User talk:Airteller10

Your submission at Articles for creation: Electreon Wireless (February 22)
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-Liancetalk/contribs 17:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Electreon (February 23)
 Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_decline/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:Electreon Articles for creation help desk] or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by 331dot was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: This was previously rejected and cannot be resubmitted.

331dot (talk) 08:50, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

It's important to review articles that have been updated with an unbiased point of view in good faith - the content in this submission has been updated and is "sufficiently notable" - coverage by the NYT, WSJ, Bloomberg, Forbes, European research institutes, Axios, TOI, and CNN is notable coverage - these are notable, independent sources. As an editor for this site, it's your responsibility to review articles without prejudgment - especially those that have been updated since prior comments - and apply consistent, unbiased review standards. In order to apply consistent standards of review, please remove ChargePoint, EVBox, and Electrify America pages from this site, as they do not come close to meeting your standards for sufficient coverage, neutrality of non-promotional language, and notability of sources (I will try to find more related articles that are live and need to be removed and bring them to your attention). I welcome any feedback or comments you have for as well since you helped and assisted with updating/adding to the submission (thank you, by the way). Airteller10 (talk) 10:42, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not need you to tell me what my role is here. I deal with the articles/drafts in front of me. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us, even for years. There are numerous ways that can happen. You are welcome to request to be unblocked (which will be reviewed by someone else) and, once unblocked, can help us identify and address other inappropriate articles. Until then, the only purpose of this page is to request unblock.
 * Not every company merits a Wikipedia article, even within the same field. That other companies do (if they do) has no bearing on whether this company does. 331dot (talk) 12:15, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * As this draft was rejected(and even got a second bite at the apple) it will not be considered further unless there is some dramatic change in circumstances. I haven't seen that yet. 331dot (talk) 12:19, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

This most recent draft was changed substantially, with major notable sources added and language changed - assisted as well. That's a "change in circumstances." You're right - other company articles and operations do not have a bearing on this company - that's why this article - having been changed significantly - should be viewed with an unbiased filter, with an open point of view, and with consistent standards applied, but you have failed to do this just now, unfortunately. How can we get ChargePoint, EVBox, and Electrify America removed so that consistent review standards are being applied? Airteller10 (talk) 20:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The draft was rejected once, got a second chance after an appeal, and was rejected again. It's not just me. In any event, before you do anything (including giving your ideas on how to get thousands of volunteers from around the world to do the same thing the same way) you have to get unblocked. Right now that is the only reason you have access to this page. 331dot (talk) 21:05, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Happy to request an unblock and point out more inappropriate articles, but we all know editors here don't wish to be proven wrong or have their actions reversed, so unfortunately, it's likely that unblock is not going to happen.

"The draft was rejected once, got a second chance after an appeal, and was rejected again."

Ok. Good. Thank you for stating the obvious.

And then it was revised substantially based on the feedback from the second rejection, with new notable sources added and additional input from other editors. You seem to be conveniently missing this fact and unwilling to acknowledge it. That's ok, you don't have to review each draft article with an unbiased, objective point of view in good faith. But if that's the case, you're not a Wikipedia editor - your an opinion columnist who applies subjective, and not objective, standards.

Let me re-state again so its clear - '''it was revised substantially based on the feedback from the second rejection, with new notable sources added and additional input from other editors. You seem to be conveniently missing this fact and unwilling to acknowledge it.'''

Again, that's your prerogative, but it's not in line with this community's standards of objectivity, consistency, and editorial review values. Airteller10 (talk) 22:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I hereby acknowledge it. It doesn't change anything. Twice zero is still zero. I am happy to have an extensive discussion with you about how I and other conduct reviews once you are unblocked. If you can convince someone else to unblock you, they may do so without consulting me. I have no problem with that, contrary to your claim. If you aren't going to request unblock, there is nothing more to do here. Good day. 331dot (talk) 22:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Just for fun I looked at the sources that were added yet again and they were not different from what had already been offered, which is what me and others said. 331dot (talk) 22:56, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure why you are making things up and what you have to gain from doing so. Is the New York Times and Wall Street Journal not notable sources? What about CNN and Forbes, which were added since the last rejection? Or how about the Times of Israel, one of the widest circulated news sites in Israel? What if on top of these, additional research reports from independent agencies were added since the last rejection (they were)? Are these not notable? How about Electrive (added since last time) and Green Car Reports - major clean technology outlets - are these not notable? When you mean "multiple" sources for coverage - what do you mean by multiple? A thousand? ten thousand? a million? What if there was ten million sources with significant coverage - would that be enough? Some sources I am not familiar with and didn't add - it's possible they were added by but I am not sure - if they were, I will let them speak for those sources.

Again, I am not sure what you have to gain by lying to yourself and other reviewers about these sources and coverage not being notable - like I said, it's your perogative, but by doing so and failing to remove pages such as ChargePoint and EVBox (which actually lack significant coverage sources and read like brochure advertisements), you are only proving my point that you are not an objective reviewer but a subjective columnist whose values are not consistent from those that this community promotes. Airteller10 (talk) 00:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You are certainly entitled to your views. It's not just me who thinks as I do. If your next comment is anything other than an unblock request, I will remove your access to this page. 331dot (talk) 00:20, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

You are correct that you're not the only editor who thinks like you, though many don't as well and apply objectivity in their review - we know this because the article was actually approved into main space once already, but removed the next day because an editor, like yourself, finds it unacceptable to be proven wrong or contested against with justification. By the way, great deflection above. You identified one source (which I didn't even add) that could be problematic as lacking independence - I agree with you by the way (I didn't add that source), but don't let that source detract from the notability of coverage by the numerous other independent sources named earlier - that would be intellectually dishonest. Airteller10 (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not reviewing this block request, but it does not address the stated reason for the block, sock puppetry. 331dot (talk) 19:50, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no problem whatsoever in any manner with being proved wrong- when I am- I haven't been in this case as far as I am aware. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Electreon has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Electreon. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 08:02, 26 July 2022 (UTC)