User talk:AeonFluxus

Any random comments you want to leave for me put them here:
A place to chat about anything and everything AeonFluxus (talk) 15:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

March 2024
Please be aware that linking to a PDF that violates copyright is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please don't do it again. I refer to the Google docs pdf of The Magical Revival. Linking to copyright violations can lead to you being blocked from editing. Skyerise (talk) 11:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Also please note that Starry Wisdom Lodge was a Caliphate Ordo Templi Orientis lodge, not a Typhonian OTO lodge so I have removed all that section as off-topic. Use the further reading to find sources that are actually about TOTO, not COTO please. Skyerise (talk) 12:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Please also note that it is considered uncool to remove maintenance templates such as without fixing the indicated problem. I have restored the empty but very needed section headed "Work of the order". Please don't remove it again. Skyerise (talk) 13:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated. I'm still learning the ropes of Wikipedia and meant no disrespect to the page or Wikipedia. I'll do my best to learn from your example. I just thought the page was severely lacking and wanted to do what I could to bring novel info to it but I get all 3 of your points they're sound. Being an ex-OTO member who was with people who were in Starry Wisdom (Phoenix Lodge) I do want to state that there's an interesting history of Typhonian material influencing the COTO and that some of it goes full circle. If I can think of a way of presenting the information I have with proper sources and justification I'll run it past you first before editing. Take care.
 * All the best,
 * Aeon
 * P.S:
 * BTW I saw on your page you were writing about Yahweh's history I'd highly recommend PHD Dr. Justin Sledge's video "Who is Yahweh - How a Warrior-Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World Monotheism" on his channel Esoterica. Below the next paragraph are the sources/recommended reading he included in his video description to give you can idea of the scholarly perspective he takes:
 * I also saw mentions of the OTO and Illuminati. That info used to be on the OTO page but was removed, I put it back in a while ago with references confirming Reuss' previous activities and the currently used Manifesto declaring as much. If you haven't seen it yet I highly recommend The Secret School of Wisdom: The Authentic Ritual and Doctrines of the Illuminati which translated many Illuminati texts from their original German for the first time. One of the authors/editors was OTO member Jeva Singh who was a lovely person but battled with depression and sadly ended his own life. This presentation given at a Masonic Lodge uses it as the basis for their historical/academic overview of the Illuminati (if you'd rather watch something than buy the book): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eku5SeS67dA&list=PL6YNzTfwfFGVpJW8MdLYg3HIXHBCnRtWi
 * Sources from the Esoterica video: Smith - The Early History of God - 978-0802839725 Smith - The Origins of Biblical Monotheism - 978-0195167689 Cross - Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic - 978-0674091764 Dever - Beyond the Texts: An Archaeological Portrait of Ancient Israel and Judah - 978-0884142188 Dever -  Has Archaeology Buried the Bible? - 978-0802877635 Day - Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan - 978-0826468307 Stavrakopoulou - God: An Anatomy - 978-1509867356 Lewis - The Origin and Character of God - 978-0197687543 Zevit - The Religions of Ancient Israel: A Synthesis of Parallactic Approaches - 978-0826463395 AeonFluxus (talk) 17:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You might want to join WikiProject Thelema. Although it is currently inactive, there are a couple other occasional editors of Thelema-related topics. Skyerise (talk) 16:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. I'll certainly take look. As well as being ex-OTO I'm no longer a practicing Thelemite (in any Crowleyian sense anyway) but I was quite dedicated to the tradition for around 15 years before I felt it was best I move on (taking what jived with me and leaving the rest behind). I'll lurk and learn for a bit before first chatting with the others if I consider taking action on anything. I do not want to repeat the issues you pointed out with my previous changes which were much appreciated constructive criticism. Take care. AeonFluxus (talk) 19:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Leaving the OTO is perhaps one of the most Thelemic things one can do! Skyerise (talk) 21:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Most true! AeonFluxus (talk) 15:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Thelema
In particular, if you have anything to contribute to a biography of Helen Parsons Smith or would be willing to research her enough to create a stub article (must have 2 good sources), that's probably the biggest gap in coverage that needs to be addressed. Skyerise (talk) 16:16, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I already went ahead and started it. Another needed article is Mary d'Este Sturges. Skyerise (talk) 17:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Magical organization
I reverted you edits for multiple reasons. First, this is essentially a list article. It is not the place for disputable historical details. Those details belong in Ordo Templi Orientis and/or Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, not in a simple list of organizations, which is intended simply to list the more easily established facts: who, what, when and where. No organization should be given significantly more space or weight than each of the rest have, per WP:DUE. Second, when you add citations to an article, you are supposed to do it in the same style that is predominant in the article. The article in question uses listed sources in the Works cited section, with linked short citations using templates. New material needs to be cited the same way, not using tags. Third, sources need to be third-party: we don't cite material about an organization to that organization's website or the writings of officials of the organization itself. Independent third-party sources are what is required, like biographies and histories written by outside observers.

There are two whole articles for detailed history, and I'm pretty sure that history is already detailed in those articles. We don't repeat it in an article that is simply intended to help the reader find the main article. Skyerise (talk) 03:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Understandable. I'm still learning the ins and outs of wiki etiquette. Thanks for your time AeonFluxus (talk) 19:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


 * No problem. If those details are not in the appropriate places in Ordo Templi Orientis and Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, you could add them there. I've been working on Liber OZ recently. Perhaps you would be willing to read the article then stop by Talk:Liber OZ and give your feedback? I welcome your input and improvements, so I suggest maybe you could put it on your watchlist? There are almost no active editors from WikiProject Thelema these days, so most articles on Thelema could use monitoring for vandalism and so forth, if you'd like to help with that. Skyerise (talk) 20:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)