User talk:Aksi great/Archive 8

Category:Hindu politicians
Users are trying to misinterpret the consensus and use their interpretations of WP:BLP to remove politicians from the Hindu cat. Since you wrote the scope of the cat, you may want to check out Talk:Jyotiraditya Madhavrao Scindia. Using his coronation, isnt it perfectly obvious he was born a Hindu. Since there are no sources saying he is any other religion or philosophy, dont you think the cat should stay?Bakaman Bakatalk 21:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * On this matter: WP:BLP requires self-identification. Participation in a public Hindu ceremony isnt sufficient self-identification, as many individuals who are non-Hindu may so participate. If there are no sources about his religious preferences, then there are no sources. As I have quoted elsewhere.
 * From wp:blp under categorisation, it is required that :
 * The subject publicly self-identifies with the belief or preference in question
 * The subject's beliefs or sexual preferences are relevant to the subject's notable activities or public life
 * As you can see, this isnt OR, or my interpretation. The individual in question meets none of the criteria. If you wrote the original cat, I suggest you reword the introduction to make it clear that no additions should violate WP policy. Hornplease 21:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * aksi, he had a Hindu coronation, and his father had a Hindu death ceremony. By Indian law, he is a Hindu and this trumps the BLP canard.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Watch your words. 'Canard' isnt appropriate as a description here. I dont want to remind you about civility on somebody else's talkpage, but so be it. Note that your claim that his father had a Hindu death ceremony = he was a Hindu under law is inaccurate even under Indian law. In any case WP has policy on this. Live with it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hornplease (talk • contribs).


 * Look at the scope for Category:Muslim politicians, Category:Sikh politicians and the like. In response, the CfD closed with no conditions, meaning your scope was the end result. Belonging to Rajmata Scindia's party and having a Hindu coronation ceremony indicated hids religion. Look at Shaukat Aziz by Hornplease's logic since he's never said "I am a Muslim/Hum Musssalman Hai/etc." he doesnt deserve recognition in the Muslim politicians cat? When you say we, its obvious Hornplease would be the only real dissenter (were not counting the Anti-Hindu trolls who no one listens to). Religion is always notable in India, Madhya Pradesh is the place where people have a choice between  Uma Bhartiji (hard line Hindutva) or the Secular Arjun Singh. His religion is definitely notable in this context as well as his relations to the Nepali royal family, Vasundhara Raje, Rajmata Scindia and the like, all of whom are documented Hindus. Saying a connection between religion and politicians in India is nn is a joke. Bakaman Bakatalk  16:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * see article talk page.Bakaman Bakatalk 17:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I cant recall if wp:blp was policy when the cfd closed. In any case, wp:blp is now policy, and needs to be followed. Thats it. And frankly, baka, I think youre getting it now. "I am X" is precisely what self-identification means. As I said, it is very stringent, but there's nothing to be done about it now. And finally, as I said on the talkpage, other people's use of religion has no bearing on Scindia, unless he uses it as well, in which case it becomes relevant. Hornplease 22:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hornplease has actually stated that things arent good enough for him. As far as I'm concerned, I actually dont care what he thinks is fine, and since he declared his obstinate-ness, I dont need to explain anymore. Look at Talk:Jyotiraditya Madhavrao Scindia .Bakaman Bakatalk 01:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: FA?
Hi,

I am an editor in the Trivandrum article. You can definitely go ahead with the copy-edits and thus can help in lifting the article to the FA status. You can leave a message in my talk page, for any help needed from my side.

Thanks in advance....-- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 16:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

Regarding the usages in the lead: "lovely beach side city": the word 'lovely' is removed. "political nerve centre": It is not a toned up sentence. Since the city is the capital of the state, it is obviously the political centre of the state. "major academic hub": the sentence is reframed to major academic hub in Kerala. "premier educational institutions": premier is removed. "first Information technology park of its kind": This is a fact. The references are provided in the economy section, where Technopark is mentioned. "home to many of the world's leading technology companies" - Sentence is reframed.

-- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 16:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It is not advisable to put references in the lead section of an article, as per WP:LEAD. The sentences you mentioned was holding references, which was removed after the Wiki peer review. However, for the claim that Technopark is the first of its kind in India, the reference is provided in the economy section. I will create a stub on Kazhakoottam as you said. The sources for the name change also can be done. -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 18:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for your wishes on my birthday, aksi! I really appreciate it BTW, I had exams that day and on the next, so no real chance of enjoying. I promise I'll make up after the exams :) -- May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 06:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Mahindra World City
Hello Bhadaniji. Hope all is well. Can you take a look at Mahindra World City? The place does not seem to be very notable to me. I wanted to mark it for deletion, but wanted your suggestions first. Is it a notable place in chennai? Because as of now, it reads somewhat like an advertisement. Regards, Aksi_great 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello. Great meeting the Aksi Great after a long gap. Let me see as the page is around for a long time - though that may not make it notable. Still let me think over. --Bhadani 18:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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Vishnu Bhagwat
Thanks for copyediting and thus improving the page to make it good for DYK. Shyamsunder 14:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Question
Do you know of any indicators of the housing market in India? For example, in Canada and USA there are indicators that state the if the value of homes are going up or down etc.--Endgame1 12:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for the rvv! ➨  ЯEDVERS 

Barnstar moved to user page - Aksi_great (talk) 08:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)a
 * Boo hoo. I want one too. ;_; &mdash; Nearly Headless Nick  {L} 18:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Shahbag Google Earth Image
I completely appreciate and accept your concern - "Google prohibits the commercial use of these images and such images are not allowed on wikipedia." But, I do not think WP amounts to "commercial use". It is more like "educational use". And, please, check the answer to a question on copyright provided by Google Earth authorities (I have attached the answer in text and provided a link to it on the image page). If it is really unacceptable, I will replace it. But, please, check again before it is deleted. - Aditya Kabir 18:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC) - please, answer to my talk page
 * Okay. I get your point. Sorry about the mistake. I'll replace it with a self created image. - Aditya Kabir 18:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC) - please, answer to my talk page

Question 2
You say each city has a different trend regarding the Housing Industry. I am wanting to know more about Mumbai (Bombay). Would you please help me? --Endgame1 23:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Syed Ahmed Khan
Hi - I request you to please visit Syed Ahmed Khan and its FAC. I need your input, advice and criticism. Many thanks, Rama's arrow  01:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias


Hey aksi, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, &mdash; Khoikhoi 04:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Invitation for WikiProject Maharashtra
Hi there,

A new project has been created, to exclusively deal with Maharashtra and Marathi-related articles. You are invited to join the WikiProject Maharashtra. The project aims to develop Marathi and Maharashtra-related articles to Featured Article-status. You can join the WikiProject by adding your username here. However, don't forget to visit the project page. This is of course, a sister project of Portal:Maharashtra. Come, join us in developing Wikipedia. Thanks,

-- N R S | T/M\B 10:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanx, and Happy Diwali to you as well.


 * Well I didn't check the image. I'll change it rightaway. Thanks for pointing it out. Bye.


 * -- N R S | T/M\B 10:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Diwali!
Hello aksi, I wish you a very happy Diwali! May you enjoy yourself on this day commemorating good over evil. Cheers! -- May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 12:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Another Diwali greeting!
Happy Diwali from BostonMA talk 13:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Happy Diwali (or Deepavali as we call it here in Singapore)! Hope you enjoy your weekend, and let the good overcome the evil for you. --Ter e nce Ong (T 13:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The lighted path
I thank you for your greetings. I wish you All The Best on the ocasion of the Indian festival of light, Diwali. I am sure that the light of hope, confidence, and all positive attributes shall always remain inside you – lighting your path and guiding you to attain higher and higher levels of excellence in all your endevours! All the best! --Bhadani 15:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi! A belated Happy Diwali!--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really a nice time. People were burning crackers, while I had a terrble night duty, with loads of minor (thank god!) burn patients.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Belated Diwali greetings from me too! I've returned home after 50 hours of no sleep and fixing 6 stomachs and a colon from hemorrhage and a liver from failing.  Oh well!  Take care -- Samir धर्म  22:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Best wishes celebrating good triumph over evil! GizzaChat  © 23:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

DYK pic
Hello. I tried the image at 110px in my sandbox and it appears there. Take a look. If it appears on your screen too, then you can change the template to 110px. - Aksi_great (talk) 14:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems to work properly at 110px. Great job, Aksi great. Thanks. -- PFHLai 15:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Some problem again. I can't see the pic any longer. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've refreshed DYK with new entries and the new pic seems to work fine on my screen. I hope this is the end of the problem. --PFHLai 17:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. Everything looks fine now. That particular image must not have liked being cropped. :) - Aksi_great (talk) 17:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Good to know that it is still working. Thanks. No more cropping by me for the next little while, I suppose. --PFHLai 17:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations
I congratualte you on your elevation to sysop. All the best! --Bhadani 04:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! Now get to work. :) -- Ganeshk  ( talk ) 04:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)



Congratulations
You know the drill, so read my other comments if you need advice. You'll do fine, so have fun and keep up the good work! - Taxman Talk 04:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Woo-hoo!!! Congratulations man on an impressive RfA!  Do well with the tools!! -- Samir धर्म  04:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yay!! We have our 20th Indian administrator! Congrats, aksi. All the best!--thunderboltz(Deepu) 04:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations again. No opposes in good faith....Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats!!U certainly deserve adminship.All the best! Mahawiki 05:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Congrats!!
Hi aksi, Hearty Congratulations on the occasion of becoming an Admin. Wish you all the best! - KNM Talk 04:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Aksi, congratulations on your fantastic RfA result and all the best with your adminship.:) Sarah Ewart (Talk) 14:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * A big thanks to all you guys. - Aksi_great (talk) 18:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hearty congratulations from my side too!! :) Sarvagnya 21:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Congrats - and also good catch on notability. I didn't see your RfA but looks like the voters made a wise choice! (I am newly mopped also -- not quite a week.) Cheers! --Ginkgo100 talk · e@ 02:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations to our newest Indian admin! If you have any questions about admin-related tasks, feel free to contact me. =) Nish kid  64  03:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey aksi, congrats!! -- Lost (talk) 03:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yuppeee!!! Congrats man!--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

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Blocking vandalism accounts
Regarding &, accounts that have been used only (or even just mostly) for vandalism should always be blocked indefinitely. —Centrx→talk • 04:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Block of Hkelkar
This may be of some interest to you: User talk:Hkelkar. Daniel.Bryant 06:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Good block. -- Steel 11:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Reply
Hey.. no probs. I really feel you're doing a good job and I still appreciate all that you(and Amerique) tried to do on the Belgaum page. Am sure I'll keep bumping into you more often when I take up completing WP:KAR again. And this time, let's hope I dont step on WP:GUJ, albeit inadvertantly. :) Sarvagnya 11:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Warning
Yes, you're right. Sorry for this. That was too much of a tentation... Sorry again. TwoHorned 13:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I removed my unnecessary edits. Thanks for notifying me. TwoHorned 13:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you kidding me aksi? Incivility on Hinduism/India politics related pages is the rule, not the exception. I see that many Indian users support you and respect you (myself included) and you decided to stab them in the back. I see you've managed to overlook some personal attacks and what not. What are you trying to prove?Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 13:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I really don't understand what you are playing at, Bakaman. Wikipedia is not a battlefield, and administrators are expected to remain unbiased in every situtation. I completely endorse aksi's block on Hkelkar – who has been incivil and has made injudicious comments regarding other users. I would always endorse a ban on users who exhaust the patience of the community and have nothing productive to give to the encyclopedia. "... you decided to stab them in the back...", really Bakaman – you need to get your issues cleared. &mdash; Nearly Headless Nick  <font color="black" title="Admin actions">{L} 16:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well then a large % Indian users would be banned. Jeez, shoot the messenger. Who's going to stick up for Hkelkar if I dont? Didn't I also say "I see that many Indian users support you and respect you (myself included)"? Is expressing my opinion something wrong? Forget I ever brought this up.

To NHN: You know someone has to do the dirty work. (I'll leave it at that)Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 04:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Re: Warning
Yes, we are building an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is very great on about all sciences and humanities articles, but frankly, some of the articles related to recent historical events, controversial political matters, controversial authors etc. will definitely need some kind of re-reading by professional and academic third-parties. Too many articles of this kind are vandalized by ignorant and extremely partial misconducts: as the time is going on, these articles do no get better. May be the limits of Wikipedia are attained there. Bye. TwoHorned 15:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Nitish katara
Hi aski I am Nitish katara's mother Justice is not an end product.I have followed my son's case for the last 4+ years, I have appealed to higher courts when there were lapses. Public opinion is important in a Democracy and debate needs to be encouraged. Thre is no level playing field when u and I are pitted against Money muscle and political power -so we need to speak our minds Nilam katara

Kalapuya
Thank you very much for helping me with (locking/unlocking) Kalapuya. It's the first time I've dealt with the page lock system on wikipedia, and you made it a good experience. Cheers! Erich Blume 08:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Warning
Why am I not allowed to suspect him of sockpuppetry? You can give me as many final warnings as you want but the fact is he is a likely sockpuppet and I will create a sockpuppet case to this effect. BhaiSaab talk 10:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? BhaiSaab talk 10:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It is not at all a bait. Hkelkar already knows what I think about him - I just pointed out another similarity. BhaiSaab talk 11:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No in fact I do not know why you warned me because I think your warning was pointless. I find it useful to keep a list of similarities I have observed on his talk page, because it would not be acceptable in my own user space. BhaiSaab talk 11:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just replied back to Kelkar..and chanced upon this page...Actually, I think, we should give some more time to him and see if he still improves his ways..he already has loads of final warnings and a checkuser that though inconclusive - maintained that both are probable sockpuppets.If he is certainly one - his luck will run out completely one day.TerryJ-Ho

Formal request for admin intervention
This is phase one of my taking formal action against User:Mahawiki and his friends. Apart from constantly peppering any article they edit with fanatical Maharashtrian POV (note - I am a Maharashtrian and like many others I disagree with them), they do so by hiding behind personal attacks WP:NPA that they use to justify their edits. Mahawiki and his friends pay no attention at all to the readability of an article, and are only interested in getting their POV in.

My next step will be to list them in WP:PAIN, and will take matters progressively higher until these individuals stop their mindless edits that destroy the readability and structure and value of an article, which amounts to vandalism of articles.

In addition, they appear to roam in packs, with one supporting the other in any dispute, giving the hapless editor in their sights no chance at all to present a defence. And their weapon of choice is reverts - they will revert any edit by an editor not part of their pack, without any discussion on the talk page, and without following any of the rules of Wikipedia. User:Mahawiki is most notorious for this.

In the matter of the Belgaum article, it has been proven beyond doubt that User:Mahawiki has no knowledge at all about the city or the people living there, and is simply using the article (and other articles) for propaganda in a highly political campaign. He has contributed nothing of note to most of the articles that he has edited this way, but will launch a personal attack anyone who dares to remove his politico-fanatical edits from the article. He has shown no understanding for the fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a platform for politicking.

Before beginning this formal action, I have conferred with several admins and other knowledgable WP people, and have gone through the applicable rules on WP.


 * Phase one is contacting admin(s) who are familiar with the situation (we are here)
 * This should result in and  notices to the user.
 * Phase two is listing a formal complaint on WP:PAIN
 * Phase three is taking this matter to WP:AN
 * Phase four will be to take the matter to WP:Arbitration.

As you are an admin familiar with the situation, I request you to intervene in this matter. This is not just a matter of the Belgaum article but of many other articles being affected by this user and his friends.

Achitnis 10:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * == Belgaum article ==

Dear Aksi,

Please look at the article the only changes I have made is those.I have moved border dispute section above and placed it after history section. It was originally at bottom and I think the issue is significant enough to placed on top.Other minor changed is that i have added The Maharashtra government contested the inclusion, claiming the district for itself on the grounds that the district had more Marathi speaking people than Kannada speaking people according to 1951 census.Which is in accordance to the citation I have provided and translated on Belgaon border dispute's talk page.

Mr.Chitnis who claims to be from Belgaum and know everything doesnt know that thr Belgaum city is the centre of the dispute!In fact he once said 'if u dont know me u r not from Belgaum!' (yes,i am serious!).One can understand how serious he is on wikipedia! His post to u also meant to threaten me! It is nothing but a personal attack and a bid to scare me off!! All he can do is label my citations and edits as political! God knows what exactly this means.I am not a MES or Sena worker,whatever I edited there was based on facts.

belgaum border dispute article was seperated from main article on Mr.chitnis's insistance. sadly he isnt doing so called 'expansion' or 'improvement' of article as he claimed. I request u to advice on this matter. Mahawiki 11:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Advert vs Spam
Good call on changing the warning to advert. I had no idea that template even existed! :) --Brad Beattie (talk) 11:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I tend to use Template messages/User talk namespace. I just didn't think to search for "ad" instead of "spam". The table is probably a little more user friendly to look at than the raw categories. --Brad Beattie (talk) 11:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

All the Best!
I wish you all the best for your examinations. --Bhadani 01:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

INCOTW
I will take care of it until you return. -- Ganeshk  ( talk ) 06:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion on caste
Your input would be appreciated on whether lists or cats should be used for caste lists on the Indian Noticeboard.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 19:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

IRC

 * I'm logged in to #wikipedia-in but haven;t seen your id there.Perhaps you should email me using the wikipedia interface.Hkelkar 02:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Issues
You've been named to this ArbCOM case to present evidence against "allegations" of "sockpuppetry" on User:Hkelkar's behalf.Bakaman <sub style="color:blue;">Bakatalk 02:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

For your user page
Hi aksi, here's a mop icon for your user page, if you so desire. Sorry for the length: -- Samir धर्म 07:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

physicists
I've got it, thanks. dab (ᛏ) 08:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey Aksi, thanks!! -- Lost (talk) 13:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey Aksi, your block is not showing up on this ip's log for some reason and he's still going on vandalising -- Lost (talk) 13:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Kalapuya
Just a heads up if you are around, it looks like the kids may start up vandalizing that page again. Thanks for protecting it before. Katr67 17:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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