User talk:Adrian LUKA

Adrian LUKA (talk) 08:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

A "Daurr" = an extreme love and an extreme dislike being mixed and living together in the same pot.

I find that in this life there are many cases in society’s relationships where things are interlaced with one another in a manner that is hard to clearly judge right and wrong.

He wrote: “…When she is at home, I suffer a very strange moment where I face such an astonishing mixture of feelings in life’s pot. I am extremely happy to see her at home, where she belongs and in harmony with her family… Sincerely I like to hug, to kiss and, more often than not, to have sex with her. This is simply because I love her…

At the same time, I am terribly bored when I recall how many times she left me in the middle of nowhere, without lending a helping hand in times when I needed it most. In 1997, she started a new independent life. Even nowadays, she is still not helping her family… She never listens to me about our family’s future, nor does she take into consideration any of my advice… She never likes to or wants to calculate how we can progress in this wild life of Capitalism without damaging our family’s interests.

As a result, I am not comfortable when she is around me… Expressing my story in a nutshell, I say that I hate her for the tremendous selfishness she possesses inside her body...but, on the other hand, I love her”

She wrote: “In his youth he was one of the best students in our country… and everyone in our city loved him not only because he was handsome, friendly, good-hearted and hardworking, but he was also an exemplar of a great helper and peaceful man… You know, after a while he became so fragile and he became involved with bad people who would introduce him to gambling. I was not aware of this habit when he became my husband. I admired him as all young girls would admire a well-known man… Here, begins the next page in our relationship. I was suffering to pay some of his debts… Slowly, I started to hate him to death… we had too many fights.

However, in the end, I never left him drowning in time’s mud and I never thought of separating from him. I hated him for his past habit, but I loved him so much for who he was and I still love him even more as he will never gamble again”.

It is easy to find many classical examples of a "daurr" condition in this World. Each of them is apparent in different times and in different forms.

Someone wrote for his daurr:

“I found that my country’s leader was the most hated person as a politician, but, at the same time, I found him to be the most admired person as a comedian and we really loved him as such.

Therefore, as a politician he stood in his actions as a figure of poor judgment… Nevertheless, our country cannot find another talented comedian-politician (a Com-poli) like him… Our nation continues to have, thanks to his performances and his unique sense of humor, a special time of enjoyment... He must be honored, for this great achievement, with the highest prize of performing arts.”

I think that, in all means, the sense of peace and friendship must be dominant in case of a DAURR.

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ComPoli
In English:

“ComPoli” = a term that is ironically used by many people to personify someone of high rank, especially a person working with Law and Order institutions, an important  politician or even a leader of a nation, who does not have good judgment in decisions related to very important political or legal issues.

A ComPoli, when in difficulty, frequently uses a sense of very high quality humor, gestures and meaningless expressions. In most cases, their ‘explanations’ are filled with gaffes and they do not feel comfortable, especially when speeches are held to an audience at a massive congregation. People, as a rule, laugh a lot at this ComPoli’s appearance and they stop thinking about their incapability to express their point of views, to attract someone to their cause or to lead the nation to progress.

In all cases, applause follow after each gaffe ends and the media keeps their poor judgments in the headlines for weeks.

In Albanian:

“ComPoli” = një term që përdoret në mënyrë ironike prej shumë njerëzve për theksimin e dikuj të rankut të lartë, veçanërisht një personi që punon me institucionet e Ligjit dhe Rregullit, një politikani të rëndësishëm apo edhe një udhëheqësi të një shteti, i cili nuk ka ndonjë gjykim të drejtë në ato problemet e rëndësishme që lidhen me politikën dhe ato të çështjeve legale.

Një ComPoli, kur është në vështirësi, e përdor në mënyrë të shpeshtë atë sensin e lartë të humorist, e shoqëruar kjo me gjeste dhe shprehje të pakuptim. Në shumicën e rateve, ‘shpjegimet’ e tyre janë të mbushura me gafa trashanike dhe ata nuk ndihen të qetë, veçanërisht kur fjalimet e tyre janë të mbajtura në dëgjues të mbledhjeve masive. Njerëzia, si një rregull, qeshë shumë me këtë prezantim të një ComPoli dhe ata e ndalojn të menduarit rreth paaftësisë me shpreh pikat e opinineve të tyre, me tërheqë dikë në kauzën e tyre apo me udhëheqë një komb drejt zhvillimit e përparimit. Në të gjitha rastet, pas çdo gafe që ata bëjnë, duartrokitjet pasojn dhe media, për javë të tëra, i mbanë në faqet e para të artikujve të saj ato gjykimet e tyre të dobëta.

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‘Pellazgët’ sipas literaturave të ndryshme
Nga çdo fjalor botëror, ne e gjejmë fjalën ‘Pellazgë’ në kuptimin e dhënë nga Grekët (Pelagios = të detit, dhe Pelasgians = banorët e detit), megjithëse këtë fjalë e gjejmë edhe në latinishten e vjetër, me po të njëjtin kuptim (Latin, ‘Pelagius’).

Në përkufizimin e vet rreth ‘Pellazgëve’ fjalorët japin përkufizimin:

'1-	Pelasgian = çdo anëtar i popujve të civilizimit të para- Helenik, të cilët banuan Greqinë dhe ato ishujt dhe brigjet e Detit Egje, përpara atyre arritjeve të Grekëve të Kohës së Bronxit…; 2-	Çdo gjë dhe në mardhënjet e këtyre popujve.'

Megjithëse, në një fjalor tjetër i konsideruar ky si një fjalor i botuar dhe i kontrolluar nga editorë internacional, ku vetë fjalori është cilësuar dhe titulluar ‘The Heritage Dictionary of English Language’, 1975 International Edition; Mc Graw-Hill International Book Company, p. 967, shkruhet se:

'“Pellasgët = sejcili nga popujt që jetuan në regjinin e Detit Egje, përpara ardhjes së Grekëve.” Pastaj, spjegohet se “kjo fjalë rrjedhë nga Greqishtja ‘pelasgoi’, që është një emër I disa vëndalinjëve me origjinë të panjohur, ku ka të ngjarë se kjo fjalë është e përpunuar nga ato burimet folklorike ndër vite dhe që duket se e ka kuptimin ‘popull i detit’ (Prej ‘Pelasgos = det)”'

Pra, nga sa lihet të kuptohet vetë shkencëtarët e këtyre lloj studimesh, nuk janë aspak të qartë nga e kanë prejardhjen e tyre ‘Pellazgët’ dhe se në cilën kohë ata na i zunë ata të ardhur, këto zona rreth brigjeve të Detit Egje.



Në ‘Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedia’ rreth ‘pellazgëve’ është shkruar:

'“ Pelasgians = një emër thënë për banuesit shumë të hershëm të Greqisë së Lashtë. Sipas thënjeve të Homerit, Pellazgët ishin banuesit e pare të Thessalisë, rreth Larisës. Por nga shkrimet e atyre të mëvonshëm, thuhet se Pellazgianët ishin të lokalizuar në Gadishullin e Peloponezit në Arakadia ose në Agros; gjithashtu ata jetuan në Attika, Kretë dhe Azinë e Vogël (Turqinë e sotme).

Disa të shkollave modern I njohin ata si banuesit e parë Ayrian në Greqi; disa të tjerë I njohin si ajo popullsi e zakonshme e Greqisë, si ata paraardhësit direktë të atij bashkimit të Grekëve me Romakët (Italianët)

Në kohët më të vonshme, termi ‘Pellazgë’ ka qënë përdorur të na tregojë një popull ndërtues të arkitekurave të ndryshme, sidomos të atyre të njohurat dhe quajturat ‘Cyclopean Architecture’ (Arkitektura e Ndërtesave të Mëdha).

Kështu disa shkencëtarë të këtyre studimeve besojnë se ‘Pellazgët ishin direktë përgjegjësa për atë ndërtimin e civilizimit Mikenas (Shih: Arti dhe Arkitektura Mikenase)

Kjo teori sidoqoftë nuk e ka fituar atë pranimin e shumicës së votive të shkencatarëve dhe historianëve rreth këtij mendimi”' (volume 19, faqe 6922).



Një tjetër shkrim në ‘The Columbia Encyclopedia’ shkruhet:

'“Pellazgët e kanë këtë emër të dhënë prej Homerit, për kuptimin e atyre banuesëve vëndalinjë jo-Grekë, por që i jetuan Greqisë, që i banuan asaj përpara Periudhës Mikenase.

Në shekullin e 5 B.C. (d.m.th. vitin 500 B.C.) Herodotus shkruante se fiset Pellazgiane jetonin në grupe të izoluara”' (Edicioni 3-të, shtypur 1968, faqe 1621)



Në ‘The New Encyclopedia Britannica’ ne gjejmë të shkruar rreth Pellazgëve:

'“Pelazg – Pellazgianët popuj që pushtuan dhe okupuan Greqinë përpara vitit 1200 B.C.

Ky emër është përdorur vetëm për Grekët e Vjetër…

Popujtë e Pellazgëve janë përmëndur prej disa shkrimtarëve të lashtë Grekë, duke përfshirë këtu Homerin, Herodotin (Herodotus) dhe Turqiditin (Thucydides), si ca njerëz të caktuar. Sipas tyre, ata kanë pushtuar shumë zona sikurse Trakinë, (Thrace) Argos, Kretën dhe Chalcidice.

Në shekullin e 5 B.C. (vitin 500 B.C.) ato fshatra që na i mbijetuan rrebesheve të kohës, na e ruajtën aktualisht atë traditën e asaj gjuhës së tyre, jo Greke.

Sidoqoftë, kjo është fare e paqartë në se ndonjë popull i asaj kohe të lashtë të e ketë thirrur vehten ‘Pellazgë’.

Më vonë, në emërtimin e ri Grek, këtë emërtim ‘Pellazgë’ ne e gjejmë të përdorur në kuptimin e të gjithë popujve të zonës së Detit Egje si, ‘Puro vëndali’…”' (Edicioni i 15-të; Volumi I 9-të, faqe 246).



Ndërsa në ‘Collier’s Encyclopedia’ shkruhet:

“Në mitollogjinë Greke, Pellazgianët quheshin ata para-ardhësit e hershëm të Grekëve… një emër ky që është marrë nga Pelasgus, ku sipas një version më të vonshëm Grek, ky mendohet të ketë qënë një i lindur i Tokës, ai djali apo nipi i Phoreneus të Argos” (shih: Phoreneus i Argos)(The Crowell-Collier Publishing Company, volumi 18, viti 1962, faqe 536)

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Pra, nga shohim në shkrimet rreth ‘Pellazgëve’, këtu nuk kemi një preçizim të saktë nga asnjë lloj shkencëtari, historian, arkeologu apo demografi ndonjë thënje të preçizuar në se Pellazgët na I jetuan një periudhe të caktuar dhe datuar, por kemi vetëm supozime dhe mendime se ata na ekzistuan…

Mendoj, se fjala ‘Pellazgë’ nuk ka të bëjë edhe aq shumë me Ilirianët e Lashtë… ku ky term po përdoret ndoshta gabim edhe në atë kuptimin e zgjeruar për ne, si një popull që kemi rrjedhur nga Pellazgët e Greqisë, atyre që u shpëtuan rrebesheve të Helenizimit dhe ju ngjitën atij veriut Grekë.

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‘The Pelasgian people’ as seen by the World’s most trusty literature
In every Wold’s dictionary we find the word ‘Pelasgian’, which is given by definition of a Greek word:

In ‘Collier Dictionary’ we find the word ‘Pelasgian’:

''1-	 a member of any of pre-Hellenic people (the Pelasgi) who inhabited Greece and the islands and the coasts of the Aegean Sea before the arrival of the Bronx Age Greeks; 2-	of or relating to this people.'' (Collier Dictionary, HarperCollins Publishers, Third Edition, 1991, p.1150)

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However, in another book, which is considered to be a cooperation of international editors, ‘The Heritage Illustrated Dictionary of the English Language’, is written:

“Pelasgian, one of the people living in the region of Aegean Sea before the coming of the Greeks [Greek Pelasgoi, native name of unknown origin probably reshaped by folk etymology as if to mean “sea people”, from pelages, sea] (‘The Heritage Illustrated Dictionary of the English Language’, 1975 International Edition; McGraw-Hill International Book Company, p. 967)

So, as it is cited about ‘Pelasgian’ people, from scientists, historians, archaeologists, demographists, politicians, analysts etc. we are not able to find any clear and sharp fact of any dated time, when this people lived.



In ‘Funk & Wagnalls Standard Reference Encyclopedia’ we find:

''“Pelasgean, a name applied to the very early inhabitants of ancient Greece. According to Homer, the Pelasgians were the inhabitants of Thessaly around Larissa, but by later writers they were located in the Peloponnesus, in Arcadia, or in Argos and also in Attica, Crete and Asia Minor. Some modern scholars regard them as the pre-Aryan inhabitants of Greece; others regard them as the common ancestors of the Greeks and the Italians. In more recent years the term “Pelasgian” has been employed to designate the builders of the so-called Cyclopean architecture (see Mycenæan Art and Architecture). Some scholars believe that the Pelasgians were responsible for the development of the Mycenæan civilisation; this is theory, however, has not won general acceptance”'' (‘Funk & Wagnalls Standard Reference Encyclopaedia’, 1973 Edition, Volume 19, page 6922).



About the Pelasgians people ‘The Columbia Encyclopedia’ writes:

''“Pelasgians, name given by Homer to aboriginal non- Greek inhabitants of Greece before the Mycenaean period. In the 5th century B.C. Herodotus wrote of Pelasgians living in isolated groups”'' (‘The Columbia Encyclopaedia’, Columbia University Press, 3rd Edition, 1968 printing, page 1621)



In the ‘The New Encyclopedia Britannica’ we find this information about the Pelasgians people:

'''“Pelasgi, also called Pelasgians, the people who occupied Greece before the 12th century B.C. The name was used only by ancient Greeks. The Pelasgi were mentioned as a specific people by several Greek authors, including Homer, Herodotus and Thucydides, and were said to have inhabited various areas, such us Thrace, Argos, Crete and Chalcidice. In 5th century B.C. the surviving villages apparently preserved a common non-Greek language. It is uncertain whether any ancient people actually called themselves Pelasgi. In later Greek usage their name was applied to all “aboriginal” Aegean populations.”''' (‘The New Encyclopaedia Britannica’, 15th Edition, Volume 19, page 246).



In the writing of ‘Collier’s Encyclopedia’ we do not find any specific information about the Pelasgians people, but we find similarities that give us some by side strong effects:

''1-	“Pelasgian Islands, a group of islands lying between Sicily and Africa, near Malta, and belonging to Italy…” 2-	“Pelasgus, in Greek mythology the ancestor of the Pelasgians, or earliest inhabitants of Greece. Pelasgus was said to have been born from the earth or, according to later versions, to have been the son or grandson of Phoroneus of Argos [see Phoroneus of Argos]'' (‘Collier’s Encyclopedia’, The Crowell-Collier Publishing Company, Volume 18, 1962, page 534 & 536).

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In a nutshell, we have many theories classifying them as:

-	‘an unknown origin’; -	‘coming from the far sea’; -	‘pre-Aryan people’; -	‘employed to designate the builders of the so-called Cyclopean architecture, responsible for the development of the Mycenæan civilisation’; -	‘living in isolated groups’; -	‘the name was used only by ancient Greeks’; -	‘the surviving villages apparently preserved a common non-Greek language’; -	‘it is uncertain whether any ancient people actually called themselves Pelasgi’; -	‘name given by Homer to aboriginal non- Greek inhabitants’; -	‘the name was applied to all “aboriginal” Aegean populations’ etc. That is letting us understand that nothing specific is applied with recorded dates to this people.

I think that the word ‘Pelasge’ has nothing to do with Illyrians (Albanian) people, as some of them are claiming themselves as descendant from ‘the Pelasgean people’.

Otherwise, we have to accept that our pre-ancestors were that people who survived those waves of Hellenic time, forcing the remaining of Pelasgean people villages, which is apparently thought to have preserved a common non-Greek language, to travel further north of Greece, into the land that is nowadays Albania.

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Maliq (Albania)
Maliq is a place 100 km south-east of Tiranë…

The Illyrians, the ancient Albanians pose many problems for archaeologists… A number of digs have been made at pre-historic sites since the Second World War.

''“At Maliq ancient dwellings have been excavated, proving that the Illyrians lived there from 2,800 B.C. – well before the arrival of Indo-Europeans. The vase is in human shape with painted geometrical decoration. The Illyrians must have maintained relations with Mycenae *, as objects characteristic of that civilisation have been found at the site.”'' (The World’s Last Mysteries – Reader’ Digest Second Edition, 1979; p. 298)

But, who really were Mycenaeans?

Mycenaean Civilisation was an ancient Aegean civilisation known from the excavations at Mycenae (located about 90 km south-west of Athens, in the north-eastern Peloponnese; Argos is 11 km to the south; Corinth 48 km to the north. From the hill on which the palace was located one can see across the Argolid to the Saronic Gulf.)

“The Mycenaeans themselves were influenced by civilization of Minoans, Crete, who were known the first major civilization in Europe.” (World History, ‘Tall Tree Ltd., London, ‘Parragon’ 2007 publishing, p. 26)

This Mycenaean civilization, as they gained strength of power, in 2,000 B.C. reached north of Greece and some Illyrian territory…

“The Mycenaeans entered Greece from the north or north-east estimated 2,000 B.C., displacing, seemingly without violence, the older Neolithic culture, which can be dated as early as 4,000 B.C. These Indo-European Greek-speaking invaders brought with them advanced techniques in pottery” (The Columbia Encyclopedia…)

Also, “From about 1,600 – 1,100 B.C., the Mycenaeans dominated mainland Greece…” (World History, ‘Tall Tree Ltd., London, ‘Parragon’ 2007 publishing, p. 27)

So, the pottery of Maliq, dated 2,800 B.C. is a very clear fact that the vase was a job done by native inhabitants rather than by any others influences of the invaders as claimed in the book “The World last Mysteries’… It is a fact that this vase is 800 years older than this invasion of The Mycenaeans into neighborhood territories.

''“The pottery of Maliq, on the other hand, resembles that of Anatolia*, in Turkey, and northern Greece. Curious little belt-shaped earthenware altars and vessels with handles and fluted bowls have been found which are unique to this area.”'' (The World’s Last Mysteries – Reader’ Digest Second Edition, 1979; p. 298)

Again, we face another false Anatolian attribution. Without any doubt, Anatolia (an old name for the nowadays Turkey – Anatolia means ‘Asia Minor’) is mentioned not only in historical books, but even in Bible, in some later stages, not the same time of those ancient Illyrians mentioned with vase of Maliq.

It is a fact that the Greeks and then Romans settled on the coast of Albania and built cities there… but Albanian had their own culture, existing in somehow in a parallel way with those that conquered them.

Some of the Illyrians joined Roman army or took up trades to serve these new colonies, but most of them did not become assimilated and sheltered in the mountains, leading a very primitive life up to recent times.

The excavations at Maliq have proved the antiquity of this Illyrian settlement, but so far little else is known about the people who once lived there.

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