User talk:Al Climbs

Oregon
Thanks for your great work on Siskiyou Mountains and Wallowa Mountains! Jsayre64  (talk)  22:33, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Move
I think something did't work with the move. Geology_of_North_America and Geology_of_the_United_States now both redirect to your user page ;) --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * It turns out that it was not a simple move, as the article already existed. I have put in a request at Requested_moves and am hoping to get this resolved fast. I hate messing up stuff like this, when I simply don't understand how wikipedia operates. --Al Climbs (talk) 16:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * No worries. Stuff like that happens to everyone once in a while. I was just looking over your page. Really nice job on Yenisey Fold Belt by the way! --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I wrote that for Geology of Russia, and when it got too long, I decided to cut out part of it and use the remainder for Geology of Russia. I then just turned the whole thing into that article. --Al Climbs (talk) 16:46, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Al Climbs. I saw your note at WP:Requested moves/Technical requests. Things appear to have got a bit messed up. It is not usually appropriate to move an entire article into your own user space. My own inclination would be to undo all the moves you've done recently and then try to sort things out from there. Specifically I would put back Geology of the United States and Geology of North America into main space. Would that be acceptable? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Part of the difficulty is that I am inept and do not know how to undo moves. That is a major portion of why I made the request. Could someone help me? --Al Climbs (talk) 17:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As an admin, I can undo these moves. But it's hard for me to start until I can tell if there really were separate articles on Geology of the United States and Geology of North America. Do you have that information? EdJohnston (talk) 17:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * When I began editing. The article now at User:Al_Climbs/Geology of the United States was at Geology of North America. The article at User:Al_Climbs/Geology of North America was a draft in my user space. The Geology Wikiproject had intended to rewrite Geology of North America as our collaboration of the month. I rewrote it in my userspace, which became User:Al_Climbs/Geology of North America, and suggested moving it to Geology of North America, moving that article to Geology of the United States. I then did so, but stopped partway through as I could not proceed at which point I made the request. --Al Climbs (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, why don't I take User:Al Climbs/Geology of the United States and restore it to main space as Geology of North America, the place where it was before. Then we can discuss further as to how the material in User:Al Climbs/Geology of North America can get merged back in. It is unclear to me whether Geology of the United States is a reasonable title for an article, but it is up to those familiar with the material to make that decision. Meanwhile I will delete all the cross-namespace redirects that were created in the last two days. Does that sound acceptable?  EdJohnston (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the reason that it was moved to that title is that it was a US centric article, but it contains information relating to all of North America. There were some clumsy moves made in the past that I and some others disagree with, which I was attempting to undo. At this point I would be happy with the solution you suggested though.--Al Climbs (talk) 18:15, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As I read it the original article was called Geology of the United States, in 2004 when it was created, until February 28, 2008, when it was moved to Geology of North America. The redlinks to other subarticles were added in January of this year. I would move it (now at User:Al Climbs/Geology of the United States) back to Geology of the United States, and move User:Al Climbs/Geology of North America to Geology of North America, as most of the history is relevant to the United States article. Apteva (talk) 18:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You are correct about the moves from 2004 and 2008 as far as I know. The Geology Wikiproject took it on as a collaboration in January, which is what those edits are from, and I have been working on my rewrite (now at User:Al_Climbs/Geology of North America) since then. --Al Climbs (talk) 18:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Apteva, I would do as you suggest but the content of the two articles suggests that material could have been copied back and forth between two articles. Do you have ideas for how to attribute all of that? EdJohnston (talk) 18:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * For the purpose of copyright, I would recommend moving the article that has the most history, and starting over with the other article, with an edit summary that says where it was from. For example, if it is the United States article that is moved is to Geology of the United States, make the first edit of Geology of North America be this: with the edit summary "copied from Geology of the United States". Then you (Al Climbs) as the sole contributor can cut and paste in your most recent version of User:Al Climbs/Geology of North America, unless you cut and pasted anything else from the article as well. You can if you need to just say "some material copied from (the other article)". Apteva (talk) 18:51, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * This is the way it looked before the collaboration of the month. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Al_Climbs/Geology_of_the_United_States&oldid=530820033 There are 5 unsourced paragraphs and a huge collection of links. Nobody will be offended if some of that editorial history will be lost. --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * this: contains all information that I copy and pasted. Of that the first sentence is Tobias, while the rest is my own that I entered into Geology of North America. The revision you pointed to is now at Sierra Madre Occidental and has nothing to do with the current Geology of North America articles.--Al Climbs (talk) 19:40, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * If you wish to undo everything that I have done with simple moves today, besides some moves in userspace, move User:Al Climbs/Geology of the United States to Geology of North America. User:Al Climbs/Geology of North America does contain some copy and pasted text that I entered into both articles, as I was writing them simultaneously; it also contains some information that Tobias wrote at the time, as well as some from before the collaboration of the month. I might suggest moving it to some form of draft at WikiProject Geology as I am tired of this mess I have created, and I am ready to be done with it.--Al Climbs (talk) 19:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I opt to move User:Al_Climbs/Geology_of_North_America to Geology_of_North_America, and User:Al_Climbs/Geology_of_the_United_States to Geology_of_the_United_States. It is the simplest solution and Al Climbs has put most of the work into both articles. There is no need to worry about at most one paragraph changing articles. --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Tobias1984 for such a clear suggestion. I have gone ahead and done the two moves, from Al Climb's user space back into article space. Let me know if any followup is needed. If any copied material exists in both articles, see WP:Copying within Wikipedia for some ideas on how to attribute it. EdJohnston (talk) 23:23, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the move EdJohnston. I think everything is sorted out now. I will check for overlaps but the best I think is to just plant a message of some sort on both talk pages that indicates that these articles were separated at some point in time. --Tobias1984 (talk) 06:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

By the way, great job on cleaning these up. My only suggestion would be to find a map of the US for the United States lede. Apteva (talk) 06:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

While I'm here: Wikidata
While I'm waiting for this to resolve :). Would you like to help out with giving some feedback to the brand new d:Wikidata:Stratigraphy_task_force. You are of course more than welcome to join the task force. It's mostly organizing-work over at Wikidata, but a lot of fun. --Tobias1984 (talk) 20:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Geology of North America
Hey Al Climbs! I nominated Geology of North America for DYK. I made some small fixes to the figures. Do you have time an check over the headlines that they have roughly the same regional scale and are all geologic in meaning. I am not so sure about some of them being rather geographic. I think similar in what we did in Geology of Russia the geologic name should go into the headline and the geographic names into the first couple of sentences. --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you now available to fix issues of this article right now? --George Ho (talk) 16:25, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I haven't edited that article since it entered article space and haven't been on the talk page in three weeks. I have been trying to dissociate from it, because I don't want to end up in a never-ending cycle of disputes. I have no idea about current edits, as I had not even looked at the article in a couple of weeks. The only questions that I see are major disputes that I don't want to be involved in. If you want me to run off and look for sources, I can try, but what is it that you want me to help fix?--Al Climbs (talk) 19:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I read that someone is disruptive in the talk page. You might want to do something with that. Also, what about the section that is tagged as confusing or unclear? Maybe you can double-check the references if you have enough spare time. And... after these major issues are resolved... do whatever you want to the article. --George Ho (talk) 20:15, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

On the other hand, if that editor is going out of control, you might report this to WP:ANI instead. --George Ho (talk) 04:21, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey Al Climbs! Hope everything is fine! After I had to take some cool-off time from being annoyed at the IP-editor I have come back to the topic and tried to sort out some parts of the introduction. Would be nice to hear your opinion on the Geology of North America talk page. --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:02, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Geology of North America
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats. You should put this on your userpage: --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Geology of North America - 5th June 2013 (??? views)

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