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Editing News #1—2018
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CANPLACE
Please note that while CANPLACE does indeed require the province name to be present in the body text following a city's name, it does not necessarily require the city and province to be pipetexted together into a single link. If a city a city's article is already located at an undisambiguated title, and the text already says Toronto, Ontario, CANPLACE does not require you to convert that into Toronto, Ontario instead. All CANPLACE means is that Ontario has to be present in the text — it does not impose a rule about how the city and province links need to be formatted. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 15:06, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * But putting two wlinks together like that is inappropriate under the MOS is it not? It makes two links look like one. Someone pointed that out to me. What do you think? Alaney2k (talk) 15:32, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * You also have the option of unlinking the province if you feel that strongly about it; there's no rule that actually requires the province's name to be linked at all, and in some cases the link may not actually be necessary at all (e.g. if the article has already linked the province name elsewhere). But there's no rule anywhere that requires the city and province names to be contained within a single link, even if you have to pipetext that into the link overtop an undisambiguated title. And at any rate, at my monitor resolution I can tell the difference between Toronto, Ontario and Toronto, Ontario, so I don't see how it inherently makes two links look like one. For some people, sure, it might — but that's definitely not universal, because I for one can distinguish two links in the separated format. Bearcat (talk) 15:38, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I believe you mean WP:SOB? It asks us to avoiding multi-links where it is not visible that there are multiple links until you hover it. Toronto, Ontario has a comma in between that is obviously not linked, so I doubt that it would lead to too much confusion. You are not required to link the region at all either per WP:OVERLINK, but piping is, IMO, always a bad idea (WP:NOPIPE). Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 15:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * So what do you think about the articles where the link is Calgary, AB, CAN ? I've been making that into Calgary, Alberta, Canada to try to reduce the overlinking and observe canplace. That was a standard for a while for the hockey project. Should I always use the redirect? ( Calgary, Alberta, Canada ) I've had editors not wanting a redirect there. Alaney2k (talk) 16:05, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * For U.S. and Canada, region is usually enough, especially when it has been established before hand that the topic is Canadian. I'd say either do Calgary, Alberta ; Calgary, Alberta or Calgary, Alberta. Calgary, Alberta is again a NOPIPEr. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 16:23, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * This is in the infobox, so I leave in Canada. I'd rather not make the reader have to click to realize that a place in a named province is in Canada. The point you were definite on was not to use the one I was using. :-) But using Calgary, Alberta as a model, seems to lead editors to use constructions like this: Red Deer, Alberta, so I guess I will go with the redir consistently. Then, we can be consistent for both the Red Deers and the Calgarys. Alaney2k (talk) 17:06, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * You say that as though Red Deer, Alberta is actually a problem. You may not like it, but there's no actual reason why it's inherently invalid to do that — there's no policy or guideline that forbids it, and the only argument against it is that some editors don't like it. Thing is, intentionally using the "City, Province" redirect in lieu of City, Province, just like forcepiping the province name into the city link, entirely defeats the purpose of our ever having moved the cities to undisambiguated titles in the first place — if we're going to do that, then what other reason do we have left to not just move all the undabbed cities back to "City, Province" titles across the board? Bearcat (talk) 20:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * It's not a question of me liking it or not. Would it not be wrong under NOPIPE? I am getting conflicting advice. Then you suggest linking as Calgary, Alberta, Canada in the infobox? The purpose of the wikilink there is to link to the birthplace, not every jurisdiction it is within, is it not? And Red Deer would be Red Deer, Alberta, Canada ? Alaney2k (talk) 21:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


 * If you don't like coding Red Deer, Alberta you can use the pipe trick to just code Red Deer, Alberta, Alberta and get the exact same result. Mathglot (talk) 09:33, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised this trick even works, but I don't think it is a good inclusion in a publicly-editable space, as it can confuse many people (especially those that never coded).  Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 10:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You kidding? The pipe trick is fantastic, specifically because it allows editors to link articles with parenthetical disambiguators without having to retype the actual name every link. (Remember, parentheticals are not part of the name of the subject, but added to give them a unique title as required by the software. The use of the comma convention for place names is just a variation in that that is seen in the real world.) Also note that when the pipe trick is employed, only the initial entry has just the pipe. The actual saved code, which the next editor would see if they edit by source, contains the pipes text. The person making the first edit enters Red Deer, Alberta, Alberta, but the next person to look at the code to make an edit (presuming they're not usuing visual editor) sees Red Deer, Alberta , and never even knows thenpipe trick was used in the first place. oknazevad (talk) 10:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't realize that it saved the proper term into the code as well, that's amazing! I wonder if there are more such secrets, hehe. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 14:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


 * You mention above that by using Calgary, Alberta leads people to using Red Deer, Alberta, Canada . But of course it does, there is no guideline against this, and in many infoboxes, including the hockey one for example doing it this way was the discussed outcome of how locations were to be displayed. We have been switching the hockey one from Calgary, AB, CAN to Calgary, Alberta, Canada slowly but noticed you have been combining links which will now have to be gone through as well. -DJSasso (talk) 11:53, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe I wasn't clear. It was a 'if you follow that logic, it leads to this' that leads to pipes. So it was a contradiction, IMO. I get contradictory advice all the time, BTW. Can you give me an example of the "combining links"? Am I being contradictory or wrong? Alaney2k (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd go with city/sovereign state for all Canadian, American & British articles, to match with the rest of the international community. But of course, it's not up to me. GoodDay (talk) 21:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The three on the list allow the same place names within the country. I don't think the others do. Alaney2k (talk) 17:13, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Access
Hello. Help upload photos to wikipedia and add to the post Maureen Wroblewitz. I'm the one to download this photo. Thanks you.116.102.53.78 (talk) 02:46, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Quiz (play)
12:02, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Bob Nicholson
I recently overhauled the Bob Nicholson (ice hockey) article. I'm wondering if you would be able to provide some constructive criticism for the article. If you could, please post at Talk:Bob Nicholson (ice hockey). Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 20:22, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

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"Fixing" links?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Adams_(composer)&curid=16518&diff=845873640&oldid=843995949 See WP:NOTBROKEN Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I get a half-dozen thanks for every one of your negative comments. I figure I am doing ok. The title of the paper is The New York Times. Therefore it is preferred per the cite you mentioned. That's what I figure. Alaney2k (talk) 19:26, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't mind altering the text "New York Times" to "The New York Times" within the context of a reference, but see MOS:THETITLE on when the title is used as a modifier. Inserting "The" in this context can make the text more awkward, it's not an improvement, and it's already covered by the WP:MOS. Nitpicking polish (talk) 20:50, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about that. Thanks for pointing that out. I am not the best grammarian. Alaney2k (talk) 20:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it is certainly ok to replace existing text like the New York Times with The New York Times, no? Alaney2k (talk) 20:59, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd say that it depends on whether the article "the" refers to the paper or to something else. Turning "The New York Times is a daily newspaper" into "The New York Times is a daily newspaper" seems harmless to me. Turning "The New York Times article on Monday..." into either "The New York Times article on Monday..." or "The The New York Times article on Monday..." makes the sentence more awkward, and seems like a good place to apply the exception in MOS:THETITLE. Nitpicking polish (talk) 01:48, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with Nitpicking polish. See my reversion of your change here: . Ericoides (talk) 14:24, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

NY Times
It looks like you have a script to replace various forms of New York Times with The New York Times. Please add an exclusion to prevent many times from matching ny times. See the end of your edit to Chronology of the universe. Regards, Tarl N. ( discuss ) 03:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 14:19, 14 August 2018 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 14:50, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * See also Christo and Jeanne-Claude and Camille Flammarion. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK
 * Thanks folks. I have fixed that. I did not have case sensitive turned on. Sorry about the mistakes. Alaney2k (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Another good check would be to change your search to the regular expression "(\s)NY Times" and replace it with "$1The New York Times" . The "\s" makes sure that the character before the "N" is a space, tab, or new line, and the $1 will insert the same character before the word "The". --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK
 * Thanks. I have not used the MS regex that much. Alaney2k (talk) 15:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, if you're using regex, you might try \W rather than \s - \W (note, capital W) will match any non-word character. That will allow "NY Times" (a common construct in citations), which would be excluded by \s (matches only whitespace). Regards, Tarl N. ( discuss ) 17:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, thanks! Alaney2k (talk) 17:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Removal of duplicate wikilinks, in different references
Hello! Why do you remove duplicate wikilinks when they are wikilinked in different reference tags? Isn't it fine to wikilink to the work in each reference, despite having appeared elsewhere in the article? Best regards, --Treetear (talk) 13:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a judgment call. I did not think they were helpful to the reader. They are basically extra links and close together. If the link to the paper was important, then it would be in the prose. E.g. A survey commissioned by The New York Times found ... But these are just basically sources linked to the paper, and it is a pretty well-known paper. The urls in the cites are what people care about. Alaney2k (talk) 14:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Dana Stubblefield
Could you please include the more recent info on his court case? He is out on bail in spite of a no bail charge due to further investigation y the defense.

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Proposal to split Economic_inequality
Hello, I would like to split Economic inequality. According to this link the article is 202 kB and WP:SIZESPLIT suggests an article be split after 40 kB. Also, on the top of the page is a banner that is two years old suggesting the article should be split.

Since I am new, I would like to build a consensus first, rather than WP:BRD. To that end, I put a post on Talk:Economic_inequality and am contacting everyone who has edited the page in the past month.

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Editing News #2—2018
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox NHL season
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Cara Morey et aliae
I appreciate your concern; WikiWomen has a list of articles such as those that might (and as of late, have been) coming up. I suggest you monitor here, as I do, and read through the list, and if there are any with the possibility of improvement or saving with reliable sources, you might jump in and give it a go, as I have. You probably would do far better on the sports figures than I would, as I'm quite ignorant of sports (but I'm fairly good with finding reliable sources). LovelyLillith (talk) 19:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

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Governor General duties
The Governor General office initiated a review of the organizations that it supports, which is still ongoing over a year later. As a result, the current Governor General has been going to a lot fewer events than the previous one. She even missed the Governor General's Medals in Architecture and the Governor General's History Awards ceremonies; Rideau Hall said the latter was due to scheduling conflicts. Official word is that the Governor General's schedule remains busy and so I don't believe she said anything about not having a lot to do. isaacl (talk) 16:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I really meant other than ceremonial duties, which apparently she does not like. Alaney2k (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there was a report that said she was trying to get involved in policy to an extent that is unusual for the Governor General. The truth is other than extraordinary situations requiring the office's reserve powers, the job is the ceremonial duties. isaacl (talk) 16:56, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Star Wars Last Jedi audience response


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Quinn Hughes
Hey Alaney2k, I hope all is well. I undid your addition to Quinn Hughes because he didn't sign a contract with the team, therefore, he isn't really a prospect with them. I actually had the same idea you did originally and made the same edit but it was removed by another user because he wasn't signed yet. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Did not see anything in the infobox docs to disallow that. An unwritten rule, I guess. Alaney2k (talk) 06:21, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Citation for Funimation's changes to Shin Godzilla's character names
You mentioned that needs a reference, but how would one go about citing the Shin Godzilla movie's English subtitles? Furthermore, at 37:20 there is a dossier that clearly spells Satomi Ishihara's character's name as "Kayoco". 24.71.174.179 (talk) 09:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * You could cite the DVD maybe. I think there is a citation template for that. Check out Template:citation. Alaney2k (talk) 14:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Marie Curtis for deletion
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Marie Curtis Beach
I see that you've done a lot of work on Marie Curtis Park. Do you think the Marie Curtis Beach article should be merged there? Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:13, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that should be a redir to the park article. That would make sense. Alaney2k (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm semi-retired from Wikipedia, or I would have already boldly merged them myself. I thought the existence of the beach article should be brought to your attention. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Godzilla talk page
@User talk:ThatIPGuy's opinion and vote should not be considered, he/she should be reported to the necessary parties because the user is manipulating votes, check here. ThatIPGuy deliberately added support votes to influence consensus to his/her favor. Armegon (talk) 15:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The first step would be pointing out the rules on their talk page. I don't know if I would go further than that. Alaney2k (talk) 15:14, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I left a little warning on the user's talk page. Figured the user is most likely new at being a Wiki editor. Armegon (talk) 15:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Alaney2k (talk) 16:21, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, he created sock puppets now. He's using them to further manipulate support for his edit. I checked the user contributions and those accounts have made no other contributions other than the G:KOTM talk page. On top of that, their writing styles are very identical. Coincidence? I think not. Armegon (talk) 19:37, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand people. Why create sock puppets for such an inconsequential thing? If Village Roadshow uses an alternate title in English markets, should we not add it somehow? I'll add it to the WT:Films page. I guess we should report it to the admins, it just seems an unnecessary headache. Alaney2k (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

hi, you're invited to an RfC discussion regarding Bruno Bettelheim article
As a past contributor to the article, you're invited to a Request for Comment (RfC) discussion on the article's lead sentence. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 22:45, 3 May 2019 (UTC)


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bruno_Bettelheim#rfc_7DDF8CC

Billy Boyd
Hi, I think you were the person who included Day's Corner, Newfoundland as his death place (as well as his death date previously). I'm wondering where or how you got this info as the NFLD. government has no record of his death (at any time). Any thoughts appreciated. Researchguy (talk) 18:56, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Not me (User:Marc87 I think). The article lists Day's Corner, - Prince Edward Island -, not Newfoundland, so yeah, you won't find anything in NFLD records.Alaney2k (talk) 19:10, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Billy Boyd II
I don't do this often, so apologies for the second message. I think you just changed the city of death to Baltimore. This is correct, but that note from the Globe and Mail lists the date of death incorrectly. Boyd died on November 15, which can be confirmed from an obit in the Baltimore Sun on November 18, 1940. Cheers.Researchguy (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I read that fast, as I was going to look for another reference. The G&M actually lists November 16 as day of death, though. Alaney2k (talk) 20:18, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Nov 15, for sure. There is also a small story on his death in the Baltimore Sun on November 16, 1940 p 7.Researchguy (talk) 20:28, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to that paper on newspapers.com. Please double and triple-check the wording on those articles before you change the date. We can still use the G&M reference for the location anyway. Alaney2k (talk) 20:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Editing News #1—July 2019
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Did you know?

Did you know that you can use the visual editor on a mobile device?

Every article has a pencil icon at the top. Tap on the pencil icon to start editing.

 Edit Cards 



This is what the new Edit Cards for editing links in the mobile visual editor look like. You can try the prototype here: 📲 Try Edit Cards.

Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

Are you willing to try a new way to add and change links?

If you are interested, we would value your input! You can try this new link tool in the mobile visual editor on a separate wiki.

Follow these instructions and share your experience:

📲 Try Edit Cards.

Recent releases
The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team has recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:


 * 1) Section editing
 * 2) * The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
 * 3) * The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
 * 4) Loading overlay
 * 5) * The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects
This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.


 * Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now.  Go here to see how: 📲Try Edit Cards.
 * Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
 * Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor?  We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
 * Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use.  The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

 * Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019.  They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space.  Talk to them about how editing can be improved.
 * Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more
The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

PPelberg (WMF) (talk) and Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Submissions for The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada
The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada is approaching its third anniversary. You are receiving this message because you participated in previous years of the challenge but have not yet submitted any article improvements for this year. Please consider submitting any Canada-related articles you have created or improved, ensuring that all submissions are sourced with formatted citations and have no unsourced claims. Barnstars will be awarded to participating editors in November.

You may use the above button to submit entries, or go the challenge page at WP:CAN10K for more information. Thank-you, and please spread the word to those you know who might be interested in joining this effort to improve the quality of Canada-related articles.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of Reidgreg (talk) and WP:CAN10K, 21:03, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Editing News #2 – Mobile editing and talk pages – October 2019
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Inside this newsletter, the Editing team talks about their work on the mobile visual editor, on the new talk pages project, and at Wikimania 2019.

Help
What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team would value your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.

Talk Pages
The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.

The team needs and wants your help at this early stage. They are starting to develop the first idea. Please add your name to the "Getting involved" section of the project page, if you would like to hear about opportunities to participate.

Mobile visual editor
The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

Edit Cards



 * On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
 * There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
 * Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.

Toolbar



 * In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
 * One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
 * New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
 * Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
 * Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania
The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

 * Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes.  The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
 * Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
 * Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: The Editing team hopes to share results in November.  This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations.  The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.

– PPelberg (WMF) (talk) & Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

SNC-Lavalin affair
Thank you for your recent edits in the lead. They appear to be an improvement and to fairly summarize the report. For the record, I did raise the citation needed concerns on the talk page first. Anyway, thanks for making them.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Hi, Alaney2k. I hope you don't mind, but I closed that discussion at Talk:Star Wars: The Last Jedi because it was from a sockpuppet account that is now indefinitely banned. Feel free to undo that if you think it is a worthwhile discussion to have open. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 03:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. No problem. I was just curious. Alaney2k (talk) 05:19, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
Hello,

Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org, so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.

If you have any questions, please let us know at google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org.

Thank you!

--User:Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

There's so much significant stuff to be done on Wikipedia
I notice you have recently been making a number of edits to fix citations by inserting the definite article in front of newspaper names which formally start with the definite article. I suggest that this isn't a very useful activity, especially given that the number of signifcant things in need of fixing is so numerous.

In many contexts, ignoring or discarding a leading "article" is standard, so I suppose I'm arguing that both are acceptable. Admittedly, it's nice to have some sense of standardization. OTOH, English WP generally emphasizes consistency within an article rather than across WP.

Sure, making these changes is very easy, but there are also other costs associated with a change. In any case, I think everybody is better off if there are just left alone. Fabrickator (talk) 20:40, 21 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I've had several dozen thanks for tidying these up. I guess you and they disagree. It's only a small part of what I do on Wikipedia. Alaney2k (talk) 20:44, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Coastal-gaslink-map.png
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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 03:28, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Coastal GasLink Pipeline
Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/world/americas/british-columbia-pipeline-wetsuweten.html, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Larry Thibeault
Hi, I believe you edited this entry and included his date of death. If so, can you tell me your source for this info? I'm trying to confirm that date and find out more about this NHL player. Thanks.Researchguy (talk) 18:24, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It was Connormah who got the death date in that article. And both him and Marc87 (since I notice you have asked him for dates in the past) I believe get their dates from the Society for International Hockey Reasearch. -DJSasso (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. They don't respond to my requests, and I'm just trying to confirm dates and places as there are plenty of errors on wiki for NHLers in general. Oh well, I'll keep looking. Cheers.Researchguy (talk) 19:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)


 * (Off sick yesterday) The death date does correspond to the SIHR listing for Thibeault. Place of birth is Chartrand Corner, Ontario, Canada. The notes for the player:

Oct. 18, 1944	 	Traded by Buffalo (AHL) to Detroit for cash.

Traded to Buffalo (AHL) by Detroit for cash, October 17, 1945

Loaned to Montreal by Buffalo (AHL) for the loan of Wilf Field, Kenny Mosdell and Frank Eddolls, October 29, 1945

Returned to Buffalo (AHL) from Montreal and requested that his amateur status be reinstated, November 06, 1945

Signed as a free agent by Hull (QSHL), November, 1945

Among leaders: 1938-39 Sixth-points; 42-43 Second

Became a Quebec Provincial Police officer in Val D'Or, Quebec, in the late 1950s.

SIHR colleague Helen Edwards found through genealogy that LORRAIN LAWRENCE THBEAULT is the full, complete name --- Tony Medici - September 1,2015

- Not much else. Started play with Cornwall in senior hockey 36-37 and played until 51-52 in the ECSHL. Alaney2k (talk) 18:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the details. Again, although the SIHR site is great, by virtue of it being so big it also has plenty of errors. I am always sceptical of a date of death without a place--surely one should lead to the other 99% of the time? Do you do a lot of research on hockey players? There are a handful of others whose death dates and places I'm trying to confirm, if you're able to help. If not, no worries & thanks again for this.Researchguy (talk) 19:00, 7 February 2020 (UTC)


 * We have to rely on what we can find for sources. It's an ongoing process and I find errors in lots of sources that are considered reliable. I've corrected the NHL Guide, the Canadian Encyclopedia and other sources. For a lot of players such as Thibeault, that is career minor leaguers, they just fade away and it is difficult to get much information, without actually going to the town(s) they lived in or hoping they write a memoir or something. Sometimes the info comes out in reminiscences of other persons. I might be able to find info if you pass me some names. Alaney2k (talk) 19:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I'm trying to find obits or death notices for all deceased players because that's the only way to confirm this info and get it correct. Okay, let me give you three names I'm having trouble with: Roger Jenkins (died May 4, 1994), Rollie Paulhus (d. December 30, 1964), snd Bill Carse (d. October 31, 2000). I'd like to find out their city of death, but failing that where they are buried, the funeral home that handled their service, family members still alive, anything that might lead to corroborating those dates of death. Any help, leads, suggestions much appreciated. p.s. Carse did NOT die in Hawaii as some sources say. Cheers.Researchguy (talk) 16:18, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Coastal GasLink Pipeline
First of all, I want to thank you for keeping up the updates. History will recognise this as be a key time for indigenous relations in Canada. However, I have had to come to your talk page because you have not once come to the article talk page.

Specifically, I wonder why you keep forcing a pov direction without once seeking consensus on the talk page. Your writing continually buries, dismisses, or even erases the strong impacts to others not personally involved in the protests as a result of the rail blockades. You have not once bothered to update layoffs directly related to pipeline protests, which now affect more than a thousand people. You keep deleting large sections of text as though there were only a single person in favour of the pipeline route, which we both know is not true, even among First Nations. Essentially, you are writing and acting as though your opinion were the only valid one ... even though it does not actually reflect the reality accurately.

You are also writing the article as a newspaper article rather than as an encyclopaedic article. The difference is the micro focus vs the macro focus and the stronger requirement for neutrality in an encyclopaedia. Please note that I am not saying that any given encyclopaedia is absolutely neutral, but they do at least try. Newspapers are much more aware of how to tightly frame information to support one side or another. The more micro the view, the easier it is to frame information to support a given ism. In writing an encyclopaedic article, we should be trying for neutrality, in part by using as broad a frame as possible.

I don't know if you are actively involved in the cause, but you should know that you are definitely coming across that way. As with you and your writing here, the question people are asking about the pipeline protests is whether anything other than a complete veto is acceptable to the protesters -- regardless of what others, including multiple other First Nations, consider best for their own communities. If it is veto or nothing, then how is that any better than the basis for the protests? You are certainly not helping the cause by rejecting the very consultation with involved others which the protests are claiming the right to on the national stage.

This would be where most WP members would start talking about taking a conflict to arbitration. I am not most members. Still, you of all people (as a "mithril-level grandmaster editor") should be aware that continually forcing edits without talk page consultation is against WP policy -- which was there before either you or I were members. (*laugh* Don't go solely by my current IP to guess how long I was around on WP, any more than we would go by the Indian Act to guess whether a given person validly identifies as native. Neither of us gets to claim sovereignty *here*.)

I probably won't get back to you or the article before Monday. Disclaimer - I will be a passenger on a newly-running train for a significant part of that time. I go fully offline during such times. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 06:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Rob Ford changes from 2013
I was reading Rob Ford page and found this in it: "It was during the 2001 budget deliberations that Ford made a reputation for passionate speeches. The City was facing a several hundred million budget shortfall, enough to require a 32% tax increase, after services were downloaded from the Government of Ontario."

The whole paragraph was inserted by you as a change and that was part of it. Because i don't know canadian politics, i wanted to question this before i make any changes. First: 32% tax increase sounds like a lot? Perhaps it was relative to the current tax percentage? Furthermore, english isn't my native language so "services were downloaded from the Government of Ontario" sounds off, is word downloaded used in that manner? I just don't understand the meaning at all, does it mean purchasing services from the government?

Muhvi 18:47, 1 March 2020 (UTC+2)


 * I will take a look into it. It does need to be rewritten. Alaney2k (talk) 01:58, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

New York Times
I don't dispute the name of the publication, but your (automated?) changes have a negative impact on readability, particularly when they produce the phrase "a The." Nobody except the Times is responsible for policing the Times' trademark. Please reconsider. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Wiki edits
So, I’m new to this, and I was wondering if I could have some help. It’s probably right under my nose but is there a list of rules or something I can read? I made an edit to an article but it got removed because it was over a word count I didn’t know existed. And, is there any way to extend that limit? I didn’t think the article I wrote was that long and I have to leave out a lot of detail to get it under the limit. Thanks in advance!!! GodzillaExpert100 (talk) 04:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You are not the only one to struggle with the limit of 700 words. I have been in your position, going back and forth in editing. The standard is WP:FILMPLOT and it is firm. It's not that important to be very detailed in a plot. Try to keep that in mind. Don't let it discourage you, try to make it a writing challenge. Other article standards can be found at WP:MOS, the manual of style. Alaney2k (talk) 13:06, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

@Alaney2k: Thanks for the advice! I’m sorry you had to correct the post twice, the first time I didn’t realize why it changed. I mainly use the mobile website, is there a word count somewhere I can check so I know how long what I wrote is without having to count the words? Thanks again for your help and patience! GodzillaExpert100 (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I just cut and paste the preview text (not the edit box) to wordcounter.net and use that. We talk quite a bit about the Godzilla franchise amongst us editors. Armegon is a good one to get advice from. Alaney2k (talk) 17:33, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks again! GodzillaExpert100 (talk) 23:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

New York Times
I don't dispute the name of the publication, but your (automated?) changes have a negative impact on readability, particularly when they produce the phrase "a The." Nobody except the Times is responsible for policing the Times' trademark. Please reconsider. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Spot of a mistake that's all. Another user has thanked me for a similar edit (without error of course). Alaney2k (talk) 19:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Just an anecdote: I once had a habit of hitting random articles and adding an extra space above the stub tag per WP:STUBSPACING. But it annoyed people, so I let it go. Brycehughes (talk) 22:23, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Coastal GasLink Pipeline 2
My sincere aplogies and thank you very much for the organization and structure! BrodyKRS (talk) 20:45, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I had to look at your previous edits to understand. Believe me I am trying to better the articles according to Wikipedia principles and procedures. I will happily answer any questions on my edits. I believe what's relevant to you and me was that I reduced duplication, (there was lots) and moved some text around for organization. No hard feelings I hope. Alaney2k (talk) 21:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

All of the edits are completley understandable, I just opened the doc and saw the removal of the impact on the Wet'suwet'en People and thought someone was mad that I posted the truth. Then I realized you had just changed the page around and made it better. I am very happy to see someone else looking at both sides of the issue and posting the truth! BrodyKRS (talk) 01:39, 7 March 2020 (UTC)