User talk:Adavidb/Archive 2

Michael Bernard Mukasey
From the NY Times article: "Judge Michael Bernard Mukasey of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York". I doubt there are two Michael Mukasey ' s working in as judges of the District Court for the Southern District of New York. Whether or not you like the cite, either find another or let the current one stand. Thanks. --MZMcBride 22:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * In a word, "chill". I somehow missed the reference to Mukasey in the cite. It will stand. &mdash;Adavidb 23:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean to bite. Cheers. --MZMcBride 23:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Wedding citation
Instead of a surprising wedding announcement, which will throw more than a few other readers, why not an article that is relevant to more of the individual's life?

-- Yellowdesk 01:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This alternate source is fine with me. &mdash;Adavidb 04:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Why the Lance Bass double revert?
Why did you revert my revert of vandalism to the Lance Bass article? If you have a reason for leaving the nonsense, please state it. Meanwhile, I've reverted again. &mdash;Adavidb 19:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * oh...I thought you did the nonsense...sorry-- Phoenix 15 19:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

My edit on Huntington
Umm I'm not exactly sure what I did was vandalism on that article, all I did was add links to different articles on the site. How does that count as vandalism? Please, tell me what I did wrong because I'm obviously missing something since all I was trying to do was improve the article. Thanks. -User:noneforall


 * When added links have nothing to do with the article or words to which they're linked, they constitute vandalism. As included on your user talk page, this link shows the edit that you made. Thomas Dongan has nothing to do with Governor Richard Nicholls or Huntington, New York. &mdash;Adavidb 22:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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Fort Zumwalt West High School edit
The new section for the Drama Department is justified, there is a section for Drama programs on several other high schools. I cited the people references to a student run Drama website, thats really the only other place to get the information if you don't go to the school. Hani20002000 (talk) 05:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Harding quotes
I am sorry, but I do not think that the sources you mentioned for this quote are reliable. First of all, I noted that Wikiquotes has this particular quote only as "attributed" and not as "sourced". From the guidelines: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." I do not think these websites have the desired reputation, even if one of them is hosted by the State of Delaware.


 * The first source (WETA) mentions as fact that he had an illegitimate daughter with Nan Britten, who he supported with the help of Secret Service agents. This Wikipedia article is much more ambiguous about the whole story, and in particular states that Britten's story did not hold up under questioning in court.
 * The second source starts with another unsourced quotation! The one about "not fit for this office". This is an extreme statement which I removed some time ago from this article, since no reliable sources could be found.
 * The last source just lists trivia about presidents. Though I am sure that they have the correct birth dates etc., I don't see why this website should be particularly reliable with regards to quotations.

I am sure that more websites could be found that list this quote; there are also a lot of places where you can find that he claimed to be unfit for his office. But if we cannot determine when and to who he said these things, I do not think they belong in this article. I think we need pretty strict standards for direct quotes. --KarlFrei (talk) 13:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * We obviously disagree on what constitutes a reliable third-party source for a quotation. You've questioned the state of Delaware's reliability; does Harding's bio page on the White House web site satisfy your concern over reliability?  How about Grolier Online's article on Harding?  The series' credentials are included here. &mdash;Adavidb 03:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * About Delaware and the White House: I would put these websites together with the "tour guides" mentioned in Reliable_source_examples ("The general public mostly gets its history from novels, films, TV shows, or tour guides at various sites. These sources are full of rumor and gossip and false or exaggerated tales.") I do not find these websites any more credible. What we are looking for here is something written by a professional historian or a primary source, for instance a New York Times article from 1923 that mentions this quote. Regarding Grolier, I don't think we can take their word that they are credible, and their list of staff does not actually seem to include any historians. More importantly however, this site does not appear to be publically accessible. At least, it asked me for a username and password. So I don't think we can use this. --KarlFrei (talk) 08:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I consider your dismissal of all these sources, especially the Grolier one, to be based on a much stricter interpretation of policy than is required. It seems I included the White House link twice rather than the one initially intended for Grolier, so that is updated above. The full Grolier Online resource does require an account for access, though not their New Book of Knowledge/American Presidency series. There is also this book source, which identifies many myths, though includes the quote in question as Harding's own: &mdash;Adavidb 10:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it is too strict, but I think it makes sense to be very strict for direct quotations (with quotation marks). In such cases it should be clear when and where this was said. According to one source, he "remarked this privately". So how did it end up in that book?

I would have no problem with a formulation like "Due to this corruption, some of Harding's friends actually caused him more trouble than his political enemies." --KarlFrei (talk) 13:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * According to several sources I consider reputable, Harding made the comment in question to journalist William Allen White late in his presidency before the Teapot Dome Scandal became public.   &mdash;Adavidb 15:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That's great, thanks for doing this research! The extra detail makes the claim more believable. Please put one of these sources in the article. I guess Highbeam is best, though you should probably mention the book title (The Teapot Dome Scandal). Thanks again. --KarlFrei (talk) 07:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Lyons24000 contributions to DDE have been reverted. I cited the TIME article correctly and fixed the proper bibles w/REFs. I don't know what Lyons agenda is. The wording is not correct. If you could check the REFs by reading the cited material, and fix the wording, I am not happy with the verbiage, but wanted a second set of eyes. Thanks. ~ WikiDon (talk) 04:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your edits. I made a few minor additional changes. &mdash;Adavidb 12:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the twice over. It needed something, but I was tired. Mr. Lyons seem to be POV. Thanks again. ~ WikiDon (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Use of New Template
I have created a template using a commons image that could be used on the front page of the Maryland project. As you can see, I have configured it to fly behind the wiki-puzzle-world logo in the upper left portion of the screen. I will leave it there for a couple of days and invite your comments as to whether we should use it on our front page, or not.--« Maryland stater » « reply » 16:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please leave Support or Oppose comments here:

Discussion about the next DC Meetup
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Battle of Quebec
If you have an Amazon account you may view the original source of the wood book here. Red4tribe (talk) 03:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)