User talk:Ajfrontier

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Please tell your students that I have reviewed this and concluded I made a mistake, which unfortunately occasionally happens when editing new pages quickly. The important thing is to straighten out the problem quickly. The program that I and some others usually use shows only changes, not the entire page. This is not really an excuse and is not supposed to be, but occasionally it does lead someone looking at changes to draw the wrong conclusion. Of course, one could pull up the whole page but in my experience at least 99% of the time it would not make a difference. Here it would. Please have them restore the edit, or I can do it. If there is much intervening material, however, I would ask that they be especially sure to check on my restoration to be sure it was correct. Thanks for your explanation and patience. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Donner60 (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, Ajfrontier, and welcome to Wikipedia! It appears you are a course instructor leading a class project.


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Conversation with Zefr
I just met you through a conversation with Zefr. I wanted to note here that I am continuing a conversation which began on that user's page. Since this is more relevant to you I thought that we should move the conversation here.

On that page you raised the issue of when you can bring information from primary sources to Wikipedia. Zefr gave good advice - the default assumption is never - but also as you say there are lots of exceptions when it makes sense to do this. I do not have a quick way to explain what is and is not appropriate, except to say that the Wikipedia recommendation is to do what they think is best and also to be prepared to talk through wiki policy with other editors. I like Wikipedia because my personal experience is that reviewers are thoughtful and consistent in deciding the appropriateness of content.

I see that your student has been editing annonacin with some back and forth posting and reverting with Zefr. That's great, and its part of the process. When there is a disagreement, a further part of the process is discussing on the talk page why certain content should or should not be included. The talk page is at Talk:Annonacin, and discussion on talk pages is definitely part of the Wikipedia experience. I looked at this controversial edit and if this were not challenged by Zefr, it would have been challenged by any of dozens of other reviewers. I can only advise further discussion to talk through why that is, and if you want other opinions or guidance in navigating the quality control checks, you might seek them either at WP:WikiProject Chemistry, WP:WikiProject Medicine, or other expert community forums.

We all appreciate having instructors bring students to Wikipedia and want to make this experience work for you as an instructor and for your students too. I hope you find the collaboration rewarding. Thanks.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  22:36, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi thanks for taking a look at this page and the edits in question. My current understanding of the problem (which I'm not sure is correct) is that this data does not belong under the heading "medical applications," or have any reference to medicine.  Since these are the types of studies and results we see in sources related to our projects (basic research, not medical research), it would be helpful to know how to put it into the article.   Zefr pointed me toward including it as "preliminary research" which sounds fine to me.  I hope I have the right idea, as I hope to be able to explain this to my students tomorrow in class.

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Do you live in the United States? If so, message as that user provides support to science instructors in the US through their employer, the Wiki Education Foundation. Even if you are not in the US or the Wiki Ed Foundation is not a match for what you are doing, then perhaps Ian can orient you to the support which is available.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  22:36, 2 May 2017 (UTC)