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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
Hi again, I was wondering how is it possible for us to rescue this article here, is there anything we can do to shed some light on this particular subject in a stand-alone article? Thanks. Yamanam (talk) 11:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Sumud
Thanks for the article. I linked it for now in the external links section. Samidoon.  T i a m u t talk 13:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Gaza
Hi, regarding your good work on Gaza.
 * Regarding Ancient Gaza, you might find interest in this link.
 * Regarding Tel al-Hawa, I'm not sure that what you wrote is right. I believe the neighbourhood was there long before the Palestinian authority, but it was a more country like neighborhood (agricultural) with small buildings and open spaces between the buildings. The palestinian authority build there big buildings and modernize it. since I'm not 100% sure about it, I suggest that you will not write what I say, but change a bit the way the article is written now.Tushyk (talk) 22:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I read the Gaza article until the demographic paragraph and I have some remarks: The export to Britain only was 30,000 tons a year. This is a huge number. In all of Israel these days the wheat production (barley is hardly grown these days) is about 200,000 tons a year. If considered the better agriculture of these days, one must assume that this barley was from fields of the whole south of Palestine. Regarding this number, I read a book with old documents of jewish barely trader from gaza from these times and he gives numbers of total barley export which are way way smaller, so maybe the britannica 1911 is not so relayable. It is also written there that in march 1917 jamal pecha ordered all population out of town and that only on 1920 when british army rule moved to british civilian rule, the population started to come back to the ruined city. The Hebrew article also talks about the planning of the "new" gaza. It says that the british governer and rushdi decided together to concentrate in few main streets in the old city and to build new neighbourhoods around the old city. By the way, I didn't finish yet with the history, and I will try to continue in the next days, but I think the article must talk about the main streets like omar el-muchtar, salach a-din, el-wahda, and some of the squares like phalastine square and other squares.Tushyk (talk) 19:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * History
 * First Battle of Gaza (1917), First Battle of Gaza (1917), Third Battle of Gaza and Egyptian Expeditionary Force are all good articles and should be included in the history paragraph.
 * I don't know if it should be in the history or economy paragraph, but the main business in gaza was the barley trade. According 1911 britannica http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Gaza,
 * gaza after the ww1 war. According an article in Hebrew http://www.snunit.k12.il/heb_journals/katedra/63098.html which concentrate on muhamad rushdi an high officer in the othman army and later the engeneer  of gaza during  british rule, most of the buildings in gaza were destroyed in the war because of the bordbardments (G. Macmunn & C. Falls, OfficiaI History of the Great War: Egypt and Palestine, London 1928, p. 75).

3 4 new 1948-villages
Hi,
 * As you might have noticed by now, I am always keen on articles with photos..Surfing the "commons" I have found pictures for 3 "1948"-villages -where the articles have not been created yet. They are Kafr Saba, Barfiliya, and Bayt Jiz. I have started collecting information about them here:  User:Huldra/Sources. I think "Kafr Saba" is  especially important; it parallels the development at  Nabi Rubin. See also Kfar Saba. I think both Kafr Saba and Bayt Jiz are DYK -material. Please feel free to start any of those articles, if you like! (I have some Gaza+ other work to do)
 * Also, former leaders (pre-1900) in Palestine is an area not well covered. An example: I have just lately come across the Governors of Gaza and Jaffa; between 1807 and 1818 he was a Muhammed Aby Nabbut, who built the "Tarbitha" well in Jaffa: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Abu_Nabut_Trough, and was involved in rebuilding Al-Jiyya. Between 1818-1820 the Governor was a Mustafa Bey, involved in rebuilding Huj. We really should have a list of those governors (and an article about each of them).
 * And I just wondered: when you upload pictures to Wikipedia, is there any reason why you upload them to en.wikipedia...and not to the "commons"? It is so much easier if it is all on the "commons"...(hint, hint)
 * Anyway, you have done great work on Gaza...as for the situation in general, well, I better not say anything. It makes me too angry. Take care, keep up the good work, Huldra (talk) 19:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, as I´m sure you see from User:Huldra/Sources: Having several ref.-sections on one page is not a good idea! I hope you figure things out.
 * And yes: I´m still busy adding inf. to the Gaza-district 1948-villagers (still a lot to do)
 * as for the governors: There was also one from the Madi-family from Ijzim, around 1830. (source: Schölch, p182). Perhaps we should start a page with the list of the Governors we know, perhaps a Sandbox/List of Governors of Gaza and Jaffa, so we can a bit informally list the names/sources we have? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:41, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and then there was Belvoir Fortress, for hundreds of years the place of the Palestinian village  Kawkab al-Hawa (District of Baysan),  depopulated in 1948. The Belvoir Fortress-article makes it sound as if nobody lived there after 1240: simply not true!  Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Khan al-Umdan
Yes, of course we should have arabic for the Khan al-Umdan, thank you for adding it. When will you upload your pictures? Tell me when you do, cause I really want to see them :). Fipplet (talk) 13:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Arabic text
Will add arabic text to them when I get back home. No arabic at uni! Thanks for all your efforts on WP-Syria, there is hardly anyone active on the project anymore. Yazan (talk) 03:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating the Khalid ibn al-Walid Mosque article, I've been wanting to do it for a while now, and never got to it. And thanks for the mention, I barely added anything really! Will keep updating Arabic scripts as they come my way.Yazan (talk) 06:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you think Tekkiye Mosque could be DYK material? Yazan (talk) 09:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am certainly in on Hims, my paternal grandparents are from there. As for sources, I will try looking up some stuff in Arabic. Yazan (talk) 23:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have asked some friends for favors, and hopefully in a few days we'll have a good repository of quality photos to populate the article a little bit. I cant seem to find much on modern Hims though. Any luck?Yazan (talk) 08:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have enough knowledge of Hims to list its neighborhoods, I will look for Arabic sources on the net. Yazan (talk) 02:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Marhaba, I have the permission of my friend (the photographer, and the editor of the site) to publish these photos on wikipedia

http://creativesyria.com/viewimages/viewimage.aspx?id=751 http://creativesyria.com/viewimages/viewimage.aspx?id=741 http://creativesyria.com/viewimages/viewimage.aspx?id=729 http://creativesyria.com/viewimages/viewimage.aspx?id=725 http://creativesyria.com/viewimages/viewimage.aspx?id=710 http://creativesyria.com/viewimages/viewimage.aspx?id=694

But I am not quite sure how to go about proving that to wikipedia editors, what do you think?Yazan (talk) 06:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This is the website CBS but its not working. It says the website is undergoing maintenance, not sure until when! :( Yazan (talk) 05:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I finally found some info about the subdivisions of the city. It would be nice if you can copyedit though! Yazan (talk) 14:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hurva Synagogue
This article's talkpage was flagged with {WP Palestine} when I awarded the article GA-class in December 2008. The {flag} was removed on 1 February 2009.Pyrotec (talk) 09:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian fedayeen
I reviewed Plestinian fedayeen here. It's on hold until improvements are made. Greetings Wandalstouring (talk) 18:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Khan As'ad Pasha
Shubinator (talk) 22:45, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

GA review for Gaza
Hi Al Ameer son! I just wanted to let you know that I have left a review for Gaza at Talk:Gaza/GA1. Fantastic job on the article, by the way! Best always, epicAdam(talk) 20:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey. I apologize for the delay in the Gaza review. I've just been very busy off-wiki. I'll get to it in the next day or so! Best, epicAdam(talk) 17:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Himsi neighborhoods
Yes, that was in reference to the central point being the old city. Feel free to change it... Yazan (talk) 02:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tekkiye Mosque

 * Thanks pal! Thanks for all the help on WP-Syria articles, it's great to have an experienced author on the team. We just need one more push in the Hims article. The sources are become scarce though! :( Yazan (talk) 07:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

WP Syria
There's no need, that happened because I added the WP template to many articles that didn't have it, just yesterday, and thus it didn't have time to process all of them, I suppose. Let's wait for a couple of days? Yazan (talk) 06:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Questions
Salaam, I am writing an article about palestine and have a few questions. User:Falastine fee Qalby directed me to your page and I was hoping you would entertain my questions ;)


 * 1. Are you currently living in Palestine?
 * 2. What do Palestinians do for entertainment? Do you have any cultural dances, songs, plays?
 * 3. How have the activities in 2 above decreased due to the Israeli-Arab conflict?

Regards, --Muhammad (talk) 03:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tons of info :) --Muhammad (talk) 14:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Real world
I've been campaigning in the real world. Gaza has taken up quite a bit of time.Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Bayt Jiz
The school building was not in the village Bayt Jiz, See also Meir Tobianski. Please write me here, just klik the + tub on the top line and write.--Avin15 (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the information, anyhow the school was closer to Bayt Jiz than to Bayt Susin. I wrote the articles in Hebrew for the Two villages see Bayt Susin in Hebrew, you can write me here or in User talk:Avin15 but give me an alert signal here "just klik the + tub..."--Avin15 (talk) 22:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Syrian localities
Marhaba Ameer-son. Great idea with the templates. I will try to find to get an official list of all localities but that will be hell of a mission. The CBS's website is good for nothing as you can see, so I will try to call in favors from friends back home. On another note, just wanted to let you know that I just started working on Latakia. I've already expanded the history section quite a bit, it still needs major work. I've also asked a friend from there to take photos of it, because none of the photos are the least presentable. Yazan (talk) 12:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks a million for your help on Latakia. We managed to triple its size in one day. Latakia is where I've grown up and my city (from my mother's side) so it's a great feeling to see it growing on wiki. Hims and Latakia are already among the best articles in WP-Syria. Yazan (talk) 10:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * You are welcome, it is an absolute pleasure working with you. As for the new pages archie on WP Syria... how do you suggest we go about doing that? Yazan (talk) 09:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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WP Syria
Why not? Could you also check over Hims Gap? I just created it, and see if you can introduce links in relevant articles. Thanks,  Spencer T♦C 01:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks
You are very kind. Unfortunately, I don't have time for more editing than the very little bit I've contributed so far. Maybe at a later date. If I do, I will be sure to look you up. ;)

Rimal
Rimal is in two areas. North Rimal from Omar Mukhtar Street to Al-Shati camp, South Rimal from Omar Mukhtar Street to Tal al Hawa...centre of gravity of the 2 combined ends up (approx) by Shifa hospital and Midan Jundi

is Midan Jundi the name is general use? I believed that al-Jondi al-Majhool was the name in general use?....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Project Syria has a most efficient way of making a list of missing coords ......Category:Syria articles missing geocoordinate data...perhaps similar for project Palestine?....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Just drop coord missing with |Palestine after into an article missing coords..the category has already been created..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Saladin
Thanks! I think that there is so much bad information about Saladin out there, especially on the Internet, that our article probably needs to be completely rewritten. Your recent edits using Lyons and Jackson were a very good start though. That is the kind of source we should be using. Adam Bishop (talk) 02:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That's good, but I wouldn't use Reston - he is not an historian, and his book is more entertainment than history. Anything in Reston's book can be found in a better, academic, source (like Lyons and Jackson), and if it can't be found anywhere else it probably comes from Reston's imagination. Adam Bishop (talk) 05:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Nurseirat Power Plant
Most reports on Gaza concerning the economic blockade talk about the power plant/lack of fuel etc etc. should we add the coords for the plant?....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 10:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

An article ..now that is a thought...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar!

 * Do we want to push on for an FA?  Spencer T♦ Nominate! 23:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Latakia sounds good. I'll see where I can help out.  Spencer T♦ Nominate! 01:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hawk!
Thank you Al Ameer, it's a great asset having you on WP-Syria. Latakia needs one more serious push and then we can nominate it and move to Aleppo or Damascus maybe!

Arabic script
Hi Ameer, I try to add Arabic names wherever possible. One of the things I do in search of such articles is look at your contributions, since you are so active in the relevant areas. Great work on all these articles! Please let me know if there is anything I missed :) --Fjmustak (talk) 18:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Sheikh Radwan?
could you check on the area Sheikh Radwan, it appears to be describing An Naser. An Naser lies between An Nazlah and the beach camp/Al-Shati camp.... Sheikh Radwan is between An Nazlah and Jabaliyah with al Daraj and at Tuffah to the south according to the 3 street maps I have...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 09:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Also al-Qubbah (a small Palestinian village outside Gaza city) has all but disappeared area now known as al Montar (a suburb of Gaza city)...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 09:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Tell al-Muntar + al-Qubbah = al-Montar.

according to my maps google has Sheikh Radwan too far to the west over An Naser (which google doesn't show) and al Nazlah, and al Nazlah where Jabalia is. and Jabalia where Sheikh Radwan is; according to UN and local maps I have (who all agree with each other), google maps is the odd one out. A three way clockwise rotation of name places. Turn the google map names of al Nazlah, Sheikh Radwan and Jabalia anti clockwise and they would be in the right place....if you can follow that....or to put it another way google an nazlah=Jabalia... Google Jabalia=Sheikh Radwan...google Sheikh Radwan= an Naser and al Nazlah....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

UN sat maps...which agree with my terrestrial maps...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

it might be better on this one...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Texans don't work in the Gaza strip, while the UN does and the UN mapping agrees with the paper maps I have...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Point 2...why do the texans have an Nazlah north of Jabaliyah when an Nazlah is a suburb of Gaza?...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 23:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The texan map has sort of maintained the 1948 map positions. While Humans being humans have extended jabaliah nothwards, an nazlah has grown south while radwan has grown east to west. The texans are 60 years out of date...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 00:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

"at-Turkuman" north of Omar Mukhtar Street; al Montar south of Omar Mukhtar Street...an Nazlah has migrated according to maps from 1946 1966...Sheikh Radwan looks to have been divided with al Naser being the area closest to the beach camp....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 08:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

For the coords it depends on the point in time you want them for. Due to the increase in population from 1947 to 1967 (600%) the area Sheikh Radwan got built on extensively and sub-divided into an Naser and Sheikh Radwan, while al Nazlah got extended westwards slightly north of Sheikh Radwan and the original centre of al Nazlah being subsumed by Jabalia.

The area described in the article is the old 1947 area (agreeing with Palestine Remembered and the Texans) and not the modern designation. The area bordering the beach camp is now called an Naser...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 14:18, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Ameer, while I am no expert on Gaza, a search of "Radwan" (in Arabic) in the northrern Gaza Strip returns the following . Please note that "D", "G", "H", and "I" have nothing to do with Radwan, as Radwan in a personal name, and "J" is not in Sheikh Radwan either.  These results are in the vicinity of Google map's definition of Sheikh Radwan.  I would suggest using the Google coords, until we get a clear definition of the neighborhood boundaries. --Fjmustak (talk) 20:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * A search of "Zeitoun" (in Arabic) on Google maps gave me this . If I had to take a guess, it's around the "B","C","E" area.  "A" is a school called Zeitun, "D" is a pharmacy with that name.  "B" and "C" are a school and a mosque named "Zeitun martyrs", and "E" is the only tag that explicitly claims to be in the "Zeitun neighborhood". I'll put in the coords for Sheikh Radwan and what I think is the Zeitun area, and I'll also check Tel El-Hawa. --Fjmustak (talk) 20:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
Real life took me away from here for a while, but upon returning I have not failed to notice how much you have done. Thank you for keeping me informed, up-to-date, and involved throughout my absence and for recognizing my own contributions at the articles you nominated. There is no barnstar truly fitting for you my friend. Truly excellent!  T i a m u t talk 14:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Help please!
Hello Al Ameer son, I am a journalist at The National newspaper in Abu Dhabi (www.thenational.ae), we circulate throughout the Middle East.

I noticed your name on the list of Arab Wikipedians and wonder if you would be interested in talking to me for an article.

It is about the recently proposed changes to the Wikipedia editing rules (http://www.journal-online.co.uk/article/5405-wikipedia-proposes-moderatorapproved-editing).

If you are interested in talking to me, please email me on: ogood@thenational.ae (preferably with a phone number) as soon as possible. Also please include your location.

Many thanks, Oliver Good. Olivergood (talk) 10:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC) Olivergood 14:16, 15 March 2009 (GMT+4)

Rimal
I've just read Rimal...a few problems to do with ...."Originally, the coastline of Gaza was uninhabited"...The port is in Rimal and is rather old..Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 11:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Port of Gaza was a couple of Ks from Gaza city and the Europeans started Rimal off because it was close to the docks/commerce. The docks were there long before the population moved to where the money was. Ceasarea same, city in the hinterland dock on the coast, Majdal same. Gaza was on the standard layout of a palestinian port city. I'll carry on building the Port side up until there is enough to make a separate article....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 09:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The Port of Gaza is Rimal....The ancient port and city lies underneath the modern Rimal..It was the reason for Gaza city "the most important" trading port; due to it being at the crossroads of the Via Maris and the Nabatean spice road linking trade from Damascus, Cairo and Arabia to the western markets....One of the reasons Rome invaded and why Pompey had it rebuilt quickly after Alexander Jannaeus interrupted the trade by destroying Maioumas (early trade war). Maioumas/Rimal is also Archaeologically important due to the links with licentious Pagan festivals of which it was the centre of up to the late Byzantine era......Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 12:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I hope you're not peeved with me over the explicit linking of Rimal and the Port of Gaza....I just thought that no explicit link was needed due to it being a well established fact...PS the founding date needs to be done in such a way as to show it was a renaming and not an actual founding...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 19:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I was being a bit sarcastic to CM over denial of well known facts...It struck me as extremely funny (I was chuckling to myself for hours over it) that someone who obviously knew nothing about a subject would try to edit the subject without even doing 5 minutes of research...showed himself to be a right jerk with a political agenda and no knowledge.....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Saladin in Egypt
I have noticed the considerable improvements you have begun on the Saladin main page. This was something that crossed my mind when I begun work on the Saladin in Egypt page. My goal was to complete this page before attaching it to the main page under the Egypt heading. If you have the time I was hoping you could take a quick look at the Saladin in Egypt page a provide suggestions on a)improvements and b) how to connect it to the main page. Thank you very much for your time and I greatly admire the work I've seen you do.76.28.157.59 (talk) 22:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

back again..
Hi, thanks for your note on Hebron glass, I´m delighted that it is now a GA. And thanks for starting Bayt Jiz...I have been away for some weeks, but are now back with my books. I also just today received: Thomas Philipp: "Acre, The rise and fall of a Palestinian city. 1730-1830" Colombia University press, 2001. It looks extremely informative! Recommended! I´ll try to add some of that info to the Acre article later. Take care, Huldra (talk) 14:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

WPP
Thanks for your kind words of encouragement. I have been really short of time over the last 18 months but hope to find more time for the Project. --Ian Pitchford (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Saladin improvement
I see you're interested in improving the Saladin article: so am I. Hopefully, this will provide some encouragement. بالتوفيق &mdash; Roger Davies  talk 07:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

RfA?
I've been extremely inactive (going to law school) lately. I wish you would have let me know you had admin interests. I would have had no reservations, whatsoever, about nominating you. Anyway, I just gave my support. You're going to be excellent in that role. Lazulilasher (talk) 01:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election
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2009 Arab Capital of Culture
I am planning to work on this article until it became a good or a featured article. Could you please have a quick look at it and give me your thoughts on how to achieve it. Yamanam (talk) 11:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, how acceptale it is to depend on Arabic reliable sources? I am afraid there are no enough English reliable sources about the subject. Yamanam (talk) 11:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advice on this matter. --Yamanam (talk) 09:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

You are now an admin
I am pleased to inform you that your RFA was closed as successful, and that you are now an administrator. The community has seen fit to entrust you with the tools, and I hope you'll continue to affirm our trust in you. You can test out your new abilities at New Admin School. Should you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask me or any of our fellow administrators. Cheers,  bibliomaniac 1  5  05:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! Now live up to the support !vote I gave you. ;) But seriously: way to go, and I am sure that you will do just fine. Cheers! — Ed 17  (Talk /  Contribs)  05:29, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! -- Avi (talk) 05:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * \o/ Yay! Congratulations! henrik  • talk  06:35, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Welcome to the club; wave goodbye to any spare time! -- Ged UK  07:47, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

مبروك  Roger Davies  talk 10:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, congrats with the tools! cheers, Huldra (talk) 07:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC) (ps: message for you at )

Even though I did not vote
I want to be the first to congratulate you on your adminship. Cheers.  T i a m u t talk 05:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops. I see I'm already late to that party too. Oh well. Well done.  T i a m u t talk 05:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! You didn't need my vote, you passed with virtually no opposition! I want to give you your first administrative task, can you ban someone for me? No, I am just kidding. But seriously I would like to have a certain someone banned but maybe sometime in the near future.*thumbs up* --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 06:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Congrats Ameer. Hope adminship doesn't keep you from your excellent work as an editor.  --Fjmustak (talk) 07:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Mabruk akhi Nableezy (talk) 07:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally, had I known, would never have voted for you (n1). That is why I am particularly pleased to hear this news, and pass on my warmest congratulations. I'm sure you will grace the role. Best wishes Nishidani (talk) 18:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * (n1) Irish humour. By not voting, I would haveleft your rep.unstained by sinister associations! Nishidani (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Sorry for putting my comment down here, and for my lateness, be allow me to five you "The admin's T-shirt".  Spencer T♦ Nominate! 22:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're an example for us all, Ameer. Enjoy your Floridan spring break, make it a reward for the efforts that won you, by almost universal acclaim, your adminship. Best Nishidani (talk) 23:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Just noticed, congrats...Do we have to doff our caps, tug a forelock and call you sir now?....Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 01:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
— Ed 17  (Talk /  Contribs)  03:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Saladin in Egypt
Thank you very much for your revision to the "Saladin in Egypt" article. If you have the time I had two questions concerning the article and the "Saladin" main page. 1)What was your opinion of the article's content? 2)How do you think the article could be connected to the "Saladin" main page. I would greatly appreciate your advice.

I have also begun preparing an article on Qadi al-Fadil, if you know any good texts on him I would be greatful for the guidance. Thank you as always98.203.234.235 (talk) 07:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Nasser
I saw you mention you wanted to work on that article. The one English book I have that I would think would be a good source is Autumn of Fury by Heikal which mostly deals with Sadat but also is a good resource on parts of the revolution and Nasser. My father has a whole library of books in Arabic, unfortunately with my reading abilities it would take several years for me to go through them and translate the relevant passages. I do live by a university with a very good library collection, so if you know of any books that would be helpful I should be able to get my hands on them. I was planning on starting work in a couple of weeks on that article, so any pointers or help you could provide would be very much appreciated. Nableezy (talk) 20:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I wish we could use Abdel Halim as a RS, I have every song he made about Nasser memorized (a product of being raised in a house that had more pictures of Nasser than of me or my brother :)). I am going to check out the library out here to find what I can and read up, not sure how to start though. I was thinking about just copying the current article in the sandbox and start going a section at a time in there but dont know if that is a good idea. Plan on starting in 2 weeks or so. I also want to take a crack at the Abdel Halim and Om Kolthoum pages, they are decent but could be refined a bit. Masalama akhi, Nableezy (talk) 00:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Palestinian revolt
I couldn't understand why 1834 was missing when I started revamping Palestinian nationalism...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 15:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Bethlehem
Right time same punishment meted out to other town and the disarming same...for a favourite killed questionable...I'll keep looking for a better source...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Saladin
Thanks again for your comments and encouragement Ameer. I'm new to wikipedia and was unaware of your attempt to become an administrator until about an hour ago but would like to say that few personalities here seem to hold your balanced perspective and great patience, sincere congratulations.

As for business I have begun to footnote the "Saladin in Egypt" article and will have this complete by 9:00 a.m., Pacific Standard Time on March 30. I agree with your proposal on where to insert this article into the greater "Saladin" article. I hope the formatting is to your satisfaction and if it could use any more tweeks, please let me know.

Lastly, I received some comments from the LC of the military history project. Among these he recommended joining the Early Muslim military history task force, which I noticed you are an editor for. Before becoming only the 9th member of this task force I was hoping to get your opinion on what kind of work would be needed to further this field.

an honor as always206.160.219.133 (talk) 01:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I feel rather dumb, not at home and totally forgot to log in. As for early Muslim Generals I would be most apt to contribute to 12th century leaders right now, I am in the process of gathering information on Saladin's adviser Qadi al-Fadil but should be able to contribute on more significant figures (especially the Zengids) over time. Thank you for your timely responses and I look forward to possible collaboration in the future EvitoSol (talk) 02:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

12th century Muslim generals
I have pretty much completed footnoting the "Saladin in Egypt" article. If you have a moment to glance at it I'm still new to footnoting and would appreciate your opinion.

I am somewhat familiar with Turanshah and Saif al-Din, specifically their relationships with Saladin. Reviewing my sources I could potentially proceed with a Turanshah article sooner than a al-Fadil article (estimating 2-3 weeks for a draft worthy of posting). I see what you mean about repeating names, but hopefully specific bio and possibly the addition of their longer titles will clarify this point. Look forward to hearing from youEvitoSol (talk) 15:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Zeitoun article
Salam! I have a question. Would mentioning (paraphrasing) details like "Saleh Helmi Samouni, 30, says he pleaded with the Israelis to evacuate the wounded but they told him, 'Go back to death.'" "They said when their father stepped out with his hands raised, he was shot dead." and "'I told them I work for the Red Crescent and there are wounded that need to be evacuated. They just said, Sheket, Hebrew for "Shut Up," and 'told us to get out.'" be considered POV? I have so much details to include, but I am guessing that these details will be taken out anyway and I make this prediction based on experience with related articles. What are your thoughts?--Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 06:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is an example of how I would present it in the article (don't mind the close paraphrasing here) One of the occupants, Attila Samouni, presented his ID to the IDF and told the soldiers that he is the owner of the house. After Attila told them that he has children and pleaded for them to hold their fire, they shot him repeatedly, about 20 - 30 times according to witnesses.This is one of the sources. I would place it in the second paragraph of the Samouni section . What do you think? Would it be considered POV? --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Salam, I thought I remind you that I posted a response earlier. Anyway, I decided that I will go ahead and add the details and then I will present the final draft to you. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 03:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback! There is some quotations, but I tend to avoid using them to a point, to avoid copyright issues. I prefer paraphrasing for stylistic purposes anyways. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 07:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I have completed the article and I think I have covered everything (I probably will feel different about that tomorrow though). You can now review the article. Let me know if you have suggestions on the content, organization, etc. and if you come across typos and grammar problems. And if you are really up to, you can do a cross check sources to see if I paraphrased while retaining the meaning effectively. It is not necessary but it might help. Thank you --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for checking the article! I was not able to determine which text you deleted by the diff, can you point me to the paragraph(s)? As for your question about the wife, the man had two wives. The anti-Arab graffiti was a very prominent incident mentioned in numerous sources even in sources that do not mention the Samouni attack specifically. I don't think this will be a POV issue since we have an article listing antisemitic incidents during the conflict. The anti-Arab graffiti is even more notable. --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I thought there were lesser bytes not more. Anyway thanks for providing suggestions and changes!

Hmm, I am the opposite of you, I would have used my break to edit Wikipedia more, not edit more when I am busy with school ha!... Wait does that mean I am dork? Anyway, when you are back on, please let me know if I should move the page or copy/paste it, and whether it is ready or not for the big move. Thank you and tesba7 3ala khair. Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

At this point I am more worried about editwarring and not so much about deletion. That's why I want a well-rounded article to avoid the "it is not balanced" claim. Also, I hate the prospect of having my work ripped to shreds so I am not enthusiastic about sending my baby article into the cruel and unforgiving world just yet. Take your time to review it, I will have to review my article again to make sure it is coherent, clear, and I will have to make sure I placed the correct sources.--Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for assistance
Hi:

I was wondering – I’ve been trying to avoid the prospect of eight or so editors being topic banned as a result of the West Bank – Judea Samaria arbitration case. These editors run the gamut of outlooks on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and I was hoping that if they could all work together, as per my proposal here, it would forestall more dire remedies. However, there may be some editors who would question my neutrality (though I can’t reiterate enough how little I personally care which way things end up). To that end, it seemed to me that if you, an editor in good standing who can plausibly be thought of as pro-Palestinian (and yet who has not been edit-warring on West Bank v. Judea-Samaria, right?), were to join me in helping out with the project, it would ease some minds. I’d really like to see these editors spared from a draconian decision. Thoughts? IronDuke 22:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for considering it -- it would have been great to have you. Can you think of 2 or 3 others who might meet the criteria I set out above? IronDuke  15:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

WP Palestine/WP Israel tagging overlapping
Hi Ameer, You mentioned in your reversion of Talk:Tel Aviv that you removed WP Palestine per some old discussion. Can you please point it out for me? Also do we have a central repository of agreed upon guidelines in Israel/Palestine topics? If so, it would be nice to maybe we could add something like Template:Calm_talk linking to the guideline page in the header of talk pages of articles where there is a high potential of the unknowing editor violating these guidelines. One more thing about WP Palestine and WP Israel overlapping. Is there a quick way to list articles that are "double listed" under both wikiprojects, and then apply whatever decision was reached to them on a case by case basis (and maybe tag those that were reviewed and rightly fall under both projects). Regards. --Fjmustak (talk) 02:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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HI
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B class criteria
To improve this article Wehda Street, here are some guidelines for the B class criteria for road articles. SriMesh | talk  00:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Maen. K. A. (talk) 07:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
New Awards for the project :-) Maen. K. A. (talk) 08:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

palestinian territory maps
Keyfak ya Ameer, I have been adding pushpin maps to the localities using the Template:Infobox Palestinian Authority municipality, but before I go any further wanted to check with you to see if you have any issues with it. So far, I have done Rafah, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza (hope you dont mind and it doesnt mess with GA review, if it does please remove it), and Jabalia. This started because Nablus was using a template that used an accesibility caption of 'Nablus is in Israel', so I made a new template to use that says '... is in the Palestinian territories'. Just checking with you to see if there are any issues with this. Salam, Nableezy (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * there are actually a number of things that need to be corrected on the Palestinian municipality template, I am working on it here with an example here. The coordinates section is outdated it seems, and adding another option for the pushpin map (hopefully then I can get the name working). will work on perhaps enlarging the map in the template, but I cant just widen it as it is going off an image on commons. I should get to this tonight. Nableezy (talk) 00:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hows this? Nableezy (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I finished (I think) the template and updated the documentation. It is here with a diff of the changes here. Diff of the documentation changes here. Please read over the documentation as I borrowed quite a bit from the Israeli kibbutz infobox and had to adjust, so I might have missed something. I asked Ynhockey to look over the template, if he says I won't break anything with it plan on putting it into the template. Nableezy (talk) 01:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

All right, updated the template in mainspace and documentation, and now these articles have the pushpin maps: ('Atara, Abu Dis, Al-Khader, Bethlehem, Bethlehem, Bani Na'im, Bani Zeid, Bani Zeid al-Sharqiya, Beit 'Anan, Beit Hanoun, Beit Sahour, Bil'in, Bureij, Deir Istiya, Ein as-Sultan, Fandaqumiya, Faqqua, Gaza, Hebron, Ijnisinya, Jabalia, Jabel Mukaber, Jenin, Jericho, Kafr Thulth, Khirbet al-Malih, Nabi Samwil, Nablus, Ni'lin, Rafah, Ramallah, Tammun, Tubas, Tulkarm, Tuqu', Turmus Ayya). I went through all the articles that are using the template, probably a few more could go in and probably a few of those that I did use it in are not really necessary. I just didnt want to add it to articles that are too short, the page looks weird with a really long infobox and not that much text. But for any article you want to add it to, if the coordinates are already in the infobox all you need to do is add the line: |pushpin_map=Palestinian territories  in the infobox and it will take care of the rest. I'll see what I can do as far the type of maps Ynhockey has created, with an enlarged inset, but that will probably take a while. In the meantime, if you think of anything that could be improved or needed let me know and I'll see what I can do. Salam, Nableezy (talk) 03:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As regards the depopulated villages template, what map and title would you think best? I would think a map of Mandatory Palestine with that description would be fine, but if you have another suggestion I am all ears. Will get to working on that one. Nableezy (talk) 02:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is a shot at it. I just used the coords from the 'current locality', not sure if they are exactly correct (the coordinates, the dot that marks the coords is properly aligned). One problem though is the original template did not include the coordinates, so to add the map we will need to also find and add the coordinates. Nableezy (talk) 03:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * exactly, we need to find and lat and long (degrees, minutes, seconds) for the pushpin map. Nableezy (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for liking my the awards I designed:-), Happy working with you Maen. K. A. (talk) 07:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey Al Ameer. Got your note a while ago but I've been a little swamped in real life. I'll try to keep an eye out on Gaza and see what I can do about Saladin in the coming days. Still trying to develop our destroyed villages articles. So much to do, so little time! Thanks for your words of encouragement.  T i a m u t talk 10:39, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:Jifna
Hi Ameer, The website you sent is that of the Jifna Hope Association, definitely not the official website. Unfortunately, the official Jifna village council website (http://www.jifna.org.ps/) is one of those that is not up anymore. Here's the latest content from archive.org. I added a link to that has the websites of R&B governorate municipality websites (some up, some down), as well as the same for the Nablus governorate. They're at WikiProject_Palestine/Websites. Now I've noticed some municipal/village councils have dead links in the list, but have a new domain name. It is possible Jifna is one of those. I'll keep an eye for it, and will let you know if I find one. Here's another website, also not official, and here's the website of a famous restaurant there :) . Best Regards, --Fjmustak (talk) 07:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, I forgot about Al-Burj. Never been to it, but as I understand, it's an ancient fort.  I believe the restaurant closed after the Al-Aqsa Intifada, but my memory has been known to fail me at times.  Let me know if you need any other information, and I'll do my best to find an answer.--Fjmustak (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Ameer, Let me start with the Hebron villages... I noticed that the interwiki links to non-existent pages in the Arabic Wikipedia for many of the Hebron vilalges (such as Beit 'Amra).  Back to Jifna, the JMCC source seems to be quite dated (I'd say written around 1999). We should definitely mention Al-Burj at least as a Crusader fort (Haven't found a recent source saying the restaurant is either open or closed). Here's a review (Also from 1999) of Al-Burj Restaurant. On page 2 of this church bulletin, there's some history on Jifna, including etymology.  I will read the current Wikipedia article and translate anything new from this source. Here's a link to institutions and restaurants/resorts in or related to Jifna (in Arabic unfortunately).  Rough translation:

Public

 * 1) Jifna Ladies' Charity Association
 * 2) Jifna's National Library
 * 3) Palestinian Village Club Center
 * 4) "Jifnite" League - Amman, Jordan
 * 5) "Jifnite" Assn. Kuwait
 * 6) "Jifnite" Assn. No. California
 * 7) Jifna Hope Association
 * 8) Al-Balad (town) Cultural Center
 * 9) Happy Childhood Club
 * 10) Fatah Office

Private

 * 1) Dream Tourist Resort (swimming pools and restaurants)
 * 2) Jifna Promenade, Restaurant, and Pool (Charlie)
 * 3) Tabash
 * 4) Al-Basha Restaurant
 * 5) Layali Al-Farah
 * 6) St. Joseph Park
 * 7) Al-Dom (sp?) Restaruants
 * 8) Al-Sahl Al-Akhdar (Green plains) restaurants and pools

Bayt Dajan
Yes, I just suggested the same for Tiamut on the Bayt Dajan-talk-page (It is really Tiamut who has done a great job expanding the article). My further work on the article will be on the "culture"-part, I think, especially the development of the costumes during the 1920-30s. There is a lot about it, both in the Weir-book and the Rajab-book (And I have both..) In fact; there is no 1948-village where the costumes have been so extensively studied (by Weir and Widad Kawar together) as just Bayt Dajan (which is why I started the article in the first place.). So yeah; any contributions from you would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
Maen. K. A. (talk) 22:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Turan-shah
Hello again Ameer,

I've done some work on a page for Turan-shah, Saladin's older brother and conqueror of Nubian/Yemen (under that title since Turanshah is occupied by the Ayybud Sultan by that name). Like I said, I am only really knowledgeable on Turan-shah through his involvement with Saladin in Egypt. To that end I have yet to internally cite him in the "Saladin in Egypt" article, or any others. If you have some spare time I would greatly appreciate an edit and any additional information that you can add (preferably about his earlier life or after his conquest of Yemen, as those areas are a little grey for me). My footnotes will be up in the next day or so, as well as possible images. I hope this was the kind of start you are looking for.

Eager to hear your opinion,EvitoSol (talk) 05:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Re:AN/I
To grant IP block exempt to that user, follow this link, enter the username you want to grant the flag to (Yamanam), toggle "IP block exempt" and click the button that says "Save User Groups". Hope this helps. Knight of  the Wind  00:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Knight of   the Wind  00:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Ka'ak
How dare you change my assessment! Just kidding. :D I changed to A based on the Egypt Project grading which says GA is not required. But I think I would have to have consensus before changing the article to an A so your revert is correct. Well I think it is definitely not a start class article, which can be an unreferenced, inaccurate article that is not a stub. So do you think it should be at least a C class for now? By the way, thank you for unblocking Yamanam!-Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I did take length into consideration when I decided to change the grade. Ka'ak is a little known baked good so I didn't think the article could be expanded any further; it is not going to be the length of an article like scone. But surprisingly, the article on ka'ak is longer than the article on its more popular counterpart, ma'amoul. Also, this food article has GA status and it is not much bigger than the ka'ak article. I think it is best to judge on whether the article covers everything on the subject, and as you know, length will vary. Nonetheless, now that I think about it more, I guess the article can be expanded to include information on etymology and more information on the different ka'aks (like the Yemeni ka'ak). The problem is the lack of reliable sources. Anyway, I will change it to C for now, but if it is expanded further with reliable sources, we can consider upgrading the status. Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 19:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * History would also be interesting to cover. The article currently says that ka'ak is the Arabic word for cake, that is what I was told by my mother when I was younger, but the not-sweet biscuit was certainly nothing like cake! So I am really interested in the origin of the word. I will try to see if I could find reliable sources. Recipe web sites are not reliable sources, right?
 * As for the Zeitoun article, I have yet to review it and honestly I was waiting for you to do the second review. I see you did some changes to the lead, was not sure if that was your second review. Was it?
 * For the past couple of days, I have been getting new messages on my talk page without the "you have new messages" bar appearing. Are you experiencing the same problem? --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 00:37, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Your message reminded me to look over the article again; I corrected some issues and will probably review the rest tonight. Can you help me with one sentence? I am not sure if I paraphrased effectively. Here is the original: ''Zeitoun is where the Palestinian coastal enclave shrinks to just about four miles across, from the beach to the Israeli border. Residents believe that's why Israeli tanks and soldiers chose this natural choke point as a staging area and forward operating base.''

Here is my attempt at paraphrasing: Zeitoun residents believe that because the area is a natural choke point close to the Israeli border, Israeli troops turned the Zeitoun neighborhoods into a military base from which they launched their operations.

Thanks for your efforts in the article, much appreciated.

I am still not getting the 'you have new messages' bar. It is not a big issue but I am just curious as to why its occurring, does Wikipedia have tech support? -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 00:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Salam! I haven't heard from you for days, was wondering if you saw my response? Well, I am about to move the article, it is about time. If there are issues or something is not covered, that can be dealt with even when it is edited by others. Any thoughts and advice before I move it? --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! I will change the name. Thank you for all your help, I appreciate it very much! Will move it now. BTW I finally got the new mail notice so I don't have to bother with tech support! -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, we can continue this on the article talk page, there is already a thread about the article name. I am not sure about the title, we can't use raid since I haven't come across a source that describes the killings as that. I do remember one source describing it as atrocities. The term incident and I think the term attacks has also been used. I will check again to see what is the commonly used name. Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 06:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

ya ameer
Marhaba Al Ameer, sorry but I haven't had time to do much reading on Nasser. Trying to read up for a planned article I am working on. Going back to Egypt in a couple of weeks, till then plan on working on the Al-Azhar article, after that hopefully be able to put in some work on the Nasser article. Salam, Nableezy (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Salam Ameer, I would really want to thank you for following up on my blocking matter and for unblocking me. I do really appreciate what you did. Shokran. --Yamanam (talk) 06:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

how can i contact you
am a journalist student in sweden, have some questions for you...how can i personally contact you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arqoub imp (talk • contribs) 22:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

thank you
Hey Ameer, thanks for your message, it was really encouraging. I am very proud of Jeita Grotto and hopefully I will be doing some more writing/ editing when i have free time. Keep up the good work Eli  +  06:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)