User talk:Alan.Gilfroy

December 2012
Hello, I'm Surajt88. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Hebron School, Ooty, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ''Please search the web for sources to the information you add to the article. Failing to do so might result in removal of the information. Please read WP:REF to know how to add references and what kind of websites are allowed to be used as sources.'' Suraj  T  09:43, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hebron school
Hi Alan. I had previously removed some content which you have added in the article (which you re-added). As can be seen from my user page, I have been an editor of Wikipedia for more than 2 years and my interests in Wikipedia is primarily introducing notable topics from the region and keeping existing articles from degrading. I have seen a lot of editors, let's say alumni, from Hebron, trying to edit the article. The latest addition from you does not conform to Wikipedia standards and would have to be removed at some stage. Let me tell you that I am willing to expand about Hebron with your participation. We'll first remove the parts that isn't supposed to be included, search for reliable online sources and add appropriate material to the article. You can add the online sources which you find to the section "Online sources" here: Talk:Hebron School, Ooty. I'll start from my side when I find time. You can start searching for reliable online sources when you can and add them to the link mentioned. The relevant material can be added after discussion in the talk page. Cheers. Suraj T  12:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * moved from User talk:Surajt88
 * Suraj:


 * Please do not edit the article again, unless you have something useful to add. Regardless of how long you've worked for Wikipedia,you do no have the authority to declare what "does not conform to Wikipedia standards" without solid evidence. I repeat again, that it is *unethical* to delete other people's information.


 * And the sources I have cited are directly from school publications, as are the sources from the web. How can you call them unreliable?


 * Please do not make me have to report you to a Wikipedia Administrator.


 * Thanks for your concern.


 * Regards,


 * Alan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan.Gilfroy (talk • contribs) 22:11, 15 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Alan. I'll try to address your concerns in points.
 * 1. This is a free encyclopedia built up by collaborative editors. As such you have no rights to "ban" me from Hebron school. See WP:OWN.
 * 2. I'm not working for Wikipedia. I am a volunteer, who, like everybody else, add what I feel is interesting to me. In my case, topics related to Ooty.
 * 3. I am very sorry if you felt that I was trying to intimidate you. What I meant from that "editor of 2 years" comment was that you can depend on me to expand the article. i.e. I know the ways around here and can dig up sources and add material to the article in such a way that confirms to Wikipedia standards. It doesn't help either you or the article if you take a combative stance in this regard.
 * 4. It wasn't unethical. I didn't hack into your website and remove info. This is a collaborative wiki. There is no "your information". Again see WP:OWN quoted above.
 * 5. While primary sources (school publications) can be used in case of high schools, you can't use dead links and cannot use your own interpretation of the sources. Also, copyright infringement is taken seriously here. You said that the website copied from Wikipedia in a previous reversion by me, but I don't think so. As such, I have allowed the material till such a time we agree upon it.
 * 6. I highly welcome you contact an administrator if you feel I am in the wrong. Also note that your "threats" of reporting me to an administrator are not going to keep me off this article. I'm here to stay.
 * 7. Finally, accusing editors who you don't agree with (like me) as vandals, as you did here isn't good. See WP:CIVIL. Since you are self admittedly a student of the school, I'd ask you to thoroughly understand WP:COI.
 * P.S. I am still willing to consider my offer of working with you in expanding the article conforming to Wikipedia standards. If you wish not to, I am afraid I can't help further with the article as I am not particularly interested with the topic and we may have to move through other dispute resolution options. Also please reply below instead of my talk page, so we can keep conversations in one place. I will be watching this page. Cheers. Suraj  T
 * Also, in case you missed, I have nominated the file you uploaded: File:Lushington Hall Main Façade, August 2012.jpg for review at Non-free content review. You may present your views there if you disagree with me. On a personal note, since you are a former alumni of the school, you may upload the photos of the school you may have taken, under a Wikipedia compatible license instead of battling for non free files. Suraj  T  15:05, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Please comment at Talk:Hebron School, Ooty before you revert my changes. Also be aware of WP:3RR. Cheers. Suraj  T  11:07, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hi there...
I am sure you wouldn't take this as intimidation when I say that I have already a good article under my belt and have more than 6000 edits over the past two years. This, I am saying again so you can trust me as 'someone who would improve the article' instead of 'some 3rd world idiot who hates Hebron school'. Nobody cares here that you have high English/informational standards or that I am a non native English speaker. All that matters is that that the encyclopedia benefits. All these said, my offer is still on the table, albeit, for the last time. I am willing to work with your cooperation towards a stable version of the article. It may even be worked towards having a "good article" status, but again "with your cooperation". I would intially be posting a list of changes that I propose to make in the article at the talk page when I find time. I would be giving time for you to make a response before I start editing the article. If further cooperation is not received from you, and you continue with reversions, I am planning to escalate this to appropriate noticeboards, where sanctions against us may be enforceable unlike DRN. I would have shown more patience for other new editors with similar editing experience as yours, but your "attitude" towards me has prevented me from doing so and I am sorry for that. Suraj T  07:35, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Suraj, thank you for your message. I still stand by what I said earlier and I disagree with some of your remarks. However, since you are offering your cooperation and seem to have very good intentions, I'm willing to put the past aside and I'm going to treat you professionally and "assume good faith." After all, we both share the goal of wanting to improve the article: we can achieve progress if we work together and not against each other. I look forward to seeing your proposals on the talk page, and meanwhile I will also work towards improving the verifiability of the citations. Best, Alan.Gilfroy (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm sorry to keep you waiting, but, I am still in my mobile. With the travelling I am doing, I am unable to start with the article. I thought of setting a goal of getting the article to "good article" status. I know it can be quite tough with this article, coz I've managed one already with a relatively easy topic. You also might be interested in looking around WP:GAN and get a feel for it.. If you want to get started, you can upload a few pics (preferably "taken by you ;)") of Hebron and start working on the article. On a more personal note, my home is just a couple of minute's walk from hebron. I've observed the school from outside almost daily. But since I'm not in ooty now, I can't take any pics. I also suggest we throw out the nuances and pedantics of wikipedia like "assume good faith" n similar rules which seem to get in the way a lot between us, and just concentrate on getting the article improved. And finally, your disagreements with me are perfectly ok here. We can argue all we want in the talk, disagree with each other and might compromise on a common outcome, but if the article isnt improved after all that, our effort is in vain.Cheers. Suraj  T  17:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You still want to work on the article.?? I want you to work in improving the article and not just "suddenly appear" whenever some content is removed. You may have legitimate reasons for your absence, but just wanted to be clear that your further reversions of removals of unsourced/content sourced to primary sources will not be taken with lots of patience. Awaiting your reply. Suraj  T  14:15, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to my own computer at present. You can get started on the article, I'll start chipping in with my work in a few days. Best, Alan.Gilfroy (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

The half a barnstar!
Suraj T  11:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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