User talk:Aee22

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Hello, Aee22, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as The Firehouse Restaurant, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted.

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Speedy deletion nomination of The Firehouse Restaurant
A tag has been placed on The Firehouse Restaurant, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. &mdash; Timneu22 · &#32; talk 18:27, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

July 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you removed a speedy deletion tag from a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, you can place a tag on the page, under the existing speedy deletion tag (please do not remove the speedy deletion tag), and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. &mdash; Timneu22 · &#32; talk 18:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey!
Hey. I just wanted to stop by and explain what's going on with the article you created. It may have a place on Wikipedia but it has some issues right now that will most likely lead to its quick deletion as one of the problems could be damaging to Wikipedia (the copyright violation). To solve all of the problems, we'll need to rewrite the article in your own words, remove all the "weasel words" and advertising from the article (if it's anything other than a fact, a reference has to be given to who has the opinion), and most importantly, we'll have to establish that the subject is notable. To show that the subject (the restaurant) is notable, we'll need at least two news articles that show significant coverage (not just a blurb) about the establishment from a reliable and independent source. The easiest way to do this is to do a Google News search unless you already have 2+ links from a local newspaper that has published stories about the restaurant.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them here or on the talk page of the article. Ol Yeller Talktome 19:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

The Firehouse Restaurant userfied
In response to a request from OlYeller21 I have userfied The Firehouse Restaurant. This means that, instead of deleting the article, i ahve moved it to User:Aee22/The Firehouse Restaurant to give you a chance to improve it, before moving it back to The Firehouse Restaurant. It is important to realise that this is only a temporary measure to allow you a little time, because otherwise the article would have been already deleted. In its present state the page is far too promotional in character to be acceptable as an article, and it will need to be improved fairly soon, or it will still be deleted. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Aee22. I'd like to offer my help with the article.  I've been an editor on WP for a while and may be able to give you some advice that mat ultimately make the article suitable for mainspace.  here is a link to the talk page of the copied article.  I'll be leaving some messages there about how the article can be improved.  If you ever want me to just leave you alone, feel free to say so; I won't be offended.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 12:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I had to revert some of your edits because the text you provided was still not written in an encyclopedic manner. More importantly, I feel that you contributing to the article would be a conflict of interest.  To avoid having to place a banner on the article to let readers know about the conflict of interest, I reverted your work and rewrote it on my own.  To avoid having this issue come up in the future, please post the changes you would like made here and I'll make them.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 02:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Ten22
A tag has been placed on Ten22 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you.  M e a g h a n ) ≈ 18:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
As you have made it clear that you have a conflict of interest regarding The Firehouse Restaurant, Ten 22, and Harvego Enterprises, I ask that you please not edit the pages any longer. If you wish to add something to the articles, please feel free to request an addition on your talk page (here) or on the talk pages of the articles. If you continue to edit these articles, I will be forced to mark them with the COI (conflict of interest) banner to inform readers that all or portions of what they are reading has been written by someone with a conflict of interests with Wikipedia. I've explained this to you several times. Is there something that you don't understand? Feel free to ask questions here. Ol Yeller Talktome 18:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't understand the issue if I use sources and base everything on fact. What is wrong with offering the history of a restuarant? At this point, I'd like to speak with a manager or someone else from Wikipedia. Also, to clarify - YOU have not told me anything repeatedly, and I do not appreciate being spoken to like I'm stupid. Your customer service and/or communication skills in general need work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aee22 (talk • contribs)


 * Well. First off, I'm a volunteer; if it sounded like I was some sort of customer service representative, it's because I was being overly nice and going out of my way to help you.  Second off, there's a lot you don't understand about how things work here and I don't have the time or desire to help you to understand.  Lastly, use this link to speak to management and I'm sure they'll do their best to help you.  Ol Yeller  Talktome`


 * I'll do my best to explain what I feel is going on in a way that doesn't make you feel belittled or "stupid". Wikipedia is a free, collaborative, and non-profit encyclopedia.  The Wikimedia Foundation has about 12 employees last I heard and their responsibilities do not cover editing of the encyclopedia at all.  Other than those 12, the thousands of people who edit here are volunteers.  There are no managers here.  There are no customers here.  The people here, including me, are here to improve the encyclopedia and not to make sure that your article is created, that you're understanding what's happening here, that you're happy here, or basically anything else.  No one here owes you anything other than maybe civility.  The comments I left for you, the help I gave you on the article that you wanted to create (read: wrote myself), and the time I spent watching your talk page to see if you had questions was because I was going out of my way to try and be helpful to you.  I'm not trying to praising myself or even asking for a simple 'thank you' but it's obvious that you feel some sort of entitlement that, put quite simply, hurts my feelings.  I could have used the editing style that's very common on Wikipedia: helping the encyclopedia and not worrying about your feelings in the slightest.  No one is watching your page anymore to try and help you.  If you want to "talk to someone else" to ask for help, go for it.


 * As for the issues with the article that you have created, here's the best explanations that I can come up with. Not everything has a place on Wikipedia.  There are policies and guidelines regarding what makes something worthy (for lack of a better word) of being on Wikipedia and those guidelines are commonly referred to as notability guidelines.  The basic idea is that, if reliable (has its own definition on Wikipedia) and independent (not your website) sources have written about the subject (in this case, the companies you represent), then it has a place on Wikipedia.  That basically means that if a newspaper, magazine, etc. has written about your subject, it's notable.  The second problem was that what you posted was blatant advertising.  In short, it wasn't written in a way that's suitable for a Wikipedia.  Lastly and probably most importantly, it was a copyright violation.  The website that you wrote the text for, owns that text meaning that Wikipedia would be stealing it by using it.  We can't simply take your word for it that you own it.  There are ways around this (the website can officially give Wikipedia permission) but even if permission was given, it's not written in a way that's suitable for an encyclopedia.  Also, the Ten22 article you created had no content so it was deleted by someone else but I suspect that you were in the process of creating the page and didn't have enough time to do what you wanted.


 * This is where I would usually say something like, "if you have questions about those policies and guidelines, feel free to ask here and I'll do my best to explain them" but I don't really feel the desire to help you any longer. Ol Yeller  Talktome 14:19, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's an analogy: You walked into a room full of artists working on a painting, shoved your brush in and made some changes, and when someone volunteered to pulled you aside to explain a very easily misunderstood situation, you asked to speak to their manager. Ol Yeller  Talktome 14:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
About the way you were treated by User:OlYeller21. In OlYeller's defense, they were trying to be helpful, however, it is perfectly understandable that a new editor would not know how this place works (it is very confusing to new editors, and some policies that do make sense do not seem obvious on their face.) The link provided was quite inappropriate.

We do have strong policies related to copyright and conflicts of interest. If you would like me to help you with articles where you may have a conflict, let me know here. Real life is keeping me quite busy, but I'll see what I can do.-- SPhilbrick  T  14:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's an analogy: You walked into a room where a number of people were working on a group painting. A large sign reads - "Anyone can contribute". You grabbed a brush and started contributing. Someone slapped your hand, painted over your contribution, and when you understandably wanted to speak to someone in charge, you were laughed at for such a silly thought. If I were in your shoes, I'd be fuming. Let me know if I can help.-- SPhilbrick  T  14:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say it was that speedy but yes, my actions weren't in the best taste and I'm sorry for that. Sphil, I'm not sure that you understand how much time I spent attempting to help this editor.  I attempt to help new editors very often and I've never felt so unappreciated in my time here at WP.  I'm not saying that I help for the appreciation but when someone throws my help back into my face, I get hurt.  There was a few days of time where I pointed out the issues that needed to be addressed and after they weren't, I attempted to do the work myself (paint over their work).
 * I'm sorry Aee22, I was rude and shouldn't have been. I regret my actions and hope that you can find Wikipedia a place where you would like to contribute your time.  I hope Sphilbrick is able to answer any questions you have.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 15:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)