User talk:Ahmi 444

February 2020
Please do not add honorifics to articles. There is a guideline on Islamic honorifics, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Thank you. Alivardi (talk) 14:19, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

As the pic contains name with رضی اللہ so with علیہ السلام there should not be any problem Ahmi 444 (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not permitted to alter content to comply with personal religious beliefs or to avoid offense. Exactly as Alivardi says, our style guide instructs us not to use A.S. or similar honorifics. And if you persist in edit-warring, you will be blocked from editing altogether. DMacks (talk) 15:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Then why رضی اللہ عنہ is there with the name in Image? Ahmi 444 (talk) 15:29, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In which particular image? DMacks (talk) 15:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Calligraphic Representation Ahmi 444 (talk) 15:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In which particular image? Please state an exact example of what you are talking about (what wikipedia article, and the file/image in it). DMacks (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Here are the details File information Structured data Captions English Add a one-line explanation of what this file represents Summary	Edit Description English: The vector version of the iconic calligraphy of the 4th Rashidun Chalif, Ali bin Abi Talib, which is prominent in the Hagia Sofia in Istanbul, Turkey. العربية: اسم علي بن أبي طالب بالخط العربي الثلث‎ العثماني كما يظر في آيا صوفيا في بمدينة إسطنبول بتركيا Date	7 May 2013 Source	Own work Author	Petermaleh Ahmi 444 (talk) 15:35, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Now why you are not answering? Ahmi 444 (talk) 15:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * ​The image in an infobox is merely the most common representation of the article subject; in the case of historical Islamic figures, this is their names in Arabic calligraphy, which may or may not include Islamic honorifics. This does not mean that these honorifics have a place in the article itself. Remember, Wikipedia is secular and does not have an affiliation with any particular religion. Alivardi (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Isn't this an open contradiction? Ahmi 444 (talk) 15:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Images are images, prose is prose. Images are by the artist, prose is by wikipedia editors based on wikipedia's prose guidelines. DMacks (talk) 16:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * It's not really a contradiction. We have to show the most commonly used image of the article subject, which are usually made from an Islamic perspective in this case. That doesn't mean the article is written from the same point-of-view. For another example, in the article for Jesus, most of the images portray him in a God-like role. But we cannot discuss him in the article in that manner. Alivardi (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

If it is the fact that you have to show the most commonly used image of the article subject then why you not use the same honorifics in the details also because I think this is contradiction to use it in the image but not to use in info or details Ahmi 444 (talk) 16:25, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I don't see how much more clearly we can explain this. Please consider this your final warning to stop your disruptive editing.
 * Stop hand nuvola.svg You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia. Alivardi (talk) 16:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * You are welcome to feel that it is a contradiction, but there are separate guidelines for different types of content. That's just how Wikipedia is. This exact concern regarding text (non-use of A.S./PBUH) has been discussed extensively and the current state of affairs is the consensus. If you think article-images should follow that guideline as well, feel free to start a discussion at...maybe Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam. DMacks (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The way you said "You are welcome to feel that it is a contradiction" shows your family background that what they taught you. You are also welcome to block me from editing Ahmi 444 (talk) 16:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)