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Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. Publishers
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About Mary Ann Liebert, Inc.
Hi, your article on Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. Publishers already exist on another article and while both titles seems legitimate. I suggest to ask them which title is the correct one. After that, you can move the text to either article and post a redirect tag on the other. thank you for your contribution.--Janarius 14:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not allow advertising. The more you add to the article, the more it is likely to be deleted as spam. We certainly do not need the long list of publications - link to the list on the company's website. Copyright-wise, by creating it you have licensed it under the GFDL. -- RHaworth 14:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There is absolutely no justification for two separate articles - Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. Publishers should remain as a redirect. -- RHaworth 14:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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 * Got your email. Generally speaking, unless there's something sensitive going on, I prefer to hold discussions like this on Wikipedia via User talk pages.  Wikipedia uses an exact search rather than a fuzzy search, so searching for something that isn't exactly the article title may not give you the results you want.  I'll create a redirect at Mary Ann Liebert to aid navigation.  I think the article (not "listing" - Wikipedia is not a directory) is already good enough that any complaints about it are addressable and it shouldn't be deleted, so don't worry about that.  Also, please see WP:OWN -- articles don't belong to anyone.  User:Benbest was actually the one who put up the article in the first place.   Mango juice talk 16:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Conflict of interest and other policies
I see that JonHarder left you a message regarding Wikipedia's link policies but you went ahead and added some more links anyway, necessitating his second request. After looking at these and some of the other Liebert-related messages, I want to emphasize Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory or a Yellow Pages. In fact, it's not a lot of things; see What Wikipedia is not, especially:
 * Wikipedia is not a directory
 * Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files
 * Wikipedia is not a soapbox:
 * "Self-promotion. You are free to write about yourself or projects you have a strong personal involvement in. However, do remember that the standards for encyclopedic articles apply to such pages just like any other, including the requirement to maintain a neutral point of view, which is difficult when writing about yourself. Creating overly abundant links and references to autobiographical articles is unacceptable. See Autobiography, Notability and Conflict of interest."
 * "Advertising. Articles about companies and products are acceptable if they are written in an objective and unbiased style. Furthermore, all article topics must be third-party verifiable, so articles about very small "garage" or local companies are not likely to be acceptable. External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they can serve to identify major corporations associated with a topic (see finishing school for an example). Please note Wikipedia does not endorse any businesses and it does not set up affiliate programs. See also WP:CORP for guidelines on corporate notability."

Please take a look at these following Wikipedia rules and procedures:
 * Conflict of interest -- In a nutshell you should not be editing your own article or adding links to your web sites.
 * Spam -- in particular:
 * External link spamming
 * Warning spammers -- Jon has already started politely working you through this sequence
 * WikiProject Spam -- trust me, you don't want to get these people's attention as a "project"
 * External links
 * meta:Talk:Spam blacklist -- the Wikimedia global spam blacklist blocks all links on all Wikipedia and related sites (Wiktionary, foreign language Wikipedia versions, etc). The ultimate and inevitable shutdown for persistent link spammers

We would love it if you stuck around to make edits other than those promoting your own business, but in the meantime, I think you stick to the conflict of interest guideline, refraining from editing articles related to your company or adding links to your publications. --A. B. 20:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I also notice that multiple accounts are being used to add these links; on Wikipedia, this is called sock puppetry (or a variant, meat puppetry). Please see Sock puppetry; using multiple accounts to get around policies is not allowed. --A. B. 21:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Self-promotional linking by multiple accounts
This account is just one of at least 3 accounts being used to add links to various Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. publications:

Collectively, these accounts have received multiple requests to stop self promotional activity for this company. See "Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam" for more details. --A. B. 21:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for for your response
I think we all feel reassured by your response at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam. --A. B. 02:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

We did not mean continue as you were - Please stop spamming
This is your last warning. The next time you insert a spam link, as you did in Breastfeeding, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted from Wikipedia. --Siobhan Hansa 17:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's worldwide blacklist of spammers - could you be next?
Please see the discussion of Wikipedia's global spam domain blacklist and decide if this is something you want to pursue. Links to domains added to this list are blocked not only in the English language version of Wikipedia but also in every other language version plus all other Wikipedia Foundation projects such as Wikihow, Wiktionary, etc.

It's permanent.

Think about it.

Cheers,

--A. B. 17:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * We are totally confused as to why the addition to the breastfeeding page is considered "Spam" & we are now threatened with being blacklisted. It seemed entirely appropriate.  Having said this, we have no plans to add any more info to this or any other area on wikipedia.
 * Aetkin 17:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * To address your confusion -- there was a long discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam You and a colleague were asked not to add links to your publications and advised of Wikipedia's rules, but your organization continued to do so. Finally after multiple warnings, you wrote this note:


 * Hope I am doing this right as I am still very new to this!
 * Regarding the above communications regarding the recent flurry of activity as far as adding various Liebert info/links to Wiki, I must take most responsibility & offer apologies. My/our intent was never to "spam" or abuse wiki in any way. We find wiki (as many do) to be an increasingly important resource to all & simply wanted to add our resources in the appropriate categories for any who would be interested. Tom Mulak is indeed at the company with me & we both had been asked to take this on as a sort of project. I do not personally know Ben Best, but it seems he is someone outside the company who is aware of our presence in the industry & added various info on us of his own accord. I actually thank him for this! I had not responded to JonHarder (& others) sooner as 1, I really did not know how (I'm still unsure if this is the correct way) & I only saw his message (& others) after I'd finished adding what we thought were links within the wiki guidelines....um....yes.....I think we are "done" for now. ;-)
 * Please accept my sincere apologies & let me know what we can do to "fix" things or if we should just leave all as is for now.
 * Aetkin 01:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * We thought  this meant the end of Mary Ann Liebert's spamming. Then you added another link to one of your publications eight days later. I wrote the above because I was very much concerned this might continue. I wanted to ensure you knew that after a certain point, the whole process moved beyond just a bunch of volunteer editors telling you to knock off the spam. When those efforts fail, (and as of 26 October, they still weren't working with Mary Ann Liebert) then there's not much choice but to block links.


 * While it's unclear anything is going to come of it, there has been talk of making our black list available to search engine operators; see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam.


 * For everybody's sake, I don't think any of us wants to see you head further down this road but the ball is in your court. I encourage you to read the links posted earlier to Wikipedia's rules on conflicts of interest, links, etc. I don't think it should be hard for you to just never add a link to one of your publications again, so your domains are in no danger of blacklisting unless you (or your staff) either add another such link or break another of the conflict-of-interest rules. --A. B. 18:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I added 1 more link as requested by my supervisors. I was not aware someone else had previously tried to add to this topic & had it removed.  I have informed them of our recent communications & advised them very strongly to STOP & NOT attempt to add anything else to wiki.  I definitely agree blacklisting would not be in our best interest!  I will not be adding anything as it pertains to the company or publications & hope others in the office do the same & listen to my advise.  Thanks.

Aetkin 18:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)