User talk:Aguilarsocial

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Completing your disclosure
Hi Aguilarsocial. I spend time working on conflict of interest issues here in Wikipedia, along with my regular editing, which is mostly about health and medicine. I am not an administrator.

You wrote here that I am the Marketing Manager...

Would you please clarify - for whom or what company are you the "marketing manager"? If it is not obvious from your answer, would you please disclose your relationship with Patrick Bet-David or any of his companies? You can reply here, just below this. Once you disclose, I can walk you through the rest of the conflict of interest management process in Wikipedia. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 20:35, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Apologize for the delay - yes I can clarify - I am the Marketing manager for Patrick Bet-David, his financial services company PHP Agency Inc. and YouTube channel Valuetainment. I've know him for 13 years. I wanted to see about disputing his recently deleted page and adding other sources that can provide validity to the article. I also want to know if we should re-submit the article or add links such as Market Watch or crunch base as credible sources. It was my lack of updating the article that led to other people citing to links all over the place. Can you offer me some guidance on what to do next? --Aguilarsocial (talk) 23:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying!  Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting (see WP:THREAD) - when you reply to someone, you put a colon in front of your comment, which the Wikipedia software will render into an indent when you save your edit; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons in front of your comment, which the WP software converts into two indents, and so on, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this  in front of your comment. Threading/indenting also allows you to make it clear if you are also responding to something that someone else responded to if there are more than two people in the discussion; in that case you would indent the same amount as the person just above you in the thread.  I hope that all makes sense. And you already appear to have this part down, but at the end of the comment, please "sign" by typing exactly four (not 3 or 5) tildas "~" which the WP software converts into a date stamp and links to your talk and user pages when you save your edit.  That is how we know who said what to whom and when.


 * Please be aware that threading and signing are fundamental etiquette here, as basic as "please" and "thank you", and continually failing to thread and sign communicates rudeness, and eventually people may start to ignore you (see here).


 * I know this is unwieldy, but this is the software environment we have to work on. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 23:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


 * OK, so as the next step in your disclosure, would you please add the disclosure to your user page (which is User:Aguilarsocial - a redlink, because you haven't written anything there yet). Just something simple like: "I am the Marketing manager for Patrick Bet-David, his financial services company PHP Agency Inc. and YouTube channel Valuetainment,and have a conflict of interest with regard to those topics."  would be fine.  If you want to add anything else there that is relevant to what you want to do in WP feel free to add it, but please don't add anything promotional about the Ben-David, his companies, or yourself (see WP:USERPAGE for guidance if you like).  Once you do that, I help you get oriented to what we expect of paid editors like yourself, as well as to Wikipedia more broadly.  On the latter, you can have a read of User:Jytdog/How if you like.  I will walk you through the rest of the paid editing process, after you make the disclosure on your userpage... Jytdog (talk) 23:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Disclosure added Jytdog Aguilarsocial (talk) 19:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)User:Aguilarsocial User talk:Aguilarsocial
 * Thanks! Sorry for the delay. Will open a new section for the next steps... Jytdog (talk) 03:07, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

The logistics
Thanks again for posting the disclosure. So you have a COI for matters related to Ben-David.

As I noted above, there are two pieces to COI management in WP. The first is disclosure. The second is a form of peer review. This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense. In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and voilà there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done. No intermediary - no publisher, no "editors" as that term is used in the real world. So the bias that conflicted editors tend to have, can go right into the article. Conflicted editors are also really driven to try to make the article fit with their external interest. If they edit directly, this often leads to big battles with other editors.

What we ask of editors who have a COI or who are paid, and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is:
 * a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft through the WP:AFC process, disclose your COI on the Talk page with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, and then submit the draft article for review (the AfC process sets up a nice big button for you to click when it is ready) so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and
 * b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to
 * (i) disclose at the Talk page of the article with the Template:Connected contributor (paid) tag, putting it at the bottom of the beige box at the top of the page; and
 * (ii) propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself. Just open a new section on the talk page, put the proposed content there formatted just as you would if you were adding it directly to the article, and just below the header (at the top of the editing window) place the  tag to flag it for other editors to review.  In general it should be relatively short so that it is not too much review at once.  Sometimes editors propose complete rewrites, providing a link to their sandbox for example.  This is OK to do but please be aware that it is lot more for volunteers to process and will probably take longer.

By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (There are good faith paid editors here, who have signed and follow the Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms, and there are "black hat" paid editors here who lie about what they do and really harm Wikipedia).

But understanding the mission, and the policies and guidelines through which we realize the mission, is very important! There are a whole slew of policies and guidelines that govern content and behavior here in Wikipedia. I already linked above to User:Jytdog/How, which provides an overview of what Wikipedia is and is not (we are not a directory or a place to promote anything), and for an overview of the content and behavior policies and guidelines. Learning and following these is very important, and takes time. Please be aware that you have created a Wikipedia account, and this makes you a Wikipedian - you are obligated to pursue Wikipedia's mission first and foremost when you work here, and you are obligated to edit according to the policies and guidelines. Editing Wikipedia is a privilege that is freely offered to all, but the community restricts or completely takes that privilege away from people who will not edit and behave as Wikipedians.

I hope that makes sense to you.

The article on Ben-David has now been deleted, so if you want to try to create a new page on him, you can do that in draft space, as I described above. There is a section in the User:Jytdog/How page with advice about writing a new article. I suggest you follow that process. I looked pretty hard for high quality, independent (see Jytdog (talk) 03:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)