User talk:Adancing

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Not to discourage you
Hi there, and welcome to Wikipedia. I really don't want to discourage you. I assume you mean well with your edits. However, from a quick glimpse at the edits you've made it seems much of them is inappropriate for Wikipedia. Some of the major issues are: These are also other issues with not adhering to the manual of style but these can be handled once the text is well sourced. For now I only reverted the edits to Dali (album). Don't worry, the material is not lost, and you can still access it easily from the article history. Feel free to return to the old text, once sources are cited. I am not going to revert all the other articles immediately, but I am going to remove the images as we can't keep showing images that are against this policy. In a few days, if you do not add citations to the text I will probably have to revert that too. I hope you understand that this is nothing personal and that following policies and guidelines is required. Feel free to ask any questions, right here at your talk page, and I will be very happy to assist. Best regards, and I hope this does not discourage you from continuing to contribute to Wikipedia. --Muhandes (talk) 06:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a complete lack of sources. The verification policy requires that material be verifiable. You need to add inline citations to reliable sources verifying all the information you add.
 * All the images you add lack a non-free use rationale. Tagging them as covers is not enough. However, don't hurry to do that because,
 * Unfortunately, according to The policy for non-free image use in lists, non-free images should not be used in lists.
 * There is a repeating neutrality problem. Wikipedia articles should keep a neutral point of view. Sentences like "this is one of the best songs on the album" represent your personal opinion and should not be used. Stick to facts.

Addendum: below are some boilerplate notices about the incorrect image usage. Rather than repeat these notices for each and every image, I am going to list all images this applies to. --Muhandes (talk) 06:33, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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Other images
The above notices also apply to: --Muhandes (talk) 06:48, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Sara sara.jpg
 * File:Kalimba de luna.jpg
 * File:Pour te dire je t'aime.png
 * File:Worte.jpg
 * File:Reviens moi.png
 * File:Pour en arriver la.jpg
 * File:Le temps d'aimer.png
 * File:Parce que je ne t'aime plus.png
 * File:Sixieme jour.png
 * File:Le lambeth walk.png
 * File:Helwa ya baladi.png
 * File:Problemorama.png
 * File:Laissez moi monday tuesday.png
 * File:Mourir sur scene.png
 * File:Femme smile.png
 * File:Buena sera.jpg
 * File:Am tag als de.jpg
 * File:Confidences.png
 * File:Quand je n'aime plus.png
 * File:Danza.png
 * File:Si la france.png
 * File:La chanson du mundial.png
 * File:Chanteur des annees 80.png
 * File:Fini la comedie.png
 * File:Il pleut sur bruxelles.png
 * File:Americana 81.png
 * File:Il faut danser reggae.png
 * File:Gigi in paradisco.png
 * File:Rio do brasil 80.png

User talk:Muhandes
Dear Muhandes,

Thanks for helping me out as I am very knew to writing in Wikipedia.

First of all, I added sources to information in my album and singles descriptions for Dalida. Soucre information I've added are all under external links where each link contains biographies and award lists etc. from which i extracted the information I need and inserted into each single and album I described. Is it enough? Shall I put small references next to each phrase in my description text? Please check back these pages and let me know if this is enough.

Concerning the covers of singles that you removed, I am a little confused, how is that all other artists covers are available on wikipedia from Kylie minogue to Madonna and the single covers of Dalida are not allowed to be put on wikipedia? Doesn't the Dalida single covers follow the same policy as any other artists single covers available on wiki? How come Dalida's album covers are still ok to be shown on wiki and the single covers are not? Please let me know how to remedy to this situation because i'm kind of lost with all the policies available.

Thank you!

(ALAO)
 * I'm afraid it takes some time to get accustomed to all the policies, but I'm here to help.
 * Starting with sources, I'm afraid what you added is against the policy for external links, specifically what not to put as external link, so I will have to revert them. What you need to do is add inline citations stating where exactly each piece of information can be found. It is not enough to say "in this book" you need to give the page. It is not enough to say "on this website" you need to say where exactly in the website each fact comes from. If this is not clear, let me know for one fact where you took it from and I will demonstrate.
 * Regarding the covers, consensus is that you can only use a single cover on the article for the single, just like you can only use the album cover on the album's article. not on the artist's article or the discography. this is no different than any other cover in Wikipedia, you will not find single covers on album articles, except in some rare cases where the cover itself is critically discussed in the article. But don't rush to create articles for the singles, they need to follow the notability for songs guideline. If they do, by all means, create an article for the single and add the cover. --Muhandes (talk) 07:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Some additional notes. Since there are no quote on each album in Wikiquote, please do not put the Wikiquote template. Since there are images about each album in the commons, please do not put the commons template. Each article is about the album, and only the album. Everything which is not directly connected should not appear there. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 07:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've applied all that you requested from me above to the following page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigi_in_Paradisco

Could you please check if the citations and references are enough and in good order?
 * If its the case then I can move on to the other album pages and adapt them accordingly. Once that heavy task over then I'll check the single pages and how to create and edit them.
 * I will be waiting for your feedback. Thanks a lot for your help and patience!

Best Regards. --adancing (talk) 09:53, 4 October 2011
 * Mostly it is well done. However, and again I hope I am not discouraging you as you do seem to be capable of making good contributions, there is a very serious problem, which is wrong claims of verification. Let me demonstrate. There is a sentence "The song was a big hit in France charting in the Top 10 and eventually winning her another Gold certification" and the source given is this page. I look at this page and I don't see where it is mentioned that it was a hit in France, nor where it says it was in the top 10, nor where it says it won Gold.
 * A second serious issue is claiming things not claimed by the source you provide. You say "more than 20 dancers" where the source says "a troupe of 11 dancers". You say "a huge following that is still growing today" where the source says "a following which is still maintained today" (does not say it is huge, nor that it is growing). Stick to what the source can verify, or this becomes original research.
 * Much of the material is still unsourced. Here's a random selection:
 * "Dalida created this song essentially to use during her Shows but eventually it was released as a single"
 * "The song was the ending track to all the concerts"
 * Some other things to note:
 * You are overcapitalizing. There is no reason to capitalize "Shows", "Gay", "Disco Hit"
 * You are overlinking, especially the word Dalida.
 * The non album singles are not related to the album, they should not be mentioned
 * single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words
 * Why do you use this odd version of the biography and not one in a readable language? By the say, there is no such thing as "Jewish language", it is written in Hebrew in Latin letter, and even myself, a natural born Hebrew speaker find it extremely hard to read it.
 * Again, this is all not meant to discourage you from continuing to edit and contribute. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 10:13, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

--Muhandes (talk) 10:13, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you Muhandes for your feedback, I amended the page accordingly and fixed the citations, removing any unreferenced claim or phrase, could you please once more make sure the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigi_in_Paradisco is in order... If so, I will continue applying the things I learned to the rest of the album pages.

I will add other references related to the subject if I find them and then I could add more info regarding the album once I have trusted sources.

Regards, --Adancing (talk) 09:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I think you are getting the hang of it. I made some more minor edits, and here are some more quick notes. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 08:08, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You say about the singles "it saw Dalida dancing". Can you please clarify this? How can a single see something? On more modern titles this would refer to a video of some kind, but I'm not sure in this case.
 * citations come right after punctuation marks

how can I clarify or prove this?
 * Yes I'm actually referring to TV performances of these titles when I say "It saw", can I link a youtube video to demonstrate or is it illegal?

Regards, --Adancing (talk) 11:17, 5 October 2011
 * All I meant in this comment was that you should say "TV performances of this song saw", rather than "the song saw", which is unclear. As for sourcing, a YouTube video can be a source, although a written commentary is probably better. Personally, I don't tend to comment on the lack of sourcing for such descriptive facts, as the single itself or the performance of the single is the evidence, although if one wants to be strict, some source will be required. I guess what I'm saying is that is is more important to source facts which may be disputed (did the single receive gold certification? did it chart well? was it hailed by critics?) than to source purely descriptive material. There is a sort of a gray area, where if most of the facts are well sourced, some descriptive facts may remain unsourced, unless challenged. Of course, if someone challenges the fact, it will either be sourced or removed. --Muhandes (talk) 08:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

OK Munhandes, now that the first page is finished, i amended and updated this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympia_81 Please let me know if it confirms with wiki standards and I shall continue in that trend. Many thanks!--Adancing (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2011


 * It looks fine. You might want to pay more attention to the location of citation and you are still overlinking Dalida, but these are minor. Try to use more secondary sources if possible, and less her own website. --Muhandes (talk) 07:44, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to you working on the rest of the albums. They really can't be left for long in this state. --Muhandes (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

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