User talk:Afernand74/Archives/2020/April

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Citation page
Hello, thanks for adding this citation. Is it possible to add the page number as well? I'm thinking about taking it to a GA status some time, and usually a more precise citation is preferred. I can't check it myself because it seems hard to get access to this book. HaEr48 (talk) 21:39, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I was interested in adding the reference to the original work but couldn't locate the book. Sorry for that. After doing some extra research, I found the website of the author and a vreference/link to a more recent article of the author. I added it to the article for your consideration. I also added the ref of the book published by N&K for traceability purposes. Thanks for your work on this important article.--Afernand74 (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The problem is that the online article is self-published, which is discouraged due to WP:SELFPUB. For a normal article it would be fine given the author's credential, but because I have GA in mind I think we should aim for a higher standard. The passage you added reference to is already referenced to a secondary source. Probably the Abdali article and N&K book can go to the further reading section, what do you think. HaEr48 (talk) 12:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that its preferable to avoid self-published papers. Putting the article in the "further reading" section could a solution but considering that Bilici (see Bilici 2012 p. 55, Wired and many other scholars are all linking to the same PDF (hosted on patriot.net), it should be possible to claim an exception to SELFPUB. Finally, I think the Abdali's article mentionned on the wikipage is the 1997 paper and not the 1978 book. I modified the article to make it clear it is a self-published resource.
 * I also would personally leave the N&K book in the "Reference" section considering that the article says explicitly that N&K "published a book" and that readers should be able to identify the book the article is talking about (not available on Worldcat apparently).
 * What do you think?--Afernand74 (talk) 13:59, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. I would still add them to the further reading section, and then in-text add some efn footnotes saying, "see " or something like that. That would still give readers pointers to the original work, without appearing that we're citing self-published work. It'll be a while before I nominate for GA (still waiting for WP:GOCER to clean up my grammar), once it's time I'll think of a way of cleaning up the referencing. HaEr48 (talk) 00:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)