User talk:Aferditaa

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I hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Feel free to write a note on the bottom of my talk page if you want to get in touch with me. Again, welcome! — Diannaa (talk) 13:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * hey @Diannaa, thank you for the warm welcome and for the insightful information about copyrights! I know I cited sources, plus I'm not sure which section has been copied extensively - could you please clarify and provide the part where I violated copyright rules? It would be helpful so that if it is in fact a violation, I don't do it again in the future! Thank you  Aferditaa (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Aferditaa, did you really intend to leave that templated message on Diannaa's talk page? You should read what that template says again; it makes you sound much less reasonable than you sound here.  Ignoring the template (with its 100% silly suggestion that she made a test edit), you seem to be implying (here, and there) that when you add material that is partially copied from somewhere else, and partially not, it is Diannaa's responsibility to tell you which part is which.  But this is easy to do yourself.  The part that violates copyright is the part you directly copied from the source, and then tweaked every 5th word.  You would know better than she which part that was.  But in this case it appears to be all of it.  The entire thing you added is close paraphrasing. In some places you might have made more of an effort, and in some places less, but it's all close paraphrasing.  Please read that link, and then follow the recommendations there. Floquenbeam (talk) 16:07, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Floquenbeam, thanks for your input, though I respectfully disagree with the idea that it violated copywrite infringement. Unfortunately, I can't prove this, as not only has the contribution been deleted, but the diff has been removed from the record as well. Considering it isn't accessible anymore, I'm not sure how you're able to claim that I "directly copied from the source, and then tweaked every 5th word." I'm pretty new to wikipedia so I admit that I may have made a mistake, but I was asking about specifically where. Can you show me? Nevertheless, I'll try to add the information again, and be much more careful this time. I'll take a look at the copywrite rules in more detail as well.
 * Regarding the templated warning that I left on @Diannaa's page, I posted it for 3 main reasons:
 * 1. When looking what has been removed, I noticed that an unrelated contribution - an image and caption of of stefan dusan's code of laws highly relevant to the section it was inserted in - was removed without cause or explanation. There was also no attempt to address any of the issues on the talk page.
 * 2. I responded to dianaa (above) asking for clarification (since she made the accusation) in an attempt to address the conflict and come to a resolution, but then the revision history of my contributions was deleted from the public record and the diffs are no longer accessible.
 * 3. I looked up how to settle/respond to these types of disputes appropriately; official wikipedia guidelines instruct you to address the issue directly, and give a warning. I chose the level 2 deletion warning because it is the most accurate - it doesn't assume negative intentions but also acknowledges it was not accidental. Regarding the bit about suggesting that a test edit was made, I don't see how that's relevant but its a default message meant to be informative - it says if that was the intended case, not that it was indeed the case. I fugred wikipedia included it for a reason so it was left there.
 * Should this user continue to delete my work and revision history after I've submitted information that is in accordance with the wikipedia rules on citation and copywrite law, I will continue to abide by the wiki guidelines on settling these disuputes/reporting these instances appropriately. Thank you! Aferditaa (talk) 16:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I can understand why a new user wouldn't know that they can't close paraphrase. But I don't understand how a new user could say that it's possible they did that accidentally, but don't remember, but in any case it surely must be someone else's fault that the material was deleted.
 * Sorry, but there is simply no way that you created that text without copying it from that source, and then slightly changing the wording of every sentence by a few words. That's close paraphrasing, and it's essentially impossible to do without knowing that's what you're doing.  Every sentence had a very similarly worded corresponding sentence in the source.  In the same order.
 * I can see the deleted text because I'm an admin. I can't show you what part of the text was OK and what part wasn't, because it was the entire thing.  It is not reasonable to think that it is someone else's responsibility to go thru your edit, and make sure they don't delete the 5% that was not a copyright violation.  It is your responsibility to not create the copyright violation.  In any case, it would make no sense to leave a context-free image in a section where all the text was removed.
 * Blatant copyright violations are not a topic for talk page discussion, they are simply removed. The copyright violations are removed from the history as well, so that no one can just revert to that previous version.  I would hope that whatever official Wikipedia guidelines you are looking at don't say you should leave warning templates for people who did the right thing.  If Diannaa continues to remove copyright violations, she will be thanked, not get in trouble.  If the wording of the warning template doesn't apply, then don't use it.
 * I will never understand why so many new users, when faced with a very kind and helpful note about a mistake they made, will take the position that they understand Wikipedia policy better than people who have been here 15 years. Floquenbeam (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi @Floquenbeam You've again failed to show me even one segment of what I wrote that was copy and pasted, plus you've ignored the other unjust deletion that I mentioned (see bullet point 1 from my message above).
 * If your comment was meant to be so very kind and helpful, you'd have shown me an example by now - even just 1- like I asked for, where I said I'd like to avoid such a mistake in the future. And if the entirety of the 4 separate contributions that I made violated copywrite rules, one would be able to provide an example. At the very least, for the sake of being constructive and helpful.
 * BTW, if someone accuses someone, the accuser usually provides facts and examples to prove the accusation. The burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the person defending. This isn't Sharia law. You say it's ridiculous for someone to go through my edit to prove their point - but shouldn't they have gone through my edit to make the accusation in the first place? This logic isn't making much sense here.
 * P.s, it's unfortunate that after 15 years of being active on here, and coming from a position of power, the very first comment you make to a new user is regarding their personal attributions rather than the content itself (using words like "you sound", calling me "unreasonable," or "silly" even. I do not need opinions from you about how I look or sound, as they have entirely no value. Please refrain from making comments like those; I would recommend taking another glance at the code of conduct here before posting a comment.
 * I look forward to making more contributions and I welcome any and all constructive criticism. Thank you! Aferditaa (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I did address that specific point already; as I already said, it would make no sense to leave a context-free image that you inserted into a section that was 100% copyright violation. And it is not reasonable to expect someone else to save the 5% of your edit that wasn't a copyvio.  I can believe you didn't originally know close paraphrasing was wrong, but it is unethical gamesmanship to know now that you did something wrong, but still demand I spend time proving you did something you know you did.  Come on. The entire paragraph you added on "Nemanjić Dynasty" was copied from the bottom paragraph of page 8 of the Vickers reference you used. Every single sentence you added, in the same order.  With small tweaks to some of the wording. Half of the paragraph "Conversion under Stefan Dušan" was taken from the same place, and the other half was written by a previous editor and you just moved their text to your section (that part is OK).  I've restored the part someone else wrote.  If you want to add the image to the current article, feel free.  I'm not being aggressive because you made a mistake.  I'm being aggressive because you're behaving dishonestly in response to Diannaa's message.  Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Floquenbeam (talk) 18:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that, thank you!
 * And again, please stop with the offensive language/comments 😢 Aferditaa (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Aferditaa. Diannaa here. One of your edits was flagged by our copyright detection system, and since there's a copy of the source document here I was able to do a comparison using Earwig's tool. Below is an example of what I found. (There was further overlap in the following paragraph as well.) Overlapping content is shown in Bold.

Source document:

Your addition:

So, you presented the same ideas in the same order using almost identical wording. That's a copyright violation. — Diannaa (talk) 22:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)