User talk:Ahalin

This is a talk page. Please respect the talk page guidelines. Ahalin (talk) 02:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC).

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Hello! Thanks for your feedback! If you have any questions about Wikipedia, please don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. Have a great day! (:

Webclient101 (talk) 04:41, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you, will do!

--Ahalin (talk) 02:38, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Dive Sites of Timor-Leste
You recently re-inserted links to Wikimapia into this article.

I encourage you to read the comments posted on the External Links noticeboard concerning this site: External_links/Noticeboard and these comments over on OpenStreetMap

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * If you can't use Wikimapia what DO you use for map references? OpenStreetMap? It has no location specific URL you can link to and NO satellite map function so just how would you go about referring to things that aren't on a street, eg a scuba diving site in a third world country? I have spent many hours adding and correcting Wikimapia so the links I use are as accurate as the Wikipedia entries that refer to them. Should we stop linking to other Wikipedia articles which, as you point out, are "user contributed, thus it has the same limitations ... on the accuracy of it contents"? (Also posted in |Wikipedia:External Links Noticeboard)

--Ahalin (talk) 13:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Ahalin, Welcome to Wikipedia, I see you have run into the old No Original Research problem, which is why I don't do dive guides on Wikipedia. However, there is possibly a solution developing at Meta. There is a proposal for Wikitravel and Wikivoyage to merge and form a new Travel Guide sister project. This would be the ideal place for your article. Take a look at the dive guide articles on Wikitravel, particularly Wikitravel:Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay and Wikitravel:Scuba diving for an idea of what can be done.
 * The Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay article is almost entirely original research, and not only is it welcomed, but it has achieved the status of a Star article. (equivalent to WP:Featured article).
 * You may also be interested in other diving related articles and projects on Wikipedia. See Wikiproject Scuba diving and Portal:Underwater diving
 * Feel free to contact me on my talk page or we can discuss this further here. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for the encouragement Peter. I have already taken the precautionary step of mirroring this article in Wikitravel:Dive Sites of Timor-Leste, although I notice they have some funny rules about not linking to Wikipedia!! Your articles on Cape Peninsula and False Bay are fantastic, by the way.


 * One thing I am keen to retain are the Wikimapia links, rather than just a lat/long. If you follow one of the links you will see that the dive site and entry are outlined with a polygon to give divers the lay-of-the-land so to speak. No GPS or map required, just print out the screen and, in the absence of detailed underwater maps like Finlay's Point, 50% of the dive plan is done thanks to the polygon and the satellite image (most of which show the edge of the reefs.) I also put a lot of work into them so don't want all that (accurate) information to go to waste. Street maps are a waste of time for dive sites, particularly in the third world! Any suggestions?


 * Again thank you. --Ahalin (talk) 09:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Cutting back article for WP style
Hi Matthew,

Thank you for taking the time to explain your intentions, there are others who just do it and the author be damned. Your point is well taken, I assume to reduce the "snot" that clutters up the internet generally. I am a little surprised because a. there seeem to be plenty of other articles that are personal reflections and b. in the digital age the users can decide for themselves if it is useful so much less censorship required.

All that said, I have already taken steps to move all the info to Wikitravel, but would like some reassurance that the WP article can include a link to it, that it isn't banned (as someone tried to impose on the article before where it referred to the highly useful wikimapia satellite with map overlays, essetnial when trying to describe an underwater site).

J Ahalin (talk) 07:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Move to new travel guide
Hi Ahalin, There is currently a legal dispute between the Wikimedia Foundation and Internet Brands, so don't hold out too much hope for keeping links between Wikipedia and Wikitravel. I will notify you when Wikivoyage is open for public editing, as that is where the ex adminitrators of Wikitravel have migrated content to prepare it for migration to the planned Wikimedia Foundation travel guide. We can export the version of your choice. If you want to keep working on it while you wait you can have it moved into your user space.

Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:37, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Legal Disputes and Links to Other Websites
Sigh, why does it have to be so difficult in the age of connectivity? (That is a rhetorical question.)

Thanks again.

Ahalin (talk) 08:33, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ahalin,

Wikivoyage is now open for the public. Your article is on English Wikivoyage at http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Dive_sites_of_Timor-Leste. You can register at Wikivoyage and continue work on the article any time you like. Policy is much the same as on Wikitravel, but without IB censorship. Things are a bit hectic with massive cleanup work in preparation for the move. Interwikimedia link policy is not yet finalised. Migration to Wikimedia Foundation is in planning stages and no dates have been set.

Cheers, &bull; &bull; &bull; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 21:35, 24 September 2012 (UTC)