User talk:Aggelikiii

Sorry to revert such a lot of text at tone (linguistics), but what you're describing in Modern Greek isn't tone: it's a remnant of an orthography for tone in Classical Greek. Modern Greek has stress, not tone. kwami (talk) 08:56, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

It is a proper tone, and it is still used, the accute tone is still used in modern greek, and it is not just a grammatical remnant. Moreover, even if the multitonic system has been simplified the tones on the words have been preserved in oral speech. Aggelikiii (talk) 09:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)aqggelikiii

Do you actually have the right to erase my contribution? I need back the text that you erased please Aggelikiii (talk) 09:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)Aggelikiii

You actually prevent the proper flow of information, and this is unacceptable. Please respondAggelikiii (talk) 09:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)Aggelikiii


 * If you're going to make a claim like this, that modern Greek is a tonal language, then it's up to you to supply the proper references. However, it's clear from your contribution that you do not understand what "tone" means in linguistics. Please read the article first, and then, if you still believe that Modern Greek is tonal, please supply us with a reference that supports your view. kwami (talk) 09:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You might want to compare the article with Stress (linguistics), which is what Modern Greek has. kwami (talk) 10:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, do not blank information as you did at Nilo-Saharan languages. It is considered vandalism. kwami (talk) 09:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

It seems that you totally ignore the subject. In order to understand that greek is tonal, even Modern Greek, you must hear and read the language. You can see the link http://idiom.ucsd.edu/~arvaniti/ALMLP5.pdf, that is quite descriptive on greek accents.


 * This article discusses how intonation interacts with stress. It shows that Greek is not a tonal language. Also, reading the language is irrelevant. Tone is not found in orthography, but in phonology. kwami (talk)

Also : “New Comparative Grammar of Greek and Latin” Andrew Sihler 1995, OUP, pg 241 also argues in favour of the pitched accent.


 * That only suggests that the Romans saw stress as pitch due to Classical Greek. But we already know Classical Greek had tone/pitch accent; this does not describe the modern language. kwami (talk)

ALSO: Prosodic interactins on segmengtal duration in Greek on http://conference.sol.lu.se/fonetik2001/proceedings/bidrag03.pdf


 * This again is about prosody, not tone. It describes Greek as having stress, not tone. Just look at the IPA transcription: Stress, no tone. kwami (talk)

Moreover, the phainomena discribed in my contribution characterized the polytonic language and the ancient greek and were totaly accurate and correct, so you are vandalizing and not myself. If you do not return back my text, I will behave as you do.


 * You were discussing orthography in that edit, not phonology. Acute, circumflex, etc. diacritics transcribed tone in Classical Greek, but in Modern Greek they transcribe stress, which is why they can be reduced to a single mark without loss of phonemic information. Also, the asperis and diaresis have nothing to do with tone, and never did. You're confusing "diacritic" with "accent", and then confusing "accent" with "tone". This may be a problem with translating from Greek to English. For example, Greek δίφθογγος is not "diphthong" in English, but digraph. Or at least that's how my Greek friends use the word, since they say that αι is a δίφθογγος, even though it is not a diphthong, but a monophthongal vowel [e].


 * Sorry, the references you provide here show that Modern Greek does not have "tone" in the sense that that word is used in English, so you have not demonstrated that your edit is appropriate. Can you give me one minimal pair in Modern Greek which is distinguished by tone, the way you can in Classical Greek? There are also lots of wikipedians with a good knowledge of Modern Greek. Check the page history at Modern Greek: Perhaps you can find one who will support you on what you want to add to the article? kwami (talk) 19:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)