User talk:Alan Rycroft

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Speedy deletion nomination of PEJ News - Peace, Earth & Justice News
A tag has been placed on PEJ News - Peace, Earth & Justice News requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for web content. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Talkback
❝iBen❞ 21:49, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi iBen, I believe I have addressed your original concerns by adding some additional References to the article. Please let me know if you think anything else is missing. Regards, Alan Rycroft (talk) 22:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I have noted the hangon tag you applied to the above-captioned article and the material you left on its associated talk page. Unfortunately you have apparently failed to understand the need for reliable sources; arm's-length third-party expert sources of opinion that assert that the website in question is in any notable. Being indexed by Google News, and the other assertions you made with respect to this article, don't have much, if anything, to do with the relevant Wikipedia policy. You can find further information about these concepts at this link. I can also guarantee that the deletion of this article hasn't got anything whatever to do with its political leanings, whatever they might be; this is a question entirely of Wikipedia policies. If you have further questions about those policies,feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste: talk 22:47, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Your note
I'm referring to the note you left on my talk page, which I reproduce here for your convenience: "Hello, You recently deleted a new page I authored on the news service which can be found at www.PEJ.org. It was located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEJ_News_-_Peace,_Earth_&_Justice_News Please send me the deleted article as the only one I can find is missing several citations. I can be reached at rycroft@SunshineCommunications.ca. I don't understand what better source of information could there be than the news service itself and the founder? (which in this case is myself) Why do Wiki policies consider unimportant first-person knowledge? (I am the founder of this news service.) Who, for example, could write a better article about walking on the moon than someone who had been there? The original speedy deletion notice made reference to the fact that the article had to be about something significant. Why is a news service not considered significant that serves 25,000 pages daily (much more than many local newspapers), has existed for over a dozen years, and is regularly cited by Google News and Wiki authors? How can this deletion be appealed? I am brand new to Wiki so please forgive any breach of protocols. Thank you, Alan Rycroft (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)"

Wikipedia has a strict policy of NOT relying on primary sources. In fact, as the founder of the website in question, you would probably be the worst person to create a Wikipedia article; it violates both our conflict of interest policy and our original research policy, and would likely violate our advertising policy. All Wikipedia articles, as you could find in our introductory material cited above, are based on reliable sources - arm's-length, third-party expert sources that state that the topic is notable in a verifiable way. Notability, reliable sources and verifiability are three absolutely essential requirements for every Wikipedia article. You can find out more about all of these concepts and policies by following the links in this paragraph and by reading WP:Why was my article deleted?. Regardless of how significant you think your efforts are, the kind of notability that's required here is only provided by arm's-length expert sources writing in publications like books, magazines and newspapers -- not usually wikis, forums or blogs. You can find more information about this by looking at the general notability guidelines. I strongly urge you to inform yourself much more thoroughly about Wikipedia policies before proceeding further. The references you provided were not "references" according to our definition; everyone believes your website exists. The references we need are ones that demonstrate that someone outside your organization who is expert in such matters thinks it is important, unusual, or better than its peers.

As to how you can "appeal" my decision to delete the article; you've pretty much just finished doing that. If you believe that I have made a mistake in how I've interpreted Wikipedia policy, you should be (a) familiar with precisely which policy has been misinterpreted, and (b) state it at deletion review in the manner outlined on the Deletion review page. My strong hint is that this process will not be of use to you. My advice at this point would be, since it's unlikely that you can cure your conflict of interest, that you use the page at Articles for creation and suggest that someone else creates this article. However, since you've requested it, I will retrieve the most recent version of this article and place it into what we call a sandbox page, where you can work to add reliable sources at slightly less of an urgent pace than is required of pages that are newly mounted into Wikipedia. In other words, you can read up on our policies, add reliable sources if you have them, and then remount the article by using the "move this page" function. You require neither my permission nor my assistance to recreate this article; however, if you don't add reliable sources, you'll find yourself in exactly the same position when the article is deleted by another administrator for identical reasons.

Incidentally, you don't need forgiveness; you haven't done anything in breaching our protocols that isn't done thousands of times a day. Administrators (like me) are here to help you and, although it may not seem to be the case, we are all interested in improving Wikipedia by adding useful articles to it that meet our standards. If you require assistance, there are a number of ways to obtain it, most of which are available via the welcome message at the top of this page. You should also be able to ask anyone whom you encounter here for help, including me; if you need further help after reading the policies to which I've referred you, feel free to leave me a note.

Immediately after finishing this note, I will retrieve the deleted copy and place it at User:Alan Rycroft/Sandbox; you can access that page by clicking on the link in this sentence. Best of luck with your efforts. Accounting4Taste: talk 01:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)