User talk:Adamparadoski

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Abilene Cooper HS
I want to commend you on the work you have begun on this article, and offer some tips to help to insure edits to the article conform to the wikipedian guidelines. I see that you have used yourself as a reference for much of the material in your latest edits, which is not allowed at wikipedia. Only published references are allowed, and editors cannot personally act as a reference by vouching for the statements in the articles. That would be one form of what wikipedia terms "original research", or WP:OR, which is strictly forbidden at wikipedia. The Welcome Message gives links to important guidelines at wikipedia, but these might be most helpful to start with since so much work is already underway in the article. It would be a shame see it go too far afield of the guidelines and have to see much of it come undone because it doesn't conform. Five_pillars is the key, and WP:Attribution gives further explanation of what is required for verification of the facts given in articles. Also, editors are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves in articles either. Good luck! Professor marginalia 21:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hiya Adamparadoski!

First, let me say that I think it is great to encounter a passionate editor. I very much appreciate that you want to help craft a great article about this school. Please except from me that in making the deletions that I made, I was trying to do the same. I don't think that I can match your passion on this, but believe that I only want the best, as guided by the guidelines set forth by Wikipedia.

I would like to offer some advice:

1. It sounds like you have a small army scouring for sources. That's great! I know that for articles on schools that this is difficult. I would recommend that you head over to Talk:Cooper High School (Abilene, Texas) and put up a message that there is an effort underway to do this. This should let conscientous editors from making deletions too quickly.

2. I just want to throw this out there:  I know there are things that may be much beloved about your school;  may be very important about your school, but that many editors would not feel are either encyclopedic, or that would be unique enough about your school. It seems that you have been reading through the guidelines and such, but I need to tell you that some of these guidelines are open to some interpretation, and cna be brought before arbitration if there is a difference of opinion. It does not always go the way you want. I just say that because I have had my share of edits shot down because of a difference of opinion, even though I thought I was following policy.

3. I would suggest that you contact the folks at WikiProject Schools and have them do a more recent assesment of the article, and get a third party, experienced set of suggestions  You might also consdier an assessment by the folks at WikiProject Texas. The people at Wikischools have given me very good advice in terms of what direction to go in for an article (what to add, what to take out, etc). Generally, if the folks in a project give a thumbs up on something, editors will leave it be.

Best of luck to you. I hope the article turns out well. LonelyBeacon 22:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your words of encourgament. As you can see, this article is about a high school that actually works. I understand the need for published authority in the context of science or philosophy articles, but the very nature of an article about a school does not lend itself to peer review authority.

Strict reading of the Wiki rules seemss to set up a no-win situation - an article will be tagged as too brief but if additions are made that are factual and not controverted but are not based on published sources, they could be removed. However, I noticed some wiggle room in the talk page about Attribution.

Many alumni are interested in this article and they are digging for information and sources. I hope we will be allowed some time to comply.Adamparadoski 22:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You may find WP:V helpful. Xiner (talk, email) 22:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. Please state your question, then replace the helpme tag on your user talk page. Thanks. Xiner (talk, email) 22:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, you have time. It's not a no-win, but it is more of a challenge to find sources for articles like this.  You're right, of course.  Peer reviewed authorities are seldom needed for facts of this nature.  But I believe consensus has been reached in other articles about high schools that when used with good judgement, school newspapers and yearbooks can often be used as reference sources, especially for uncontroversial issues.  I will try to find some of those discussions.  Perhaps some of them can be helpful in this case for aiming in certain directions for sources.  Maybe a helpme volunteer can give advice also.  I think things are off to a very promising start, and the work spent totally wikifying an article and bring it up to encyclopedia standards can make the article a very enjoyable and interesting project.  I have found digging up hard to find sources really fun myself, though I don't have many opportunities.  And you might enjoy finding good photos you can add as well.  Good luck.Professor marginalia 17:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

forest Park High School
all the same applies. I just removed a speedy notice, but unless you fix it up and and some refs. from outside the school, it will probably be nominated for deletion. But dont go overboard in detail. And check wiki formatting in other articles to see how to do section headings. Avoid FULL CAPS LIKE THIS. Good luck with it. DGG 07:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

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