User talk:Adam1213/Archive 2

Archive Full talk page on 8/11/05 + after but not things in the middle
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counter vandalism unit
How do I officaly sign up? I am not an admin but I remove vandalism  &#9786; A d a m 1213  &#9786; | talk  03:04, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * All you need to do is join #en.wikipedia.vandalism additionaly you can list your username on User:Cool Cat/Counter Vandalism Unit --Cool Cat Talk 16:15, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Please use the {test}} templates in order - don't give a "last warning" for a first offence. On an unrelated note, please use edit summaries almost all the time, and try to give a good representation of what you are changing; it helps those who patrol for new changes. -DDerby- (talk) 23:00, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Your signature
Your signature is rather, erm, eye-catching. &mdash; J I P | Talk 14:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I was about to say the same thing. Hall Monitor 16:56, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

That's a very diplomatic way of putting it, JIP. --Cel e stianpower hablamé 15:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Is there any way we could convince you to change it? It is quite distracting, and far from æsthetically pleasing.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 15:35, 15 October 2005 (UTC) I'd like to join the chorus... please change it, it's very distracting. --Ashenai (talk) 10:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Adam, you're sig is getting longer and longer. Not only does it take a lot of space and attract a lot of attention on the pages, it also takes a lot of space when someone wants to edit a page. With lots of long sigs, it becomes harder and harder to find the text you're looking for to edit. So please don't set a bad example for other (future) Wikipedians and make your sig way smaller: both in code and in appearance. Thanks! --JoanneB 16:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Please, please change it. Andre ( talk ) 17:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I concur with everyone else asking you to change it. N (t/c) 19:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Adam1213, I urge you. Your signature is way too long. Please change it. Ral 315   WS  19:41, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I'll second -- or ninth or tenth, I guess -- this comment. Your signature is absurdly long, and quite apart from the trouble it causes others when trying to edit wikitext, makes you look quite ridiculous. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:37, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I also agree. It is rediculously long and uses far too much code. It makes it hard to edit anything where you have left your signature. Having such a flashy sig doesn't exactly convince me of your maturity. - Pure  blade  | ☼ 16:04, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Me too. Plus even Jimbo commented that it is over the top . Please change it. the wub  "?!"  16:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't have a problem with the length of your signature (that'd make me a hypocrite), but it seriously hurts my eyes to look at. Please change it. a ndroid 79  16:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Please change your sig. &mdash; Davenbelle 09:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I ended up on your talk page somewhat randomly, but noticed this and thought I might comment; apologies if the intrusion isn't welcome. Anyway, one thing I've done with my signature is to put a  around it and set the span's CSS class to my username. That way, I can have my custom CSS highlight my signature just for me. So I see my sig with a nice, green background, making it easy for me to spot my comments in pages, without being distracting to other people. Just a thought! Let me know if it helps. :) &mdash; HorsePunchKid &rarr; &#x9F9C;  23:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * What a nice idea and suggestion from HorsePunchKid if the intent of your sig is for your own convenience. If however, your intent is to shout out your presence to all well, mission accomplished. --hydnjo talk 04:04, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Please don't delete comments from your talk page
Adam1213, please don't delete comments from your talk page. If you have deleted them by mistake, you should find them in the edit history and put them back. &mdash; J I P | Talk 10:27, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Please do not selectively archive and/or remove relevant comments from your talk page
I have taken the liberty of restoring all relevant comments to your talk page. Please do not delete or selectively archive them. Thank you! --Ashenai (talk) 11:33, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I will keep what I want but from now on articles are being archived see the link at the top

Short blocks
I've learnt not to block for too long. They start sending emails and spam the mailinglist. It's not worth it. Hopefully Jake will find something nicer to do, like terrorize a blog somewhere. JFW | T@lk  14:09, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Re Admin

 * Have at least 3 months of active editing and more than 1000 edits will help you alot. Becoming a member of the counter vandalism unit doesn't automaticly qualifly you for admin --JAranda | watz sup 22:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Still Little Time in my opininon. You know what If you have some good work and if you could wait until December I will nominate you for Admin Is that Ok ;). --JAranda | watz sup 23:02, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Some advice that could help you. 1/4 of your edits are on your own user page. Edit a bit less there. Do some article wrting,cleanup,removing POV more and of course revert more vandalism. And vote your opinion in AFD and that could clearly help you alot. --JAranda | watz sup 23:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


 * More advise:
 * I see you want to be an admin. Follow JAranda's suggestions and I guarantee that you will make it. Also, some editors appreciate admins who are a bit responsive. Im sure that you've read Splash's (I think) comment about about your signature. Though you do not have to change it (afterall its yours), it would show others that you appreciate and listen to their comments or concerns. If I could remember the link, Id show you, but a page here said that it would be great if you did not choose a sig that shows bigger and brighter than everyone elses on a page, its annoying or it gives the impression that you are more important. Now Im not saying that you act that way, believe me, thats not my intention, Im sure that you are a cool guy, but your signature is a bit garish. My old sig was also excessively ornamented and gaudy, and when others commented on it, I changed it quickly (not because I had to, because it shows thoughtfulness). It gave others a good impression of me. Or an   e    (t)   (c)   (@)  04:35, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I am making my signature shorter and have all ready improved it -- &#9786; A d a m 1213  &#9786;   Talk +| WWW  06:11, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Greetings from the United Federation of Planets
Hi, I have just noticed a dispute between you and several other users. I just want to tell you what I think. I am not taking sides or anything as that is not my place.

Firstly you fight vandalism well though not yet perfect but thats ok given no one is perfect. Hence there is room for improvement just like all of us.

I will be blunt below. Please do NOT take it personal, you are a valued member of the CVU and I would not want you to leave. So please dont.


 * 1) I noticed you give away test4's too easily. Giving a test1 prior to a test4 makes it easier for admins to block vandals. Think it this way, this destroys vandals ability to complain about the block.
 * 2) *This will also look beter on an RfA, which is a long process.
 * 3) *There will be trolls that want to get on your nerves just so you make a 'mistake' that will look bad on an RfA. So far I do not see any but people will want to annoy you on the sole fact that you are annoying them by reverting their vandalism.
 * 4) IRC backup. We have several people with bots backup code. It is a first come first serve thing. Generaly however the person with fastest bw gets piority as a gentlemens agreement. Reason is simply that the person running the bot sacrifices significant bandwith, for example I cannot revert pages fast enough due to my bot. Other RC patrolers using my bot beat me in it :P
 * 5) *Also catch me on IRC this weekend for an update on the code. I improved the detection algorithm quite a bit ;)
 * 6) Template deletions. I completely understand how you feel. I had made several bold atempts with the intention of improving wikipedia. I like your creations especcialy the wantadmin template. Sometimes people do not agree with you. It sucks but dont let this get personal to you. This doesnt mean they hate you.
 * 7) *I created the Template:CVIP which got deleted. There are many examples of my attempts to create something new that in my view would make wikipedia a better place. But only a few got acceptance. I still learn from my 'mistakes' as learning from mistakes is a life long experience.


 * I cannot talk for everyone, but I think you are a good editor.
 * Dont take recent events as a discouragement.
 * Learn from why something you are doing is bothering another and create something better that makes everyone happy.

Thats all i got for now. If you have any questions feel free to contact me. If you are offended from any of this my appologies in advance, know that it wasnt inteded to offend you and you may want to hear a clarrification. --Cool Cat Talk 19:36, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Please don't bite the newbies
Adam, please don't use the template on a talk page as a first warning, especially when the vandal edit was the first edit ever made from the IP address. Use the test templates in order. Please read WP:BITE. Thank you! --Ashenai (talk) 21:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

CVU Template
In regards to your message about User:Cool_Cat/CVU2-1 at User_talk:Cool_Cat, can you clarify what you mean by can't read the text? I've checked it with several browsers (Firefox/IE/Opera) and the text shows up correctly. I also checked your user page and the template appears correct there as well. What browser are you using? --Thatdog 18:28, 20 October 2005 (UTC) (No I'm not Cool Cat, but I designed the current templates...)
 * D'oh. I just figured out that you were referring to the text on the image, not the "this user is..." text.  Thatdog 19:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Page protection
From User_talk:Jimbo Wales:

There should be a page protection type that a group of users that remove vandalism a lot and admins can put on a page that lets users that are logged in only edit a page. This will help bring the ammount of vandalism down. (Signature removed because of the amount of markup it requires)


 * Adam, we rarely, if ever, protect pages except in extreme cases. Most administrators will not protect a page on request without looking very closely at the edit history, and without examining whether or not other forms of dispute resolution have been ineffective. In addition, changing whether or not anonymous users can edit is in fact a configuration issue which can only be altered by our developer team; not the admins. Who are admins to decide who can edit and who can't? We're not going to sacrifice our principles of open editing by anyone, especially not when vandalism can be dealt with rather swiftly.


 * I just thought I might explain these things here, as I know some people are rather disapproving of you already having spammed Jimbo for what they refer to as "trivial" reasons, e.g demanding adminship. Rob Church Talk 23:32, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Please do not interfere with RfAr
I'm talking about this edit. Adam, I know you mean well in everything you do, but you have got to avoid interfering with Cool Cat's arbitration judgement, which was not 100% in his favour. You cannot go around telling ArbCom what they can and can't do, or you'll very quickly find yourself blocked. Please read Arbitration Committee and understand that ArbCom have the power to impose the sort of sanctions they did, and they used it. Please, please, please avoid getting involved; you have no idea of the amount of work done by our arbitrators in reaching this settlement (which was, in fact, very lenient to all parties) and if you inject yourself into these things, according to the ArbCom policies, they can and will treat you as an affiliated party - and that may well mean a block. Rob Church Talk 21:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Back up your threat
in user talk to 64.251.53.130 you made a threat to block a vandal. The vandal attacked today's feature article. Will you make good on the threat, or was it all bark?--grubbmeister 16:01, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Your sig
Your sig:


 * &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW


 * &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW

Proposed sig:


 * &#9786; A dam1213&#9786;  Talk + | www


 * &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk + | www

Please consider switching. Thank you and all the best! --Cel e stianpower háblame 17:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

67.15.136.199
Sorry, but I had already gone to bed. Generally, I'm on IRC if I'm actively on Wikipedia (I'm not today because I'm just here for a bit, doing some "paperwork" if you will and checking on things, can't stay on long), so if I'm ever on IRC you're always welcome to ping me if you need an admin. You're still welcome to message me if I'm not, but you'll have the best luck if I am on IRC. Sorry if you were having trouble tracking someone down! Keep up the good work with the vandal-squicking! &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 18:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

er... k i was bored, but i guess ill stop

Warn
I don't feel that the page Warn should not be redirected to your user page User:Adam1213/warn. Basically because I think that new users who come to WP would see your userpage as a means to blatantly spam other users talk pages. I have changed the redirect to go to Warning for now. Thanks -- Malo 06:10, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
 * In response to your comments on my talk page; Perhaps I was too quick to judge on the use of the word "Spam". Ok, thats fine, and I don't have a problem with you using any of your own user pages, for whatever reasons.  However I just don't think it is appropiate for you to use a article page, such as Warn, to redirect to any of your userpages as it can and will most likely be confusing and misleading to other users.  -- Malo 06:28, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Vwarn
I've tagged this for speedy deletion, as it's in article space and quite clearly not an article. As an aside I can't see it's purpose, since without visting the user page you can't possibly tell which warning you need to issue. You can't tell if they've edited their talk page to remove earlier warnings etc. etc. --pgk( talk ) 16:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I've moved the utility to User:Adam1213/Vwarn. Since it's not actually an article, it can't remain in the main namespace. Carbonite | Talk 16:49, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Titoxd's RfA
Thank you for supporting me in my RfA. I never thought I would get so much support! Thanks to your help, my nomination was the 10th most supported RfA in Wikipedia history. Now, please keep an eye out on me while I learn the new tools, ok? Thanks again! Tito xd (?!?) 17:18, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

mwpush.pl
The script doesn't add content to an existing page. It will erase whatever is there before with whatever you give to it as input. Unless you use the  option, that is.

I suppose it would not be terribly hard to do this; the script could capture and store the content of the editing textarea during its first visit to the target page when it gets the wpEditToken. Then, the script would need to be further customized to do whatever altering you want it to do to the text. Actually, if all you wanted to do was do something like add a standard template to the top or add something like a category to the bottom of a page, it wouldn't be too hard to improve the script to include "prepend" and "append" options. The script would have to save the original content, then output the prepend text, the original article text, and the append text. There's a variety of ways that could be done...

Keith D. Tyler &para; 22:45, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

The page User:KeithTyler/mwpush.pl explains what it does. Read it. It will not do what you want without improvements. - Keith D. Tyler &para; 23:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

"The link on operating it goes to nowhere." What link are you talking about? As for your other questions, they are already answered on the KeithTyler/mwpush.pl page. I'm not going to write programs just for you. You need to figure it out for yourself. If you can't understand the information on that page, I really wonder how you can contribute value to the English Wikipedia. - Keith D. Tyler &para; 17:17, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Bots, automated vandalism warnings and a hell of a lot else
I'm aware that you're trying to get hold of scripts to edit Wikipedia automated or semi-automated in order to add automatic vandalism warnings. I would advise that you do not try running any bot on Wikipedia without:


 * 1) Reading WP:BOTS
 * 2) Getting permission (on that page) to trial the bot

Wikipedia policy states that the bot account will be blocked if it is caught running without permission - mass, automated, rapid changes in page content are almost always danger signs.

Adam, it seems something about our work here isn't quite clicking, with you, and I'm concerned that people are seeing you as a nuisance and a pest. That's obviously not your intention - I know you only want to fight vandals, but perhaps someone needs to explain some things to you. I see you failing to understand that consensus drives what we do here, and that spamming User_talk:Jimbo Wales with requests for what the community considers petty matters is not a good idea.

If you would like, I can try to help you - I can point out useful pages that you must read, and I can give you some practical and straightforward advice on how to improve your reputation on the wiki and how to be taken seriously. I continue to assume good faith with you because I know what you do behind the scenes, but I'm worried that some of our less understanding administrators and other users may start losing patience.

I also know that I'm not the only user worried about this - Cool Cat, Drini and Essjay are also not too happy. If you would like me to give you some general advice and keep an eye on you, and let you know when you do something a bit silly, then of course, I can do that. What do you say? Rob Church Talk 03:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd agree with Rob, I think many who have spoken to you know you are very keen to get on and help out, which is a good thing, but you'd probably be better using that enthusiasm initally to work with people and talk through ideas/problems with a few you trust. --pgk( talk ) 06:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Channel Access Removed
Jtkiefer removed access for me. I was later give a 2. Can you please fix this up? - &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 00:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Cool Cat. Just cleaned your talk up a touch at the bottom, but that ain't why I'm here. Like to point out that JTK removed Adam's access because of an inappropriate comment Adam made which, as I understand it, caused JTK to worry about Adam's understanding of IRC precedents and of Freenode's guidelines on keeping things cool.


 * Incidentally, I'm becoming worried that Adam still isn't getting it. I would love for someone to take him under their wing - hell, I'd do it myself. Can you maybe suggest to him that he needs to read up a few things and get some understanding of the wiki way into his head? If you want, refer him to me for informal mentoring or something; he's a clueless newbie who doesn't need to run into the wrong sort of trouble - we can sort it, no problems. Rob Church Talk 01:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It was a joke... and I said that it was one. I never abused the access power that I got. The only time I kicked someone was when you came on with your bot and we were getting double posts and after asking people in the room and they approved I kicked. -- &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 06:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Exactly as Robchurch said. If you would like more clarification on this you know where to find me on IRC :).  Jtkiefer  T - 01:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Here is what I think: I am not going to get involved directly. I am not going to overule any desicions made as it is not my place. However I will give adam a level 2 access as we know he is definately not a vandal. This will get him auto-voice as well. Objections? -- Cool Cat Talk 16:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It's a bit irrelevant in some ways, since the use of voicing in the channel has been changed, so admins are normally voiced. (I guess regulars would get voiced if we went moderated). Autovoice has been switched off. --pgk( talk ) 16:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

BOT
I NEED YOUR HELP!!! mIRC is running, but how do I make the alerts appear in #wikipedia-en-vandalism? If you get this message before you go back to IRC please help!!! Fir e  Fo  x  11:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Cascade Range "vandalism"
Dear Adam; I noticed your message to me, quoted here:

"This message is regarding the article Cascade Range. Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia."

I am a contributing editor to the Canadian Mountain Encyclopedia and sought to contribute to the Cascade Range, not "vandalize" it. The geographical description of the Canadian side of the range, and the Canadian perspective on its history, were missing from the article so I added them. Is Wikipedia exclusively for US content only? I grant that my verbal style is overwrought at points but I'm just trying to be complete.

Blocking me from contributing to Wikipedia will be a great loss, given the amount of new items I've added for various regions, streams and other items concerning British Columbia and its people(s).

Sincerely

Mike Cleven http://www.cayoosh.net

PS I didn't realize I wasn't logged in (I'm registered, though).

Example of incorrect information in extant Cascades Range documentation
The following is an example of the kind of error-ridden statements that were contained in the Cascade Range article; I have not yet fixed the following because apparently the Cascade Range entry is your personal turf - so it's your responsibility to make corrections. Quote:

''Another major pass was cut by the Fraser River through mainly non-volcanic rocks in the British Columbian part of the range. This group of mountains are often called the "Coast Mountains" but are in fact structurally part of the Cascades. Mount Garibaldi and its associated group of volcanoes are in this part of the range.''

Mount Garibaldi is a member of the Cascade group or family of volcanoes, but it is NOT part of the Cascade Range, nor are the Coast Mountains. Volcanic formations immediately north of Garibaldi, including the Black Tusk and Callaghan and Cayley and Meager, are NOT part of the Cascade family of volcanoes.

The only portion of the Cascade Range in Canada is to the south and east of the Fraser River, south of the Similkameen River and southwest of Merritt, and the notes I added to the Cascade Range article concerning its summits tonight are accurate and drawn from the [Canadian Mountain Encyclopedia]. See http://bivouac.com/ArxPg.asp?ArxId=1362 and http://bivouac.com/ArxPg.asp?ArxId=1694. The Coast Mountains are a distinct geographic grouping (official in Canadian geography; the term "Cascades" is used in older legal language for certain terminologies, but it has long since been abandoned by academic geographers and the general public. The term Coast Mountains stretches from the Fraser to the Takhini, i.e. Chilkoot Pass.

The Fraser River is not a "pass" but skirts the border of the range. Even if the Coast Mountains were part of the Cascade Range (which they aren't, no more than the Cascade Range are part of the Coast Mountains) the Fraser would not be a pass. A pass has a summit and divides two drainages. Go find yourself a dictionary of geographical terms somewhere before you write any new articles.

Sincerely

Mike Cleven http://www.cayoosh.net mikeclevenNO@SPAMgmail.com

It is not my turf I thought that it was vandalism but I cant find the edit history of my edit on it.... when was it.... can you send me a link for the dif... (if I see it I might have a better idea what to look for next time) sorry about the warning. Dont feal that you cant edit it. I never reveted the page anyway -- &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 07:35, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


 * If I can make a recommendation to avoid a misunderstanding in the future, Adam - don't forget to assume good faith, and start with the first template except when the user already has a history of vandalism. If you're usually good at assuming GF, forgive me for the unnecessary reminder.  --DDerby- (talk)  05:50, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Vandals
Wondering why Wikipedia allows anonymous users to contribute? Doesn't this cause a lot of unnecessary work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.108.70.18 (talk • contribs) 2005-10-28 16:52:46 (Note that this person seems to be on a little vandalising spree of his own...)


 * You may want to read Replies to common objections; this topic is more or less covered there. ;) &mdash; HorsePunchKid &rarr; &#x9F9C;  04:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Firefox extension
Would you happen to know how to make a firefox extension using Javascript? It would be very simple and used to fight vandalism. The basic idea is to feed RC diff's into firefox, and let it determine which pages contain text (such as an obscenity) listed in a file. For pages that don't contain anything on this list, the tab is closed. The others remain open and ready to be examined. If you can't figure out how to hookup the IRC RC output into firefox, then it could be used with WP:CDVF to open new tabs in firefox to be checked. I found a guide to making extensions, but it says you need to know Javascript. Thanks. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2005-10-30 03:51

How could Cool Cat's bot check the contents of a page to find common vandalisms, though? It only reads RC output. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2005-10-30 04:43


 * I'm pretty sure all it's doing is checking if the article is new, and if its filesize is huge. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2005-10-30 04:58

UserPage
Adam, thanks for voting in my RfA, you can have your award back but please do not leave comments on my Userpage, that's what talk page is for. Thanks. Babajobu 10:00, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. I do think you overreacted to my joke about being a bureacrat and having access to a "Cabal namespace". I thought it was clearly not true, so didn't anticipate that it would upset you as much as it did. Anyway, apologies for confusion, hope you continue to enjoy Wikipedia. Babajobu 10:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, first of all, I agree with your comment about Jews' aversion to killing. As you can see from AE's comments, many editors think I'm philosemitic. But I did suport the Religious persecution by Jews article because I think that all religious groupings have persecuted other groups, and that such persecutions are notable. As for your level ten rating in Wikipedia vandalism...well, if you change your vote on my RfA that's your business, not mine, but I've never even been in the Wikipedia vandalism IRC channel. How was I responsible for getting your level ten access taken away??? Babajobu 10:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, jeez, sorry about that. But what could I do, really, to make any difference now? I don't think JTKieffer really cares about what my opinion is... Babajobu 10:48, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll do that for you...but I want to make clear that I am not doing this as a quid pro quo for a change to your vote to my RfA. I'm doing it because I feel bad that you were genuinely misled by my claims to Wikipedia superpowers. I have to run but I'll leave a not with JTKieffer a little later today. Babajobu 11:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Adam, I left a note on JTKiefer's talkpage, hope that clears it up, sorry for the problems I've caused you. Regards, Babajobu 22:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

article Counter vandalism unit
Hello adam. You may notice that Counter vandalism unit was sent to Request for Deletion. The reason is that redirects shouldn't crosspace (a redirect on article space should redirect to another article, not to something into Wikipedia: namespace). I recommned you not to create these redirects since they will be ether removed or pointed to somewhere else (as Cvu did).

You can read about the policy at Redirect where it says under "When should we delete a redirect?"
 * It is a cross-space redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace.

Keep on the good work. -- ( drini's vandalproof page &#x260E;  ) 18:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

IRC
I have found the evidence of why and proof it was unfair that I have my 10 removed.

I have only put in the parts I think are relevant. If you want I can give you the entire chat history.

also know as [10:31] *** AbuJihad is now known as Babajobu.

in wikipedia-en-vandalism [10:27] Jtkiefer: because I do not have faith that you'd be willing to show restraint if you got into a situation where you felt you wanted to kick or ban someone

Note that I was banned for speaking about this. NO WARNING that i would be kicked in my opinion there is a hypocrite....

-- &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 07:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, from what I understand things got out of control. This log does not look like the en-wikipedia-vandalism log as Karynn and AngryParsley do not show up there as far as I know.
 * I have in the passed also suffered from simmilar conversations. I had an Angryparsley declare me "a bad candidate for adminship" because of a conversation with him which he explained later that he was trolling. After the incident several IRC users have 'cooled' me down a bit so that I do not do something stupid like responding to him. The only way to keep a troll of is to ignore them.
 * Best practice would be to bail out of any such discussion ops dont like. IRC isn't generaly about who is right but more about an "op makes right". Please, please dont let people anger/intimidate you; just /ignore such people.
 * Tonikaku, I gave you a level 3 access as I do not see any valid/good reason for access removal. I do not want to fork the matter as that would be the best interest of the wikipedia project.
 * I understand several people are giving you a somewhat harder time, know that all they want to achieve is an Adam1213 whom would be an example to us all. Also realise some people appear to be less friendly towards newbies and generally expect them to be perfect so they point out even minor mistakes. This can be irritating at times but should not be interpreted as them hating you.
 * -- Cool Cat Talk 23:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

One) i didnt get your first almost warning, until after all my additions were done.

two) I thought any one could add to a wikipedia article.

three) these are facts about what the apostle paul, a jew, did believe about the criteria that made one a jew or not.

and there are jews who believe Jesus to be the messiah, jews who think him a great teacher and jews who think of as a     heritic. (four) how is adding to an article vandelism (J. D. Hunt 07:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC))

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jdhunt"

did you get my response or did i forget my tilde/ (J. D. Hunt 08:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC))

1) christianity does not trace jesus to moses. And nobody jew or christian, links anybody to moses father, I'm not sure i'm following you. Jews and christians trace jewishness, originally, through the father's line to abraham. They, both also, link the messiah to king david through the father's line. so, by birth and through christ they believe they and christianity are jewish. just cause most don't believe this don't make it not true. its messiannic POV vs Treditional jews POV. (J. D. Hunt 09:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC))

Crusade or ego?
Adam, the addition of differing viewpoints do not constitute vandalism.

I am really concerned about your understanding of the Wikipedia principles, as well as your comprehension abilities. I haven't seen you contribute anything to Wikipedia except in the area of counter-vandalism, and now I really wonder about those efforts as well. It looks like even your counter-vandalism friends are concerned about your presumptuous and underinformed actions.

Are you looking to add value to Wikipedia or are you looking to be some sort of hero? Good writing and good knowledge will get you further than attacking people whose viewpoints you don't agree with. Wikipedia is not a place for vigilantism. If you would actually research into how Wikipedia works you would see that there are plenty of systems in place to deal with problems and that there is no need for you to put on a cape and rescue articles from easily-cleanable stains.

- Keith D. Tyler &para; 19:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. I mainly remove vandalism and rarly get into pov issues. I edit a bit. -- &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 06:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

im being accused of "vandalism"
Hi, i almost never use wikipedia, and i have NEVER added a single letter to any of it. Im not even signed in. i dont even know if i HAVE a sign-in. but when i came to wikipedia today to look up a musician, there was a link that said i have "messages" and then theres all these accusations of vandalism and that im going to be blocked. which i find shocking because i did nothing of the sort, and im not even 'signed in'. im really upset because it says that i 'vandalised' natalee holloway which is dispicable and insulting because i did no such thing. maybe you can help me be sending an email to bogdanawdwNOSPAMatNOSPAMaolDOTcom just take out the capital letters. i dont need robots stealing my ID since imaginary robots are also apparently vandalising wikipedia under my name i didnt even know i owned. thanks.

RE: My RfA
Well, the nomination records are here. As you can see, if my RfA is successful then I will probably appear on that list somewhere, but no-where near the top. As for bureaucratship, I doub't I'll even be ready myself in a year, but it is a nice thought! Fir e  Fo  x  (RFA) 17:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

IRC/CVU issue
[03:23:57]  all I want done is for him to drop the issue, to forget about ops and to continue like normal [03:24:13]  can I copy that last line to his talk page? [03:24:29] <Jtkiefer> yeah, sure

Jtkiefer, says he is ready to forget about this given you agree to forget about it.

You may feel the need to seek "justice", however it probably is in the best interest of wikipedia to drop the issue. IIRC you do not seek some sort of punishment for Jtkiefer so I also feel you want to be left alone and be able to fight vandalism in the channel w/o interference.

I say lets forget about the issue and deal with vandalism. This conflict only benefits vandals as it distracts us (you, Jtkiefer, me and anybody else involved) to some extent to focus on the big picture.

-- Cool Cat Talk 01:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by IIRC

I dont really get some of what you said on my talk page but thanks for your message. -- &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 05:38, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the confusion let me explain/summarise. I just feel you want a truce as much as he does. This matter as I see it can only be settled if forgotten.
 * IIRC stands for If I Recall Correctly. Just annother annoying irc abv. :) -- Cool Cat Talk 12:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat/iwarn
Ok this time i need your help. Can you convert the on that template to teh good ol ~ ? thanks :) -- Cool Cat Talk 14:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

re: nomination records
I stopped putting in numbers a couple of months ago because it is a major chore to update them as this table gets bigger. The only wiki code markup code that generates numbers automatically are numbered lists and unamed links like, which would mean getting rid of the table and reformatting the data to a list. But if you are willing to do update it yourself on a regular basis... Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Numbered lists (using # ) will not work unless I remove the table formatting and I put it into a list. But I prefer the table because it seperates the data into columns that are easy to read. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Impersonator
Cooool! Too bad he didn't make any edits; so I can't be 100% sure he wanted to do vandalism with my name. Thanks for the heads up! - RoyBoy 800 03:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your invitation
But you've come too late. Counter_Vandalism_Unit -> #46 currently. jnothman talk 14:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

RE: user with same nick almost
Yup. I created my account using the name "FireFox" because that basically is who I am on the internet, always with two capital F's. At the time, I didn't know that User:Firefox existed, but that came to my attention when I tried experimenting to signatures and my links took me to the wrong place... I realised at the time that it may cause some confusion in the future, but he isn't a very active user at all so it shouldn't do any harm. Fir e  Fo  x  18:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Do you mean like making it clear that we are different users? Fir  e  Fo  x  18:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I don't think of it as a major problem. Many people if they wanted to leave me a message would go via my signature (which has the correct link), and those who don't would soon realise that User:Firefox is not me. There is not much chance in getting a response from him any time soon anyway, he hasn't been active for nearly a month. Fir  e  Fo  x  18:14, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

irc ban
well as one of the "directors" I guess it's my duty to help solving this. I'm in the middle of a travel until next week so I'll see what I can do today as my net access is very limited. HOWEVER keep this in mind and repeat this 100 times to yourself:

IRC access (actually ANYTHING IRC) carries no relationship with Wikipedia (website) status

so even if you don't get your voice or status back (which it's unlikely I think, although most probably you'll be able to rejoin), remember that "being a CVU" means only that, it doesn't mean you get access or you get IRC priviledges. So please stop bugging people off or next time I won't be able to intercede by you, and the converse is true also: you not having IRC access doesn't mean you're a worse or lesser contributor to wikipedia -- ( drini's vandalproof page  &#x260E;  ) 11:02, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it seems you're out of luck for a month. But repeat the mantra I gave you so in the future you avoid this problem:

 IRC stuff (status, etc) has no correlation with Wikipedia stuff (Status, etc)  -- ( drini's vandalproof page &#x260E;  ) 12:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

100th member?
Re: your message on my talk page: Join what? I have no idea what you're talking about. Dismas|(talk) 08:41, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

.
with your office page what does it mean if a user has a bat next to them (you should have it writen below) --  A dam1213  Talk +  12:25, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry I dont quite understand what are you trying to ask. :) -- Cool Cat Talk 15:51, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I havent used my office for ages, I made minor cleanups but havent quite used it, since I dont edit article namespace much anymore. -- Cool Cat Talk 16:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh I see what you mean. the images on my contacts thing are mental notes. I like to be able to quicckly look up who CVU members/admins and other people I may need rapid comunication with. Regarding the bat image, take a look at: Goddess Relief Office. -- Cool Cat Talk 16:47, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

About archiving
Yes, you can archive topics from your talk page and have the archive in order. I would only prefer if you put the oldest topics in your talk page in the archive, so that you would not leave any gaps in the time order of the topics. Just select some of the oldest topics on your talk page and put them in the archive. I would wish that you do not, however, archive a newer topic and leave an older topic in your talk page. It is confusing. &mdash; J I P | Talk 06:55, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Please don't delete comments from your talk page
Adam1213, please don't delete comments from your talk page. If you have deleted them by mistake, you should find them in the edit history and put them back. &mdash; J I P | Talk 10:27, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

About archiving
Yes, you can archive topics from your talk page and have the archive in order. I would only prefer if you put the oldest topics in your talk page in the archive, so that you would not leave any gaps in the time order of the topics. Just select some of the oldest topics on your talk page and put them in the archive. I would wish that you do not, however, archive a newer topic and leave an older topic in your talk page. It is confusing. &mdash; J I P | Talk 06:55, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Fir e Fo  x  RFA
 

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks! Fir e  Fo  x  18:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

office
I am one of the 4* people on your office page that is not an admin... Thanks for putting me on it. --  A dam1213  Talk +  06:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actualy a good protion of the people were not admins when I /put them among contacts/met them. :) -- Cool Cat Talk 06:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Can you help me with my user page. I want the background of my links table to be the same colour as your cheatsheet border on your office page. (the gold colour...) also to make the table a little wider. You did I great job last time you helped with my user page so I thought you could do a great job again... --  A dam1213  Talk +  07:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I will gladly help however, I am about to zoom out, I'll get back to you on the first opertunity :) -- Cool Cat Talk 07:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Adam1213/warn
Hi, I just noticed this. Impresive! :) -- Cool Cat Talk 11:38, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Very much for your kind support of my adminship. I'll do my best to live up to your and my other supporters' expectations. If you have any comments or concerns on my actions as an administrator, please let me know. Thank you! — MC MasterChef :: Leave a tip — 14:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

RE
Thanks for your comment and for helping me with my user page. --  A dam1213  Talk +  06:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Can we graph the number of members for CVU? --  A dam1213  Talk +  07:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * We can, but number of members should not be made a big deal in my view. We, the CVU, kick ass, no need to graph it. :) -- Cool Cat Talk 10:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Just wondering something
why did you protect the sanbox (I think you did it...)? --  A dam1213  Talk +  06:15, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * No, I didn't. Check the logs. Someone else did, I only added the tag. --cesarb 14:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Bots, automated vandalism warnings and a hell of a lot else
I'm aware that you're trying to get hold of scripts to edit Wikipedia automated or semi-automated in order to add automatic vandalism warnings. I would advise that you do not try running any bot on Wikipedia without:


 * 1) Reading WP:BOTS
 * 2) Getting permission (on that page) to trial the bot

Wikipedia policy states that the bot account will be blocked if it is caught running without permission - mass, automated, rapid changes in page content are almost always danger signs.

Adam, it seems something about our work here isn't quite clicking, with you, and I'm concerned that people are seeing you as a nuisance and a pest. That's obviously not your intention - I know you only want to fight vandals, but perhaps someone needs to explain some things to you. I see you failing to understand that consensus drives what we do here, and that spamming User_talk:Jimbo Wales with requests for what the community considers petty matters is not a good idea.

If you would like, I can try to help you - I can point out useful pages that you must read, and I can give you some practical and straightforward advice on how to improve your reputation on the wiki and how to be taken seriously. I continue to assume good faith with you because I know what you do behind the scenes, but I'm worried that some of our less understanding administrators and other users may start losing patience.

I also know that I'm not the only user worried about this - Cool Cat, Drini and Essjay are also not too happy. If you would like me to give you some general advice and keep an eye on you, and let you know when you do something a bit silly, then of course, I can do that. What do you say? Rob Church Talk 03:39, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd agree with Rob, I think many who have spoken to you know you are very keen to get on and help out, which is a good thing, but you'd probably be better using that enthusiasm initally to work with people and talk through ideas/problems with a few you trust. --pgk( talk ) 06:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I did not spam Jimbo's talk page!!! If your definition of spam is ask a one line question you just spammed by talk page 3 times. (I dont think you looked your self at it) --   A dam1213  Talk +  16:07, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Channel Access Removed
Jtkiefer removed access for me. I was later give a 2. Can you please fix this up? - &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 00:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi Cool Cat. Just cleaned your talk up a touch at the bottom, but that ain't why I'm here. Like to point out that JTK removed Adam's access because of an inappropriate comment Adam made which, as I understand it, caused JTK to worry about Adam's understanding of IRC precedents and of Freenode's guidelines on keeping things cool.


 * Incidentally, I'm becoming worried that Adam still isn't getting it. I would love for someone to take him under their wing - hell, I'd do it myself. Can you maybe suggest to him that he needs to read up a few things and get some understanding of the wiki way into his head? If you want, refer him to me for informal mentoring or something; he's a clueless newbie who doesn't need to run into the wrong sort of trouble - we can sort it, no problems. Rob Church Talk 01:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It was a joke... and I said that it was one. I never abused the access power that I got. The only time I kicked someone was when you came on with your bot and we were getting double posts and after asking people in the room and they approved I kicked. -- &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 06:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Exactly as Robchurch said. If you would like more clarification on this you know where to find me on IRC :).  Jtkiefer  T - 01:40, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Here is what I think: I am not going to get involved directly. I am not going to overule any desicions made as it is not my place. However I will give adam a level 2 access as we know he is definately not a vandal. This will get him auto-voice as well. Objections? -- Cool Cat Talk 16:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * It's a bit irrelevant in some ways, since the use of voicing in the channel has been changed, so admins are normally voiced. (I guess regulars would get voiced if we went moderated). Autovoice has been switched off. --pgk( talk ) 16:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

BOT
<BIG>I NEED YOUR HELP!!!</BIG> mIRC is running, but how do I make the alerts appear in #wikipedia-en-vandalism? If you get this message before you go back to IRC please help!!! Fir e  Fo  x  11:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

article Counter vandalism unit
Hello adam. You may notice that Counter vandalism unit was sent to Request for Deletion. The reason is that redirects shouldn't crosspace (a redirect on article space should redirect to another article, not to something into Wikipedia: namespace). I recommned you not to create these redirects since they will be ether removed or pointed to somewhere else (as Cvu did).

You can read about the policy at Redirect where it says under "When should we delete a redirect?"
 * It is a cross-space redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace.

Keep on the good work. -- ( drini's vandalproof page &#x260E;  ) 18:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

IRC
I have found the evidence of why and proof it was unfair that I have my 10 removed.

I have only put in the parts I think are relevant. If you want I can give you the entire chat history.

also know as [10:31] *** AbuJihad is now known as Babajobu.

in wikipedia-en-vandalism [10:27] Jtkiefer: because I do not have faith that you'd be willing to show restraint if you got into a situation where you felt you wanted to kick or ban someone

Note that I was banned for speaking about this. NO WARNING that i would be kicked in my opinion there is a hypocrite....

-- &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 07:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, from what I understand things got out of control. This log does not look like the en-wikipedia-vandalism log as Karynn and AngryParsley do not show up there as far as I know.
 * I have in the passed also suffered from simmilar conversations. I had an Angryparsley declare me "a bad candidate for adminship" because of a conversation with him which he explained later that he was trolling. After the incident several IRC users have 'cooled' me down a bit so that I do not do something stupid like responding to him. The only way to keep a troll of is to ignore them.
 * Best practice would be to bail out of any such discussion ops dont like. IRC isn't generaly about who is right but more about an "op makes right". Please, please dont let people anger/intimidate you; just /ignore such people.
 * Tonikaku, I gave you a level 3 access as I do not see any valid/good reason for access removal. I do not want to fork the matter as that would be the best interest of the wikipedia project.
 * I understand several people are giving you a somewhat harder time, know that all they want to achieve is an Adam1213 whom would be an example to us all. Also realise some people appear to be less friendly towards newbies and generally expect them to be perfect so they point out even minor mistakes. This can be irritating at times but should not be interpreted as them hating you.
 * -- Cool Cat Talk 23:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

RE: My RfA
Well, the nomination records are here. As you can see, if my RfA is successful then I will probably appear on that list somewhere, but no-where near the top. As for bureaucratship, I doub't I'll even be ready myself in a year, but it is a nice thought! Fir e  Fo  x  (RFA) 17:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

IRC/CVU issue
[03:23:57] <Jtkiefer> all I want done is for him to drop the issue, to forget about ops and to continue like normal [03:24:13] <Cool_Cat> can I copy that last line to his talk page? [03:24:29] <Jtkiefer> yeah, sure

Jtkiefer, says he is ready to forget about this given you agree to forget about it.

You may feel the need to seek "justice", however it probably is in the best interest of wikipedia to drop the issue. IIRC you do not seek some sort of punishment for Jtkiefer so I also feel you want to be left alone and be able to fight vandalism in the channel w/o interference.

I say lets forget about the issue and deal with vandalism. This conflict only benefits vandals as it distracts us (you, Jtkiefer, me and anybody else involved) to some extent to focus on the big picture.

-- Cool Cat Talk 01:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by IIRC

I dont really get some of what you said on my talk page but thanks for your message. -- &#9786; A dam1213&#9786; Talk+|WWW 05:38, 3 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the confusion let me explain/summarise. I just feel you want a truce as much as he does. This matter as I see it can only be settled if forgotten.
 * IIRC stands for If I Recall Correctly. Just annother annoying irc abv. :) -- Cool Cat Talk 12:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat/iwarn
Ok this time i need your help. Can you convert the on that template to teh good ol ~ ? thanks :) -- Cool Cat Talk 14:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

irc ban
well as one of the "directors" I guess it's my duty to help solving this. I'm in the middle of a travel until next week so I'll see what I can do today as my net access is very limited. HOWEVER keep this in mind and repeat this 100 times to yourself:

IRC access (actually ANYTHING IRC) carries no relationship with Wikipedia (website) status

so even if you don't get your voice or status back (which it's unlikely I think, although most probably you'll be able to rejoin), remember that "being a CVU" means only that, it doesn't mean you get access or you get IRC priviledges. So please stop bugging people off or next time I won't be able to intercede by you, and the converse is true also: you not having IRC access doesn't mean you're a worse or lesser contributor to wikipedia -- ( drini's vandalproof page  &#x260E;  ) 11:02, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it seems you're out of luck for a month. But repeat the mantra I gave you so in the future you avoid this problem:

 IRC stuff (status, etc) has no correlation with Wikipedia stuff (Status, etc)  -- ( drini's vandalproof page &#x260E;  ) 12:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually due to it may be much longer than that.  The deal was (I assume you were informed of this by Essjay or one of the others) that you would be unbanned after 30 days only if you entirely dropped the issue, since you have not the ban will most likely stay on longer.  Jtkiefer  T - 21:20, 11 November 2005 (UTC)  Jtkiefer  T - 21:20, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Fir e Fo  x  RFA
 

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (96/2/0), so I am now an administrator. If you ever have any queries about my actions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Again, thanks! Fir e  Fo  x  18:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

office
I am one of the 4* people on your office page that is not an admin... Thanks for putting me on it. --  A dam1213  Talk +  06:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Actualy a good protion of the people were not admins when I /put them among contacts/met them. :) -- Cool Cat Talk 06:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Can you help me with my user page. I want the background of my links table to be the same colour as your cheatsheet border on your office page. (the gold colour...) also to make the table a little wider. You did I great job last time you helped with my user page so I thought you could do a great job again... --  A dam1213  Talk +  07:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I will gladly help however, I am about to zoom out, I'll get back to you on the first opertunity :) -- Cool Cat Talk 07:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Adam1213/warn
Hi, I just noticed this. Impresive! :) -- Cool Cat Talk 11:38, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
Very much for your kind support of my adminship. I'll do my best to live up to your and my other supporters' expectations. If you have any comments or concerns on my actions as an administrator, please let me know. Thank you! — MC MasterChef :: Leave a tip — 14:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

RE
Thanks for your comment and for helping me with my user page. --  A dam1213  Talk +  06:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Can we graph the number of members for CVU? --  A dam1213  Talk +  07:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * We can, but number of members should not be made a big deal in my view. We, the CVU, kick ass, no need to graph it. :) -- Cool Cat Talk 10:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

The Exceptional Newcomer Award
The Exceptional Newcomer Award may be awarded to newcomers who display exceptional enthusiasm, skill, and boldness beyond their experience.

I think you have more than deserved this. -- Cool Cat Talk 17:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

your sig
just wanted to let you know that since HTML tidy is disabled (see:Village_pump_%28technical%29 your sig is breaking and causing massive problems, please either fix the HTML in your sig or replace with just your nick until this is fixed. Jtkiefer  T - 23:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikirevolution
Adam, we are wikiproles, we must seize the instruments of production from the administrator class, rather than seek to join them. The moment we seek adminship, the moment we crave wikipower rather than wikijustice, the battle has already been lost. Cultivate wikiclass consciousness. After the wikirevolution everything will be good and wiki will have no more problems. Babajobu 08:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Babajobu: Would wikimedia foundation pay me 100 US Gs per year to be on full-time vandal patrol? Adam1213: I really don't think so Mike_H: haha Babajobu: Adam1213, it's not up to you, dammit Adam1213: Would wikimedia foundation pay me with Adminship and later buractratship for full-time vandal patrol? Babajobu: Adam1213, you're a traitor to your class. Babajobu: Adam1213, we are wikiproles, we must seek to seize the instruments of wealth creation from the capitalist class, rather than to join them

--  A dam1213 Talk + 08:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

RE: Suggestion
Regarding your suggestion to place those templates on my user page, thanks but no thanks. I would prefer to not clutter up my user page with template boxes like that, and it is already explained on the page about HTML and JavaScript. Also, you placing the actual templates on my talk page was putting my talk page into all their respective categories amongst other users with the templates on their user page. My page in the User_talk namespace in those categories were not what the templates were meant to be used for.

Additionally, I would also not like to use your AutoIt template which has neither been peer reviewed nor accepted by anyone. -- Daverocks 12:03, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I could have, but I wanted to explain to people reading my talk page what your original message was. By the way, if you're attempting to chat to me now, I'll just let you know that I'm getting off now, so I might not respond to your future messages. -- Daverocks 12:12, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hi Adam1213, Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know! Regards, Joann e B 13:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the award. I finaly have an award!!! --  A dam1213  Talk +  01:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Do realise best editors often don't get the recognition they deserve as everyone knows how notable they are. Few people will doubt David Gerards role in vandal fighting, yet noone rains him barnstars. ;) -- Cool CatTalk 16:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Hmm
I see you have lots of people thanking you, this is a clearly a good sign, whatever you were doing, keep up the good work :) -- Cool CatTalk 17:11, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

My Userpage
No real reason I've never done anything with it, just never really figured out what I'd want on it, also I realise it's likely to get vandalised so I haven't wanted to invest much emotional effort into it. Thanks --pgk( talk ) 17:40, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Quadrilaterals/Parallelograms
I nominated this category which you created for deletion. A parallelogram is a quadrilateral anyway, so this category is not helpful. And I would disagree with creating Category:Parallelograms, there is not much you can put in there. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 20:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
 * And one remark. The "Leave a new message" thing at the top of this page is a bit confusing to others I think (and not so funny). Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 20:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

NSW machine gun
Regarding this diff, I left New South Wales bolded but reinserted the link to NSW machine gun. Many Wikipedia articles (including featured articles) have "dead" links like these, but they are kept there deliberately even though they are dead, to encourage someone to create an article there. -- Daverocks 12:12, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

70.177.113.88 23:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC) Sorry for vandalising the runescape and Ceasar page I didn't know that the changes made were actually real. I thought the original pages were kept and edited some kind of preview. Just didn't expect real editing to be allowed so freely online. I'm very surprised. Again thanks and sorry.

U smell like a rat ctcher?
hey! don't bluff me - I can edit or add-to-it it anytime I wanna, so U can delete again!At least I give U some credits to win some pts, be thankful!165.21.154.108 00:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Blocked IP for 12 hours. Cheers. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 02:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

about user 202.58.85.8
Sorry to bother you but this vandal user is casting oppose votes on at least 2 more rfa,s and I saw where you struck out it's vote. Can you strike those out also because I'm thinking it maybe needs an admin to do it.-- Dak ota   t    e  07:35, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
when the yet come comes you can count on me. Thanks for the help.

Signing
Sorry I forgot, usually don't forget, will remember this time. Thanks.-- Dak ota   t    e  09:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Early RFA thanks
Hi , Thank you very much for your support on my RfA. It has done very well and is currently at 67/0/2. As such, I am posting this in advance of its closure. If I can ever help with anything or if you have any comments about my actions as an admin, please let me know. Thank you once again! – NSLE  ( T + C + CVU ) 06:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

My failed RFA :)
Dear Adam1213, I would like to thank you for supporting me on my RfA. Even though it failed with a with the final tally of 55/22/6, I want to thank you anyways. I don't want to be one a admin anymore until I reach 10,000 edits now that it's over with. Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 03:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

bot
Your bot has stopped working and I have a really old version where can I get the new one and can you restart yours and add in something so that if in 5 mins the ammount of suspected vandalism has not changed it will respond to computer restart (checking that you said its nickname) --  A dam1213 Talk + 04:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I rebooted the bot, although I suspect ıt started working prior. I'll add that to the thıngs to do. Realise that wikipedia does die and when that happens I do not want the bot to restart. So this will be some hard core programming. -- Cool CatTalk 11:25, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Pathoschild's successful RfA
Thanks a lot for your Not That Strong Support on my request for adminship; it passed with 23/0/0 (plus one duplicate support and an oppose from a vandal IP). I'll do my best to exceed everyone's expectations. ;) // Pathoschild 19:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

deletion
I was trying to delete the 'contemporary thesis...' section. The reason is this: I created that section about two weeks ago, and since then it has been completely changed wherein it only lists two theories of time as being contemporary theories of time, which is of course completely inaccurate. Also, the page does not mention presentism, one of the most widely discussed theories, instead it only mentioned 'eternalism', equating it with the A-theory of time, which is extremely dubious.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.98.199 (talk • contribs) 10:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

access list for wikipedia-en-cvu with 45
Hi, thanks, but what is "access list for wikipedia-en-cvu with 45", I'm assuming it's access to give commands to the bot, but how do I actually use it? --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€  05:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response in the channel. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€  05:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Cheating links
Why are you censoring all cheating info from my additions to Runescape entry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.216.108.165 (talk • contribs) 64.216.108.165(UTC)

revert-bug
Are you using a Javascript tool for reverting? It doesn't work correctly:. --Pjacobi 12:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree.. See 555 timer IC for another example.  Pfalstad 14:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

numbers list on WP:CVU
if the numbers were only removed to fix up the edit sections I would like them back once we have a way of not having the problem and the numbers. And I know just where we can get someone that can fix it Village pump (technical) Also on CVU talk page --  A dam1213 Talk [/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Adam1213&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new +] 12:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * You are correct, funcionality comes before looking beultiful. I do not like the removal of the counter as well but currently I do not have an option. :(
 * And yes this is a bug (or a feature wikimedia software lacks). Once someone comes up with a way around it, I am more than willing to put the numbers back in. :) -- Cool CatTalk 14:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Your sig
Hello: your sig's HTML tags aren't closed. Please add  to the end of your sig, which should fix the problem. If you get a message saying that the tags are still invalid, check again and take a look at WP:SIGHELP. Thanks, Blackcap (talk) (vandalfighters, take a look) 22:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry, never mind: I had accidentally split it when I replied. Never mind, your sig's fine. Blackcap (talk) (vandalfighters, take a look) 22:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Semi-protection policy
Could you please clarify your vote here? It's not too clear what you mean. Thanks, Blackcap (talk) (vandalfighters, take a look) 22:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections
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Barnstar!
Thank you! It really was one of those "standing in front of a firehose with only an old umbrella" moments... Dan100 (Talk) 17:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

RE: email user on your user page
Not necessary. If people want to email me, they can do it the same way using the "E-mail this user" link on the sidebar. -- Daverocks 02:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Bot down
The bot is down and I still onl have a really old version of it to run. --  A dam1213 Talk [/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Adam1213&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new +] 13:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I see. Drini has the updated version, I have no access to IRC or the computer the bot runs on. I'll look into this this weekend and the bot should be able to "fix" itself meanwhile. -- Cool CatTalk 13:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

bot
I don't know about mirc programming but in most programming languages reading or writing to files takes a while and uses CPU. I think that the bot does this. if it had the files contence as variables instead of reading files all the time it could go much faster and use less cpu --  A dam1213 Talk [/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Adam1213&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new +] 06:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Somewhat true, reading from the hard-drive uses more CPU but not all that much. Just a few extra instruction exchange in different levels of memory (including system bus) and of course there is the delay due to hard drive read lag. However, in practice that isn't all that much infact all of it does not even take a second.
 * Keeping track of wikipedia requires quite a lot of RAM if you try to keep everything in memory. Just the list of IPs can suck up all the ram like there is no tomorow. The bot currently does not compare a given IP edit to all of the IP's stored. It follows a makeshift binary search tree model reading from a sorted system of folders and files (over several thousand files just for IPs. The bot does not even read admin lists, blacklisted pages if a minor edit is made by a user (NullC's bot covers sneaky vandalism so I dont worry about that as it requires direct access to wikipedia servers which I lack and NullC does not).
 * Also the now 700+ lines of admin lists would not fit in a single memory variable on mirc which at most holds 1000 characters. Anything above is delcared an overflow and is ignored. A lot of admin usernames have a decent lenght. So it would take a number of variables just to take care of that. Since the start of the bots lifespan we had about 200 new admins. The growing list will require more and more variables which is increasingly harder to implement and keep track of compared to overwriting a single file.
 * These are few of the many problems why I am hesitant to dump it all to memory.
 * The primary reason of bots speed is because of my very very slow internet connection. I am yet to convince Brion/Tim to allow me to host the bot on the wikipedia servers which would make the bot reliable however would also make it hard to update.
 * -- Cool CatTalk 09:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

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Thank you!
'''Thanks for voting on my RfA! The final result was (36/1/2), so I'm now an administrator! You're really cool, man, and you always try your hardest at everything you do here. I admire that. Mo0 [ talk ] 06:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)'''

'''Thanks for voting on my RfA! The final result was (36/1/1), so I'm now an administrator! Now we must make you an admin :)''' Shanel 07:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Math joke (kind of)
31 Oct == 25 Dec

Gam3 22:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

coffee
Ah, yes, that's the first time I've ever done that. LOL. Always click on the right "block" button. Antandrus (talk) 16:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)