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Gamal Abdel Nasser
I was watching some documentaries about Nasser and you came to mind, so I though why not come to say hi. I haven't been active here for a long while, but I've recently created an article. I think you will like the book.  Mohamed CJ  (talk)  15:41, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Great hearing from you again old friend. Excellent work with the article, just read through it. The book seems very interesting, I will need to get a hold of it soon. Hopefully we and others could one day work on revamping the Arabs article, which is an utter mess. --Al Ameer (talk) 16:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Um El Kundum
The town name is Um El Kundum in all official state and city records. Why did you scrap the page and have it directed to an unofficial name that makes no sense except as a stilly attempt to obfuscate its real name, using unreliable sources to make the case for that (when again, it's kundum in official sources)? What's your angle? Julia Domna Ba&#39;al (talk) 09:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The article was formerly “Umm al Kundum”. I simply added the hyphen between “al” and “Kundum” to make it “Umm al-Kundum”. The only “angle” was applying the standard manual of style for Arabic names on Wikipedia. Another user later moved it to its present name “Umm El Kindam”. If “Um El Kundum” is the most common spelling then move it or open a move discussion. —Al Ameer (talk) 13:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I thought you moved it. My bad. Julia Domna Ba&#39;al (talk) 13:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Marwan I scheduled for TFA
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 * Thank you today for the article, about "the fourth Umayyad caliph. His reign was short, less than a year, but impactful—he founded the Marwanid house which ruled the Caliphate for a further 65 years. Having been expelled with his whole clan from Medina, where he had served as the right hand of Caliph Uthman and governor for Caliph Mu'awiya I, Marwan reestablished Umayyad power across Syria and Egypt after it was reduced to the environs of Damascus as a result of the Second Muslim Civil War and set up his sons Abd al-Malik and Abd al-Aziz for great political success."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Ref in Battle of Khazir
Current ref #4 and #9 both reference "Robinson 2000" but there are two works by this author in 2000 listed in the bibliography. Therefore, can't tell which source the short notes are supposed to reference. Based on page numbers, I would assume that #4 is to the "The Encyclopaedia of Islam" (but there is a typo in page number and it should be 763 not 753), and #9 is to "Empire and Elites after the Muslim Conquest". Can you please clarify that this is correct? See documentation on how to resolve the issue here: Template:Sfn. (The error is placing the page in Category:Harv and Sfn multiple-target errors). Thanks, Renata (talk) 21:20, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Banner of Banu Kalb
Hello, can you explain why you removed the Banu Kalb Banner, its well-sourced and based on David Nicolle "Armies of the Muslim Conquest" And Martin Hinds "The Banners and Battle Cries of the Arabs at Siffin" Al-Abhath XXIV. These sources are used all over Wikipedia and are considered reliable, why do you think they are not reliable in this particular case? --MWahaiibii (talk) 11:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I noticed these flags on the articles of several Arab tribes. How do you mean they are sourced to Nicolle and Hinds? It seems a bit conjectural. Are the flags actually depicted in those books or are they described? How does Nicolle know if this was the tribal flag? Does Nicolle cite any sources for this flag or other flags? As for use of Hinds, if a tribe used a banner in Siffin in 657 does that necessarily mean it was the tribe's flag throughout history? I wonder if you could send me Hinds's article? I'd be interested to read it. Al Ameer (talk) 16:16, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the main source Al Abhath Vol 24 they are illustrated on page 33, it is in English and Arabic. But, they are better illustrated and way clearer in David Nicolle's Armies of the Muslim Conquest, which cites Hinds. Also, I did mention that the banners are as observed at the Battle of Siffin, though I might've missed mentioning that on some pages. --MWahaiibii (talk) 19:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Nominations for the 2020 Military history WikiProject Newcomer and Historian of the Year awards now open
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Thank you
Hi! Many thanks for your explanation on Talk:Quda'a. You seem to know a lot about this subject. I'm trying to update the update the text about the history of Palestine under the caliphates here: History of Palestine. If you are interested, your feedback would be very welcome. Im The IP (talk) 19:20, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Anytime Working on the early Islamic period of Palestine has long been on my agenda as well. There are many reliable, academic sources available about this period. I'll review and let you know my thoughts at that article's talk page. I plan on expanding Jund Filastin, i.e. the part of Palestine south of the Galilee, soon. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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Mr. Dixon
Hi

If you haven't got a copy of Dixon's book yet, I got a good news for you. Just mined it yesterday ;). -- AhmadLX-(Wikiposta ) 15:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent, I would definitely be interested. —Al Ameer (talk) 19:10, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Check your mail.-- AhmadLX-(Wikiposta ) 19:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Article Utba ibn Abi Sufyan and article Zufar ibn al-Harith al-Kilabi
hello sorry to disturb the article Utba ibn Abi Sufyan it seems there was an error and in the article Zufar ibn al-Harith al-Kilabi, is it not known the time and place of his death? thank you Iylaq (talk) 03:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC) Hello, no bother at all. I could not find any date, place or cause of death for Zufar. As for Utba, which error? Al Ameer (talk) 06:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

the mistake is in the sentence "He led the Hajj again in February 667 and January 668." while Utba died in 665 Iylaq (talk) 09:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for spotting this. Just checked Tabari to verify. There is discrepancy in the sources. I clarified in the article. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the fix Iylaq (talk) 22:37, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Map request
Hi Al Ameer son, the first draft of the map can be found , and on the right of the page. I have chosen new colours that work well on maps with borders (see here to know more), these can be changed to any others as you wish (exact colour codes are available here). The text is in German, tell me if you want it changed to English, which is fiddlly but possible. Let me know what you want. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 15:57, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You're the man Excellent work. The German is fine. There is one important adjustment that needs to be made: the area along the southern Caspian coast, i.e. what the map shows as the provinces of Djordjan (Jurjan), Tabaristan, and Deilen (Daylam) need to be colored differently from the western Caspian/Caucasus areas of Aran, Iberien (Iberia) and Armenien (Armenia). Currently it is all purple. This may have been missed because in the original map, the south Caspian was colored light brown and the west Caspian/Caucasus was colored dark brown, as these two areas were conquered in different phases of the conquests, but the similarity in color in the original map made it hard to distinguish. Al Ameer (talk) 19:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, easily fixed. Amitchell125 (talk) 20:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you ;) I will update the article shortly with your much improved map. --Al Ameer (talk) 22:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
I have a little new year's song on the Main page, happy 2021! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you today for Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan, "about the most successful caliph in history. At the time of his accession, the Umayyad Caliphate had lost about two-thirds of its territory to Muslim rivals, a resurgent Byzantium and Berber rebels, while his Syrian home front faced multiple threats. In 15 years he defeated them all. The caliphate's reunification was coupled with unprecedented centralization. A uniquely Islamic currency was introduced and Arabic became the language of administration, setting in motion its development as the lingua franca of the Arab world. The Dome of the Rock he founded in Jerusalem, the first great monument built by a Muslim ruler, contains the earliest inscriptions proclaiming "Islam" and its prophet Muhammad. No caliph before him and few after him played such a formative role in the creation of the Muslim state. The foundations he laid enabled his son and successor to oversee the Umayyads' greatest territorial extent and peak of prosperity, though the dependence on the Syrian army begun by him contributed to the dynasty's ignominious fall in 750."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Merchandise Giveaway Nomination – Successful


Hey Al Ameer son,

You have been successfully nominated to receive a free t-shirt from the Wikimedia Foundation through our Merchandise Giveaway program. Congratulations and thank you for your hard work! Please email us at merchandise@undefinedwikimedia.org and we will send you full details on how to accept your free shirt. Thanks!

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 * Wow, thank you . Very kind of you to nominate me, I am honored :) Al Ameer (talk) 05:13, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, thoroughly earned :) Constantine  ✍  07:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you ya ! Means a lot from you my friend. Definitely plan on FAC in not-so-distant future. If you have any material about the Emir's architectural works/legacy, please add or let me know where to find. Regards, Al Ameer (talk) 16:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Habibi I got a couple of paywalled articles but they only brushed the surface. I will keep looking. I have a couple of

Lebanese architecture books at my parents' house that I can check for you. Also I have the "Renaissance Emir" that discusses the life of the prince particularly his architectural contributions and talks about the mandaloun at length. I will also have to get this from my parents' place. Ping me in two days if i dont get back to you. _Elias Z. (talkallam) 07:17, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your help . There's certainly no hurry, so please take your time. I still have not finished mining Stefan Weber's article on 17th-century Sidon's urban landscape, which offers a lot of material about the Ma'ns' contributions to that city's architecture. Also have Elie Haddad's Myth and Reality: The 'Tuscan Influence' on the Architecture of Mount Lebanon. Very interested about the mandaloun, have not heard of it until now. Al Ameer (talk) 19:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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Requesting article expansion help
Greetings

Requesting you to visit articles Islamic advice literature and Draft:Aurats (word) and please do expand them if find yourself interested.

Thanks and warm regards

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Missing ref
Hi, Al Ameer son, I hope you are doing well! Can you add the work that Kennedy 2006 refers to in the sources section? Cheers, Constantine  ✍  10:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, same to you. Added the missing source. I plan to add a bit more from it to the article very soon. Cheers —Al Ameer (talk) 14:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Great to hear, looking forward to it. It would be nice to get it to FA eventually. Constantine  ✍  14:12, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

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The 1860 Damascus massacre
Dear Al Ameer son,

This is Thomas, I am a Dutch student. Me and a fellow student want to help you with the 1860 Damascus massacre Wikipedia page for a class. I hope this is okay with you?

Kind regards, Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasStein997 (talk • contribs) 10:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Certainly, I look forward to your contributions. Al Ameer (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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Asking
hello Al Ameer son, sorry to interrupt, I would like to ask about this sentence ➡ "the daughter of Sa'id ibn Uthman (a son of Caliph Uthman) and Ramla bint Abi Sufyan" in the article Abd Allah ibn Yazid. does that mean Ramla is also married to Sa'id? Thank you sorry for disturbing Iylaq (talk) 06:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No disturbance at all. Incidentally, I think you discovered a mistake on my part. This daughter of Sa'id was married to Mu'awiya's son Abd Allah, not Yazid's son by the same name. This is what I have from the source Ahmed 2010, p. 113 and note 586: "'The sources only mention three children of Sa'id [b. Uthman], two born to a daughter of Abu Sufyan b. Harb and one to an unidentified woman.[586] Of the children born to Abu Sufyan's daughter, A'isha bt. Sa'id married Abdallah b. Mu'awiya b. Abi Sufyan ... ; we know nothing about her son Muhammad. Note 586: [The daughter of Abu Sufyan is] Identified as Ramla at IS [Ibn Sa'd], 5: 153. This is a rare instance of a Uthmanid taking a daughter of the ruling [Sufyanid] house to wife. Given that she was of Uthman b. Affan's generation (perhaps its younger member), one might guess that the marriage was contracted early—perhaps even during Uthman's caliphate.' --Al Ameer (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)"

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Jerusalem during the Early Muslim period
Hi Al Ameer. You're doing a tremendous work. When you feel like you've reached the final form, please give me a ping, I'll pore over it. One question/suggestion: Now for the hurried user, can there be a way of getting the main information at a short glance? Maybe an "Overview" section ahead of the sub-periods? I guess not every user will want to go into deep detail. The Umayyad section has reached a respectable size. What do you think? Have a great weekend! Arminden (talk) 21:48, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will notify you as soon as I think the 630s–750 period is done. Should be next week hopefully. I personally am opposed to Overview sections in general for redundancy reasons. Also remember these were frowned up during the FAC process for an article I nominated. Need to check MoS. I agree that the sections are getting large and readers may potentially get overwhelmed though. How about we just break the sections down further. For Umayyad period (661–750), for instance, maybe we break it up by caliph, i.e. "Reign of Mu'awiya", or by ruling house, i.e. "Sufyanid period (661–684)" and "Marwanid period (684–750)". Although the Rashidun period needs more work, the Umayyad period is essentially complete from my standpoint, content-wise, with little activity recorded after Sulayman's reign (715–717). And the last paragraph there about Muslim pilgrimage and ceremonies could be its own subsection. Thoughts? Al Ameer (talk) 22:33, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

If Tiamut comes back this changes, but you're my favorite Wikipedia editor. I hope you and yours are well.  nableezy  - 22:51, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hah! This made my day. I’m more than happy with 2nd place after Tiamut. Take care of yourself, as always, old friend. —Al Ameer (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I forgot that we have the History of Jerusalem page for a short overview. That one is really one big mess, but that's not your topic now. Yes, try to see how it feels with subsections for the Umayyads. Just one more observation: the city was inhabited by a majority Christian population, with Jews also back in since Caliph Omar. Thinking for instance of pilgrims (De locis sanctis and Arculf). But it's totally legitimate to leave Christians, Jews, riots and earthquakes (658/59/60 series, 746/747-749 series with 749 a big one) to others, who concentrate more on those anyway. You are doing a great job. PS: Could there be a link between these 6th century papyri from Aphrodito and the 8th century Aphrodito Papyri mentioned by Elad? Maybe the collection/library was continued after Dioscorus, I have no idea. Unlikely, forget it, sorry. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 23:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, the corresponding section in History of Jerusalem should summarize this article in several paragraphs, and the main article Jerusalem should then summarize that. As for Christians and Jews, it may be best to have an independent section about the (Muslim, Christian and Jewish) population, culture, life in Jerusalem during the entire period in question (630s-1099). I think it makes sense to include it here. —Al Ameer (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

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hello Al Ameer son, sorry whether in the article Al-Walid ibn Uqba there is no source or bibliography. thank you Iylaq (talk) 13:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, just added the full reference. Article still needs significant expansion and more sources though. Take care, --Al Ameer (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!
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another Mamluk?
Could I convince you to start the article about another powerful Mamluk; Sayf el-Din Salar? His name pops up quite often, some as emir Salar. He died just before 1309, me thinks. He is buried here: Tomb of Salar and Sangar-al-Gawli, and I believe he also constructed the Great Mosque, Majdal, cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, should have something done in a week’s time. —Al Ameer (talk) 03:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * By "week's time" I meant twenty weeks' time... Sayf al-Din Salar is in mainspace. Still good amount of expansion needed, but it should do for now. --Al Ameer (talk) 03:06, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Heh; better late than never! I added a commons cat; a couple of pictures might do? Also, I think this sentence misses a word or two: "Salar his mother and two brothers, Juba and Dawud, to Egypt,[2] along with around 200 other Oirats."? Huldra (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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