User talk:Alaexis/archive2

Economy Georgia
You are wellcomed to take part in the voting on Talk:Georgia (country) Tamokk 01:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Well nobody want to get involved with incivil people. In fact that voting is not about which version is better. Tamokk 03:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

"voting"
As you are well aware of my two recent proposals, I'm sure you'll express your view. However, I'd like to ask you, when you answer, to structure your answer in a way that makes immediately clear for the next editors the points you agree/disagree, b/c when filling in their comments people tend to follow the format used by the first 2-3 users. I don't want to impose any format to you, please use 100% your discression. I'm only asking to keep in mind that other editors are less likely to read pages of comments. Reading one line and putting a yes/no is something people like, asking them to read 10 minutes, think 10 minutes, and write 10 minutes (low estimates) is way to much to ask. :-)

Here and here Take your time, no rush. :Dc76 17:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Because i requested so. Also requested to delete that account. No more images and questions about images thats why. I was very tired of that. Now with this account, there will be no image history and no more questions or misunderstanding. Thats why. NokhchiBorz 13:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

from Russianname
Привет, убрал фразу про Крым (она действительно там не вяжется). --Russianname 14:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Enemy of the State?
Dear Alexei, am I actually an enemy of the state now ? So, I am assuming that you are going to either deport me to the forced labor camp in Siberia or just get rid of me through the Abkhaz terrorists? But you forgot that I am Kakutsa Cholokashvili: ცა ფირუზ, ხმელეთ ზურმუხტო, ჩემო სამშორბლო მხარეო, შენი ვარ შენთვის მოვკვდები, შენზედვე მგლოვიარეო! SosoMK 18:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Sosomk
Feel free to comment [] Tamokk 06:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Alex, i copied from Abkhaz site. But probably it was not correct. I'll ask my Abkhaz friend Timur to translate his name. I totally forgot that article. Thanks. NokhchiBorz 22:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If you disagree with the inflation thing, then change it, but do not just revert the whole thing because it is distracting. Thanks SosoMK 09:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Russian language in the Ukraine
I cleaned away all info that annoyed you-know-whom. So the tag NPOV is not necessary, I guess, ok? --Russianname 16:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

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Georgia
Hi. For the time I do not have internet access. Could you please initiate mediation (see User talk:Dmcdevit). Cheers. Tamokk 03:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Historic regions of Abkhazia
The impression that I got was that the 6 regions mentioned in the Abkhaz constitution are only the 6 that are currently within the Abkhaz republic. The seventh historical region, Pshuy-Aibga is then the land between the Psou and the Xost, now within Russia. Does that match what you know about the matter? sephia karta 14:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not quite - Sadzen region is partially in Russia (Sochi) but part of it is in Abkhazia (Gagra district). The location of Pskhuy-Aibga region is somewhat vague - I've only read that it comprises mountainous areas (http://kolhida.ru/) however it could be conjectured that the villages of Pskhu and Aibga are in this region. The former is in the mountainous part of Sukhumi district while the latter is in mountainous part of Sochi district in Russia. Thus Pskhuy-Aibga would contain all the territory between these two locations. Alæxis¿question? 14:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, how is this name written in Russian? 8- --Illythr 15:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've checked it again and it looks like it's just Pskhu. Sephia must have been mistaken. Nothing funny, really ) Alæxis¿question? 15:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Трангслитерация абхазского
Привет! sephia karta создал много статей о нас. пунктах Абхазии. Не лучше ли переименовать старинцы соответсвенно Абхазской траслитерации (хотя бы те названия, что появились после войны, как то Tsandryphsh- Tsandripsh... Как известно, они даже поднимали вопрос о перименовании типа Tqvarcheli -> Tqwarchal, то есть о дегрузинизации ну и так далее... --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ ( see also: ә? Ә!) 11:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Неа. я где-то находил постановления, что они меняли названия на более абхазсские, например Ткварчели на Ткуарчал, Гульрипши на Гульрипш, а кроме того где-то они пишут некоторые названия на абхазском через ы, в то время как на русском они пишутся через и...
 * Интересно, а где он нашёл карты-то???--Üñţïf̣ļëŗ ( see also: ә? Ә!) 15:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

3RR
What is that? --Tones benefit 09:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a question: why you keep deleting and you don't present one single argument? You have a strange behaviour.--Tones benefit 09:25, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Your recent checkuser request
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Hi. There are problems over all his images actually. So WIkicommons is working to fix it, i think they emailed him about it. Iberieli.

Articles for deletion/Estophobia
There seems to be an argument that your vote on Articles for deletion/Estophobia was deleted in restructuring the page. Could you please check that this did not happen. -- Petri Krohn 12:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

From Kober

 * I know that you follow me wherever I go, , , etc. I don't much care about it, but still keep WP:STALK in mind. Best,--KoberTalk 17:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm... FYI, I frequently check FA nominations, especially those pertaining to the early Soviet history.--KoberTalk 17:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Including Khashuri and Gregory Pakourianos??? --KoberTalk 17:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Great! I have nothing to do but thank you for your lively interest in the history and culture of your "southern brothers". :) --KoberTalk 18:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Economy Georgia
The Georgian authorities expected the current account deficit it would cause in 2007 to be financed by "higher foreign exchange proceeds generated by the large inflow of foreign direct investment" and an increase in tourist revenues.[40]

Did you add this? Can you make it clearer?

Yes and, when will I get the promised position in the KGB squad? Tamokk 03:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Mingrelians

 * Georgians (including Megrelians) consider this sort of bullshitting extremely offending and xenophobic. Please note that Muscovite "divide et impera" things won't go here. Try to prove to the wikipedians of Megrelian provenance that they are not part of the Georgian ethnos and you will get a deserved answer. I would not have expected you to go as low as this. --KoberTalk 16:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, you are being very offending. Even though there are myriads of sources for that, I won't provide even a single one. Things like this don't need further references to diffuse doubts of some users who pursue very specific agenda here. Should I also give you an "academic source" to document my ethnicity?--KoberTalk 16:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes... It was so difficult to spot my edit summary when checking my contribs.--KoberTalk 16:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Alex, I was emotional, but I did not mean to be rude. It's a pity however that you either cannot understand or don't want to understand why Georgians react painfully to such things. The current Abkhaz regime, not without Moscow's advice, pressure Gali's Megrelians into outright ethnic separatism so as to undermine potential Georgian infuence in the region. There's nothing new in that. Back in 1989 when Abkhaz-Georgian tensions fuelled anew, the KGB set up a Sokhumi-based "Mingrelian Nationalist Party" whose leader (and the only active member actually) was forced by their Megrelian neighbors to leave the city. Not surprisingly, that renegade so hated by Megrelians was offered shelter in Moscow where he solely continued to operate his "party". Nobody remembers him, but "divide ad rule" policy lives on.--KoberTalk 17:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Demographics
Alexis,again minorities goes to the main article of Demographics,please do not edit this part anymore.Thank you

Military of Abkhazia
Could you please insert a footnote in this article showing exactly which source gives 45,000 personnel on mobilisation? While you say you have cited sources, for English-speakers only it's hard to find thru the Russian. Cheers Buckshot06 13:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

RFC/USER Russianname
A Request for Comment on User:Russianname has been filed. As user, who had experience of dealing with this individual your comments on this RfC would be appreciated. Thank you. --Hillock65 14:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Question
Hi. May I ask. Why do you support independence of Abkhazia? Tamokk 03:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking for a photo
Welcome back, I wondering if during any of your travels you happened to photograph the suspension bridge in Bukhara that crosses the Amu-Daria (or Amudarya) river? If so, could you upload it and let me know? Thanks. -- &#x2611; Sam uelWantman 06:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
Hey sorry for always making the russian helicopter things in the second chechen war. I now see that there is a list of the helicopters destroyed. Who do you think is winning the conflict. Id say the chechens

Kosovo: country debate
Hello. There's a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. You've contributed to discussions on the page and I thought you might be interested. The articles List of countries and Annex to the list of countries (where the inclusion criteria reside) are both relevant. Cheers. DSuser 13:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. It's probably a minor point, but there a discussion and vote going on at Talk:Kosovo as to whether or not it's better to use Kosovo rather than Kosovan or Kosovar in the Wikipedia articles. Perhaps you have no interest, in which case sorry to bother you! DSuser 15:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Republika Srpska Krajina
This might be of interest to you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_Towns_of_RSK_1991-95 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_July_29#Category:Former_Towns_of_RSK_1991-95 (LAz17 03:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)).

Greetings Alaexis, I noticed you may be back from vacation
Talk:Government_of_the_Autonomous_Republic_of_Abkhazia

FYI, I'd be interested in any suggestions you may have of improving the Abkhazia article in my sandbox.

Another question
I disagree with you about Abkhazia, but I will not elaborate about this. Instead let me ask you, if you oppose reintegration of the Caucasus states in Russia, then what about Ukraine, Belarus, central asia, the Baltic states, Finland etc.? Tamokk 00:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Support
Hope i could get your support here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:WW2InfoBox#The_new_image

and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_War_II#The_new_image

Because i belive that you will agree with me that having the Normandi battle picture in the size of two, and not having a picture of the Stalingrad battle in a world war two image is absurd. M.V.E.i. 11:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Good
Good, but I think you are not objective in separatist regions issues. In particular, in connection with abkhazia you sound like Abkhazs do not want to live in Georgia so, you are sorry but, Georgians get hell out of Abkhazia. Georgians can also say that Georgians do not want to live in Abkhaia/Russia so Abkhazians get hell out of Abkhazia. Tamokk 05:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I decided to award fellow Wikipedians before finally leaving. I think I have chosen appropriate award for you :).

Discussion
A discussion is held in the Axis powers of World War II article talk page. I oppose USSR being in the Controversial cases of relations with the Axis section, while some support it being there. Feel free to state your personal opinion here. M.V.E.i. 18:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Did they dismiss you?
Did they dismiss you? I am really sorry. I thought they are good employers, who appreciate the good evil work of good quality. :-(. I will write a letter of protest to them.--MariusM 14:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I presume my userpage is in your watchlist (or you monitor it regularly, anyway). I'm rather happy about it and will try to put some interesting stuff there occasionally for you and the likes...
 * In case you don't know the mail is fsb@fsb.ru Alæxis¿question? 14:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello :-)
In all modern publication on Andropov it's stated he's Jewish. M.V.E.i. 17:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. It will be nice to hear your opinion in this discussion. It still continues. M.V.E.i. 13:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to a discussion on the Russians talk page
Hello. I started a discussion on the Russians article talk page. Due to the fact that people as i see havent visited it for a long time, every opinion is important and will get attention. The discussion is important for the article. You can find the discussion here:-) Thank you. M.V.E.i. 17:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

War in Abkhazia
Your recent behavior and edit warring on the article is unjustifiable. You know perfectly well that the Confederate/Cossack and Russian support was critical to the separatist victory and the word "energetically" is not peacock term, but a descriptive one. I urge you to be honest and contain your hatred against Georgia (and possibly personal grudges against me) when editing what is supposed to be encyclopedia.--KoberTalk 07:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure. Your own investigation into the Abkhazian war is hardly of any importance when numerous sources and eyewitnesses testify to what you admittedly know nothing about. Btw, after reviewing the Kuban Cossack article, I have an impression that they are pretty proud of their involvement in the war.--KoberTalk 08:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Nationality discussion continues
As a compromise i wrote to Andropov Soviet in the nationality (though i still claim nationality is an ethnic group). Nevertheless, out of interest i would like to continue the discussion on the talk page. The case itself is closed, but if you want you can continue to take part in the discussion here just out of interest, sort of a free stage. M.V.E.i. 20:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Tkvarcheli
You've already made 3 reverts. Please beware of WP:3RR.(PaC 08:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC))
 * Поясняю. Делаешь copy and paste но БЕЗ подписи :))) Подпись потом ставишь свою. :) (PaC 09:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC))

From Kober 2

 * Thanks for taking so much care about ethnic minorities in Georgia, but, if I were you, I'd be more worried by the rising racism in Russia. Cheers, --KoberTalk 11:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Dear Truth-teller, could you kindly explain why you have chosen Georgia as a taget of your sacred mission? Is there everything OK with, say, Armenia- and Azerbaijan-related articles? I suppose your choice depends on the degree of loyalty of these countries to the Kremlin's policy.--KoberTalk 15:47, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Come on Kober give him a break. Приказ есть приказ... :). On a more serious note, the level of anti-Georgian propaganda in Russia is almost surreal. No wonder, some of its citizens make finding exclusively negative info about Georgia their agenda (PaC 17:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC))


 * Armenians are a majority group in Javaxeti, not in the SJ region. Btw, Armenia does not have any sizeable minorities since Azeris have already left. --KoberTalk 16:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please stop wandering throughout the Internet in search of only negtaive info about Georgia and have a dignity. If you are really interested in the demographic problems of SJ, you should also mention the massacre and deportations of Muslim Georgians by Russians in 1829 and by Stalin in 1944; colonization of vacated lands by settling Armenians and Russians (Dukhobori). Why did you say nothing about the recently launched joint Armenian-Georgian projects aimed at rehabilitation of the region, inceasing funds allocated from Tbilisi to Akhalkalaki, construction of a new road that will enable local Armenians easily get to Tbilisi and sell their agricultural products? --KoberTalk 08:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Hi, I already tried to explained why did I quit, cheers Tamokk 02:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject_Transnistria revival?
Greeting Alaexis, what are your thoughts on reviving WikiProject Transnistria? I'd do it but I probably be called a Mauco if I did. )) Pocopocopocopoco 20:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Something worth mentioning
I think that information about New Russia should enter the Transnistria, and maybe even Moldova articls. I cant because i'm blocked for a yer for cursing "Palestinians" (got mad when more bombs fell in Israel, so i couldn't controll myself so said everything i think on them here, here and here). Truly yours, M.V.E.i..
 * I'm sorry to hear this... Have you thought about contributing to Russian-language Wikipedia during this time?
 * I agree that Novorossia has to be mentioned in Transnistria article. Alæxis¿question? 21:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait. It's already written there about it in the history section. Alæxis¿question? 21:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a problem. I know how to read Russian and how to speak Russian, but as someone who grew up in Israel, i yet know how to write Russian.
 * It's not written in the Russuan Empire part of history. The name is not mentioned when it is told how Russia took those empty lands and settled them (and thats where the Russian-Ukrainian majority came from).
 * I wonder what article did you look at. Here is the citation from the previous (the one before my edit) version of the article:

The territory which now is Transnistria was part of the larger New Russia region, hence it witnessed a strong colonization process, with a multitude of ethnicities being settled
 * As you can see I've changed it a bit and added a ref. Alæxis¿question? 21:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't noticed that. Thank you :-) Everyhting is fine in that case. P.S. Military of Abkhazia is a great article. Good work!

From Zone
Thank you Alæxis. I am so impressed by the work you do here on wikipedia. It's amazing. I'd like to contribute as much as I can as well. But there are a number of problems for me: 1) I can't use wikepedia the way I want, because I haven't learnt much about editing yet; 2) I don't have enough materials about abkhazia - all internet sources are quite vague and mostly pro-georgian. Thank you again! Zone 12:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I can probably get access to British Library if I want, but I already have access to British Library of Political and Economic Science (which is the library of LSE and which is the world's largest social science library). I guess I might find some useful information there. Thanks for the documets you sent to me.

NPOV issues and verifiability issues
Hi Alaexis, regarding this edit of yours, I would like to give you a suggestion. The concept of NPOV takes more than just the referencing requirement. If the the passage's primary flaw is its using the deliberately POV language it should be rewritten with POVed terms replaced with a neutral and factual ones rather than tagged. The reason is that POV terms can always be sourced as there are always sources who could call the same event as "occupation" and "liberation" depending on the view of the source's author. Both terms would be referenced and both could be even applicable in general. The concept of neutrality, though, requires minimizing the usage of the judgmental terms. What I am leading to is that WP:NPOV and WP:V are two different policies that work together in fact curtailing each other's application in a way. I hope you don't mind me giving you a friendly advise. --Irpen 16:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Soccer related question
I'm not aware of all the details on how exactly "the draw limit" was enforced, but as far as I know it's either connected somehow with the club that earned its champion's title last season or if the club contributes certain number of players to the national team. In the '88th season Spartak and Dinamo Mn didn't have that limit. Spartak was the champion in preceding season and I'm not sure of Dinamo Mn. Good question. I guess it should be more elaborated on...Aleksandr Grigoryev 03:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

You got it, dude. Aleksandr Grigoryev 05:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Stalking
Thanks for your advice, but you could hardly spot an obscure article with an even more obscure title like Patriot camps without having stalked me to say nothing about your former "interest" in the Byzantine-Georgian nobility. At least be honest and admit it.--KoberTalk 16:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you trying to say that you checked my contribs with the predetermined "goal to help establishing a compromise"? :) --KoberTalk 16:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you are online right now, you can enjoy what your pIEcekeepers did there. The video was taken by the Russians themselves but the record was captured by a Georgian journalist (what a brave girl!).--KoberTalk 17:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course, I have not. But you seem to have forgotten many things in the history of Russo-Georgian relations. A legitimate attempt by the legitimate state to get rid of occupants. They should be kicked off, or... killed. Do you really think that the war in Abkhazia is over? It is still going on and Georgia tries to end it through peaceful means in spite of Russian provocations. --KoberTalk 19:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

3meandEr
I've posted a request for a block or community ban at WP:AN/I - your comments as an editor of the Northern Cyprus article would be appreciated. -- ChrisO 11:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Bălţi
I am answering here in order not to encoumber the space there.:
 * Legally, Tiraspol is in Moldova.
 * I did not assess the economic importance of the city. It either was there when I started editting, or someone else modified it along the way. Now that you put the question, I myself am currious to know 'why?' :-) I believed someone took it from some publication...
 * ethnicity is obviously not the same thing as language. They are closely related, but they are not necesarily identical. In case of Moldavians, there are two oppinions: 1) Moldavians are a separate ethnicity from Romanians. This is the POV of Soviet historiography and ethnography 2) Moldavians are a subgroup of Romanians. This is the generally accepted POV. Please, note that cca 4-4.5 million people in Romania identify themselves as Moldavians as well (the western half of the medieval Principality of Moldavia). Listing Moldavians and Romanians in the census as two separate choices puts a big disadvantage on people having oppinion 2) about themselves, since they want to be Moldavains as a subgroup of Romanians, not as a separate group. In practical terms, this question in the census follows or preceeds the onle about native language. Hence many people find the answer: "I'll write one of them Moldavian, and one Romanian, and that will make it clear." And indeed, it does make it clear when you see an individual form. But statisticaly it results in large number of people declaring Romanian as native language and Moldavian as ethnicity.

Another aspect to remember here is also that these figues vary very much from census to census, as there is some kind of process of emancipation going on.

Finally, please also note, that the problem here is however not so much statistical, as it is very sensiblly political question: any cut artificially undermines the real size of the community, and can easily rase ethnic tensions. Calling Moldavian someone who wants to be called Romanian almost never bring any tension. But undermining the preponderence - irritates both those who believe 1) and 2). Somewhat similarly as with the official language: it does not matter so much if one calls it R or M, as that it is the offical language of the country.:Dc76\talk 20:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you evidently know much more than myself about it and this is most likely to be true. But in terms of wikipolicies joining Moldovans and Romanians in the table that shows census results is or. Consider writing about the combined number of them below the table. There you could also add some other relevant info. Alæxis¿question? 20:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, you are right. If one does not bring sourses to document all words that I just said, then even writting below is problematic.thanx.:Dc76\talk 20:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Chornomorets move
As FC Chornomorets Odessa are registered as a company in Ukraine, correct translation has to be used. As it is used by bodies such as UEFA. Although i agree on most common name which would be Odessa and not Odesa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaksKhomenko (talk • contribs) 22:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

War in Abkhazia ( should Abkhazia in 1992 be called just Abkhazia or called an autonomy)
Greetings Alaexis, I would be appreciative on your take on this issue. The dispute stems from whether Akhazia in 1992 should be called just Abkhazia or called an autonomy. I believe it should be called Abkhazia but Kober and Iberieli think it should be called an autonomy. My reasoning is from the Abkhazia article specifically On 21 February 1992, Georgia's ruling Military Council announced that it was abolishing the Soviet-era constitution and restoring the 1921 Constitution of the Democratic Republic of Georgia. Many Abkhaz interpreted this as an abolition of their autonomous status. On 23 July 1992, the scessionist Abkhazian regime declared effective independence from Georgia, although this gesture went unrecognised by any other country. Kober says that the 1921 Georgian constitution gave autonomy to Abkhazia. I find this hard to believe and I can't find an English copy of the 1921 Georgian constitution. Either way, I believe just calling it Abkhazia is the most neutral as it doesn't make assertions as to whether it was an autonomy, independent, or a separate province of Georgia. Also, if you have access to a Russian version of the 1921 constition would you be kind as to check if it mentions autonomy for Abkhazia. Thanks Pocopocopocopoco 04:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC) Just to add, this is the two versions of the article. Pocopocopocopoco 04:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)