User talk:Airplaneman/Archive 21

Battle of Phillora
I requested full protection for the page Battle of Phillora a few days ago as I did not wanted to get into edit war with another editor even after providing multiple references. After engaging into discussion with him however, I feel that he is just trying to idle my time. First he insists that all Indian sources should not be used knowing well that mainstream neutral media generally looks at the war as a whole and though the battle was important hardly any reliable neutral source would have covered it. I invited him to add Pakistani sources to make the article neutral, if he finds any, as my search was futile and Pakistani media does not talk about the battle. He does not come up with any Pakistani source but when I come up a highly reliable and neutral source The Cambridge history of India, Volume 6 he begins to argue the main historians whose work has been used lived in the 18th or 19th century and so publisher might have wrote the book it is unreliable. When I made him understand that S.Chand one of the largest publisher and cannot modify the book he still called the source hilarious and unreliable as some historians whose work has been used were dead long before the book was written which according to me would be an insult to the history. This was enough for me and I finally approached WP:RSN as I knew published materials from Cambridge University is reliable and just wanted to be sure. Editors and administrators there conformed that it was reliable. I think I can know proceed to make necessary changes based on the reference as I am not here to get into unimportant discussion to teach people what is a reliable source who do not want to accept and that a publisher is not an author of a book. --UplinkAnsh (talk) 07:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message; I will go ahead and unprotect it. I have also left my rationale on the talk page and will keep an eye on the article. Airplaneman   ✈  21:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

RFC on vandalism sandboxes
As someone who previously participated in the discussion to adopt policy verbiage that is being used as a rationale to delete "vandalism sandboxes", your input would be appreciated on the matter: Wikipedia talk:User pages. Gigs (talk) 15:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

2010 AAA 400
Once I finish the article, what images can be added to the article. Jimmie Johnson won the pole position, led the most laps, and won the race. Since he accomplished it, I have no idea what images I can add to the article. Do you have any ideas?  Nascar  1996   21:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Why don't add pictures of drivers who finished in the top five?  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   22:19, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. Maybe a picture of Johnson's crew chief as well? Airplaneman   ✈  22:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

You could get a picture of Chad Knaus as well.  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   22:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Probably will add a image of Chad Knaus in the post-race section once I complete it. Thanks for help. Nascar  1996   23:56, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome.  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   00:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Airplaneman, is this article's race summary better than the last one you looked at? The article isn't completed, but I am ahead of schedule! :)  Nascar  1996   01:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The race summary looks a lot better.  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   22:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I still want Airplaneman's opinion.  Nascar  1996   00:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just sticking my two cents in here, but I think the Race section is very nice now! Derild  49  21  ☼  00:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * it's a different article, in which is about to go for GAN.  Nascar  1996   00:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
~  Nerdy Science  Dude  22:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

BB gun?

 * Did you even look at the history? Within the last fifty edits almost every other one is a revert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inka 888 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course I did. There are helpful edits, too, and vandalism isn't frequent and is taken care of quickly. Airplaneman   ✈  01:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What I'm trying to say is it seems like a page that is regularly vandalized I don't really see how there is "not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection". -- Inka 888 01:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There have only been 15 edits in the past 2 months, and 6 instances of vandalism. I will consider protection if vandalism is around a daily occurrence. Airplaneman   ✈  01:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok. -- Inka 888 01:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Removing wikify tags
But I'm a caveman and I'm frightened by your flying machine! Couldn't resist that. Last March I learned from some good advice you gave me about wikifying.

There's a new editor, Markiewp who's doing wikifying from eight in the morning to ten at night. Seems to be doing good work more or less. Some minor things like goes crazy with red links etc. The main problem is s/he removes the wikify tags every time even though the article is far from ready. Two thousand and counting.

People have asked him to stop removing the wikify tags, and I asked him again last night but he doesn't listen. Maybe s/he could use some guidance from a more experienced editor? Slightsmile (talk) 15:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * . I'm looking into it; I would be repeating suggestions that have already been given if I commented (this may be a good thing, though). Their contribs give me the sense that they're trying to clear a backlog and not doing everything they can to improve the article. Maybe I could clean up their cleanup and they can learn by example. That's how I gained clue around here. Airplaneman   ✈  23:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been going into his contribs to see what I can do. I do the usual - wl, sections but it's not enough. Sometimes an article is in desperate need but I just can't get into it at the time. I've restored the the tags on six articles. Sometimes he doesn't even do anything and removes the tags. People went through a lot of work to tag these articles for attention. Slightsmile (talk) 03:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Hybrid Arts
I found an article, Hybrid Arts, which appears to be a copyvio. I don't really know what to do with copyvios.  Bramble  claw  x   01:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Page deleted under WP:CSD. correctly tagged it as such with:


 * Hope this helps, Airplaneman   ✈  02:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

?
file is also on commons and is cascaded due to it's high visibility, what is different about the featured article one; it's seen at the top of every featured article and is also is seen on tons of user boxes, and the awesome Wikipedian award and order of the mop awards. Plus is there any real reason for anyone to edit that page anyway? -- Inka 888 03:09, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Umm... I'll ask HJ Mitchel for another opinion. Maybe I've misinterpreted the meaning of cascading protection. In any case, I'd be happy to reconsider indefinite full protection. Permalink to section is . Airplaneman   ✈  22:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Cascading protection is protecting any instances of page transclusion so if you protected "Bob" any transclusions of "Bob" are protected based on the protection level of "Bob". — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  •  3:38pm  •  05:38, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If I wasn't clear it basically means that wherever "Bob" is transcluded the page containing the transclusion is protected as well. — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  •  3:41pm  •  05:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I just checked WP:CASCADING, and it says, "Cascading protection fully protects a page, and extends that full protection automatically to any page that is transcluded onto the protected page, whether directly or indirectly. This includes templates, images and other media that are hosted on English Wikipedia. Files stored on Commons will not be protected by cascading protection, and need to be temporarily uploaded to English Wikipedia or protected at Commons." So hopefully this satisfies both of you :) Regards, — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  •  3:48pm  •  05:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * After re-reading the original question and the link you provided, the paragraph of quoted text would be most helpful in your situation. In order to protect a Commons file temp upload it to Wikipedia or protect it at Commons. — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм •  Champagne?  •  4:01pm  •  06:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * So as I understand it, full protecting the file with cascading prot. will full protect all pages containing the file, right? That's why I declined it in the first place. Please correct me if I'm wrong, and thanks for the help! Airplaneman   ✈  13:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it's the other way around. For example, Template:In the news is cascade protected, which means that Template:ITN-Update, which is transcluded onto it, is automagically fully protected, as are the other templates and the image on there, the image protection being the purpose of the cascading protection. As for the image in question, it's been fully protected since 2009. Cascading protection wouldn't seem to be necessary. Is that what you wanted to know? HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:08, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks HJ! That cleared a lot up. Inka actually requested for File:Cscr-featured with shadow.svg to be cascaded (see here); to put the definition of "cascading protection" in my own words, if I cascade-protect this file, will all pages transcluded on this file's page be full-protected as well? Airplaneman   ✈  20:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, anything that is transcluded onto Cscr-featured_with_shadow.svg will be protected but any transclusions of the file won't be, sorry about that I misread the phrase I quoted. Thank God for HJ :) Regards, — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  9:50am  •  23:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * FD seems to have the right idea. If you cascade protected it, the only effect it would have, aside from fully protecting the image (as it is already), would be to protect Template:PD-Open Clipart Library and Template:Pp-template, which are transcluded onto its description page. In other words, it would be more-or-less pointless and would have no effect on any page that happens to have the image transcluded onto it. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

OK; thank you both! I'll full protect it. Airplaneman  ✈  00:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm... think I salted it. Oh dear… Airplaneman   ✈  00:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. O.o Creation Protection? Oh dear me... — Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм  •  Champagne?  •  10:05am  •  00:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The talkback was not necessary I usually stalk a talk page if a open discussion that I'm involved in is going on. Inka 888  01:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think any protection there was necessary. That file is only used on a handful of pages. File:Cscr-featured.svg is the one that's used all over the place, which I have now protected locally (already protected on Commons). / ƒETCH COMMS  /  03:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It is on top of every featured article. Highly visible; I have seen that image more than any other image on Wikipedia. -- Inka 888  03:45, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. The file I protected is used all over the place. The one you mentioned, which has a shadow, is used on only a small number of pages and is not protected on Commons. The one I protected is protected on Commons and is used all over the place, including Template:Featured article, which is at the top of every FA. The image you have seen so much did not have a shadow, and the one that you requested protection for does not need protection at all. You will be able to see a list of where a file is used if you look near the end of the file page. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  01:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm, ok. iMessed up on this one; unprotecting. At least I learned what cascading protection really was in this discussion. Thanks fetchcomms, Airplaneman   ✈  01:59, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see this one more :D.-- Talk tome (Intelati) 03:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see this one more... Stupid vandals... Access Denied  [FATAL ERROR] 03:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see that one more as well. -- Inka 888 21:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

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Request to undelete Groove Distribution wiki page
I'd like to request you reconsider and undelete the Groove Distribution page. Groove Distribution is the largest dance music distributor/importer in North America. It has been around for 10+ years and has outlasted Watts Music, Nemesis, Studio Distribution and Syntax (the other large dance music distributors in the US). TRC still exists but no longer distributes physical music, only doing equipment. Groove Distribution was the first company to import and/or distribute in the US releases by Danger Mouse, Amy Winehouse, Corrine Bailey Rae, Zero 7, Lily Allen, Justice, and many many more. Groove Distribution manufactures and distributes worldwide a host of labels including Prescription, Mathematics, Ample Soul, the first Roots album ("Organix") on DLP and CD and the vinyl for Eighteenth Street Lounge (Thievery Corp's label) and Music For Dreams (Bliss, Banzai Republic, Kenneth Bager). Groove Distribution was the undisputed leading distributor for such dance sub-genres as acid jazz, mashups, broken beat (originally dubbed "house not house"), funky breaks, nujazz, and cosmic/space disco. In the past Groove Distribution distributed Tru Thoughts, Jazzman, G-Stoned, Far Out, Groove Distribution was one of the first (if not the first) major US distributor to sell direct to the public and open the warehouse to the general public. We decided to start a wiki page to give us a place to list all of the above information (and more) along with linking to our many labels and distributor partners worldwide. We ask you to kindly reconsider the deletion based on us not stating our importance. --Dirk  184.78.78.248 (talk) 22:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * importance of Groove Distribution
 * Hello Dirk. It looks like you have a conflict of interest because you are affiliated with the company. I will be more than happy to restore this article to User:Chuckgrove/Groove Distribution ( is your account, correct?) given you can meet the following conditions:
 * You give a claim of notability backed with multiple reliable sources (post them here and I'll give them a look if you'd like). Make sure it meets our guidelines for inclusion for companies. If it does not, I'm afraid further work would be a wasted effort, as the page will just be deleted again.
 * You keep a neutral point of view
 * You make sure the article doesn't come across as spam
 * And lastly, that a Conflict of interest tag must be added to the article (see Template:COI). This is just to let people know that someone from your company is a major contributor to the article.
 * How does that sound? Airplaneman   ✈  20:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

In The Dark (JoJo song)
Considering that you're the admin who handled the deletion request. It may interest you to know that the article was part of a WP:ANI case whereby the creating user had created several such articles before. No one has yet commented on the ANI thread... perhaps you could take a look here? --  Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  23:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do; I need to go, though (got stuff to do IRL). Will be back tomorrow hopefully, around this time. Thanks for letting me know! Airplaneman   ✈  23:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

IGLOO
Just wondering is it better that huggle? -- Inka 888 01:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, it still requires rollback. And I find huggle to be much better. Access Denied  [FATAL ERROR] 01:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I know it requires rollback. Is it faster that Huggle? I'm asking this so when I do eventually get rollback which one is better. Is there really a difference between the two? -- Inka 888 02:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Huggle is better (IMO) as it has more tools such as CSD capabilities, tagging, etc. However, huggle can not be used on macs and igloo is the preferred alternative. Derild  49  21  ☼  02:08, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Huggle actually does work on Macs. You just have to install a bunch of programs. I use Igloo and feel that it draws short of meeting all the stuff I need it to do.  Mr. R00t    Talk  02:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. -- Inka 888 03:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow
I can't believe that around two months it will have been a year since we first came across each other (Yes, that IP is me, and in fact, it is still my current IP. You also welcomed it). What a difference a year makes! ~  Nerdy Science  Dude  03:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to butt in or anything, but 2 weeks after that was when you first met me.  Bramble  claw  x   03:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * And six months after that you met me! . Yay for memories! Derild  49  21  ☼  19:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, if we're reminiscing, it's been 14-15 months since he met me here!  PrincessofLlyr royal court 19:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember when he met me about seven months ago. The first conservation was nothing to be happy about (at first), but now I'm happy that is happened, and I can laugh at it, too. :)  Nascar  1996   20:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I met him only a couple of days ago. Ian —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian.bjorn (talk • contribs) 05:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

LG GS500v
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind! Regards, Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 20:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

My editor review
Hello, Airplaneman. Could you close the review. I haven't had some one to review myself for a month, and I am ready for it to be closed. Thanks. ~  Nascar  1996   22:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * They're no longer officially closed (just taken off the main editor review page), but I'll wrap it in archive templates for ya :). Airplaneman   ✈  22:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :)  Nascar  1996   01:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 September newsletter
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You're too fast
I thought that revert was mine.

This is the only warning you will receive regarding your disruptive behavior. Next time you attempt to impersonate ClueBot, you  will be blocked without further notice.

Please don't take that warning seriously. Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 01:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Airplaneman  ✈  01:19, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

America's Sexiest Girls movie starring Ron Jeremy pg you deleted
Hello, You deleted this page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Sexiest_Girls

as something promotional, but its not. Perhaps it was my mistake just notating all the promo data written about the movie onto th page and I can correct it to what will meet the criteria. But it was all relevant factual data about this movie, and pertinent to the filmography and works for the director (Jennifer abbott)and actors (ron jeremy, too short, g money) involved in the project found dated in 2006. How can I correct this to have it undeleted? Thank you very much, nobelone
 * If you think it meets the films notability criteria, and can find multiple reliable references to back up the film's notability, I can restore this page to User:Nobelone/America's Sexiest Girls so you can work on it with less chances of it being tagged for deletion (this is called "userfication"). Notating promo data could be possible copyright infringement if you're copying directly and looks spammy; I'll help in formatting and such if you want to work on this article further. Regards, Airplaneman   ✈  02:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How anyone can see that article as not promotional is beyond me. It started off "RAW!UNCENSORED!AMATEURS!WILD!", which is about as promotional as anything I've ever seen in Wikipedia. I would personally not be willing to userfy it, as I think it falls under the heading of "Material that should not be posted on user pages or subpages in the first place" (quoted from Userfication) since promotional material is not acceptable anywhere, including userspace. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm... so I should not even post the revision and remove the content afterwards? BTW, I'm not seeing much reliable coverage through Google. Maybe this topic isn't fit for Wikipedia. Airplaneman   ✈  21:33, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ....Ron Jeremy...ew.... 23:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I am in the copryright field this and many items do indeed exist. As I explained I simply posted the info found on amazon for the dvd, not intended for promo, but simply posted exactly in order to be accurate. This was my mistake as I did not know not to do this. I was trying to be accurate an unbiased and post the complete accurate details of the dvd, that is notabe for the up and coming directors prior works, also the rappers and ron jeremy notbles who worked on it. Its not my taste or liking but simply posting accurate data found. How can I correct and update movie details, as the other films are listed under ron jeremys filmography right on his wiki page. Thank you for your guidance in posting correctly. (ps i happen to agree on the matter of ew, but the film does exist and should be posted accurately for the involved parties of he projct as its part of their career credits) Thanks Nobelone (talk) 05:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "It's part of their career credits" is not a good reason for having the article. Wikipedia does not exist to give "credits" or to serve the careers of people. To suggest that the article should be there for that reason is to suggest that the article is wanted in order to promote their careers. Wikipedia is not a medium for promotion of anything, including people's careers. A Wikipedia article does not exist in order to serve the interests of the people mentioned in it. Also, the fact that something really does exist is not sufficient to justify an article. Does the subject satisfy Wikipedia's [{WP:NOTE|notability]] criteria? Simply existing does not guarantee that it does. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Im sorry isnt the point of wikipedia to add correct data? This was added to ron jeremy's filmography list of recent works from 2006 & now its been deleted. Then I just thought I needed to complete the page it linked to this dvd. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Jeremy  Now your saying this is not allowed? Im sorry I find this confusing when you see something is missing you add it, then you guys say no? All of this started becuase I put too much info about the dvd not knowing putting exact data I found written was considered propmotional but now even though its legitiate works and data its not permitted I do not understand why? Also why its been removed from ron jeremys page when he did work on it, and hes all over the cover of the dvd? Please help me understand this doesnt make sense to me. Thank you Nobelone (talk) 18:32, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the goal of Wikipedia is to add reliably sourced data, not necessarily the truth or "correct data". It must also be notable. Copying the exact words from another website is considered copyright infringement anyways. Does this help? Airplaneman   ✈  00:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Airplane man, yes I realized I made that mistake and commented back directly to mr watson. Thank you, you are very gracious and helpful in explaining things. Also, I found this link that was going to be tied into this page for the dvd, is it not possible to keep to page still and insure it does not contain copyright material this time? As I have found other third party info that sources it at well as others works I am working to add. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/America'sSexiestGirls.jpg Thank you & ps, thank you for the warm welcome cookies! Nobelone (talk) 05:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Triz - request for semi-protect.
Hi Airplaneman. You recently fully protected TRIZ. I'm asking if you would bring that down to semi-protection. You describe in your block message that it was a content dispute. What was actually happening was the reinsertion of large amounts of clearly unsourced, POV material by IPs (two of whom look like the same person, and it's a little suspicious that three Canadian IPs suddenly take an interest all at once, and one after the other...) who appear to have a POV themselves, and who have shown contempt for anyone pointing them to the policies which make the reinsertions bad ones. One of the IPs was blocked after 6RR. There are at least three established editors who agree that the material is highly problematic and we have tried to engage the IPs on the talk page, with little progress, although I had another go a few hours ago. I'm interested in adding at least a few RS, which is what the article singularly lacks. If proper sourcing can be shown, then perhaps the IPs will understand what the problem is with the article (it's not content, but basic principles of wikipedia sourcing). All the best, VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 03:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, sounds good. I'll do it now. Regards, Airplaneman   ✈  23:04, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks - I'll start adding stuff later today. The IP editor (using a range of IPs) appears to be a very odd fish. He seems to think citing policy is anti-Semitic. He may also have a COI. I hope a week of semi-protection will be enough. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 02:29, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem! If vandalism starts up again, warn the user(s) and feel free to re-request protection. Airplaneman   ✈  02:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

The October 2010 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive has begun!
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Miss Universe 2011 Page
Hey Airplaneman Why Delete The 60th Miss Universe 2011 Page.
 * Hey AnnLivinova I deleted it because it was tagged for WP:CSD and I agreed. Airplaneman   ✈  21:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've always wanted one.
Does he oscillate, or is he a window mounted? Half Shadow  23:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks window-mounted :) (see ). Airplaneman   ✈  23:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well, at least I can shout into it and make my voice go all roboty. Half  Shadow  23:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Congratulation
Dear Airplanman, I congratulate you on becoming an administrator. I am not so familiar with the procedures so I apologize for not congratulating you before. I found out about it through some of your archives and users’ comments. Not only that you are diligent, you are a good person and I was so happy to see all the stars you have received; you deserved them all. I don’t write often, but I would like you to know that you cross my mind often and that I appreciate your help in the past very much. Please remember that even if I don’t express it in words I will always remember the good work you did and still are doing. It is obvious that other users admire you and appreciate your work, which fills me with joy. Best regards, Mountlovcen8 (talk) 02:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This has certainly made my day. You didn't have to do this (it isn't procedure!) but it was über-nice of you to do so! Thank you so much for dropping by. Best, Airplaneman   ✈  03:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion
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Classical composition guidelines
Hi there Airplaneman! Firstly, well done in your relatively recent RfA. You're seem to be doing a great job as an admin so far! I noticed that you were down as a participant at Compositions task force and knowing how active and knowledgeable you are on the project I wanted to ask you a question. If something in a composition just an obvious fact (for example: it starts in E flat major and modulates to the dominant where the cellos come in etc) which is evident by just looking at a copy of a score, does a reference still need to be cited? Would a score reference/ bar number suffice or would one have to reference it to an analysis done by a musicologist or the like? I was thinking about improving and possibly getting the article on Beethoven's 6th to at least GA status, and in fact was also wondering whether you would be interested in helping - or perhaps you know of someone who might or where I could mention it on the project? Thanks very much for you help in advance. Jay-Sebastos (talk) 17:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello! I actually do not know exactly what to do, so I will have to do further research on the topic when I have a good chunk of time. Off the top of my head, I would think you'd cite a musical score the same as you would a book. I would certainly be interested in helping a bit with the article. I'll try answering this in more detail when I get the time. Best, Airplaneman   ✈  17:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm... I really am not sure. I think your best bet would be to post at the task force's talk page or the help desk. I'll keep an eye out so I may learn something as well :) Airplaneman   ✈  02:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Administrator
I'm ready to become an administrator right now.  Wayne Olajuwon  chat   19:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * R'ed on your talk. Airplaneman   ✈  17:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Italic titles
I noticed that Forest of Secrets has an italic title, but cannot find how they did it. I searched the wiki-code and couldn't find the italictitle template or the displaytitle. If you could figure out where it is, that'd be great. I think we need to italicise all the book titles. ( I believe it would be Moonrise (Warriors) since we probably don't italicize disambiguators).  Bramble  claw  x   01:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It is italicized by way of Template:Infobox Book (go in there and take a look at the code; the italictitle should be on the first line!). Very clever way of doing it, IMHO. And yes, I remember reading somewhere that there has been consensus to italicize articles that are titles of books. A good link for guidelines would be MOS:TITLE. Airplaneman   ✈  17:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Also just discovered . Maybe we need to switch Warriors (novel series) to use that one instead?  Bramble  claw  x   17:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind. We're already using that template. My bad.  Bramble  claw  x   20:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It already does; Template:Infobox Novel series redirects to Infobox book series :). Airplaneman   ✈  20:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * For some reason, I had to manually add the italictitle to Moonrise.  Bramble  claw  x   20:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, this isn't about italic titles, but you have perfect pitch?  Bramble  claw  x   21:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea :) Airplaneman   ✈  21:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, I only post true stuff there. No lies to be found... Airplaneman   ✈  21:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * have you "always had it", or did you somehow "get" perfect pitch?  Bramble  claw  x   21:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No idea. I didn't practice it or anything, although I do have significant exposure to music everyday via my violin playing. (hey, did you know violin used to be a GA?) Airplaneman   ✈  21:34, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish I had perfect pitch. And no, I didn't know about violin being a GA. Though piano never even passed a GA. I think Classical music project could do with some work...  Bramble  claw  x   21:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. Violin never passed GAN either. Airplaneman   ✈  21:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * In speaking of userboxes, I did the calculator trick that was in that one userbox. When turned upside down, the answer (5,318,008) is boobies. ~  Nerdy Science  Dude  21:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I remember that one. Derild  49  21  ☼  21:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I never tried. I always thought it just gave nonsense.   Bramble  claw  x   22:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, a friend showed me that one... and then I saw the userbox :D. Airplaneman   ✈  22:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I LOVE WARRIOR CATS SO MUCH I HAVE AN IMAGINARY GUN ON LIONBLAZE'S AND DOVEPAW'S TAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!01:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian.bjorn (talk • contribs)
 * Yay. Airplaneman   ✈  01:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yay another too enthusiastic Warriors fan! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derild4921 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 4 October 2010 Derild  49  21  ☼  02:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not TOO enthusiastic! I just love the series! They do a really excellent job! I  DO NOT   like you! Ian.bjorn (talk) 02:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I AM MAD AT HITLER! Ian.bjorn (talk) 02:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * while we're being off-topic, here, try not to go too off-topic. That last statement was totally random. Anyways, Airplaneman, I'm not sure if Mimoza Duot meets notability; I can't tell, and I probably can't judge it from a neutral pov, having watched the show.  Bramble  claw  x   02:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I know. I have no idea why I said that. Anyway, Hitler was trying to destroy the world. That's why I'm mad at him. Ian 04:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, back on italic titles. Most of the articles I read are not italicized. I don't know how to do that, though. Italicize titles, I mean. Ian 05:57, 5 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian.bjorn (talk • contribs)
 * MOS:TITLE contains relevant guidelines to which article titles should be italicized. Most articles don't need italic titles; if the majority of them did, italic titles would be set to default. Airplaneman   ✈  22:48, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Airplaneman.
Fine. I will. Anyway, have any good articles for Major Innovators of the US between late 1800s and early 1900s? Ian 04:14, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Hi! I just found your talk page by chance tonight. I know about the signature, and can you please tell me how to customize a talk page? I prefer not to put down pics, article or not, but I could write a good message. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian.bjorn (talk • contribs) 05:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice to meet you Ian! All you need to do is write a message! If you want customization using wikicode, (see Help:Wikitext and WP:UPDC for more tricks) just experiment to see what you like. You can even copy my format if you want. I just learned through trial and error, as I was a wikicode n00b when I first started editing :). If you're talking about the message that pops up when you're editing this page, see WP:EDITNOTICE. My notice is located at User talk:Airplaneman/Editnotice. The page will help you create one. Does this answer your question? Airplaneman   ✈  17:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes it does! Thanks. Ian.bjorn (talk) 00:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC) But It doesn't really matter. But still, thanks. So how have you been doing lately? (I mean, what are your current statistics for articles?)01:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)~ 01:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC) Ian.bjorn (talk) 01:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC) Ian.bjorn (talk) ~
 * Um... I guess you could look at this and this and this and this and this and this for stats, but those don't really matter. They're just for fun. I think what really matters is if I'm enjoying myself here… and I am! How about you? Airplaneman   ✈  01:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I have something to scream. I LOVE WARRIOR CATS SO MUCH I HAVE AN IMAGINARY GUN ON LIONBLAZE'S AND DOVEPAW'S TAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So do you like warriors? Ian.bjorn (talk) 01:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, they're pretty awesome. Airplaneman   ✈  01:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

In my mind they won the world wars with the guns. Ian.bjorn (talk) 02:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

And, yes. I am having fun. And I'm learning. Ian.bjorn (talk) 01:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good! If you have any questions, just ask. Airplaneman   ✈  01:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Quiz- What song does this come from? "My insides all turned to ash so slow and blew away as I collapsed so cold" by Linkin Park And why do you think they are growing soft? I think it's that they are growing old and lazy(ish). Ian.bjorn (talk) 01:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)````
 * Umm... sorry to break it to you, but see WP:MYSPACE. I have a wiki-email that I check semi-regularly where you can send more personal/un-wiki-related stuff such as this. BTW, dunno what song that is. Airplaneman   ✈  02:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah. OK. So is this a good article? Oahu before 1778 (I'm not sure if it exists) Any way, It's Valentine's Day. Ian.bjorn (talk) 02:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I have my own real email address, but I don't know how to get a wikiemail. Ian.bjorn (talk) 02:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * For the sake of Airplaneman's inbox, I'm not going to tell you how at the moment. 718smiley.svg  THENEW M O NO 02:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, come on. I'd like to do it. Ian.bjorn (talk) 02:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

How do you turn into an admin?Ian.bjorn (talk) 02:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'm going to make a page called World War 1 and the following years. Airplaneman, can you please provide support for me? Ian.bjorn (talk) 03:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not MySpace? Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 03:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

NO IT IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ian.bjorn (talk) 04:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC) PS I AM MORE INTELLIGENT THAN HITLER Ian.bjorn (talk) 04:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

OK everybody, I would like to speak to Airplaneman, no one else. Thanks, Ian Ian.bjorn (talk) 04:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Anyone who replies to me on this page, forget about the talkback thing. I'm watching it. 04:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)04:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)04:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)04:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)04:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC) Ian.bjorn (talk) 04:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Please calm down. Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 04:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

'NO I WILL NOT! "I GIVE IT ALLLLLL AWAY" LINKIN PARK HARD ROCK VERSION'Ian.bjorn (talk) 05:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I feel as if I'm jealous. I hate not getting awards. Ian.bjorn (talk) 06:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC) I HATE NOT GETTING AWARDS! I ONLY GET PAPER. I WANT METAL OR A BARNSTAR OR SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Airplaneman, can you please tell me how to get Wiki Email? I promise, I'll tell you the address when it is done. Ian.bjorn (talk)
 * It's just a separate email account for Wikipedia, nothing special. Derild  49  21  ☼  21:43, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Derild4921. Ian.bjorn (talk) 21:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Email active!Ian 21:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian.bjorn (talk • contribs)

ALL I NEED TO DO IS DESTROY ALL CRIMINALS AND KIDNAPPERS AND NOW I FEEL MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ian 00:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian.bjorn (talk • contribs)

LIONBLAZE! DOVEPAW! COME HERE TO FIRE! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE, HITLER! Ian 00:38, 5 October 2010 (UTC) I have no idea why I said that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian.bjorn (talk • contribs)

Inka 888
I and agree that Inka 888 is ready for the rollback permission. I will contact several people and feel free to discuss on my talk page.-- Talk tome (Intelati) 20:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)