User talk:After Midnight/Archive 2

Canadian Football League players
I made that change after I went back to the category category:Canadian Football League players for another reason. Dale and I made a mistake when we proposed the change, in that we patterned it after category:American football players by position. But what we agreed to was not correct: All the Canadian categories are "Canadian Football League (x)". Our change would not be correct, but the one I amended it to would be.--Mike Selinker 22:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Gosh, I'm sorry. You even went to the trouble of noting that in a "POST-CLOSING UPDATE" which I somehow read right past.  I'm going to blame my stupidity on the Indentation... lol.  I'll get it cleaned up now.... --After Midnight 0001 02:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't worry about it. I'm just very careful about writing anything in the actual Working page since I accidentally caused the entire category:Playboy models to be deleted in July.--Mike Selinker 15:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: CFD Talk Pages
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have gone back through my log and deleted the talk pages of the categories I deleted earlier today. Thanks again. :-) --ZsinjTalk 22:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Entourage VP edits
Thanks for your help in patrolling the Entourage edits, just a quick note, I think that this edit was actually ok but I thought I'd let you double check the edit before i put it back. Anyway thanks for helping out and if your interested feel free to sign your name to the proposed Entourage WikiProject.  Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  00:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'm sorry that I couldn't post on the talk page sooner, but the site seems to be having problems today, so I couldn't get back in right away. --After Midnight 0001 01:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * heh no worries I was having the same difficulty. Good eye catching the cut'n'paste from HBO  Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  05:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, they actually got the whole season; I scrubed all 10 articles. --After Midnight 0001 10:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Category talk deletions
Think I got them all fixed now, let me know if you see any I missed, sorry! Breaking the redirect is fine, but shouldn't be required, I should have watched for the redirect closer. — xaosflux  Talk  01:19, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We're having some lag right now, I got errors on every one of the restorals. — xaosflux  Talk  01:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

CSE
OK. Thought you made a mistake. -- Mwalcoff 01:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

days in baseball
Right, I am deleting all of the "(date) in baseball" and moving them to the baseball wiki at baseball.wikia.com per the AfD decision at Articles for deletion/October 2 in baseball. Herostratus 12:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Typo? Oh noooooo. Where? No, sorry, there isn't any way to change an edit summary, I'm afraid. The only way (that I can think of) would be do undelete the article and re-delete it with a corrected summary... my thought on this is Oh nooooooo, damn. I really don't want to do that for all the 100 or so articles already deleted... per (1), I don't think that it's allowed to have talk pages for deleted articles... actually its a good idea, but unfortunately orphaned talk pages get deleted on sight as part of general cleanup. Per (2), hmmmmm it would be allowed to do that, although it would be quite a list, and I'm not sure what good would be done by linking to deleted articles. I did put a note at the top of Articles for deletion/October 2 in baseball pointing to the baseball wiki. Yes I agree that there should be a pointer to the articles on the baseball wiki... ah I see that there is a WikiProject Baseball... perhaps they would know the best solution. Herostratus 14:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow... that was a good job, man, kudos. Sometime maybe I'll take a shot at that "Dates in baseball" article idea maybe... Herostratus 07:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah the link to the AfD discussion is in the page history... but only admins can see that. It is also in the [|deletion log], but that is obscure... OK, I think what you are saying is, re-create the article and have it consist of just a link to the corresponding article in the baseball wiki, and protect if from further editing... that, however, is not possible for a couple of reasons, one being that articles are not allowed to consist soley of a link or links, the second being that pages are not allowed to be permanently protected. As far as #1, whether I will or no, the orphaned talk page would be detected and deleted automatically by robots... Here're a couple of suggestions:
 * On the Wikipedia date pages (e.g. October 2 etc.), at the bottom under External links, add a link called say Dates in baseball and link it to a page in the baseball wiki which lists all dates (this could be done by just including the template use there which includes all the link; I'm sure the baseball wiki don't have a rule about articles not consisting soley of links. Then make October 2 in baseball a link to October 2, etc. The problem here is, the person would have to know to scroll down in October 2 to the External links section (redirects cannot go directly to section in an article). So I don't know how good that would be. It would be a bit of work but not overwhelming.
 * Here's a possible solution. Make an article Dates in baseball, which contains links to each date on the baseball wiki, and make all our "(date) in baseball" articles redirects to that article... problem is, articles are not supposed to consist solely of links... would it be possible, I wonder, to create text for the article (e.g., "Throughout the year, baseball activity is governed by various impotant dates ... Opening day, usually around XYZ, is XYZ... the waiver trading deadline on XYZ means XYZ... etc., talking about the September expansion of the roster to 40 players, the deadline for players on the roster to be eligible for post-season play, and so forth. This would actually be a kind of ploy to allow the article to exist, its main purpose being to contain the list of links to the baseball wiki. Whether such an article could survive an AfD I don't know, would depend partly on how well it is written. (I don't know enough baseball to be able to write it myself). To find out before doing all the work, one could write the article (but not do all the work of listing the dates and making the redirect), then listing it as an advisor AfD: "Here is an article I am making, I am putting it up for AfD hoping it will survive, but I want to know before I do all the work". Once an article has survived AfD, if it gets a true Keep consensus, it gets a Kept tag on the talk page and is more or less immune, at least for a while.
 * Your #2 (editing the AfD discussion) would also work... Yes if you want to, go ahead and do it, I'll back you up. Herostratus 15:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: Thanks
I don't normally fix people's userpages, but I thought you deserved it. -- Steel 00:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

hebrew translation (disambig project)
i saw you asked for someone who can translate something from hebrew. i didn't see what were you taking about, but you can let me know if it is still relevant. (appearently there are also special pages to request such translations, like this).trespassers william 13:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks much, but I got that resolved soon after that posting last month. I just needed one word translated at Rimmon, so it was quick.  I was lucky to find someone here who was a native hebrew speaker by looking through people who had the  template.  I do, however, appreciate your thoughtfulness and it is also good to know about the translations page.  Thanks again --After Midnight 0001 01:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

drinibot report
thank you I was testing a new approach to category handling and wrote a few scripts I was debugging. Here's what happened: On August 27, a CFD decided that "Category:Users currently away from Wikipedia" would be renamed into "Category:Wikipedians who are not currently active" (see Categories for deletion/Log/2006 August 27. And so the bot went and performed the changes. But such entry had already the new tag, so when bot did the renaming, the entry ended up with a duplicated tag (my bot isn't smart yet to detect that, it only performed the action I commanded it to do (the renaming). -- Drini 16:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thanks for reverting my talk page -- Samir धर्म 17:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. --After Midnight 0001 17:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

CfD Working
It looked like he didn't, but as long as you have it under control, do whatever you need to. Thanks for the good work!--Mike Selinker 17:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Spam
Yup, I'd agree that they're all spam. I've got a great admin rollback tool, so they've all been reverted. I'd warn them in the future. Hope that helps! alpha Chimp (talk) 02:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It was just my monobook, actually. Admins get a rollback link next to the top contrib on every page. I've got a monobook skin that gives me a "revert all" link. It's got a lot of other admin stuff. If you'd like, you can try my monobook, but a lot of stuff won't work. Actually, though, I used to use VP a lot. If you're an admin some cool extra menus get enabled (but I never really use it). alpha  Chimp (talk) 03:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Lauper
I've deleted most of the nonsense song articles, but I'm not ready to go and delete the links right now. Mind asking another admin (or just using popups?) Sorry about that. alpha Chimp (talk) 00:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I was feeling a little bit borderline about it, but that's not to say I'd stop you. alpha Chimp (talk) 01:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank You!
Thank you for the help, and I'll be sure to check out the articles you've given me. Writing this either before or after midnight (lol, sorry), cheers!  The RSJ   - SPEAK 17:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I've nominated it for deletion. What do you think, should the Utah English page be deleted? Cheers!  The RSJ   - SPEAK 18:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Louis Brandeis
from my user talk page: ''Thank you very much for the compliment you gave me in the CfD thread. --After Midnight 0001 23:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)''


 * I rather dislike seeing things killed off when they add value & could be saved&mdash;all it takes is thought & work&mdash;your thoughtful, constructive approach was exactly what was needed. So compliments are easy to give when the recipient deserves them&mdash;you are very welcome. Keep up that good work! Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 23:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Prod?
Wow... thanks for the suggestion :) I hadn't known about prod before. LOL... - CrazyRussian talk/email 23:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, sorry about that.... I thought that I was being helpful for a less experienced user. Once I looked around a little more (after Yanksox posted), I felt a bit foolish. --After Midnight 0001 23:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Time?
Not quite after midnight yet on the east coast, now is it? - posted on my userpage by 172.133.56.149 at 03:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * At the time you posted it was just after 11PM on the East coast, and as I respond it is just after midnight... :) --After Midnight 0001 04:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: 141.151.86.197
I saw this user and another user on AIV, but another user cleared the AIV entries for me. --ZsinjTalk 04:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Blocked for 48 hours. If the user continues after this block, feel free to put a on the user talk page. --Zsinj<sup style="color:#888888;">Talk  12:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The arms
Thanks--I got sidetracked reading something interesting, and didn't notice. I'll have a look. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 03:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppet
I wouldn't slap a sockpuppet tag on him just yet, but I would put a report up at either WP:SSP or WP:ANI (you might get a faster response at the latter). I'll look into it myself, and see if I can do anything. Thanks! --Mr. L e fty Talk to me! 23:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Repeated vandal template
I do not see it is matter that much. Possibly better to leave the things as they are abakharev 05:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

re: AN/I
Well if you think admin action is needed, then come to AN/I (assuming it's not covered by one of the other boards for more specific cases). It's just best to state what action you think is needed though. I wasn't like complaining about your wasting our time at AN/I or anything, sorry if I came off that way. It gets a lot of volume, stuff is archived automatically... even a few legitimately off-topic requests aren't serious problems, and yours was certainly a valid post. --W.marsh 17:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Why?
Excuse me Midnight?? Is there a reason why you reverted me edit on the fraulein article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.238.144 (talk • contribs)


 * I've reverted that edit and other of yours, including multiple blankings, as you have engaged in vandalism for which you were blocked. --After Midnight 0001 00:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: 201.78.238.144's edits
Yeah, I blocked for a period of 24 hours. Thanks again for reporting this to WP:AIV. -- Nish kid 64 00:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

3RR on Jim Clark
I've blocked the user in question for 48 hours. Let me know if the reverts continue without talk page activity. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 01:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Happy to help out! And thanks for the barnstar... appreciated.  -- Samir धर्म  02:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi After Midnight. I blocked the one account for 48 hours and suggest WP:RFCU to collate the sock puppets in order to appropriately deal with things if it is one user editing with mutiple counts.  Thanks -- Samir धर्म  02:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Welcome back
Wow, thank you very much. Yes, unfortunately with my career I get too busy at times, but I try to edit more when my work hours are lighter. I really appreciate your words; telling me that I helped guide your behavior is probably among the nicest things someone could say to me. There were several Wikipedians who moulded my Wikipedia personality, and I do my best to be a good example to others. I hope you'll still come to me if you have any questions. It's good to be back! — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...of course everyone has his own preference, but I think this is reasonable. Especially since you proposed the category for deletion, I don't think there could be any concerns for appearance of bias or attempt to sway the vote. Though at this point I think it would be less likely that the AfD will be postponed. — Knowledge Seeker দ 21:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, and I'm glad I could help. I wish there were more editors like you. — Knowledge Seeker দ 22:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for nominating that stupid "Fictional characters played by more than one actor" category for deletion. One minute before I discovered you'd nominated it, I had just mentioned it on the WikiProject Comics discussion page in a discussion of superfluous categories. Doczilla 04:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL. My pleasure. I think there are still more of these that could probably go, but I saw that one get added to some on my watchlist. --After Midnight 0001 12:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

talk pages
sorry. i couldn't find the talk pages. could you tell me how to find talk pages of users without user pages? Thanks. Ilikefood 13:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. I found it. Sorry if i caused you trouble. Ilikefood 14:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Reverts
No problem. I've reported the user to WP:AIV, as he later vandalized my page as well. --McMillin24 contribstalk 20:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

BetacommandBot
Leaving the CfR was a mistake there has been a change in the fact that Cfd/Cfr are substuted and I guess that was not fixed in the code I'll keep an eye on it thak you for letting me know if you ever need a bot assistance let me know and I'll gladly help. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 13:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Jim Clark
Hi After Midnight. I blocked one of the recent socks. Let me know if they act up again, and I'll be happy to the block the lot. Thanks -- Samir धर्म 05:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I indeffed Zandvoort. Shame that he's being so persistent despite warnings -- Samir धर्म  05:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

My RFA Comment
It appears that you're correct, feel free to edit away there. Thank you for catching it.  P eople Powered 00:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Your opinion?
Hi After Midnight, can you please have a look at Portal talk:Current events/Sports and give your opinion on which of the examples you prefer? Thanks, SportsAddicted 15:26, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

reply
Hi, yes, that does look like a very sensible suggestion, feel free to amend it. Thanks a lot. Martin 11:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added your suggestion, thanks. You should consider running for adminship at some time, you would get my support. thanks Martin 13:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Curiouser and curiouser
Just wondering if you have any idea why typing "Evolutionary Philosophy" in the search box automatically opens "Evolutionary philosophy"? It won't let me create a redirect page; it gets there without one. Evolutionary philosophy is the article page; Evolutionary Philosophy doesn't exist. Any thoughts?<font color="FF6600">&mdash; <font color="FF6600">Chidom  talk   05:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I assume that when you are typing it in the search box that you are pressing "enter" instead of clicking on Search. Pressing "enter" will default to as if you had clicked on "Go", even if you do it from Special:Search where these is no "go" button visible.  The "Go" action will work regardless of case, try typing any proper name (or even “wp:cfd”) in all lower case to see an example.  As a result you get to the page even though your case doesn't match.  I think that this is probably intentional to make it easier to go to articles without having to always capitalize the words precisely. As far as creating your redirect, you will note that when you put the link on my page, you got a red-link, so you can always use that to get into edit mode.  (I would create it for you, but I think you would prefer to "see the evidence").  Also, note that if you do search for "Evolutionary Philosophy" and click on the search button, you will get a message at the top of the page which says "You searched for Evolutionary Philosophy..." and it also has a red-link.  The other unasked question that you may have is, why doesn't the "Evolutionary philosophy" article show up on the search as a result for "Evolutionary Philosophy".  The answer to this would be that the article is probably too new to be updated in the search index yet.  I'm not sure how long that takes, but it could be several days or even weeks.  I hope all this helps, and please feel free to drop by anytime if I can ever help again. Regards --After Midnight 0001 11:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

(Smacking self on forehead) Doh! Of course I was using the Enter key, doesn't everyone? (And the answer is: "No"&mdash;but that's another story involving recalcitrant students who'd rather do it the hard way.) I'm glad to know that Wikipedia is at least that user-friendly when using the "Go" button. I did go ahead and create the redirect page to be on the safe side.

Once upon a time I was told (I think it's in my talk page archives somewhere) that in order for deleted pages to stop showing up on searches depended on whether or not the page is searched for between search index updates. I'm wondering if the same would be true for new pages: whether or not they're searched for, not the age of the page.* It seems more likely (and logical, which decreases the chances of this being true) that the page is included in whatever "dump" for new pages (from newpages, I would hope) it gets when updating the index.

If I remember correctly (which is more and more doubtful) I was also told that Wikipedia basically uses a version of the Google search engine, and trying to control what it returns in search results is fairly futile.** I received all this information&mdash;or something very like it, my memory isn't what it once was&mdash;when I was trying to get redirect pages deleted that pointed to deleted pages. Basically, I was told it would be a waste of time because of the aforementioned characteristics of the search engine.

Thanks for your help and the invite. I saw that you live in Delaware now, but have you spent much time in the South? If not, somewhere, someone in your life taught you to be as gracious as true Southerners tend to be. (Qualifying as a true Southerner, however, is an entirely different story. Just because you are born in the South doesn't make you a Southerner&mdash;if your cat had kittens in the oven, it wouldn't make them biscuits.)

On a completely different topic, had you ever done electronic typesetting, you would have found it impossible to put two spaces after periods. It was a hard and fast rule learned in typing class, but it wasn't possible in "real" typesetting, at least on the Mergenthaler Linotronic system I used. (Linotype used to manufacture a computerized phototypesetting system; once desktop publishing became the rule rather than the exception, that ceased.) The system also prevented the user from leaving spaces between em or en dashes and the words they connected. Both of these are still standards today; take a look at published books. (Another thing that changed greatly from using a typewriter was replacing underlining characters with italics; underlining was the only option available on the typewriters and was always meant to indicate italics.

By the way, am I the only editor who uses lots of wikilinks on talk pages? (rhetorical question)

Lastly, you may have noticed that I do go on&mdash;a Southern trait that I seem to have learned quite well. Brevity may be the soul of wit; I might learn how it works someday.

Have good days.<font color="FF6600">&mdash; <font color="FF6600">Chidom  talk   15:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC) *Yes, I know it rhymes, and no, I'm not going to re-word the sentence so it doesn't. So there. **Ditto the alliteration.


 * Thanks for the compliment. I did spend my college years in the Old South.  Many people in Delaware consider themselves to live in the South as they are below the Mason-Dixon line, but my experience here has been that northern Delaware more closely emulates life in Philadelphia and the rest of the Northeast. --After Midnight 0001 18:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Copyright question

 * Hmmm...well, I understand your confusion; I'm not sure what should be done, either. I guess I would recommend asking on Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems for feedback. You could leave a note on the article's talk page as well. If you don't get a satisfactory reply, tagging the article or asking on the village pump might be good next steps. Keep me updated, especially if you run into any problems. — Knowledge Seeker দ 09:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Categories for discussion
I noticed you nominated these two categories for discussion/deletion: &. I think this category would fall under the same reasoning, but I haven't yet figured out the nomination process:. I think it should be listed as well. <font face="Brush Script MT" color="#0000FF" size="4">AuburnPilot <font color="#0000FF">Talk 15:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I actually only nominated Category:Anti-gay rights media personalities and another user quickly added the other one to my nomination (which I guess is neither here nor there). At any rate, if you would like to nominate a category for deletion, you should be able to by following the instructions here: Categories for discussion/Howto.  If you have any trouble with it or I can help with further questions, please let me know. --After Midnight 0001 17:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've listed it. <font face="Brush Script MT" color="#0000FF" size="4">AuburnPilot <font color="#0000FF">Talk 19:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)