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Your recent edits to Manas International Airport
Hi, I reverted your recent edits to this page and explained why on the talk page. I'm hoping you agree with my reasoning. Thanks. -- Hux 18:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

PS Out of interest, I notice that most of your edits are to articles relating to Kyrgyzstan. Are you from here originally? An expat maybe? Or are you just interested in the area? I'd be interested to know your connection with the place, if you don't mind the question! -- Hux 18:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Born and raised, but no longer live there. Thanks for keeping the Kyrgyzstan pages updated - I say, a page on Bishkek still requires a lot of work... Addd wiki 18:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree. It starts off okay but after the history section it starts to read like an amateur travel brochure. I think I'll have to do something about that! -- Hux 20:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way - on the subject of changes in the Manas article. Not sure if it was you who added the following paragraph:

"During the Cold War, the airport was home to a Soviet Air Force base. The ruins of the base's military alert facility and weapon storage bunkers can still be seen around the airport."

I lived in Bishkek back in the Soviet times and went through Manas countless times, but never heard about it being an “air force base” or saw a military plane there (short of an odd IL-76 transport). There has always been (and still remains) an air force helicopter pilot training facility on the NW edge of the city (so called Frunze-1 or “110-й квартал”  located here: 42.9°N, 74.51667°W and properly mentioned in the Bishkek article) and a (not very actively used) military airstrip in Kant, but Manas? Granted, as any Soviet airport, it was built to be of dual military/civilian use (hence the 4,000 m runway, for example), but, to my knowledge, Ganci is the first ever military installation at Manas...Addd wiki 04:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't add it so I just assumed it was true and it seemed to make sense given the unusually long runway, which can only have been built that way to accommodate Soviet bombers. Mind you, if there were any large, military aircraft there then they certainly would've been visible to passengers because there would've been nowhere else to put them except on the parking apron in front of the terminal (as the US does now with its tankers and cargo planes). If nobody ever saw any there then, as you say, it seems more likely that it was built as a potential dual-use site rather than ever being home to an actual, fully-functional, Soviet base. The trouble is, I don't see how we could change the text to reflect that without it being considered Original Research, which isn't allowed. Can you find a link that would back up what you're saying? (A Russian link would be okay, given that I doubt there's anything out there in English.)
 * Also, I'm wondering if Manas was at least temporarily used as a Soviet base during the Soviet-Afghan war. It seems likely, given its position and given that the US is using it for exactly that now. -- Hux 06:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair point – although whoever put out that statement didn’t cite any sources either – and finding a source that will prove Manas was NOT an Air Force base may be tricky… I will see if I can find something….

Manas was not used in Soviet-Afghan war in any significant way – the coalition using it right now has little to do with the proximity to Afghanistan and everything – with political climate (since Kyrgyzstan is relatively stable and the only country in the region that can be described as pro-Western). Soviet bases used in the Afghan war were overwhelmingly located in Afghanistan itself (Bagram Air Base, Kandahar Airfield, etc.) due to mostly tactical nature of aircraft warfare during the war; those on the Soviet territory were mostly in southern Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan (close to the Afghan border) with most important being Karshi-Khanabad and  Merv. Addd wiki 14:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right about the difficulty of proving a negative, of course. Maybe we should remove the part that says Manas was a Soviet air base and just find something to support the more likely scenario that it was constructed as a dual-use facility.
 * About the Soviet-Afghan war, I was going to ask if maybe they used Karshi-Khanabad - that would make sense. For the US, though, proximity to Afghanistan has at least something to do with using Manas, but obviously the main reason right now is that it's the only country in the region that will let them have a base there, after the Uzbeks kicked them out. ;) -- Hux 20:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Agree - all I was trying to say was that Manas in not THAT close to Afghanistan...Addd wiki 20:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

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