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March 2018
Hello, I'm Srich32977. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Socialism seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. – S. Rich (talk) 03:57, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

April 2018
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Eurabia. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. ''Basically the sources need to discuss the subject of the article, which is very different from writing an essay where you can use sources not discussing the subject to build up an argument.'' Doug Weller  talk 18:26, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see my reply on the article's talk page.Adoring nanny (talk) 20:58, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've seen it and replied. And removed a whole section someone else wrote where the sources were about something else entirely. Doug Weller  talk 17:55, 23 April 2018 (UTC)r

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Mackeeper
I've undone your edits to the subject page. They were fairly major edits. We can certainly discuss the matter further on the article talk page, if you wish. a one line mention of the article may be valuable however it's not something worthy of editing the lead or features sections.Labattblueboy (talk) 13:03, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

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Discretionary sanctions alert for articles and content relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict
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Please avoid editing in the Arab-Israeli area until you have 500 edits
That applies to any content relating to the conflict even if the article itself isn't devoted to it. I see you last few edits have been in violation of this. I'm presuming you didn't read the section heading here. Doug Weller talk 20:38, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You're right, I missed that. Sorry.Adoring nanny (talk) 23:58, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * No problem. Doug Weller  talk 08:32, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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Murder of Hae Min Lee
Please come to the talk page of the Murder of Hae Min Lee article for discussion about the edits..

Thank you,

Cynistrategus (talk) 09:29, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Once there was a small country with a mighty army. They fought with considerable skill and won many victories. However, the more victories they won, the more enemies they made, and eventually they were thrown onto the defensive. They continued fighting with considerable skill, but in the end they were defeated. Their terrific tactical skill, which is admired to this day, did not make up for their lack of grand strategy. Adoring nanny (talk) 12:36, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I have opened a Third Opinion Dispute on the Murder of Hae Min Lee page.

Cynistrategus (talk) 17:38, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

You just reverted an article that was sourced with reliable secondary sources. In addition many of the claims from Undisclosed and all from the Undisclosed Wiki and a Reddit AMA are not Wikipedia Reliable sources.

Cynistrategus (talk) 08:20, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Reliable sources Because you may disagree with the content of a journalistic reliable source does not mean that you can just revert them away. Please refrain from doing so in the future.

BLP DS notice
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American Politics Discretionary Sanctions Notification
Also please review the one about BLPs above.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 04:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Opinions in Taki's Magazine
Hi. The closer of RfC: Taki's Magazine said: "There is also agreement that even as an opinion publication this source should be avoided outside of very limited exceptions (e.g. WP:ABOUTSELF)." The closer (on talk page thread Taki's Magazine RfC said that your comment indicated that you do not disagree. Is that correct? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:15, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems about right. Adoring nanny (talk) 23:36, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Then I was wrong. Thank you. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

General sanctions for pages related to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)
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Fox News RfC and questions about Trump collusion
I don't want to overwhelm/distract at the RfC, so I'll provide this information for you here. This is from the Mueller Report:

Conspiracy/coordination "requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests." The Trump campaign did take myriad proven "actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests", but without evidence of a formal written or spoken agreement (the "more than the two parties..."), conspiracy could not be proven, even if everything done, and the results of those actions, indicated that such an understanding existed, regardless of whether a formal "agreement" existed. Conspirators usually avoid leaving such evidence.

Keep in mind that, already starting in 2015, EIGHT foreign allied intelligence agencies incidentally recorded numerous Trump campaign members and associates secretly meeting with known Russian intelligence agents (who were being monitored) and discussing the coming election. The campaign lied about all these contacts. Their conversations were so worrying and a threat to American democracy that those intelligence agencies reported their findings to the FBI (and maybe CIA). The Trump campaign was deeply involved with Russian intelligence in planning election interference to help Trump. That's collusion, no matter how it's defined. -- Valjean (talk) 17:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Adoring nanny (talk) 19:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ? One right-wing think tank doesn't trump myriad RS. We have WHOLE articles about this, and the RS in them tell a very different story. BTW, which part of what I wrote do you disagree with? -- Valjean (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Commenting on the personal motivations of RfC participants
Your suggestion that editors based in mainland China (if there are any, in the first place) comment the way they do out of fear of legal ramifications is not far-removed from the tired trope "do you have a connection to the Chinese state", and thus dangerously close to a WP:WIAPA violation. And your assertion that Xinhua is a "CCP organ" is a WP:SOAPBOX-level falsehood, as our own article states it is ministry-level institution subordinate to the State Council, not any Party apparatus such as the Politburo Standing Committee. Caradhras Aiguo ( leave language ) 18:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I was also disturbed by that same comment. Wikipedia allows people of all nationalities to edit, and suggesting that editors from one country be discounted goes fundamentally against the values of the project. -Thucydides411 (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You can be certain that I don't like the reality of it either. But it is also factual. See Ren Zhiqiang. If it would make the two of you happier, I could change it to something that is purely factual and leave the motivation part out, i.e. "participants from mainland China risk arrest and disappearance if they are too critical of the CCP." Would that be an improvement? Adoring nanny (talk) 20:43, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Conflating a critical essay written by a very high-profile tycoon (Mr. Ren) with Wikipedia editing, which I doubt the Central Government gives a hoot about it vis-a-vis surveilling dissidents, is a bad look, but, alas, I have come to expect that from the comments on RS/N. Caradhras Aiguo ( leave language ) 21:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

TPS: WP:Disinformation contains documented cases of government sponsored disinformation on Wikipedia. Always looking for new entries that are verifiable :) My opinion: the Chinese government does care about Wikipedia. If they have UPE on Wikipedia has never been determined, as far as I know, beyond suspicions.  --  Green  C  14:01, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Stop Vandalism
Hi, @User:Adoring nanny! I really don't understand why you think, that I have COI. Am I interested in the antivirus program topic? Yes, I am. Is it COI? I don't think so. I have joined the wiki community because I've read the wiki for a long time, and now want to develop it with other volunteers. Also, I've joined for fun, but not for WP:HOUND. Please stop depreciating my contributions. Your actions look like WP:VD --Maketimus (talk) 10:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't believe you. Additionally, you need to follow WP:BRD. Adoring nanny (talk) 12:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Users conflict
Hi, @User:Ridwan97, @User:Jaredscribe, @User:JBW! I've seen that you have contributions in antivirus software topic. I have conflict with @User:Adoring nanny. Adoring nanny has reverted all my changes Avast Antivirus, MacKeeper, Panda Cloud Antivirus. Can you help us solve this conflict? I really don't know why this user blame me for CoI. --Maketimus (talk) 07:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

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MfD nomination of User:Adoring nanny/Essays/Lab Leak Likely
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Interesting
I found this recently and thought you might be interested. While I'm sure it wouldn't pass muster as a "WP:RS" - slowly but surely the facts are leaking out IMO. And it's really funny how things get archived IJS. — Ched (talk) 04:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The "reliable" canard is hopeless, and I choose not to fight it. Just document the fact that reality is clear now, and let the WP:V folks insist that zoonosis nonsense is "verifiable". Adoring nanny (talk) 10:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I normally avoid politics altogether on wiki, not sure why I felt the need to say "keep" at the the MfD, but I'm still glad it was kept. HAGD — Ched (talk) 11:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

China COVID-19 Cover-up moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, China COVID-19 Cover-up, is not suitable as written to remain published. The article raises concerns about neutrality WP:NPOV and due weight to an alledged cover-up. China's response has wide coverage across the Covid article spectrum, especially COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China. Therefore, this strikes me as POV-Fork. I may be missing something, hence moving to Draft instead of a Deletion discussion. I suggest to follow the WP:AFC process for an additional set of eyes. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 00:04, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propaganda is different from hiding information. A quick look shows that there is abundant sourcing on exactly the question of cover-up.Adoring nanny (talk) 00:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest to double check the "Propaganda" section. It goes into a lot of detail around censorship, handling of whistleblowers, questions around accuracy of data, questions around virus origin and so forth. All this can easily be a substitute for "cover up". Plus, there's also COVID-19 misinformation which looks at all sorts of angles surrounding this.pseudonym Jake Brockman talk 00:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A cover-up is about hiding information. That is not the same as misinformation. Indeed, some of the material of the draft was deleted from the misinformation page on grounds that it is off-topic there. Adoring nanny (talk) 00:55, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Normchou
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement § Normchou. Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 00:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

How to put sources inside a collapse
I prefer to use Template:Sources-talk as it adds a second inner collapse inside the template, that contains all the sources within. You can do it like this:

(content)

This has the effect of removing those sources from any subsequent references, but it will also "catch" any pre-collapse sources, so watch out for that. I love wiki-formatting, as you may have noticed! :) -- Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 16:01, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip!

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June 2021
I'm very close to reporting you for using Wikipedia as an advocacy soapbox. Part of the obvious WP:NOTHERE evidence was linked at the current MfD. Since reports usually require a previous warning I wanted to make sure that you knew about it. Also linking the previously received alert. — Paleo Neonate  – 07:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hi there!

I really appreciate your comment[] about how to keep only the best sources in Wikipedia in an unprecedented situation.

Also, while I was here I also noticed your essay. I have started a user essay of my own, and while it's kind of along similar lines in that it is counter to WP:NOLABLEAK (I swear I didn't copy you idea haha!) the explicit intent is a bit different. The idea is to allow the scientific process to work on its own, while Wikipedia does Wikipedia's job based on common sense inclusion of sources rather than be inflexible beyond reason.

Would you be interested in contributing to the section about the joint WHO-China study? If so I'll let you know once I have something posted.

Happy editing, KristinaLu (talk) 21:51, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I'm not doing more along those lines for now. I fall squarely into one of the categories that is not WP:SPA, but I want to avoid any trouble along those lines. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

A goat for you!
Love the awesome rocket picture on your user page! I'm totally adding it to my random cool picture generator :D

–– F ORMAL D UDE ( talk ) 15:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC) 

Nomination of China COVID-19 cover-up allegations for deletion
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Square brackets
I think the problem was that you used square brackets in the section title. I fixed it by using round brackets.VR talk 17:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Adoring nanny (talk) 17:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Also its generally better to strike out comments, as opposed to deleting them, after someone has responded to them.VR talk 18:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am aware of the tradition. In this case, however, the comment has nothing to do with the discussion. That's why I suggested deletion and did delete after your fix (thanks). For a substantive comment, I would not have done that. Adoring nanny (talk) 18:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok.VR talk 18:13, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

ArbCom
Adoring nanny, I think you have grounds for an ArbCom case. LondonIP (talk) 22:01, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Nah. a general rule of Wikipedia is that it is best to take things calmly. I'm not going to ANI, let alone arbcom. Adoring nanny (talk) 23:13, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Without arbitration, I doubt your draft will pass, but I will try to help with the sources I've read. I recommend to start collecting diffs of all arguments made to POVDELETE content, like the WP:AGEMATTERS and WP:REDFLAG, here and here. WP:ARBCOM is the right venue for this. LondonIP (talk) 19:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be too sure. It seems to me that it's one user strongly objecting and several others indifferent. In general, WP:AC is a terrible place for content disputes. Adoring nanny (talk) 19:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

December 2021
Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia.  Removal of a source simply because you disagree with its conclusions is exactly the opposite of NPOV. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 22:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Shibbolethink, The first step in WP:BRD is in fact B. There is nothing improper about making a bold edit. Getting into an edit war, without discussing, would be improper. I would add that your message misses the mark as I neither added commentary, nor my point of view, nor any analysis to the article. I request that you retract the insinuation that I did so. Adoring nanny (talk) 01:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, a POV warrior. Yes that explains the otherwise inexplicably bizarre behavior at . FYI, I'll pursue a topic ban if this ever again bleeds into article space. VQuakr (talk) 03:09, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * User:VQuakr, please strike per WP:NPA. Adoring nanny (talk) 03:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Personal attack not found, unless we're talking about your baseless accusation at . VQuakr (talk) 05:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Came here after noticing this raised at RSN, and then was pretty shocked to see this removal of an obviously high-quality source (and also depressed to see people still banging on about this topic). Could be that AE is soon needed. Alexbrn (talk) 15:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Good grief. It is allowed to make a WP:BOLD edit once. If reverted, one is supposed to discuss, which I did. It was one thing to have Shibbolethink and RandomCanadian disagree with me. But when DGG also did, the answer was clear. I have now accepted the general opinion that the source should be kept. I do still believe we need to explain Frutos' reasoning more fully. All of this is part of the normal editorial process. Adoring nanny (talk) 15:12, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Be WP:CAREFUL. An obviously bad edit to anyone with WP:CLUE, and apparently part of a disruptive pattern of POV-pushing. Your only seeing the obvious when a certain named editor gives their word too, rather compounds the problem. Alexbrn (talk) 21:01, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a borderline WP:NPA violation. Adoring nanny (talk) 21:32, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

"China COVID-19 cover-up allegations" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Discretionary sanctions alert
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Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion
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Notice
Please do not come on my talk page again. I respectfully disagree with your incomprehensible misunderstanding of my comments. You're certainly self-aware enough to understand that these are not personal attacks and also have enough introspection to understand how edits like this one (to pick the recent one) do breach WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE without me having to detail it out for you (just for clarity: "believe" is clearly the wrong word and "Most scientists" is really "Almost all of them with relevant qualifications", facts which you are also well aware). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that "say" would have been a better choice than "believe". Thank you for pointing that out. However, I would note that the second sentence of the article says Most scientists say that as with other pandemics in human history, the virus is likely of zoonotic origin in a natural setting, and ultimately originated from a bat-borne virus. and appears to have been stable since at least August. Are you arguing that the only problem is the word "believe", which I agree was the wrong choice? Or is there a further problem? Adoring nanny (talk) 22:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Notice
Please do not continue to claim i have made personal attacks towards you, when i simply was incorrect regarding a topic ban (which i later corrected) and suggested that you reconsider your edit history. It seems you have been doing similar things (claiming things are personal attacks when they clearly aren't) to another edit quite recently as mentioned in the above section, do not continue doing so. Corinal (talk) 15:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This was a personal attack. Adoring nanny (talk) 15:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * What exactly there is a personal attack? I was incorrect about your TBAN (it had only been proposed) but that is not a personal attack. I stated you had nothing to say but threats, my view regarding your message (not a personal attack). I mentioned WP:BOOMERANG, not a personal attack. Please quote directly what you believe is a personal attack. Corinal (talk) 16:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * "perhaps you should consider why you have sanctions on related topics instead of falsely claiming i do not understand policy and then threatening me." they were right, you. didn't understand. Thats pretty clearly a personal attack as there is no truth to the statement that AD falsly claimed something (nor was there actually truth to the statement about threats or sanctions but those aren't truly PA). Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 16:15, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It is not a personal attack, even if you believe it incorrect. As stated numerous time, i have corrected my mistake regarding the TBAN. Please take the suggestion of another editor and end the conversation, rather than interjecting yourself into it. Corinal (talk) 16:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

User talk pages
While they're adequate for warnings and non-canvassing notifications, and allowed more freedom than article talk pages, it's not really a good idea to confront other editors at their user page to continue content disputes (the article talk page is the place to find compromise). If the goal is to warn per WP:WARN, just do it with a clear message and move on; if they've been warned enough already, consider reporting them (of course it may not always turn out as planned, depending on how legitimate it is)... I post this advice because I've seen it happen several times lately. — Paleo Neonate  – 08:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * User:PaleoNeonate You're now the third editor to tell me that. Thanks. Apparently I needed to hear it. I also broke one of my own rules (take everything calmly). So thanks. Adoring nanny (talk) 09:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Uyghur genocide
You forgot to sign your post in the RfC. Pincrete (talk) 18:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks! Adoring nanny (talk) 21:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Edit Warring on Elections in Cuba
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Merger discussion for 2022 Winter Olympics dragging incident
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More than meets the eye
I agree with your reflections that there are certain situation where more is going on than we're being told, but I'd apply that same eye to alternative versions we're told from alternative mouths of the same motivators. We can engage further on this. Hyperbolick (talk) 09:37, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Asov Battalion
I have started a discussion in which you may care to comment at [] Cheers Elinruby (talk) 00:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Filtration camp system for Ukrainians moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Filtration camp system for Ukrainians, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of " " before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Curbon7 (talk) 02:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Dubious COVID-related information
You've reinstated this material, which is a dubious claim that has never been substantiated. Simply stating that SCMP and The Guardian are "perfectly good sources" does not address the problems I pointed out on the talk page. Many claims that are made in breaking news coverage turn out to be inaccurate. The SCMP made a claim in early 2020. The Guardian and a few other outlets related that claim, which does not mean that they independently investigated and verified it - newspapers often repeat breaking news from other papers. Subsequent investigations (such as the WHO mission) have not been able to verify the claim.

As you know, accuracy in COVID-related topics is something that we take seriously on Wikipedia. Please self-revert. -Thucydides411 (talk) 08:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy notice
I'm leaving this courtesy note to let you know that I've closed an RfC that you opened relating to the reliability of TASS. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 03:52, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Close looks to me like an accurate summary of the discussion. Adoring nanny (talk) 18:25, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RFC
War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 11:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * User:Gitz6666 Thanks, but you might want to consider making two RfCs, one for each bit of proposed content. One RfC with multiple issues tends to get confusing. Adoring nanny (talk) 15:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I've already opened the RfC. If you have any ideas as to how make the discussion more orderly and productive, you can share them there. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 15:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The opener generally has the right to withdraw the RfC. If the RfC had a lot of input, I'm not sure if this would be frowned upon or not. But in this case, where the only comment is someone (me) saying it should be two RfC, not one, I wouldn't expect any pushback. I further give you permission to delete my comment if you do decide to refactor it into two RfCs. Adoring nanny (talk) 18:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you again. I amended the RfC statement as discussed and I removed your comment and mine. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 00:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

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CPCs
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Discussion at Talk:Cyber Anakin#A mountain out of molehill?
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Advice on how to frame an RfC
Hello, Adoring nanny, I'd like some advice from you on how to formulate the RfC Talk:War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. You already made a contribution to the discussion, so you know what it is about. What do you think of the following set of questions? Is there any way to say it more clearly and simply? Thank you.

This RfC concerns if and how the article should report about extrajudicial executions of suspected collaborators of Russian forces.

Option 1 (status quo). The article should not include a section on extrajudicial executions of suspected collaborators of Russian forces.

Option 2 (proposed text). The article should include a section as the one proposed here below.

Option 3 (different text). The article should include a section different from the one proposed (specify how).

Extrajudicial executions of suspected collaborators
As of 11 July, Ukrainian officials and media reported that at least five Russian collaborators had been shot dead or blown up in their cars and three more wounded. On 30 August, nearly a dozen people had been killed and a number of others have been injured in assassination attempts targeting collaborationist and Russian-appointed officials in the occupied territories. On 8 September, Washington Post reported a wave of assassinations and attempted killings targetting officials and collaborators in Russian occupied territories. Some of the attacks were carried out by Ukrainian partisans who are led and trained by Ukrainian special forces.

On 27 September, the OHCHR documented six killings of suspected "traitors" of Ukraine. The victims were officials of local authorities, policemen and civilians who were believed to have voluntarily cooperated with the enemy. According to OHCHR, these killings may have been committed by government agents or with their acquiescence and may amount to extrajudicial executions and war crimes. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 17:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think your proposal is clear. You have used multiple options, rather than multiple questions. That's a big helper with clarity. I'm less certain that your wording is neutral. I would be inclined to use the word "killings" outside of option 2. Adoring nanny (talk) 18:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the prompt answer. I don't understand what you mean by use the word "killings" outside of option 2. Do you mean that we should use the word "killings" instead of "executions"? "Extrajudicial killings"? I'm fine with that, but I don't understand your reference to Option 2 - option 2 doesn't mention neither killings nor executions. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 19:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think "extrajudicial" is a word that tends to frame things in a certain way. Very few of the people who are killed in a war are killed after a judicial process. Think of a German killed by a WW2 resistance movement, or by partisans, for example. There was no judicial process, but would we call it "extrajudicial"? Anyway, it's your RfC -- that's just my opinion. Adoring nanny (talk) 00:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK, thank you - I did not realise that the adjective 'extrajudicial' was the problem. I will avoid it in the wording of the RfC. Regarding your observation, note that I used the word "partisan" in the proposed text, as one sources does (they also use "hit squads"). I believe that from the perspective of international humanitarian law, it all comes down to whether the targets are civilians or enemy combatants. Recently, there has been much debate on the legality of targeted killings and some scholars have argued that in asymmetric warfare, leaders and members of terrorist organisations can be legitimately targeted. However, as far as I know, no one has ever claimed that civilians without military responsibilities, such as civil servants, can be legitimate targets. As for law enforcement officers, there might be some controversy, but killing an elected mayor because of his pro-Russian leanings? Usually the OHCHR is very cautious about labelling something as a possible war crime. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 06:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Liberation of Kherson City


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November 2022
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Investigations into the origin of COVID-19. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * Your revert message said that something wasn't present. The source said that it was. That's not WP:EW. That's WP:AGF. I was assuming that you didn't notice wat the source said. Adoring nanny (talk) 23:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

POV title
Thanks for your comment Adoring Nanny, we were discussing the topic in the thread above, that VM opened as Talk:War_crimes_in_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine. Why don't you move your comment there? So we don't duplicate the discussions. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 00:48, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Done Adoring nanny (talk) 01:01, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Articles that use "far" descriptors in opening sentence
Hi Adoring nanny. You mentioned a couple of articles that you are aware of that use "far-right" in the opening sentence, namely Dorothy Moon and the Gatestone Institute. Are there others that you are aware of? I've been asked to compile a list of articles that use "far left" and "far right" as statements of fact to describe people and groups. This is unrelated to the RFC discussion underway. Perhaps, if this is an issue that has captured your attention to some degree, we could collaborate on such a list. Thanks. Philomathes2357 (talk) 00:33, 16 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Not aware of others at present. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * OK. I have a list of approximately a dozen others so far, some of which use in-line citations, like the Dorothy Moon article, and others which simply assert that the subject is "far" right/left without any citations at all. If you happen to stumble across another, and you think of it, I'd appreciate you bringing it to my attention. Thanks. Philomathes2357 (talk) 02:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Will do. Adoring nanny (talk) 14:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

What do the allegations say
Pertinent query. Shoot me an email, and I will try to send some scans (in Polish) from the Nasz Dziennik in the weekend. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:47, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't speak Polish. Adoring nanny (talk) 03:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Please don't edit my main user page directly
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MfD nomination of User:Adoring nanny/Essays/Lab Leak Likely
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 * Sorry about that. I did intend to do it on your talk page. Adoring nanny (talk) 03:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you and not a problem. Easy fix. The deletion discussion is a separate issue that I became aware of when I visited your user page. I think it's fine if you disagree with an article's consensus and gather sources to support that viewpoint. I just don't think an essay is an appropriate place for that. It should be proposed as a change on the lab leak talk page. The void century 04:30, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * I honestly couldn’t figure out a topic ban broad enough to contain your misunderstanding of core policies. COVID, pseudoscience, American Politics?  Not even sure that’s enough to be workable. So, the siteblock is the better solution for the project. Per Contentious topics protocol, the first year of this is an AE action, the remainder is not. Courcelles (talk) 13:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Based on what you wrote, it is difficult to tell. But is it possible that your perception is affected by the fact that the discussion in question was about a userspace essay, where standards are much different from article space, and criticism of core policies is permitted? Here, for example, I gather up a bunch of sources related to a question under dispute, even including one that goes directly counter to my opinion in the discussion. My position in that discussion might be summarized by saying that the harshest criticism does not belong in the first sentence. Adoring nanny (talk) 20:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I am now noticing that I got WP:NOTTRUTH wrong in that discussion. In that particular instance I plead temporary insanity. Sigh. Adoring nanny (talk) 06:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Been there, bud! Just remember, nothing lasts forever and we both know hearts can change. And yeah, never be wrong! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:28, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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