User talk:Alan Liefting/Archive 10

Articles for deletion nomination of Climate change in Sweden
I have nominated Climate change in Sweden, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Climate change in Sweden. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Brilliantine (talk) 01:55, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Another biased nomination. Why on earth should the article be deleted? I think that the people that make these nominations should at least be able to explain why on the user talk pages of the other people who create the articles. Otherwise, in spite of template style civility, these notifications just look like rude and lazy political censorship messages pushed through by users with vested interests and few scruples. Cerius Mann (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Climate change in Sweden
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 * Removing an article on account of its being a stub seems a fairly weak reason. Wouldn't it have been more reasonable to simply label the article a stub and request expansion - as per the norm for a reasonable article title? Cerius Mann (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

T-L Irrigation
I added some references to T-L Irrigation. You may want to revisit the AfD. - Eastmain (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Article probation at Climate change denial
Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia! In case you are not already aware, an article to which you have recently contributed is on article probation. -- TS 10:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject California open tasks
Hi, I noticed you added a request to WikiProject California/Open tasks for Environmental issues in California. Unfortunately that page is inactive, and I forgot to tag it as such when I recently cleaned up the project pages. You might want to post an article request at WP:REQUEST, or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California. Sorry for any inconvenience this has caused you. -Optigan13 (talk) 10:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Clarification request
–xenotalk 16:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Just FYI the task is complete, you may want to file the other one you mentioned while the queue is clear. Best, –xenotalk 14:56, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Bill Keller (televangelist)
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RfD nomination of "Apparatus and Hand"
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Autoarchiving
Just as a quick FYI, the age= parameter in Archives is purely for display purposes, with the actual timing of the MiszaBot runs being set as here. Given that that talkpage is currently at 202 kB, reducing the live time for threads is certainly a good idea - thanks. - 2/0 (cont.) 05:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Climate change in the United Kingdom
I reverted this edit because cross-namespace redirects are against our Redirect policy. --TS 08:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The redirect guideline says nothing about cross namespace redirects however I am fully aware that we generally do not link content over to admininstration articles. In this case it is better to link to a useful category rather than the generic climate change page. I am more comfortable with a redir to a category in this manner than I am with the occasional pipe trick such as Religious action on climate change linking to a cat) as has been done at Individual and political action on climate change. Incidentally, that is another article that could be created. Readers do not expect what essentially looks like a link to a article end up at a category. The redir from Climate change in the UK to the category is acceptable since there is no links from articles. All this is academic really since it is only affects a search on the redir name. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:56, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

An open proposal for a WikiProject Talk Pages
I noticed you were involved in a past proposal for a WikiProject that dealt with talk pages, and I wanted to let you know that a similar proposal is now open. If you would support such a project, I would appreciate your vote. - Garrett W. {☎ ✍} 09:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Your Haiti Page Edit (04:42, 14 January 2010)
Out of curiosity, why did you feel the need to reduce the "Environment" section of the Haiti main page to little more than a single line? Clearly it's highly relevant as part of the main article, and yet now it is as conspicuous as it is disproportionate in relation to all the other sections. Yotoen (talk) 08:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, the summary on the Haiti page is rather too brief. The Environment of Haiti article itself is far from complete so it is difficult to summarise it until that is done. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Care and attention
I expect a bit more respect for my edits than this William M. Connolley (talk) 10:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Blanking commons images
I or another gnomey admin end up deleting these file pages anyway, if you want I can just go through the list you have and delete them without the need for the blanking. --Closedmouth (talk) 14:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't have a list - I stumble across them in some of the categories that I check then remove the categories. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could pull a list out of my contributuions in file namespace? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

help pages
Hi Alan, you're going great guns on your reader help mission. I have a couple of issues though, we need to encourage as many readers as possible to become editors so shouldn't make the help files reader specific e.g. you have tagged Help:Disambiguation as reader help but it is equally a highly important editor help page. Another point is you have reactivated a number of pages e.g. Help:Searching, we've recently been trying to reduce the redundancy amongst help pages - there was help:searching, wikipedia:searching, and more.. and the content forks had become unmaintainable ( there aren't enough help page editors) The page was merged into wikipedia:searching with the intention to it move back to help:searching once support was clear ( possibly requiring an Rfc to cover help pages in general), if you are planning simple 'cut down versions' how about using 'Introduction to xxxx' format, this would fit in nicely with current directions ? Lee&there4;V (talk • contribs) 23:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually we only need to encourage those readers who would be good editors however that may be done. Making it too easy to become an editor may encourage the "bad editors"? Don't get me wrong - I don't want to be an elitist when it comes to editing Wikipedia. I just feel that those who really want to help the project will find their way to becoming an editor. If a reader is able to become an editor very easily that editor may have a lower level of commitment to WP that one who has to actively seek out the means of editing an article. However, all this is a little academic. The barriers of entry for readers to become editors is very low. Anyway... The two articles you mention have hatnotes that link to the more comprehensive Wikipedia namespace articles which contain editing info. The series of articles I have created are a work in progress and they need a little tweaking and expanding but I still feel they should be short. There are a far greater number of readers than editors so we need resources for them. There are some interesting essays at Readers First and Make articles useful for readers. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Given! The bits you've done so far look pretty good. The course through the help was a little baffling not too long ago .. ( work in progress :) so it's a good thing your creating a comfortable route through for readers.. we're trying the same for editors. To be a good editor will usually require being a good reader first so we shouldn't have too much problem with an overlap, i.e reading through the 'reader' pages first and then onto editing if the user feels motivated. Random vandals will vandalise straight away and won't venture this far, technical vandals will probably be too eager to get at the nuts and bolts and won't bother either, so I don't think we have to worry too much past the first few pages that readers won't be of good intent. ! Those essays are aimed at article content though and we shouldn't prioritize readers above editors in the help pages beyond the reader intro phase, but as long as we leave some breadcrumbs (as you mentioned) we should be allright. In case you missed my reply on the help project, if you check out Help:Getting started and Help:Help should give you an idea of where we're going with the editors path, maybe a specific button somewhere in there to link to reader help maybe? I think it's be a good idea to get the gist of wikipedia in early ( i.e. volunteer written, free, broad aims and limits of content ) this ought to help readers understand what they are using better! One thing I haven't found yet in my travels, which would fit in with your mission is 'guide for parents/schools/institutions' if you spot any let us know or maybe consider including them! 00:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Upon rereading, don't want to you to think my comments are negative and throw you off track, just trying to save duplication and combine forces ! The location and wording can be fine tuned later, but do check out the intros in progress and share any thoughts :) Lee&there4;V (talk • contribs) 00:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Just found Help:Reader which could be invaded - I was loking for an index to your new help and this was the first thing I typed in!--Lee&there4;V (talk • contribs) 00:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh. I missed that one! I have redirected it to Help:Wikipedia. Need to build taht page up a bit. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:32, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Tobacco in the United States
Hey Alan, I posted to the talk page for Tobacco in the United States asking about where the article is heading. I'm sure as the article creator there's a pretty good chance you have the talk watchlisted, but in case not, I thought it might be good to let you know about Talk:Tobacco in the United States

Thanks! Joren (talk) 09:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Ta. Have relied there. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Charlie Balun
Hello Alan Liefting. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Charlie Balun, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Ged UK  12:14, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
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Insurance Companies in Pakistan
This article is nominated for deletion as per the policy. I like to rename it as "List of Pakistan insurance companies" or move it to "List of insurance companies in the Pakistan" as it simply provides the list of insurance companies working in the Pakistan. Will this qualify it for not to be deleted?

Please leave your comments on discussion page of the article or remove the deletion tag before it is renamed. Altafqadir (talk) 19:21, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The page is now deleted. Simply recreating it as a list of insurance companies will raise the same concerns as at the article deletion discussion. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:37, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

No es mio
Thank you for the notification. I have explained my rôle in the creätion of “The Big Blue Book of Bicycle Repair” at the AfD discussion, and contacted LP-mn, who provided the content that was cloned to the nominated article. — SlamDiego &#8592;T 08:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of my article "Insurance Companies in Pakistan"
I object to deletion of this article which I wanted to rename it as "List of Pakistan insurance companies". If listing of companies is not allowed on wikipedia then all the articles providing list of insurance companies regarding any country should be deleted. And why just stop here, all the article providing list of companies in any sector should be deleted as well. Any objection to the Category was concerned, I requested for help on the discussion page of the article. Altafqadir (talk) 00:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I put it forward for deletion but I did not delete it. If you have concerns you can put it up for deletion review but I suspect it will not be considered because the article did not fit with the inclusion criteria of Wikipedia, namely the Wikipedia is not a directory. If there are any articles of the same nature as the article in question, and I have not seen any, they will be treated in the same way. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:45, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Help:Searching
Hi Alan. I left a message for you at Wikipedia talk:Searching.

--David Göthberg (talk) 01:27, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Evgeny Belyaev
Thank you for your efforts with this one. I'm extremely busy this week, but can look at it probably after next weekend. I agree it needs a tidy up, but this page is sensitive, as it's the only full repository of information in English about this great tenor, apart from the blog whose link you removed - and the value of that blog was mainly the rare photographs, which are validated by his fellow soloist. So I hope to be able to do the tidyup job myself, in the hope that valuable information will not be lost. Please reply on my talkpage, thanks.--Storye book (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Trevor H. Worthy
either you add a reliable published source for his birthday or i will remove it. see: wp:blp "Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, blogs and tweets as a source for material about a living person" --Melly42 (talk) 12:22, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of largest hydroelectric power stations
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Akke Kumlien
I've made a comment on the discussion page on Akke Kumlien, a page that I once started and that you once nominated for deletion. There are some facts that should go into the article (and the page really need to be cleaned up). If you find somebody to rewrite the article, I could help with more facts and better references to sources. I rather use my free time for more enjoyable things than writing in English (shudder) and I'm pretty sure the article would benefit from being written by somebody who actually enjoys using the English language. --Se mj (talk) 11:10, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I would rather leave it up to WikiProject Sweden members. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Religious scientists
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Thanks
Just a small thanks for the undoing of my talk page vandalism. Much appreciated. Paralympiakos (talk) 22:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thats ok. Thank Huggle. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 22:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Chart of NZ's score on Yale/Colombia Environmental Performance Index
Alan, after seeing a couple of blog postings about NZ's score on the Yale/Colombia Environmental Performance Index I copied the data and made a chart then I uploaded it to Wiki Commons.



Would it fit on any of the NZ environment/sustainability pages? Mrfebruary (talk) 09:33, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I have been giving some thought to the enviro ranking of individual countries. I want to see some sort of comparison between global figures and comparability countries added to all of the environment by country articles. I will add your graph to Environment of New Zealand. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Evolution tag from Viral evolution
Just wondering why you removed the 'Evolution' category tag from the Viral evolution article. I did not place the tag there, but I am curious - it seems appropriate. -- Scray (talk) 00:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It is already in Category:Evolutionary biology which itself is a subcat of Category:Evolution and therefore redundant. Also, Category:Evolution is for articles about all sorts of evolution not just biological evolution. I am in the process of cleaning it up. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clarifying; I'm only beginning to pay attention to categories, so this is helpful. -- Scray (talk) 04:38, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I do quite a bit of work on the categories and I have found that redundancy and over-categorisation are the two biggest problems. I guess you have found Categorization and WikiProject Categories? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:44, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:Types of technology
Thanks for the CFD notice. Maurreen (talk) 18:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Flagged revision
I have nominated for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. DES (talk) 07:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Rodes Buchanan
Hi. Just wanting to know the rationale for removing the Parapsychology category from this article. The subject of the article performed many studies on a topic that is now common to Parapsychology (besides coining the original term Psychometry (paranormal)). I'd like to put it back. - Steve3849  00:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I will reply at the talk page. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:39, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Reader help
Hi Alan, you've been going great guns reader help is looking good - how do you reckon it is going? I've had a major bash at tidying up Category:Wikipedia help myself ( still some way to go), I'm not sure what the end result will be but one of it's subcats Category:Wikipedia interface help might be of interest to your aims ( I'm planning on creating a page that recreates the links around the main window, but pointing to the relavent help pages) - amongst other stuff! Lee&there4;V (talk • contribs) 00:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. THere may be some other reader help stuff that I have not added but I may stumble across it as I have with a few of the oters. I have got myself spread quite thinly over WP at present but will try and help out at the help pages where possible. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 01:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You've done well to keep your brain intact - delving into the depths of the help pages can be a mare! They are improving, what normally happens is an editor comes along, has a major bash at them, and then realizes what a task it is ! With a banging head they then settle for making occasional improvements as they see fit.. but in the process the brick wall of a task is gradually weakened and one day it will fall - you have probably encountered many of the other previous pioneers in your dealings on the various help pages, they still edit. Don't fret and spread yourself too thin - list any ideas / things you'd like to see done at the help project and one day it'll get done ( hopefully! ). Or clone yourself :) .. best wishes 02:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Petroleum in the united states
Thanks for calling my attention to your article Petroleum in the United States. It is certainly a topic worthy of an extensive article, and I'll try to add to it in the coming days. Thanks. Plazak (talk) 10:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

RfC on Deforestation pages
I have posted a RfC on Talk:Deforestation by region that might be of interest to you since you have been involved in the creation of multiple Deforestation of... articles. Please stop by and share your feedback. –  VisionHolder  « talk »  09:30, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Chch meetup
Hi Alan, I left a message for you at New_Zealand_Wikipedians'_notice_board.  Schwede 66  03:13, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Plant Categories
Got your message on the plant categories. Bit of a newbie still so I wasn't sure if I was categorizing too specifically or not, but I saw that there was a category for flora of North Dakota so I thought I'd flesh it out. Anyway, would you say going back and switching the pages I've done to Category:Flora of the Plains-Midwest or perhaps Category:Flora of the United States would be an appropriate move? Thanks for the heads up. Glorioussandwich (talk) 00:50, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Have a read of WP:CAT. Putting plants in Category:North Dakota would be redundant if it is already in say Category:North America. Also, there are some plants that would be in virtually every political jurisdiction and therefore putting in it only one of them makes no sense. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 00:56, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Omni/OMNI Television
I saw your recent move request; be aware that this was discussed in the past, and moved to the uncapitalized form due to WP:TRADEMARK. Is there any special reason for this particular move? (I'm not objecting, but given that style guideline, I think it qualifies as "controversial". I'll move it down.) <b style="font-family:Constantia; font-size:medium; color:#0077bb;">TheFeds</b> 04:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

revising a deleted page
My company's page was deleted. How can I make changes to that page to make it visible once again? Also, are there certain things I you would suggest I add to the content so that it doesn't get deleted again?

Thanks, and here is the link to my company's page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Heavy_Construction_Systems_Specialists —Preceding unsigned comment added by HCSS Software (talk • contribs) 17:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The page was deleted because the company was deemed non-notable. If the page was recreated it would still be put up for deletion unless the company has suddenly become notable enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 18:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Ropata
The snapshot of the hoax website was presumably added to Wikipedia in good faith. Ropata's edits to Destiny Church-related articles are moderate. Your comments on Ropata's talk page would be more appropriate for a vandal. Please consider amending them to be simply a notification of the speedy deletion nom rather than a warning for bad behaviour.- gadfium 20:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I used Twinkle for the speedy deletion without thinking about the resultant message on Ropata's talk page. I have apologised. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you.- gadfium 04:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * It was the least I could do. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

African countries
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Wikipedia:Overcategorization
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Your proposal to delete the article on Diana Leafe Christian
Dearest Alan:

Thank you for notifying me of your proposal. I believe Diana probably does merit a Wikipedia page, and will work with others to polish up the page to reflect that. And of course should the community decide she does not warrant one it will be deleted. Paxuscalta (talk) 15:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * It went through the AfD process and the decision was to keep it. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Redirecting Isaac Worthington
This character is already a major character in the series and is going to feature heavily for the next few months seeing as the actor has a year long contract. There is no sense redirecting it when at one stage it will all have to be rewritten. Please reply on my discussion page.

Articles for deletion nomination of Genetic engineering in the United States
I have nominated Genetic engineering in the United States, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Genetic engineering in the United States. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Emeraude (talk) 11:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Either/or
Kia Ora Alan,

Either Epilachna vigintioctopunctata is the junior synonym of Henosepilachna vigintioctopunctata, or Henosepilachna vigintioctopunctata is the junior synonym of Epilachna vigintioctopunctata. Well, I myself wouldn't have a clue.

Let's ask the CSIRO... The results are in, and according to these links one can say with certainty that either Epilachna vigintioctopunctata is the junior synonym of Henosepilachna vigintioctopunctata, or Henosepilachna vigintioctopunctata is the junior synonym of Epilachna vigintioctopunctata. I hope that clarifies things for you. As for me, I'm left even more turducken' confused than when we started. --Shirt58 (talk) 10:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Good catch
I had goaded poli to help start the portal as I had thought that shipwrecks might have had a fighting chance - but the milhist control of ships means that any sensible conversation with anyone about scope and delineation is literally impossible, and milhist basically = ships, and by default shipwrecks - the pun of shipwrecks = shipwrecks would probably be beyond them. Like rfa - it is broke :( It wold be nice to finish the portal - but need to check with poli if he can help me SatuSuro 00:49, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Polinossis has saved a version - you are most welcome to eliminate current version for the time being - cheers SatuSuro 05:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * We will have to wait for the MfD to run its course unless it is tagged as db-author. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * He is in time zone on the other side :) and might just be off - thank you for the suggestion SatuSuro 06:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

NZETS
Alan, can you give me some advice? The NZETS page has had over 100 edits over Easter. The editor claims on the talk page that the 'Previous version was full of irrelevant half truths'. However I question much of this editor's work as not being NPOV. While a small number usefully edit loose language, many of the edits involve deleting material with reliable sources that the editor (Catonz) seems to disagree with. Given the bulk of edits, would you suggest I tag items as lacking RS, or sections lacking NPOV, or raise issues in a list on the talk page, or what? Mrfebruary (talk) 07:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Do it all but don't start an edit war! Tagging with the approp templates is good. There is a long list of changes made on the talk page. You could use that list to discuss concerns. I am going through the edits at present to make my judgement on whether it is POV-pushing. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Alan. I have left some responses on the talk page and marked one section as POV. There's more to come Mrfebruary (talk) 10:55, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have now left quite a few comments on the talk page, quoting WP policies, trying to be polite, giving RS's. Mrfebruary (talk) 09:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

help...
Hi,

I am the author for RSPO. And am new at this. Can you give me an example of how a reference should be written. Most of the articles are association based or from stakeholder meeting. Your kind assistance is much appreciated. Best regards, sarala —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.197.22.35 (talk) 08:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

help...
Hi Alan,

I am the author for RSPO. And am new at this. Can you give me an example of how a reference should be written. Most of the articles are association based or from stakeholder meeting.

Can you email your reply to: sarala@rspo.org Your kind assistance is much appreciated.

Best regards, sarala —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.197.22.35 (talk) 08:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Follow the link on the template to Citing sources. Mor info at Citation templates. Given that your email address includes  you may also want to read Conflict of interest. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:19, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Alan !

Fascinated by the cardboard models, I am the author of the page about L'Instant Durable, that you want delete. This page is a traduction (by a english friend) of my first contribution to Wikiproject, that you can read here

Sorry, I forgot to put this article in a category...I'll try to fix this error, but if you can help me, it would be great ! (And I'm sorry for my english, which is now a distant memory...).

Landemer (talk) 08:56, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

WP Environment in the Signpost
WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Environment for a Signpost article to be published April 19. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 04:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder that the Signpost would like to interview you for an article scheduled to run next week. This is a great opportunity to showcase your contributions and promote WikiProject Environment. Please take a look at the questions and answer as many as you like. Thanks. -Mabeenot (talk) 21:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the opportunity to be interviewed. I was debating whether or not to partake but I have now decided that I will. I will complete the questionnaire today. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey what gives?
I saw you deleted something on one of my user pages,   Why would you do that? Delete something off of a user page. It's disrespectful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by O'DaveY (talk • contribs) 08:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I deleted a category since user pages don't belong in content categories. See WP:CAT.-- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Map of Tonga Island Marine Reserve.gif
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Proposed deletion of Mitigation of Aviation's Environmental Impact


The article Mitigation of Aviation's Environmental Impact has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * unneeded redir

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 17:36, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I've removed your PROD from Mitigation of Aviation's Environmental Impact. One, it's not the correct method; a CSD tag should be used. Two, there are still links in other places pointing to this page, and they should be fixed before the Redirect page is removed. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:23, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Pet names and Wet paint
Hi Alan, the author of these and other articles clearly  has a history  of creating articles that  most  probably  are not  wanted in  a serious encyclopedia. I've gone through all the creations, and the trend is unlikely  to  stop  anytime soon. Is there anything that  can  be done to help  get the message across? The editor is hardly  a newbie, but has a relatively  low count.--Kudpung (talk) 10:34, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I also checked some of the editors contribs, hence the addition AfD that I put forward. I don't know if an admin would want to intervene. Any unneeded articles will be picked up by other editors on New Page patrol or elsewhere. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Cannabis in the United Kingdom
I have nominated Cannabis in the United Kingdom, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Cannabis in the United Kingdom. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. The Pink Oboe (talk) 23:15, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Please Investigate Problems on BP (british Petroleum) Wikipedia Page: Intentionally Burying Section on Gulf of Mexico Oil Disaster, Changing Name of Oil Disaster to Hide it
Any attempts to correct this (following reasonable Wikipedia guidelines) are met with aggressive reverts and edits. Intentional spinning and manipulation of article in favor of BP? Can this task force investigate this?

Currently there is no easily recognizable section on the current Gulf of Mexico Oil Disaster, surprisingly since the US Government has held BP responsible. Instead the "Oil Disaster" Section in the article keeps being given obscure (hard to recognize) names (as if someone is trying to hide the section from the public).

That section also keeps getting pushed to the bottom of the article (attempts to bury it)?

It's as if the BP Public Relations department has staff people who are aggressively spinning the article.

Can you call in additional Admins to help investigate this? This page is being heavily defended and you may need back-up.

75.71.192.54 (talk) 02:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I will have a look but from what you have said above suggests that other editors are trying to avoid recentism on the BP article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Ratana church photo
I hope you don't mind, but I've uploaded an edited version of your photo of the Ratana church near Raetihi over the top of your original version. If you don't like it, please feel free to revert back to the old version. I've also added it the New Zealand article. --Avenue (talk) 12:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. The contrast level did bother me but I never noticed the perspective angle. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

New Zealand politics task force

 * Will do. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Cross Rail Ranch
Just a quick note to let you know that I removed the speedy deletion template you placed on Cross Rail Ranch because. The article contains a claim of significance which I find credible. There also seem to be many independent news sources available which discuss this topic, which tends to suggest it is notable.

Please be aware that is normally inappropriate re-add a speedy deletion template when another editor (other than the creator of the article) has removed it, because speedy deletion is only for uncontroversial deletions. If you believe the article still needs to be deleted, please consider WP:PROD or WP:AFD which can be used for deletions which are not covered by the speedy deletion criteria.

I am not an administrator and I do not have any special authority in this matter. If you feel that I have made a mistake, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. Thparkth (talk)

Thparkth (talk) 02:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello
You commented about the Johnny Cash song list page I am trying to create, saying it is not a list.

I was modeling it after this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Elvis_Presley_songs

Is there some way that that qualifies, and thus someway that I can edit my page to meet the guideline? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth Septic (talk • contribs) 06:06, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to admit that as a WP page it is marginal as to whether it is suitable for inclusion, but given that there are already two other related lists it is a little redundant. It will be a matter of seeing what the consensus is. If it is deleted then the Elvis one may have to o as well. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

The other two related lists aren't very complete as far as truly covering all of Cash's songs. If it has to be taken down, I would like to contribute to the other list or lists so that if only one exists it can be complete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth Septic (talk • contribs) 06:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Message regarding speedy deletion on Felixia Yeap
I removed the recent speedy deletion tag you added to this article. I haven't seen any articles linked to the AfD, or any of those discussions that was deleted previously. Also, in terms of A7, the person who created it has explained why she was famous. I don't think it fits any of the criteria for speedy deletion, and hence, that was a little bit bitey by the messages you left on his talk page. <font color="#002BB8">Minima <font color="#002BB8">c <font color="#002BB8"> (<font color="#002BB8">talk ) 08:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * There was no AfD - it was speedily deleted. See the log for the page. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 10:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You probably realize this now, but the speedy deletion category you used, G4, may only be used if there was a previous AfD resulting in the deletion of the article. Speedies don't count for this. Thparkth (talk) 11:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Odd... No, I was not aware of that. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 11:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Bitey? Not really! I used Twinkle and it left the standard messages and they are of a very reasonable tone. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment
Regarding the article for Felixia Yeap..She is a well known model in Malaysia and i think a space should be given in wikipedia as she gains a huge amount of fans around Malaysia.Do consider. Dannychungsr (talk) 13:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I will leave it up to the AfD process to determine an outcome. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Use the AfD discussion page to influence the outcome. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

An Endless Sporadic (album)
I don't understand why you have nominated An Endless Sporadic for speedy deletion. The album has been highly praised in the progressive rock genre and contains some well known musicians. I have even included vital information on how the album was created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clevelandcavsfan11 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It was not notable enough and was eligible for for deletion since there is no article on the band itself. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:09, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Washera College
Just a quick note to let you know that I removed the speedy deletion template you placed on Washera College because. A7 specifically excludes schools. Also, educational institutions at high school level and above are considered prima facie notable per WP:OUTCOMES.

Please be aware that is normally inappropriate re-add a speedy deletion template when another editor (other than the creator of the article) has removed it, because speedy deletion is only for uncontroversial deletions. If you believe the article still needs to be deleted, please consider WP:PROD or WP:AFD which can be used for deletions which are not covered by the speedy deletion criteria.

I am not an administrator and I do not have any special authority in this matter. If you feel that I have made a mistake, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. Thparkth (talk)


 * The creator of the article had removed the speedy deletion notice which is why I replaced it. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment
Thank you for saying my grandmother wasn't important. I don't appreciate it. Bye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Francis Seidman (talk • contribs) 07:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Do not feel that it is a personal affront. The article appears to not meet Wikipedia notability guidelines. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:Notability for Richard L. Kinzel
Hi,

Please read the sources sourced on the article. CEO of the 7th largest amusement park chain, if that is notable. Cedar Fair links to this article. let me know if there is anything else you want.

Seniortrend (talk) 05:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


 * That is insufficient reason according to Notability (people). -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:48, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Removed PROD on Small Business Lending Index
I have removed the prod tag from Small Business Lending Index, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the prod template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! - Alan I found several mainstream references to this with a quick search. I suspect it is notable. We should give it some time and I will try and give the creator some advice on how to improve the article. Thanks--Mike Cline (talk) 14:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

New NZ Stub Crafar Farms
Hi Alan. I just created a stub for Crafar_Farms. FYI. Mrfebruary (talk) 04:23, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Boy Spies of America
I declined your speedy on this article, because I did a little googling that made me think it might actually be a notable organization. However, it's also possible that I'm wrong, so I hope you'll keep it on your watchlist while I'm away in China- if it looks like it isn't going to be anything but an anti-Obama hatrack, please feel free to send it along to AFD with my blessing. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Hugh Hendry
Just a quick note to say that I removed your speedy-A7 tag from this article because I think there's a (weak) claim of significance there. Feel free to put it back if you disagree.

Cheers,

Thparkth (talk) 02:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Removed Wikiproject Environment from Wetland?
How come you removed it? <font face="Century Gothic"> Equazcion ( talk ) 04:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Because WikiProject Environment is for articles about anthropogenic changes to the environment rather than the environment in its entirety. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:06, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * With all the destruction and focus of conservation on wetlands I'd think they qualify. No? <font face="Century Gothic"> Equazcion ( talk ) 06:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * No, because if that was done WikiProjects would become cluttered with all manner of articles of little relevance. I have added Wetland conservation to WikiProject Environment. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 07:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Judaism and environmentalism
The category renaming looks good to me. Thanks for the heads up, belatedly yours, HG | Talk 19:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to delete WIlliams G. Wagner
I misspelled his name anyway. David.Kane (talk) 00:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ketab Sara Co. article, following up your deletion proposal
Dear Alan,

Concerning the Ketab Sara Co. article, if this Iranian publisher, doing an outstanding cultural job under duress, does not qualify as notable, I am afraid no Iranian publisher would do. Wikipedia should not take an ethnocentric view of notability--we do not want Wikipedia to include article about publishers based only in developed countries (with web-visible notability). Note that Amirkabir (still active) and Caravan (no more active) are the only Iranian publishers that have Wiki articles. Your suggestions are most welcome to find a solution.

Best, Jean-Charles

Brotons (talk) 09:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Brotons —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brotons (talk • contribs) 09:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Whether Ketab Sara Co. is doing an "outstanding cultural job under duress" in itself is not a reason for a Wikipedia page. If that is documented in reliable publications it would help to support a case for a page. As for an enyhocentric view, that is one of the known systemic biases in Wikipedia. The AfD will hopefully take all these points into account. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Arnold River (New Zealand) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Arnold River (New Zealand). Since you had some involvement with the Arnold River (New Zealand) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 01:46, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Ketab Sara Co, references to news media coverage will soon be added
Dear Allan,

In addition to the three references already included in the article, a dozen of news media coverage references will be added with the next 24 or 72 hours. Note that the Amirkabir article (corresponding to the only other active Iranian publisher in the English Wikipedia) includes no references.

Best, Brotons (talk) 04:28, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I cannot reverse the AfD process now that it is instigated. Also, Amirkabir redirects to an article about a person, not a publisher. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Amirkabir publishing's wiki art. URL, and following up the Ketab Sara Co's discussion
-Amirkabir publishing's Wiki art.'s URL is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amirkabir_(publisher).

-I understand that you cannot reverse your deletion proposal; yet your advice concerning the Ketab Sara's art. would be most helpful.

Best, Brotons (talk) 09:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Eight references added, Ketab Sara Co. meets Wikipedia notability criteria for organisations and corporations
Dear Allan,

Follows what I have just included to relevant discussion pages. Please assess, and withdraw the deletion proposal tag from the article if convinced.

1. Added references indicate substantial international, and national news media coverage. These were selected out of a file of about sixty news media references. More references will be added if needed, yet according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CORP "Notability requires only that ... necessary sources exist, not that the sources have already been named in the article."

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CORP points out, and asks for avoiding, the kind of bias that has led Alan Liefting to propose deletion. Indeed, it says: "Large organizations are likely to have more readily available verifiable information from reliable sources that provide evidence of notability; however, smaller organizations can be notable, just as individuals can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations."

3. Contrary to Alan Liefting's reactions to my comments on his talk page, Ketab Sara Co.'s cultural role in the Iranian context is a factor in evaluating its notability. Indeed, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CORP: "When evaluating the notability of organizations, please consider whether it has had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education."

Best, Brotons (talk) 01:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

mute swan
Did you mean to remove the image gallery? I don't care, only asking. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I did mean to remove it. The article is linked to Commons where the images reside and the gallery cluttered up the page. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 19:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Only wanted to know, thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Category:Cathead
I closed one, but due to the lack of comments from anyone else, I felt it was better to nominate the remaining Category:Cathead in a new discussion. Also, when I closed the education one, I actually substituted it, which I am sure is not exactly what you wanted. I can have a bot go through and remove the portal links, but I couldn't just remove it since it was generating some necessary categories. Thanks! Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 19:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

i re-posted the speed afd for the article alka ajith.
Hi ! i re-posted the speed afd for the article alka ajith, i find the article to be unfit for wiki standards & seems like nothing but a boasting & self add article .... -- <font style="color:#ffd700;background:#000;">Doctor muthu's muthu wanna talk ? 22:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I put it up for AfD at Articles for deletion/Alka Ajith. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:24, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Good Work buddy ! :) ...thanks ....-- <font style="color:#ffd700;background:#000;">Doctor muthu's muthu wanna talk ? 18:30, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Help with Categories
I have a question how do you add pages to a category but not under Alphabetically order but under a title "Associates". These two pages should be merged together [Category:Lucchese crime family]] and [Category:Lucchese crime family Associates]]. Thanks. Can you send me a response to my page thanks. --JoeyBR (talk) 19:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Ketab Sara Co., surprised by your last tag
Dear Allan,

The discussion concerning Ketab Sara's notability has been closed, the conclusion was 'keep'. Moreover, the article does include links [in the body] to other article, hence it is not an orphan. So, I undid your last contribution, removing the corresponding tag. Please reply on my talk page, if you see anything still bothers you.

Best, 19:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brotons (talk • contribs)

Infobox book listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Infobox book. Since you had some involvement with the Infobox book redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Svick (talk) 03:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:NZ_possum_spread_1870_-_1990.jpg
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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Chris G Bot (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi ! Double vote's removed.
Hi ! Double vote's removed. I didnt notice that. regards-- <font style="color:#ffd700;background:#000;">Doctor muthu's muthu wanna talk ? 11:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Restoration request of my article "Insurance Companies in Pakistan"
I had written an article "Insurance Companies in Pakistan" which was nominated by you for deletion and deleted. I wished to rename it as "List of Pakistan's Insurance Companies" or "List of Insurance Companies in Pakistan". At present, I do not have the record of the changes I made or the complete list of those companies mentioned in the article. kindly help me in restoring that article so that I shall link some pages which are already on wikipedia and the article I shall write in future, as soon as I shall have time to write about these companies. I already have written one in this regard. Providing the link for the convenience, was my primary purpose behind writing the article "Insurance Companies in Pakistan" which I shall rename as "List of Insurance Companies in Pakistan". In this regard, I need help and guidance. Please write your comments on my talk page. Altafqadir (talk) 10:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not an administrator so I cannot retrieve the article. You could ask User:Tone who deleted the original article or possibly any other administrator. -- Alan Liefting (talk) -

Crewe Report
Alan, feel free to download the pdf from my homepages as use it as you wish. As far as I'm aware the NZ Govt regards such reports as being in the public domain but it may pay to check. The NZ Govt has other Royal Commission reports etc available for download on their Ministry of Justice webpage, but the Thomas report is historical and I don't think it is there. This pdf was scanned privately and as far as I'm aware I'm the only one currently hosting it on the internet, I've made it publicly available for the last 5 years (approximately). I had a link to it placed on the Crewe Wikipedia article about 3 years ago, I had just noticed that it wasn't on the Thomas page as well. Hope this helps RichardJ Christie (talk)