User talk:Ahuyoung

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Eucalyptus urnigera
Hi, You seem to be trying to edit Eucalyptus urnigera and not having alot of luck. I've reverted the edits to preserve the article formatting. It might be best if you add a bit of text and reference at one time, then I'll fix the formatting and referencing up, then you add a bit more and we can keep build the article up slowly. How does this sound? Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 12:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I hope I have found the right place to reply. It is rather late, almost midnight in Hobart for me to concentrate now so I won't attempt any more tonight. My frustration level is very high! I have worked a few things out but I might ask one of my younger fellow Botany students when we meet on Sunday. I had hoped that I could have just done a cut and paste from my draft made in a Word Document but obviously it is not as simple as that. Ahuyoung (talk) 13:03, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes if you reply here I'll see it in my watchlist. Editing can be frustrating to start but you get used to it pretty quick. If you want just repaste the entire document onto the Eucalyptus urnigera page tonight or tomorrow and I can wikify it from that point onward. I could then let you kow when I'm done and you can recheck for factual content, spelling etc.. Does this sound agreeable? Hughesdarren (talk) 13:21, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, I've edited a bit and shuffled things about so it looks a whole lot better. I'd prefer the footnotes be inline references myself but might worry about that later. Can you please check for any errors and either try editing the article again or note the corrections here for me to fix. - Nice work on your fist article by the way, and thanks for your persistence. Hughesdarren (talk) 13:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with...I am trying to add a serious scientifically based entry on Eucalyptus urnigera and it reverts back to the rather inadequate previous entry. I am trying to insert footnotes but the process is not working for me. Please explain to me, I am not a computer nerd, in language that is intelligible to one who is new to editing WIKI


 * You will want to check out the video at WP:Referencing for beginners; it explains how to easily create nicely-formatted footnotes. Seeing how it's done is much easier than me trying to describe it. The very short version is that at the place where you want to cite the source(ie have the [1] or whatever pointing to the footnote) you can insert the code, and as text of the footnote you can use a citation template like cite book or cite journal, but you don't even have to bother with the code at all - the video will show you how. Huon (talk) 18:20, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi
You may have missed my message above. Please reply on this page if you have read it and I can give you a hand. Hughesdarren (talk) 13:03, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Ahuyoung (talk) 12:45, 10 March 2017 (UTC) Ahuyoung (talk) 12:45, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for what you have done but I do want to keep my original headings and in my order (not the Wikipedian pattern which does not make much sense to me because there is a natural flow to what I have written (The difference in glaucicity of the two phenotypes is something I want in a section by itself because it is important) I hope that by pasting my WORD documentinto this letter I am not taking up too much room. I could Email it you. My email isahuyoung@utas.edu.au

WIKI ENTRY Eucalyptus urnigera

The species was first described by the nineteenth century English botanist, Joseph Hooker, in the London Journal of Botany in 1847, from specimens collected by the colonial botanist Ronald Campbell Gunn from Mt Wellington and Lake Echo.* The specific name comes from the Latin urna ,an urn and gero, I bear. It relates to the distinctive urn shaped buds and seed capsules. It is an alpine white gum and is related to E. gunnii, E. archeri, and E.morrisbyi.

RANGE

Eucalyptus urnigera is an endemic Tasmanian alpine Eucalypt and is the dominant Eucalypt species at altitudes from 600 to 1000 metres on well drained dolerite slopes and talus. It is restricted to the mountains of south eastern Tasmania, the Mount Wellington range, Mount Field and isolated pockets from Tylers Hill near Southport, 100 k south of Hobart, north to Alma Tier near Interlaken and Mount Seymour east of Oatlands in central Tasmania and a small population on the eastern side of Maria Island off the east coast. * Typically it is found below the range of E. coccifera (snow gum) and above the mixed and wet sclerophyll forests of the lower slopes although it will grow within both vegetation types. On Mt Wellington E. urnigera extends up to 1160m and down to 420m at Tylers Hill.* Jackson (1965) indicated that E. urnigera was found in the far south east at Mt La Perouse, Hartz Mountains, Bruny Island and Tasman Peninsula. This has yet to be verified.*

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BOTANICAL DESCRIPTION* E. urnigera is a tree often 5-15 m. high although specimens up to 45 m have been recorded in sheltered lower altitude positions. BARK: is deciduous, peeling in flakes, the branches are smooth, grey, orange-tan to olive green over cream. Branchlets are often glaucous (waxy).* PHOTO

LEAVES: As with most eucalypts juvenile leaves are distinct from adult leaves in both arrangement and shape. •	juvenile leaves are opposite, sessile, orbate to elliptical, apex either rounded on mucronulate (with a small tip) and a crenulated (finely notched or scalloped) margin, 3-6 cm long. The leaves range from being dark green (sheltered environment) to highly glaucous in exposed areas. PHOTO •	Adult leaves are alternate, petiolate, narrow-lanceolate to ovate, dark green, glossy and coriaceous (leathery), 6-12cm long and 1.2-4cms broad. Lateral veins diverge at angles of 25-60 degrees. PHOTO

FLOWERS: •	Umbels: three flowered with peduncles (flower stalks) up to 2.5cm long and often longer than the petioles (leaf stalks). •	Buds: 1.2 cm long, glaucous to brown, receptacle urceolate (urn shaped); operculum (cap) shorter than the receptacle but broader with a rounded margin and umbonate (knob like) apex. •	Flowers: white, mainly in autumn and winter. Pollination is by birds (honey eaters)* •	Capsule: urceolate, 15-18 mm long,.7-10 mm diameter, glaucous or brown with a narrow, level staminal ring, sunken disk with deeply enclosed valves. PHOTO

VARIATION IN GLAUCICITY Unlike many eucalypts E. Urnigera displays a morphological unity across the species with one important exception. There is a significant variation in the level of glaucicity (waxiness) between E. urnigera in lower altitude shady forest and those trees in the more exposed higher altitude sites. This was studied by Barber and Jackson in 1957* and followed up in later studies. E. urnigera at lower altitudes (560-670 m) and in sheltered sites are uniformly green whereas at higher altitude (950-1050 m ) E. urnigera is uniformly glaucous. It is believed that the lower light conditions of the relatively closed sub-alpine forest favours the green leaved phenotype, being able to more efficiently photosynthesize in lower light conditions than the glaucous phenotype. However, at the more exposed higher altitude where there is more direct sunlight the glaucous phenotype is favoured. The wax coating protects the plant from infra red light and probably assists in protecting the tree from frost.* PHOTO

CULTIVATION E. urnigera does not have any commercial use as a timber tree but it is prized as a specimen tree in cooler regions of the United States of America and in the British Isles. Grafton Nursery in Worcestershire (UK) considers it superior to E.gunni, a Eucalypt commonly grown in the UK. Its colourful bark and foliage make it a valuable as a garden ornamental. Its lignotuber enables coppicing and is proposed as one of the varieties for UK firewood production.* FOOTNOTES

.http://www.nationalregisterofbigtrees.com.au/listing/890.pdf ii nationalregister of big trees.com.au, op.cit Williams, K.J, and Potts, B.M., The Natural Distribution of Eucalyptus Species in Tasmania,       Cooperative Research Centre for Temperate Hardwood Forestry, Department of Plant Science, University of Tasmania, Hobart 7001,p 115 based on description in Curtis, W. M., & Morris, D. L., The Students Flora of Tasmania, Part 1, second edition 1975, Hobart, p 217 Ibid nationalregister of big trees.com.au, op.cit. Reid, J.M., Hill,R.S., Brown, M.J., Hovenden, M.J. Eds, Vegetation of Tasmania, Hobart, 2005, p 203 quoting work of Savva, M., Potts, B. M., Reid, J.B. (1988). The breeding system and gene flow in Eucalyptus urnigera. In ‘Pollination’ ‘88’. (Eds R.B. Knots, M.B. Sing and J.L. Troiani) pp 176-182 (Plant Cell Biology Research Centre: Melbourne.) Barber, H.N., and Jackson,.W. D. (1957), Natural Selection in Eucalyptus, Nature 179, pp 1267-1269, cited in Vegetation of Tasmania. Vegetation of Tasmania, p 214 http://grafton-nursery.co.uk/thepottingshed/35-eucalyptus-urnigera-the-urn-tree.html

I will be going to bed very soon so I may catch up with you tomorrow (rather much later today! itisjust gone 1am here)Ahuyoung (talk) 14:17, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is a collaborative project and the page can and will be altered by any other editor. It's not "your article" anymore, but belongs to everyone who edits here. You should probably read the five pillars stuff at the welcome message on this talk page (up the top). As for the natural flow, you should also read which deals with the manual of style and the structure of plant articles. I'm pretty happy with the final result and apart from minor edits and inline citations will not be changing much else. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 21:13, 10 March 2017 (UTC)