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Loupé ! (missed ! in French)
Bonjour. Not relevant. There is no French surname Loupé, according to the French dictionaries of stock French surnames I own, and Loup[p]e does not have anything to do with that, as a surname it meant 'grimace', 'funny face'. It is a very rare name [ http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/nomcarte.cgi?nom=loup%E9&submit=Valider&client=cdip]

*Loupé / *Loupe would have meant a diminutive form of Loup + -et ill spelled *-é, or a female form of Loup, that is to say loup + -e female ending in French from Latin -a. It is not the case, it is impossible, because diminutive form is Louvet, Louvel, Louveau, Louveton ″small wolf″, not *Loupet > *Loupé, and female form is louve from Latin Lupa, not loupe (which means wen in French). Intervocalic Latin -p- always turned into -v- in French. In addition the original word for wolf is not loup but leu (Northern French) and lou(f) (western and central French), the additional -p was added quite late (15th century) by clerics and writers, to relatinize the language. more information on this serious site, so a surname could not have been created in the Middle Ages (when the surnames were created 12th - 13th century) on a word that did not even exist !

Such sites you mention do not know anything about that, because there are not written by specialists and they ignore the basis rules of French phonetics. I told you, the French names are (Le-)Loup, (Le-)Leu, derived forms Louvet, Louvel, Louveau, Louveton ″small wolf″, Occitan names Louvat, Loubat, Loubet

RegardsNortmannus (talk) 11:06, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello again and thanks for your compliments and your Barnstar, I appreciate. It does not exist, as far as I know, that is a Spanish and Rumanian tradition, not a French one. There were only some rare regions (Berry, Bourbonais and Lyonnais) where such a thing existed, but at a very limited extension. People used to put a A- (that is to shorten "fils A" "son of") Ageorges, Ajean, Aguillaume, Acolas. When it was already a surname or a female name, people put Ala- : Alacoque, Alabergère, etc. It is extremely rare, I never met somebody with such a surname. In the region, where I am from : it does not exist at all ! CheersNortmannus (talk) 11:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I truly appreciate it. I was trying to translate my surname in various Romance languages due to my Spaniard/Italian/French/Romanian ancestry. I had all of them complete, except for French. I suppose Loup would be the best choice. Even Italian doesn't have a translation of Lopez/Lopes/Lupescu, so Lupo (Italian) and Loup (French) would be the closest. My French ancestors hailed from Southern France, specifically the Languedoc-Roussillon region. I used this website that you used as a source to verify that Loup is indeed used in the southern regions of France. Thanks again. Afro- Eurasian   (talk)  12:05, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * According to me, Lopez and Lopes do not mean "son of wolf" but "son of Lupus", christian name, Latin form of Leu, Loup name of several French bishops (san Lope in Spanish). Its etymology is not sure : Lupus is probably a latinized form after Latin lupus "wolf", but the name could be originally Germanic or Celtic as well. So Lopez and Lopes are certainly not the name of the "wolf" in these languages, because it is lobo with [b], not [p]. Nortmannus (talk) 12:31, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

PS I cannot make an hypothesis on WP, but Loupe could be the result of the Frenchification of Lop in Occitan language (langue d'oc), https://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lop because the final p is pronunced : [lɔp], not [lu] like in French. It is a possibility, but I do not find any source about that.Nortmannus (talk) 12:31, 2 December 2013 (UTC)