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Note regarding Rajput-related articles and editing
RS6784, as you may have noticed I have over the past day responded to complaints and issues stemming from Rajput-related articles at various venues including my talkpage, ANEW, ANI, Talk:Rajput and Talk:Zamindars of Bihar. I am dropping this note to you (and other involved editors) in order to remind you all of the WP:GSCASTE and WP:ARBIPA discretionary sanctions applicable to this subject area, and since the edit-warring, grievance collection and tit-for-tat complaining that I have observed has become disruptive. Setting aside the questions of past interactions and who-is-more-to-blame for now, please try to model your individual editing (which you alone control!) in the future to be in line with wikipedia's content and conduct policies and best practices. Abecedare (talk) 19:14, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I will not respond to any provocations. If the others cross the line, I will not respond them but I am well within the rights to ping you there to see it. Rest, I will follow the instructions as a mark of respect to you. RS6784 (talk) 19:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * He has also disrupted and complete chganged [Ahir] and [Yadav] and related pages. Morever he has been constanly trying to add content without discussing with everyone. Please see edit history Ravibhooria (talk) 09:46, 5 May 2022 (UTC) blocked sock RS6784 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * please don't come up with false accusations, I have only removed WP:RAJ references and added some proper referenced material with respect on Ahir, Yadav. Please don't engage into WP:Hounding. RS6784 (talk) 09:55, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * you have added text without any consensus Ravibhooria (talk) 09:57, 5 May 2022 (UTC) blocked sock RS6784 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * If you have objection with respect to content, you may take it up on talk page of the article, point it out. I have given the quotes for the same, you can put your counter perspective. Till now, I have just removed some WP:RAJ references, WP:HISTRS, or outright questionable references. And again I repeat please remember there is WP: Harassment, WP: FOLLOWING wrt dealing other editors. Thanks RS6784 (talk) 10:01, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If your accounts seems continously to be single purpose account and you still carry out such dits without any consensus i will have to take it to ANI. Thanks Ravibhooria (talk) 10:05, 5 May 2022 (UTC) blocked sock RS6784 (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I haven't edited anything unreferenced, all of it is there, if you have any issue take it to the talk page of article. Rather than accusing me you should be better aware of WP: Hounding, and being a newly created account, the SPA applies on you more.RS6784 (talk) 10:08, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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Hukum boht badhiya javab dete ho itihas choro ko ap. Ahir gujaro ki pol khol di apne badhiya par jaato ka bhi dekho kuch. Sabse jyada itihas inhone churaya hai. Tomar vans ko bi chura rahe hai. Inka bi pol kholo. jay matadi 🙏🏻 103.250.145.175 (talk) 16:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Please read Talk page guidelines, I am a Jain from UP not the one you are thinking to be. I inform you again wikipedia is not for casual talk. RS6784 (talk) 17:05, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Articles created by editor LRBurdak
You have nominated 4-5 articles created by user LRBurdak, two of which are deleted and others are under discussion. I searched for user's history and this editor created quite a lot of articles. While some are notable, many specially articles related to Jat history which by the way are many are poorly sourced and seems to be not notable enough for wikipedia. Many articles are written as if it is Jatland.com which contains same articles with similar language. In my opinion all such articles are to be identified and nominated in combined manner, see WP:MULTIAFD. I think this will be far less laborious and will end this mess. Sajaypal007 (talk) 10:35, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are lots of such articles not only by one editor but new SPAs also coming up with similar articles having poorly or questionable references. RS6784 (talk) 04:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding rape and other stuff on Rajput in Bihar
Hey, i realised after reading the article in one go that bombarding so many case studies regarding rape and sexual misconduct is not the correct way to write a caste related article. A summary may be sufficient for that. You may go through edits to remove the "case studies", you were talking about. I will create a more suitable article on that subject when get time. ThanksAdmantine123 (talk) 12:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

You may move this comment of mine to talk page of that page. has also supported this view. Thanks and best wishes. Admantine123 (talk) 12:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Akalanka820, you can see she has put noping (not ping). Anyway, it is hard to follow multiple threads on multiple pages., please can we put all page content related discussions on the page itself?LukeEmily (talk) 01:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Mu'izz al-Din assasinators
Hello Akalanka820, I want to briefly discuss about your edit on Mu'izz ad-Din article. Here (though it was a year ago); you removed content which is backed by Sita Ram Goel citation, Special:MobileDiff/1059572900. I think that Goel was still a reputable historian of his time though a Hindutva zealot in his later life but still a academic author to be included with a tag of better source needed. However, I agree with you that his most likely assasinators were Khokkars a warlike tribe of Punjab, whom he thrashed brutually in his last campaign just prior to his assasination. Packer&Tracker  «Talk»  13:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Dear, this was discussed with one editor and was removed after it as other references were not backing it. It is more like a very fringe claim. I think this was way back. Yes he might have been killed by Khokhars but in Khokhars in Pakistan Punjab are not jat but of other community. Thanks Akalanka820 (talk) 13:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You are right indeed, many sources states that his killers were Khokhars of Punjab but none relates them with modern day Jats. Ram Lal Khokhar bit is entirely baseless though, he already slaughtered them in hughe number before his assasination. Packer&Tracker   «Talk»  11:55, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

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Sources for categorisation of backward castes in Bihar
Dear, this article mentions survey conducted by officials in govt. of Bihar, which clearly mentions two distinct- OBC and EBC categories. This article from prominent local newspaper clearly mentions distinct communities categorised into OBC and EBCs respectively. This institute established by Govt. Of Bihar mentioned distinct quotas for OBC and EBC castes. I think these are enough to establish constitutional status of backward castes in Bihar and there's no need to add "upper" prefix to backward castes if we have removed "upper" caste from previous sentence already. Regards. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 10:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * please post this on talk page of article. Akalanka820 (talk) 11:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * , Hi, I think a lot of reference are added on this page [], so I am not sure on this. There is some form of ambiguity. Akalanka820 (talk) 11:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not saying that those sources are wrong, these communities do form upper strata of backward castes but as it has been decided to not mention upper/lower term in the lead (they've removed "upper caste" from previous sentence too despite sources provided by me) I don't think that is required, "other backward castes" or OBC will work, we don't need to add "upper" prefix as sources provided by me states too. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 11:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * so there is no perfect consensus on upper/lower addition, still it seems the discussion is going but informally a consensus is there like at the least in content we don't add it. There is a page on it, so for now IMO let it remain. Akalanka820 (talk) 11:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

So, either we should remove it altogether or I can also reinstate my sourced phrase which was deleted citing the same rule. We can't have different rules for same thing. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 11:28, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * it is only for lead content, I think please avoid it for now. Akalanka820 (talk) 11:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I had also added that on lead only. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 11:36, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Look, as of now I will suggest you for no changes. Rest it is upto you but do always remember on this platform you are accountable for any of your edits, even I didn't knew this sometimes back. It is better if you go through some of the rules of Wikipedia and start understanding them. It might be helpful to you. You have already got some recent warnings, it is better to be careful. Thanks Akalanka820 (talk) 11:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Dear, not spying on your chat :-) (but saw this while replying in another section), but humble request to both of you as well as , these discussions about "upper backward" and "backward upper" or whatever it means is a little beyond my understanding sorry :-) - so I cannot contribute much without reading - but please can we have article related discussions on the talk page of the article itself so others can participate? Akalanka820, you pinged me multiple times on the Bihar Rajput page although my point was simple. Anyway, I will reply in a couple of days. Just wanted to let you know so you know I am not ignoring you.LukeEmily (talk) 01:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * , you replied here but didn't when an editor had took your name on the talk page creating impression of consensus. Thanks. Akalanka820 (talk) 04:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

The matter has been settled, you don't need to waste your time on this. Iamritwikaryan (talk) 04:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

If you have time
Hey, Wikipedia is a collaborative platform and i noticed that trust deficit makes things worst here. I remember some editors, who after getting engaged in edit dispute with me on one article tried to destroy other articles to which i significantly contributed. Fortunately they were blocked after I took the matter upto WP:AE. Its also true that i was not here for long and i do only sourced edits, but many a times due to later edits by other editors and bots linked page are removed and it appears that it's not sourced. The best way for such content is to "tag for citation needed" or if interested finding citation for it rather than merely contesting that someone has acted in bad faith. Recently i noticed your activities at Bihari Mauritians and you may have seen that another editor had removed some content on the same ground i mentioned above, but actually it was also sourced and they just assumed that it was some kind of pov-pushing to uplift social status of some castes. Anyways, i just wanted to say that i am writing an article and in that page you may find things that may appear "entirely new concept" to you. Like Kurmi being at top of caste hierarchy in a particular village, where a caste army first arrived to take on Dalits, they called Kurmi as Malik or Zamindar. I know there can be disipute on these things because of a contradictory view that " No, only 4 caste can do this, this can't be true of Kurmis" etc etc. So, if you have time, you may go through _ Smouldering Dalit fire in Bihar whole chapter. This will make my day as lot of hard work is required to create an article and if on the basis of controversial and non- controversial content edit warring occurs, it comes as discouragement to editors like us. Will request to take it positively and don't use it anywhere else as this can't be a ground to get me sanctioned. Cheers :)Admantine123 (talk) 17:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I couldn't understand what are you saying here? Now, what is the problem?  Akalanka820 (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Being the another editor you're referring to, I want to clarify that I had removed that content because the source was not added at the end of the sentence but at the end of the paragraph, which I had missed BUT the context with which it written was quite misleading as a title was linked to the article of an Indian community and the source was not quoted fully pretty conveniently and missed the only word which was fortunately added later by, hence, cleared any misconception. Your activities on the Pages of both Rajput and Rajputs in Bihar has been quite suspicious, (evident from the talk page itself, where you were caught misquoting or quoting selectively, with your old user-name). And I'd like to thank for trying to make wikipedia a better place consistently and being unbiased. You are not supposed to accuse him of bludgeoning. Hope you give value to others' hardwork too.Iamritwikaryan (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Khokhar's ethnicity
Hello Akalanka820; Since you regularly kept an eye on Khokhar article and did a great job at it, I want to draw your attention towards one topic. In this article as it stand, it states that Khokhars are a Muslim tribe which they indeed are, but Afaik there are Hindu Khokhars as well. Here is a reliable academic reference from Dr. Rima Hooja for the same:- A History of Rajasthan (2006, pp:-364)

Please, give a piece of advice on it, Cheers. Packer&#38;Tracker (talk) 06:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * At that time those Khokhars might have been Hindu, as far as I have read they converted in the year of 1200s-1300s but the point here is that Pak Punjab Khokhars are now Muslims and different group. Akalanka820 (talk) 06:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Since, we are talking about Pak Punjab, this book on page 367 here and 379 gives another perspective here, therefore my point is its all complex.Akalanka820 (talk) 06:57, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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, thanks for appreciation. Akalanka820 (talk) 04:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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Jadaun article
Akalanka820; Since you have expertise in topics related to the Yaduvanshis. Could you please take a look at this article considering it's disruptive past ? Chiefly regarding claimed Yaduvanshi decent, Cheers. Packer&#38;Tracker (talk) 03:35, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * dear, any grp or clan of a grp's claimed descent can be mentioned if the content is sourced. Rest I am not any expert, just a learner. Thanks Akalanka820 (talk) 04:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding, albeit my concern is that Yaduvanshi claim doesn't seems to be sourced from a competent WP:HISTRS. Correct me if I’m wrong ? Packer&#38;Tracker (talk) 04:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about this? here-  Their exit is from Brahmapal, the Yadavas, Yadu and claim descend from Krishna., you can remove it as in this context it is from a colonial date ( and reprinted version), not directly fit for talking about group of people. Thanks, this much I can say I have not gone through the article. Akalanka820 (talk) 08:15, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You can replace it with better reference, I am sure there would be available to it. This is my last small suggestion. Thanks Akalanka820 (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Dalits in Bihar
Hi, since you are editing, in case you want to add more cases of violence in backward caste landlords section, keep it short in one para only. I can add numerous violence incident from the list i gave you in Dalelchak Bagahaura talk page in upper caste section, but i chose 2-3 only in which death toll was high, because if we add all those, the article will have that section expanded too much compared to culture and others. I am thinking that for other violence, we should create seperate wiki tables only. One for upper caste landlords and one for backward castes and paste them in section of both landlords.Admantine123 (talk) 07:27, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * the content I added is short compared to the repetitive content I see on the article in some section using journalist works directly. Akalanka820 (talk) 10:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's ok, i am not talking about current one, Pipra is a notable carnage and needed mention. Thanks for that. Journalist works are also good for local incidents. In books we cant find indepth analysis. Just see, i have used primary reporting of 1980s, in later books they have just mentioned these incidents, in short.Admantine123 (talk) 12:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * my point was just that the page deals with Dalits in Bihar, not the crime incident, this is why I think using journalist here looks a bit absurd as they don't provide academic inputs on it. In such topics, higher quality references should be preferred more. Akalanka820 (talk) 15:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, but i have also used journals in Dola Pratha section and in many crime incidents book too. For incidents like Danwar-Bihta book source are not present, so i had to add newspaper reports. Let it be, they are not against Reliable sources/Perennial sources, if any newspaper is banned here; its mentioned there. For example, republic TV is banned on wikipedia.check there.-Admantine123 (talk) 20:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, Farznand Ahmed, whose report i am citing usually, is a very reputed one for bihar related incidents. I recently cited a journal during my edits on Lalu Prasad Yadav. That journal is from Cambridge University press. I noticed that the author of that journal has also taken several inputs regarding some crime related incidents involving Dalits from Ahmed's report. Thanks-Admantine123 (talk) 21:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * not questioning the integrity of the journalist or the reference as such, but better academic sources when quoting such reports will exclude any "masala stuffs" which sometimes gets added into journalist based reports. Secondly, we shouldn't have two approach to atrocities. It seems that post green revolution, conflict between backward castes and Dalits have increased a lot in India ( including Bihar). The part to it must be covered. It is not just limited to two-three massacre by one backward caste community Kurmi, this is where highest quality of academic books become important. For example: Marika Vicziany has documented about various communities who are into backward class segment coming into conflicts with Dalit in different parts of India. She gave example such conflicts not only in Bihar but in MP, West UP, Haryana and even in some parts of South India. Akalanka820 (talk) 16:25, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Uda Devi
Hi, the reason I reverted your edit was because you changed half a sentence to give the sentence a new meaning that may be incorrect. The original implied that Rhansi was different to Devi because she was upper caste whereas your version implies their similarity. In my view it would be better to rewrite the whole sentence to be correct, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 21:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you Sir, for your valuable inputs. Akalanka820 (talk) 06:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Review
Link is given below 👇 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kohra_(estate) DrhSR (talk) 23:29, 10 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't know why this has been posted on my talk page but as per Wikipedia, I think any new article has to be sent for review. I am not the one to review here. Akalanka820 (talk) 04:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I can only suggest that you can go through it [|Wikipedia:Drafts]. It may be useful to you, beyond that I cannot be of much help to you. It would also be good if you can go through WP:RAJ, WP:RSCASTE. Thanks Akalanka820 (talk) 04:08, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Review
Hello Sir, please review this article Babu Bhoop Singh 👇 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babu_Bhoop_Singh DrhSR (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * you may send it for review, posting on my talk page will not help here. I am not the person who reviews the article.Akalanka820 (talk) 05:47, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Reason for removal
Why did you remove Langah Sultanate From Jat dynasties?

there are many reliable sources which satisfies wiki rules

One such source is-https://books.google.com/books?id=oeItAAAAMAAJ&q=Langah+Multan

Invsblewrrior01 (talk) 15:05, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Lambrick was a Brit colonial official, there are very conflicting statements like some mentioning them as Baloch as well. Akalanka820 (talk) 06:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

December 2022

 * , it is more important to see this next diff here- [], to see that I wasn't accusing you here. But yes, continuously reverting to preferably to your liking is not allowed. Akalanka820 (talk) 13:40, 27 December 2022 (UTC)


 * , you are yourself attacking me here directly- [], avoid it as well. I am tagging, they got mentioned by you implying something on line that I endorsed their edits. It is you Admantine123, who is firstly accusing me here.Akalanka820 (talk) 13:46, 27 December 2022 (UTC)


 * , I didn't threatened you at all, I just said that next time you make accusations that I am endorsing and supporting edits of that editor then we will not discuss that on talk page. Akalanka820 (talk) 15:44, 27 December 2022 (UTC)


 * , next time when you put the warning, please do look at the timings of warning which is way late and the comments here- [], You cannot warn someone for the response which they self reverted instantly while formulating their responses. It is very clear. Akalanka820 (talk) 17:13, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Reliable ?
Hello Akalanka820; Is these source WP:HISTRS ? Cited by a user here; diff. Cheers. ∆ P&#38;t ♀√ (talk) 10:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I have no specific opinion on it. Sociological society seems to be an institution. If it is an institution bulletin writen by some scholar, then it should be okay. Akalanka820 (talk) 13:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find the name of the author though. ∆ P&#38;t ♀√ (talk) 13:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I think we all use GS Ghurye as well various sociologists, anthropologists in the wiki articles, I have seen him being used in articles. He was the head of that society. So, prime facie to me it passes the first test, I haven't gone in detail though. Akalanka820 (talk) 13:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)


 * in my view if the author is not historian then it must be removed. Akalanka820 (talk) 13:44, 20 August 2022 (UTC)


 * because the context used here is bit controversial. Akalanka820 (talk) 13:45, 20 August 2022 (UTC)


 * the link doesn't talk about anything history but on other topics, in the context definitely not a good source. Akalanka820 (talk) 13:49, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Your opinions don't dictate Wikipedia's articles. GujaratiHistoryinDNA (talk) 21:26, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Happy Diwali Akalanka820 !!
∆ P&#38;t ♀√ (talk) 15:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


 * My apologies, for not responding it as quickly as possible. Happy Diwali to you and your loved ones as well. Akalanka820 (talk) 12:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * I have closed this as a decline since the discussion seemed to form a consensus that a) the INB discussion held promise, and b) it was too much to say that you were the primary editor responsible for the warring, a conclusion I agree with from my review of the article history. Nonetheless, please do take care to stick to discussion in the future. Daniel Case (talk) 19:43, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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