User talk:AdeptApril

Willughbeia images
This is the message you left on my talk: "I _did_ look around your site. The site seems like it could be interesting(and, in fact, I was conflicted about using the site because it's hard to find info about Willughbeia species, but I dislike finding out about the site through a link in Wikipedia that shouldn't have been added.). However, linking to the site added nothing directly to the article. From what I could tell, the site has a list of Willughbeia plants found in Malaysia, a mention of destruction of Willughbeia trees, and a photo that purports to show Willughbeia pictures, but is mostly stamped with an e-mail address. Those things might be helpful as a reference for the article, but you added no content to the article, and didn't link deeply to any directly-applicable pages -- you linked to the main page of your site."

O.K. First of all, I didn't promise additional or detailed information in my link. I simply wrote "for pictures of this species you can visit my site" and pictures you've got! Are they too small or stamped with watermarks? So you cannot copy them because they are copyrighted. There are no pictures of these 10 different species of this almost extinct genera on the whole Internet! The watermarks include an email address for a very good reason. If you're a bona fida scientist who studies these species and you email me,I might decide to send you more material. Also I do have all the documentation on these species but not for the stealing! Therefore there are no links to more info about them.I do have more pictures of many almost extinct genera than anybody else does, including Kew and the Dutch databases.I was just trying to be helpful to share it with the scientific community but not with the public.If this is spam then to the hell with it."destruction of Willughbeia trees" Willughbeia fruits do not grow on trees but on lianas"and a photo that purports to show Willughbeia pictures" All my displayed images are triple checked and identified!I've been eating these fruits for years! I was about to contribute hundreds of my images to wiki but I don't want to deal with this kind of attitude so I guess you can delete my user name too. Goodbye!Frugivore (talk) 14:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Again with my conflicted thoughts toward you -- I appreciate your knowledge, and I'm even beginning to appreciate your website. That said, your contribution to Wikipedia was a link to your own webpage, with not even a link to things that were directly applicable. If that were an acceptable standard, Google could add a, "for more information about (any topic)", type in search terms at Google. Surely you can see how that's spam, regardless of how much info a person might actually get by clicking the link.

So, sure, take your ball and go home; it's your ball. I just want accurate and useful articles on Wikipedia. If you want to help, yay, your expertise will be wonderful. If you want to add general links to your own stuff, well, it's just going to get deleted. Sorry.AdeptApril (talk) 14:47, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I've over reacted. In principle you are right. I have a bad temper and age will not cure it. O.K. it was maybe wrong of me to put external links into Wiki but I did it in good faith. However, the way to hell is also paved with good intentions :) When I have time I'll get those pictures together and upload them on Wiki. Not for the kudos, I don't care for that, but to share & to educate. Frugivore (talk) 18:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment -- I was worrying that I had badgered a new user into not contributing, just because that user didn't get some of the Wikipedia rules. I wish that concept had occurred to me earlier, as I've long been annoyed by the extreme-rule-following, deletionist-camp Wikipedians. I look forward to seeing your contributions, and I look forward to learning stuff from you -- I first read about Pitabu in Fruit Hunters, where it was said that Bill Whitman loved the taste of the fruit. Since then, I've figured out that pretty much no place writes about the fruit, and it's evidently rare enough that getting a plant or seed(in the US, anyway) is not reasonably possible. Still, I'm fascinated by it, even if my knowledge is minimal. AdeptApril (talk) 22:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

You see, Pitabu or Tabut(Iban), as we call it, is the biggest but not the sweetest Willughbeia. It's white flesh is subacid and tastes a little similar to lemon sherbet. The two best are the kubal madu[honey kubal] (Iban) and the kubal tusu[breastshaped kubal] (Iban)they have a strong ripe apricot flavour. All the others are pretty well somewhere in between.The only place I've seen them cultivated is at Taman Petani, Tenom,Sabah.But they managed only one inferior species the kubal arang[charcoal kubal](Iban). They are lianas,requiring tall trees for support, a trellis will not do.A mature liana is about as thick as a man's thigh. Frugivore (talk) 05:04, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

If you want to see Willughbeia lianas visit https://sites.google.com/site/malaysianedibleflora/talk-about-malaysian-flora I hope you won't accuse me of spam again:) I'm just trying to be helpful. Frugivore (talk) 07:27, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for both the information and the link; they both contained things that I would have had great difficulty finding anywhere else.AdeptApril (talk) 23:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. If you need any more info on any Malaysian plants please do not hesitate to contact me. Although my knowledge is quite limited I try my best. There is a good Malay proverb about this: Where there are no eagles, even a grasshopper can call himself an eagle. By the way, I will not edit the Willughbeia page in Wiki and as it is, it is a useless stub and will stay like this for a very long time. So since you were satisfied with my link above, why don't YOU add it as a link to Willughbeia.In your answer you've used "I would have had great difficulty finding anywhere else" it is just a euphemism for I cannot find anywhere else.If it's a spade let's call it a spade.Eagles do not soar over these lianas so maybe the grasshopper's knowledge would be accepted.Frugivore (talk) 06:23, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I hope that you understand why I refuse to edit Wiki pages. The little knowledge I have cost me a lot in money, time and energy. If I decide to share it with people for free, at least I want recognition for my efforts. I'm not talking about kudos only a basic acknowledgment that this was the fool who risked his and his son's life in the jungle to get this material. On Wiki it's not possible. On Wiki, you as a contributor, are an unknown soldier of progress. I'm sorry but I insist on a gravestone, with my name on it. Frugivore (talk) 09:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Perfectly understandable, and indeed I should make the Willughbeia page much better than it is. It's been on my project list for a while, but never quite made it to the top. And I will, of course, happily use your site as a reference when it's the best site available.

Thanks again for your help, and I look forward to having you answer any questions I have after doing a bit more research.AdeptApril (talk) 20:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Kubal Fruit Eaten by Wandering Penan
Here is another spam. A picture taken by a friend of mine. http://frank-malaysianfruits.blogspot.com/2010/07/orang-penan-di-kalimantan-timor-makan.htmlFrugivore (talk) 08:19, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Kembayau Olive, the Favourite Food of the Hornbills
What's happening with the Dacryodes page on Wiki? Frugivore (talk) 08:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Borassodendron machadonis
This is the only real Malaysian Borassodendron and it is pretty well extinct in the wild. The so called scientific community cannot even come up with a local name for it (I do have a few), even though it had been used by Malaysian aboriginal tribes for thousands of years. I have found one last year, probably the last one, in the jungles of Kelantan.By now it is probably gone, cut by encroaching, illegal Malay rubber planters.I have photographed the harvesting of the nuts for food by the local people. If I create an informative page on my site about this "Last of the Mohicans" would it be an acceptable link in Wiki? Just now I navigated to the Borassodendron machadonis page on Wiki and I was shocked that my link is still there. You guys have forgotten to delete it!? Frugivore (talk) 08:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

May 2010
(Four previous warnings about not adding inappropriate links, not reproduced here so that people don't think I(AdeptApril) added such links.)

Frugivore added a spam link to Willughbeia on 20 May 2010. That edit had been reverted once before, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdeptApril (talk • contribs) 04:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

My added links are not spam. I'm not selling or advertising anything.On the other hand on my site I have posted sample pictures of very rare fruits, people cannot find anywhere else. As for info about the species on the sample photo pages they are listed on the Flora Already Documented page.Moreover, I'm providing a discussion forum on these rare fruits which brings people together to exchange info. Should look at a site a bit more deeply before mark it a spam. Frugivore (talk) 07:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I suggest you raise your site for review as a source on WP:RSN, particularly if you can point to an editorial quality and sources policy. If the consensus is that this is a reasonable reference then you should be able to avoid future warnings. Fæ (talk) 07:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

AdeptApril (talk) 14:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)