User talk:Affenbart

The Takeaway
A user named Campbellgirl has repeatedly deleted my edits on the article about "The Takeaway" a radio program from PRI produced at WNYC-FM. I strongly suspect that she is an employee of the show, or personally connected. If I am the one to undo her most recent edits it will simply turn into a duel. I don't know what to do next, could some disinterested third party just have a look? For perspective you should also take a look at "The Mix" to see what I am talking about there. Also please look at Campbellgirl's talk page to see where she has done these things in the past. Thank you. I am hoping for a referee here.

--Affenbart (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there. The first thing to try (if you haven't) is, try to discuss it with the user. Put your thoughts on Talk:The Takeaway, and then leave a note on the talk page of, asking them to discuss the edits on the talk page. Put a link like I did here, with.


 * Such discussions work suprisingly often; stick to discussing the content, nothing personal, and try to reach a WP:CONSENSUS. It might take a while, but that's ok, because there is no deadline.


 * If discussions to break down, then see the WP:DISPUTE policy. This isn't half as complex as it sounds, and explains exactly how you can ask for a third opinion, as well as other options.


 * I'm not trying to 'back out' of getting involved in this one - I'll be quite happy to help more, and discuss it with the other user myself - but the first step certainly has to be to try and engage in a dialogue.


 * For more help, you can either;


 * Leave a message on my own talk page;
 * Use another here;
 * Talk to us live, with this or this.

Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  19:11, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

 Chzz  ►  16:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

...and again, as above :-)  Chzz  ►  04:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

William K. Black
Last night I watched Bill Moyers' Journal on PBS-TV, and the main guest was William K. Black. He was amazing, insightful, and scary. He seemed to be telling the truth about our current banking crisis in a way I have never heard anyone tell it.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/cmaukonen/2009/04/bill-moyers-william-k-black-an.php?ref=reccafe

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black

He has written a book titled "The Best Way to Rob a Bank is to Own One."

I tried to find the Wiki on this interesting person and couldn't find one. I am afraid my skills are too primitive -- I know that if I started a page other people could flesh it out and fix it. But I really don't even know where to start.

Affenbart (talk) 02:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, if you'd like to make a page for William K. Black, you can just go ahead and type in the title in the search bar on the left. When it pops up that no such page exists, you would see a red link on that page Create the page. You can go ahead and click on that to get the edit box to begin. If you don't really know how to edit Wikipedia, reading Your first article is a good place to start. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. -- PEPSI2786 talk 02:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Dear Affenbart, thank you very much for the article about William K. Black! Regards from Prague, JanSuchy (talk) 22:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The page for William K. Black has a request for a photo. I have received a photo from the P.R. Dept. of the Chancellor's Office at UMKC (where Black is on the faculty) stating that I can use it. At this point can I simply claim to own the image while uploading it or do I need to get them to use some specific language? I have looked at the Wikimedia rules and find them difficult to understand. Here is the text of the letter with names deleted. I think their intention is quite clear from this:

My name is Xxx Yyy, and I work in the University of Missouri-Kansas City public relations department. Bill Black had said you needed a photo of him, and I’ve attached black and white and color photos. Let me know if this works. Thanks, Xxx Yyy Senior Public Relations Specialist Office of the Chancellor University of Missouri-Kansas City Affenbart (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The above will not be sufficient; I suggest you use my boilerplate email to get clear permission. user:chzz/help/myboilerplate.


 * For more help, you can either;


 * Leave a message on my own talk page;
 * Use another ;
 * Talk to us live, with this or this.


 * Best wishes,  Chzz  ►  20:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Chzz, I am working on it now.

Affenbart (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Mayors
Hi There

I recently added a lot of information to the page "Mayors of New Brunswick, New Jersey" and decided to also add a new page, "Mayors of Highland Park, New Jersey." Here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Highland_Park%2C_New_Jersey

Then I tried to do an internal link to the Highland Park, NJ article using the phrase "The mayor of Highland Park is Meryl Frank"

It didn't work, and when I looked in the index, my new page isn't there.

Do I just wait for it to be recognized or do I have to actively do something, other than just making the page?

[helpme]

Thank you

Affenbart.

PS my email is email removed, it's easier for me to get the reply that way but I will come back here as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Affenbart (talk • contribs) 15:43, May 31, 2007


 * It's now fixed. You need to type the the exact title of the article in order to link to it. Otherwise you would only have a red link :) I hope this helps. PeaceNT 15:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:555y.jpg)
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William K. Black
 Chzz  ►  00:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Spotlight
Hi there. Hopefully you'll remember me, from my trying to help you; well, now it's my turn to ask for help.

I'm trying to help re-launch an idea called "Spotlight". The notion is to select an article and work on it collectively, via live discussion, for one week. If lots of people get involved, it can work really well; in the past, the project died off through lack of participants. Anyone can help out, because that's the whole point - we have many and varied skills, but between us, we can do amazing things. So - please join the channel, and add yourself to the participants in WP:SPOTLIGHT. Thanks for your time!  Chzz  ►  22:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Jun Choi
I was just editing the Jun Choi page -- he was the mayor of Edison for 4 years and was defeated in 2009. At present he does not hold public office and I don't think he has aspirations. The Wiki about him has been a constant see-saw of edits between people who hate him and people who think he is a saint. I am wondering if we even need an article about him any more?? FWIW I live in a nearby town, not in Edison, and I have no strong feelings either way, I think both sides are being petty and ridiculous. If we could just have a bland little article stating the facts that would be fine but it just doesn't seem to be possible, if you look at the edits and the Discussion page. I don't know how to nominate the article for deletion, or what the best solution is. Edits were frozen for a while on that page because of all the back and forth.


 * Hi there, Affenbart. I can fix your troubles. My name is Chzz, and I will resolve this.


 * 1) Please talk to us live, with this
 * 2) Vector toolbar with signature button.png you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. You can also do this by clicking the 'sign' button, pictured to the right.. Also, please add new questions/comments/whatever here, at the end of your talk page
 * 3) Jun Choi is unlikely to be deleted, because it appears to meet notability guidelines
 * 4) There are lots of ways to resolve it.
 * 5) If it gets personal, we can warn and WP:BLOCK


 * For disagreements, the talkpage is the right place. there is no deadline; stay calm, and talk about it

No. 1 - talk to us, with this.  Chzz  ► 00:34, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Slanderous material in the Scott Walker article
One of the protest signs states that he was asked to leave because of cheating. If that is true, that probably should be on the page. That would be consistent with his not obtaining a degree. Affenbart (talk) 04:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not allow the addition of unreliably sourced comments about living people. The poster of a union thug is not a reliable source. I will provide you an opportunity to provide a reliable source for your damaging material and if you cannot provide one then this comment will be removed.--Corbridge (talk) 09:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

The correct straw-man word choice would be "libelous" material. It appears Affenbart was asking a question, not making a statement (see: "if that is true...") Thus, he can hardly be accused of either libel (written or published untrue defamation) or slander (spoken untrue defamation) since he is not claiming anything to be true, merely asking whether it is. In the future, please try to assume good faith.--Snarfherder (talk) 04:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the rules of the Wikipedia are very clear that you cannot when a living person is involved place potential false or or libelous material on Wikipedia anywhere, that includes talk pages and other places. Also, when it appears anywhere there will be a discussion about what supports the claim and if a reliable source cannot be provided then it will be removed.  So far there is no RS provided.--Corbridge (talk) 20:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The point is that he was not claiming anything to be true. He was simply asking whether something was true, and indicating a course of action should it be found to be true.  This is not in violation of any "rules of Wikipedia," and is precisely the type of question that should arise in an article's talk page.  The fact that there are no reliable sources is further evidence that it should remain on a talk page; this will indicate that the information has been discussed and found unverifiable.--Snarfherder (talk) 22:30, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This is where you are wrong. There is no right of anyone to write on the talk page or anywhere else something to the effect that "I heard so and so murdered so and so and that is why they aren't around any longer." This is inappropriate and it must be removed immediately. Now, granted Affenbart's comment is less over the top, but clearly quoting a poster at a protest as your source for a clearly false claim is inappropriate. Affenbart should have done a basic search on the Internet before for such a libelous statement before Affenbart decided to put the libelous. It is similar to the inappropriate question that lawyers use in court, "So when did you stop beating your wife?" The assumption is the person being asked the question of course beat his wife. It was inappropriate and I called Affenbart out on it appropriately.--Corbridge (talk) 00:52, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from making straw-man arguments. None of the statements you mentioned are analogous to bringing up a potentially true (but poorly referenced) statement for further verification.  Since no legitimate references have been found, we can assume for these purposes that the statement is false.  However, the fact that the protest sign is false does not mean that it is libelous. Similarly, asking whether it was true or false is not libelous, since the intent was clearly not defamation but rather to seek verification for a possibly untrue statement.  Neither is the statement "clearly false," as you have implied, since it is a perfectly legitimate question to ask why he chose to leave with no degree after attending for 4 years.  The only grounds for removing this would be that it is a questionable statement which has already been addressed.  If so, a reference must be made to the original discussion. --Snarfherder (talk) 01:52, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You really are a tiresome defender of horrible editing practices. And your defenses are incorrect and off the wall. Affenbart should have never asked the question. Discussion over. I will monitor Affenbart's edits going forward and if there is a history of making troubling allegations then it will be taken to the next level.--Corbridge (talk) 04:23, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate it if you refrain from making ad-hominem attacks against me or other editors. The fact that you agree or disagree with a position is not grounds for acerbic statements regarding the poster of said position.  If you disagree with a statement, kindly provide a refutation.  Responding in the manner in which you have chosen seems both counterproductive to the efforts of other Wikipedians and generally confusing, since it becomes very difficult to provide a constructive response.--Snarfherder (talk) 07:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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