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My Continuing Efforts
It SAYS here that editing is encouraged, that everyone is supposed to chime in to produce the best possible writing. Yet the harsh comments I've received from you and that other fellow belie that. It is ASTOUNDING to me that anyone would make such comments to someone who IS experienced and merely trying to improve bad writing. Some of what I read is remarkably bad, and an editorial assistant -- something I was many years ago -- would know better, especially when it comes to basic punctuation.

But I'll tell you what I'm going to do now: no further editing, which appears to be what you want. The fact that I have spent my entire life doing it, am well versed in it, and know such things as where periods and commas go in relation to quotation marks, an important lesson that your so-called editors seem to have missed in school, appears to be worthless here.

I am NOT editing anything according to my personal preference or to some notion that standard American English editing style is supreme the world over. But that said, you cannot deny the continuing effect on the world that AMERICAN English has. British English, which appears for some odd reason to be preferred on this site, has nowhere near the same effect on the world.

But have it your way. I am done. You've succeeded in your goal of chasing away a talented editor who cared. Now I am just a talented editor who doesn't care.

Category creations
Are you willing to create plant categories? I get totally tangled up trying to create oddball pages, but we need genus pages now and then, and it would be nice if there were someone I could ask (you) to create them. Let me know if you're willing. KP Botany 17:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome, that's exactly how our now departed editor used to do them. Folks have decided to do categorization by genera in many cases, rather than families, then the genera are subcategories of the families, or the tribes, as it would be in this.  We need a category Cirsium for the thistle articles.  Thistle is in the tribe Cardueae, so it should be a subcategory of that.  I will try to post a tribe article for linking ASAP, but it could just be category:Cirsium for now.  Thanks! KP Botany 01:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:Apulia-geo-stub
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Sorry
Hello,

I'm sorry that this came across as spam.

I am trying to come up with a solution.

Unfortunately, it seems that some editors have just made up their minds, and are unwilling to listen.

I would appreciate any suggestions that you have.

And I have stopped emailing.

Thanks, Horlo 04:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Alai, Thanks for the input.

Sorry again that it had to start this way. Horlo 05:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Personal attack by Mallimak
As requested at my Talk page, here is yet another example of Mallimak making crass personal attacks: In my opinion all such crap should be immediately removed per WP:RPA; the ip banned; and the known sockpuppeteer, ie User:Mallimak, permanently banned. This is only the latest in countless such Talk page and Edit summary attacks.--Mais oui! 17:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 


 * And another two: and . The reference to "adding high quality contect" is particularly bizarre, as that is the one thing that Mallimak has never been guilty of. --Mais oui! 14:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * User:Mallimak was the originator of a great many articles on Orkney topics. He eventually gave up contributing after constant repeated attacks by User:Mais oui!.  Many Orcadian contributors have been alienated by Mais oui's behaviour (this is the "word on the street", many of us know each other in real life), and he has clearly made a few enemies as a result. Myself, I remember Mais oui! going all out to destroy the Orkney portal and the Orcadian Wikipedians page. I think he is now simply reaping what he has sown. It would be nice if the matter could be resolved. I see that Mais oui! has been blocked quite a few times for his behaviour, perhaps if a bit more control like this were exerted on him good Orcadian contributors like User:Mallimak and User:Orkadian could be encouraged back.

Dear Alai,

Thank you for your comment. I would urge you to continue to assume good faith and note what I say. 81.158.224.58 17:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Mallimak, here is what Alai said about you back in August 2006: ''"Delete. I won't say there couldn't be a sensibly-run Portal on Orkney, but as it stands this is just abuse of the project space (to go with earlier abuse of the article space, the category space, and template space by the same user). The description of an edit that adds "The Orkney archipelago is a council area of Scotland." as "vandalism", and reverting it with summary "Mais oui! Why are you interfering here? Can t you just bugger off?" basically sums up the problem with Mallimak's behaviour: a determination to have his "own" content in some niche of wikipedia, regardless of encyclopaedic value, and independent of other editors' input. If this keeps up, an RFC would be indicated."''

I could not possibly have put it any better myself. You are the most abusive, disruptive, destructive non-entity that I have ever encountered on Wikipedia, and my God, you are not short of competition. --Mais oui! 18:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above is clearly a personal attack, but please note that I am not User:Mallimak whatever Mais oui! may claim. The alleged quote by yourself I know nothing about, but it looks to me as if Mallimak was reaching the end of his tether by that stage! In real life he is quite a peaceable, intellectual fellow with a great knowledge of Orkney (he frequently writes informative articles for the local press), but he does not suffer fools gladly. It is shameful the way he was treated by Mais oui!, and a great loss to Wikipedia. 81.158.224.58 20:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Plant stubs
Hi there! Wanted to get your input before I formally proposed it since it's rather outside of my realm of expertise. Do you think an Algae-stub template would be useful? I just ran through the entire plant stubs category and found plenty of Chlorophyta-related stubs. Looks like the other algae stubs are in the reasonably-sized Category:Protist stubs. Thoughts? --Rkitko (talk) 18:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that's a very good idea. If there's enough of them to split out as a separate stub type, it's likely to be significantly useful, as I suspect algae specialists are a very different flavour of editor from those likely to be working on the "higher" plants.  If not, an upmerged template would be a step towards such a thing later on.  Alai 22:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * An intersection of and its subcats with  +  found 64 articles. Shall we propose it, then? --Rkitko (talk) 23:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Notification of discussion: Guideline/policy governing lists
Given your extensive Wikipedia experience, I'd appreciate your input on the following:

User:Sidatio/Conversations/On list guidelines

Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the topic. Sidatio 01:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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A.J. Moore Academy
Your bot keeps saying that A.J. Moore Academy has no catagory, but I already added one. Will you please look at this.

Thank you for the tip. I think I fixed it. --Playstationdude 20:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:
Was this empty when you deleted it? There were 60+ stubs "in" it a short while ago, despite now being a redlink. Re-editing the upmerged templates has cleared it out, now. (And I keep being told that "performance issues" with the job queue are just the product of a fevered mind...) Alai 01:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I redirected the templates and deleted the category two days ago. Surely the template link should have resorted things beforenow... sigh. Just like the old day with null-editing :/ Grutness...wha?  02:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Templates about Jilin, Liaoning and Heilongjiang
Dear Alai, Template:Jilin-geo-stub, Template:Liaoning-geo-stub, Template:Heilongjiang-geo-stub can NOT be considered as a subcategory of the Category:Northeast China geography stubs those provinces were created long time before Northeast China. If you considered them selves about sub-categories of North east China what about Manchuria then? Other example u can also consider as part of Southern USA dont u think so?!? Why dont u create a category then?

Northeast China become famous since the controversial Northeast China Project. You dont adopt an NPOV attitude by doing this action. I will therefore undo your action. Regards.

"North East" China geography stub types
See my earlier edit comment. What you're doing is essentially vandalising these templates. The whole point of a stub template is that it populates a category: removing the category completely defeats the purpose of having them. The current scheme is consistent with Northeast China, with the other stub categories also corresponding to PRC-designated "regions". The individual provinces also don't have enough articles to have their own stub categories. If you have some objection to this scheme, please proposed changing it at an appropriate venue and get consensus to do so, or if you really must, propose the stub category for deletion (or renaming, or replacement with something else). I'm going to fix these (again), and if you keep "de-categorising" them, I'll protect them. Alai 16:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * But i got a question what about creating Manchuria geography stub type then? because Category:Manchuria already exist right? then i will complete those template then. I am not vandalizing these templates.Whlee 17:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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UK Trams Stub
Can this stub now be saved? I've added plenty of stub articles, with plenty more if needed. Please comment.  Bluegoblin  7   18:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

WT:UTSH
I responded to your comment regarding Western U.S. road stubs at WT:UTSH. Regards,  T M F Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

help
I have got permission from an organization to use a picture on wikipedia URDU and ENGLISH versions. The picture can not be used for any other purpose. Can you help me for tagging the picture? What tag should be used? The picture can be seen in the article Huaisheng Mosque. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivazir (talk • contribs) 21:51, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

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Fish stubs
Hi there. I saw your works with the fish stubs. Just want to say thanks. I also left a reply on the catfish stub deletion proposal. Cheers. --Melanochromis 11:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Revisit an SFD?
G'day Alai - I made a slight mistake in my proposed naming of Czech-geo-stub at WP:SFD. Can you confirm whether or not it makes any difference to your !vote? Cheers, Grutness...wha?  00:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

River stubs
From the explanations provided by Mr. Gruntness I understood that the criteria for stub categories are differeht from the ones for article categories, as they are mainly meant for editors. Therefore he decided that geographic features such as rivers should be divided by administrative units (such as countries, counties etc.) and not be features (mountains, rivers, localities etc.). Also the degree of breaking down the stub categories depends on the number of stubs, i.e. if there are few stubs countries might be used whereas if there are more articles counties or further divisions should be used.

In the case of Romanian rivers which we are discussing, the lowest possible unit is the county. Under the counties there are communes, but as there are insufficient mapt indicating the limits of the communes, classying rivers by communes would not be feasible. Therefore, the only practical subdivision feasible is the County: Stub geography of XXXX county.

However, while this reduces the number of stubs in each stub category it does not comply to the requirement of not exceeding 800 articles per stub category. If we take all the rivers, mountains, localities and other geographic features of each county the number would be much larger for many of them.

Assuming you don't mind exceeding the indicated limit, the solution would be to use the geography of XXX county. If you are concerned about the number of articles and do not wish to subdivide counties by geographic features, the only further subdivision I can think of is using the alphabetic name of the feature, ie. Stub Geography of XXX County - A, and then  + B etc. Personally I don't think it is a very bright idea.

So you first have to decide to what extent you are willing to go over the 800 limit. I am aware that the limit is not strict, but if we concentrate on counties, the number of stubs could easily reach 3000-5000. Would that be OK or would we just postpone the discussion for a later date when we reach those numbers?

Regards. Afil 01:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I have no objections to sorting the river stubs by county. I expect that for some counties the number of stubs could be quite high. This might take some time and maybe, in time some stubs will become full fledged articles. Anyway I don't see any other solution. Afil 15:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I tried to comply to our agreement, and indicate the geo-stubs at least for the new articles as well as gradually correcting the old articles. I have however encountered the following problems:


 * some counties do not yet have templates: examples: Tulcea-geo-stub, Arad-geo-stub, Timiş-geo-stub, CaraşSeverin-geo-stub. Is it OK if I create them, or do you have other preferences.


 * for some strange reason there are two different stubs for the same county: Cluj-geo-stub and ClujCounty-geo-stub. This is a bit confusing. Which one is correct? Should the wrong one not be deleted?

I just want to get it right. Afil 19:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Fish stubs, and catfiformes...
Hmm... I think I'm not sure if I want to stir up the debate with the cat renaming. The sharks people tend to agree to use common names. That's why they are using. But some fish editors might have problems with this. PS. Good luck with the cichlid stubs. Tilapini stub is such a good idea. --Melanochromis 09:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)



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