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This needs some input from people who were around in the 1970's and remember the practical problems of implementing the new Act after 1973. Also interested in hearing from anyone who can give an account of the early days of enforcement in the 70's.

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The autoblock has been applied appearently because someone within a large network has acted inappropriately but the network in question has about 20,000 people on it. There must be a lot of people blocked. I have nothing against my history. Agent1135

Re: UK Immigration Service
You can go ahead and remove the tags yourself if you like - no need to ask permission! Excellent work you've done on the article, thank you very much. It could do with a little bit of tidying up, so I'll re-tag it for that, but otherwise - thank you! ninety:one (reply on my talk) 19:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much. It is still work in progress having only got as far as 1973! Agent1135 (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Well done for all the expansion you've made. When it comes to adding links you can save yourself a lot of typing. I suspect you're copying (part of) the url to create the link which includes the underscores so then you're adding the pipe and the text without underscores. Instead copy the article name from the top of the page and bingo link in one. NtheP (talk) 17:04, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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Sir William Haldane-Porter‎
I noticed you added the references: "Porter family archive - unpublished". Can you explain that to me? I'm a bit confused as to what you are saying. The reference is from papers no one has read? Dennis Brown (talk) 00:01, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

It is research taken from face to face contact with Porter's surviving grand-daughter. Not sure how to otherwise describe it.


 * That is a problem. That is specifically what WP:OR says we can't include, original research.  If it isn't published by a third party (or second best, taken from the documents themselves if they were published), then we can't publish it here.  This would make you, in essence, the "reporter" (second party) instead of encyclopedia (tertiary party), which is what we are.  I had a feeling that is what it was, but didn't want to jump to conclusions.  I'm not jumping to start tagging and deleting stuff yet, but you *really* need to get the advice of an experienced admin who can help you determine what should and shouldn't stay.  I would much rather have you get help on it and trim it yourself than have me or someone else try to do it.  But the policies are brutally clear on this type of stuff.  Again, talk to an admin about it before someone starts trimming on their own.  If you don't know one, there is one I can recommend for this type of issue, User:DGG.  He doesn't seem to care for me personally, but he is a professional librarian (and other things, and has a physics degree, smart guy) and I know you can trust his opinions on what can and can't stay.  He may have other ideas that I haven't thought of as well, who knows.  I'm hoping this is something that you can get started on in the next few days, as the article seems to be worthwhile.  Dennis Brown (talk) 00:59, 19 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Dennis asked me to tak a look at this, and I will, over the next day or two. I agree with him that the subject is clearly notable and the article worth hre trouble. In general, the more good sources the better the article--so see what additional you can find, from published books or journals.  DGG ( talk ) 00:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I've looked at it and examined the style. It is pretty obvious to be that it is a fairly direct copy from a published source, probably the book you used as the essentially sole reference. It's not written like an encyclopedia article. I cite just a few very improbably sentences "It is indeed sad therefore in the circumstances that Sir William now lies in all but  total forgotten overgrown obscurity,"  ".He was a unique,irreplaceable,revered,respected ,honoured and honourable gentleman"  "Rev Porter hailed from yeoman Scottish settler stock with family lands overlooking Lough Swilly at Burt in county Donegal."  And some of them are judgments: judgements need to be supported by exactly whose judgement they are, and need in-line citations.  "a tall commanding figure with a moustache,much resembling his father" "brought about properly focused application to an ongoing national problem hitherto inadequately addressed " "It was an open secret that he had been offered more than once important posts outside the service."


 * When you do give an exact quoted source, the material is inappropriately detailed, such as the section on his marriage. Other overly detailed sections are those on his ancestors. For people who are not truly famous, not merely notable as he was, we say who their parents are and leave it at that. We do not go to the extent of describing the burial monuments of their siblings.


 * There are two courses i could take at this point. The easiest, though not the fastest is to get the book at one of next trips to my university library in a few weeks. The other is to reduce the material to what is the usual length of a Wikipedia article, and to assume that everything needs rewriting to avoid what is certainly either copyvio  or Close paraphrase.


 * But the best solution would be for you yourself to do this. Are you still around? I'll be glad to respond to questions, but ask me at my talk p. where I'll be sure to see them.  DGG ( talk ) 22:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

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