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DVDs Eastern Front
I recommend these DVD -Worth the cost

Russia's war blood upon the snow For Anti-Stalin POV

The Unknown War" For pro Soviet POV I saw this back in 1978 and recently purchased the DVDs

Regards --Woogie10w (talk) 21:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Krivosheev's fuzzy math
Since you have the English translation of Krivosheev you can check his numbers. Go to page 91 Figures in millions

Add Total force 1941 & drafted in war – 34.477

Add NKVD from page 85—0.103

Less: the 7 lines from sick leave to not found after deserting-(9,693)

Less: Returned from Captivity after war from page 85 (1.836)

Less:On duty at wars end (12,840)

Total-Losses –Not including partisans-militia (10,211)

Note well Krivosheev deducts 939,700 –men redrafted during the war from his total losses. This is an error since the total drafted of 29,574,900 does not include the number drafted twice. This table on Page 91 does not appear in the original Russian version.

Also what a coincidence that his figure of 8,668,400 is almost the same as his figure of Axis losses of 8,649,500

Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I didn’t see this before. That is revealing. Although some of Krivosheev’s figures may be correct for single operations, his tendency is clear when he tries to compare Axis and Soviet total casualties on the last pages.

And do you know this book: John Erickson / David Dilks: Barbarossa, the Axis and the Allies. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press, 1995. ISBN 0-7486-0504-5. On pp. 264-266 the authors cite extensively Krivosheev’s figures for single operations – but they mistake Krivosheev’s „irrecoverable losses“ (which contain esp. in 1941 a lot of POWs) for „killed in action“!! Regards, --Akribes (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * No I have not seen this book, but I do have John Erickson's Road to Stalingrad & Berlin, they are classics along with Ziemke. Back in the 1980's I attended lectures by Dave Glantz, he is so cool that the air in room starts to freeze. Secondary sources often have typos re casualties, and they wind up on Wikipedia! That is why I always try to use official sources.--Woogie10w (talk) 22:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Great battles on the eastern front : the Soviet-German War, 1941-1945
I own and highly recommend this book. Statistics on the Battles- Bring plenty of change, You will want to copy this for sure,

Great battles on the eastern front : the Soviet-German War, 1941-1945Author: Trevor N Dupuy; Paul Martell

You will find this at

Bayerische Staatsbibliothek Ludwigstraße 16 80539 München

Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 23:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

War in the East : the Russo-German conflict, 1941-45
This is another out of print book that has statistical analysis, really interesting The author Jim Dunnigan works on Wall St in the real world.

War in the East : the Russo-German conflict, 1941-45

Author:	James F Dunnigan; et al

Publisher:	New York : Simulations Publications, 1977.

Available In Germany

1. Die Deutsche Nationalbibliothek Frankfurt AM Main, D-60322 Germany

2. Helmut-Schmidt-Univ,Univ Bund Hamburg Hamburg, D-22043 Germany

Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 00:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

German POW figures -Overmans
Hi it’s me again:

You can use a 2nd Overmans book to compare the figures of Krivosheev and Overmans. In the book below Overmnans has figures on German POWs alive in Soviet captivity. All you need to do is add them to his figures for German military deaths to compare losses. The only adjustments needed are for Axis casualties. The Axis casualties were incurred mostly in 1942 at Stalingrad. Plug in the deaths for Soviet Allies in 1945 and add the 1.5 million extra Soviet POW in 1941. We have Apples and Apples, no Papkria chips.

Soldaten hinter Stacheldraht : Deutsche Kriegsgefangene des Zweiten Weltkriegs / Rüdiger Overmans 2000

Happy New Year --Woogie10w (talk) 14:32, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for all this, that is very kind of you! I am looking forward to borrowing these books. As for me, I am quite familiar with „Das deutsche Reich und der Zweite Weltkrieg“ which has been published by MFGA (like Overmans’ „Deutsche militaerische Verluste“). A very extensive, well-founded work in 10 volumes which I had used several times for improving articles in the German Wikipedia (there a lot of work still needs to be done).

Regarding civilian casualties in the Battle of Berlin 1945: Please see my contribution here []. The German’s War Grave Commission (Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgraeberfuersorge) should not easily be dismissed as a further source for casualties (at least for gettin an impression): www.volksbund.de. Regards --Akribes (talk) 19:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Another Book
The book listed below has information on the mathematical analysis of battles, I did a lot of work with it in the 1980’s and still have the book and my calculations on the Eastern Front. I need to update those old calculations based on the Overmans & Krivosheev numbers. You can buy the book at ABE for only $8.62. It’s worth the money.

Author is T.N. Dupuy

Title is Numbers, prediction, and war: Using history to evaluate combat factors and predict the outcome of battles

Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 20:57, 1 January 2010 (UTC)