User talk:Alanrhobson

Orkney
Hi and thanks for your interest in Orkney. I have reverted your 3 edits for now but intend to re-install some elements of them asap. Here are the issues:
 * Please don't amend imperial to metric or vice versa on article pages if there is a pre-existing system in place without discussing this on the talk page and obtaining consensus first.
 * You have added some interesting information about the Jacobite era, but the citations are not complete, or entirely consistent with the existing system. As it is a Good article I'd like to sort this out. I will replace the text, perhaps in a slightly amended fashion and fix the detailed references, but I don't have the books themselves. If you could provide a full citation in the "General References" section I'd appreciate it. If you need any help just leave a note here or on my own talk page. Ben   Mac  Dui  11:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Ben Macdui:

Your moniker is named after an excellent mountain! (which I have climbed).

Really disappointed, though, that you removed my Orkney additions after all my hard work putting them on. They added valuable info the existing article. It is not clear why you felt you had the right to remove them, unless you know even more about Jacobites in Orkney than I do.

As for the referencing, I have a PhD in History, so I think I am able to reference correctly. All my references give title, author, date and page number(s).

Re miles/km, nearly everyone (99% or so in my experience) in Britain (Scotland and England) uses miles not km. Miles are also the British legal measurement, mentioned in all statutes relating to distance. Not sure, therefore, why anyone would object to the switch.


 * 1) I did not remove your Orkney additions. I replaced them in a more suitable format. I left a space in the refs section for you to add the book names, which you have not yet done. Sure, I can probably find them on Amazon, but the ball is in your court.


 * 2) I have removed your additions form Outer Hebrides because if you can't be bothered to understand how to edit Good Articles correctly I am not sure why I should expected to provide corrections. I'd be happy to help in re-entering them if you need assistance.


 * 3) Your PhD in history is neither here nor there. We have an in-house Manual of Style (aka MOS). It is an irritating and complex beast which, like much of our content, changes all the time. That isn't a reason to ignore it on articles that meet certain standards. (you are much more likely to get away with inconsistencies on pages that lack decent content anyway - not that you should, but that's the way things are). For good standard articles you should follow the existing article style (e.g. in this case provide a publisher and publication location and ideally an ISBN).


 * 4) Whether you or I like it or not, anyone (Prof of History or 12 year old wannabe) have the right to add or remove anything. What stays is ideally arrived at by consensus. This can be a clumsy process too, but so it goes.


 * 5) I don't have any real issue with the content you have added as such - it seems authoritative and well-researched. Its the style that needs improving.


 * 6) Measurements can be a surprisingly contentious issue. You may have a view on land distances (and I don't disagree with the general point you make) but for a great deal else in physical geography the metric style is used by sources - especially land areas, issues relating to nature conservation, geology  etc. The convert template always allows both to be seen so the MOS issue is consistency - please don't make the style inconsistent, whatever your personal views.


 * I hope you will take the above in a good spirit - we need more authors who provide quality content and I very much welcome that. (We recently lost another PhD in history who is much missed by me). The project is all about collaboration and I hope that if you understand what I perceive to be my needs better we will find ways to improve things in a constructive way. In a nutshell all I am saying is "please be collaborative and understand the manual of style". Best wishes, Ben   Mac  Dui  10:13, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Ben Macdui,

Thanks for your swift reply.

1) I see you have indeed kept my Orkney additions, but you have made some changes, which is frustrating. For example, I deliberately avoided using the term 'rebellion' because it is a loaded term - it implies that the Government had the legitimate right of rule, which of course the Jacobites disputed (to them, it was the Hanoverians who were the usurpers and rebels). Therefore, it isn't very helpful that you have changed my 'rising' to 'rebellion', to give just one example.
 * Fair enough. I don't share this view but you are at liberty to change it back (although you should also read WP:3RR).

2) You seem to have made my references re Orkney worse by removing the book titles. I had carefully put them in, and in italics, so I am unlcear why you took them out again.
 * Its because they are in the wrong place. Pls add the details to the general references sub-section at the foot of the page.

3) I am unclear why you've removed my Outer Hebrides bits. You don't explain why they are incorrectly edited. The onscreen message said it had been done correctly (it soon lets me know if I've done something wrong!).
 * See above. The referencing is inconsistent with the style of the rest of the article per Orkney.

4) I'm of course aware (your point 4) that anyone is able to remove anything they like. However, that doesn't mean that they should do. I have been visiting and editing Wikipedia since 2006 (mostly anonymously, before I decided to formally join and be attributable last month) and I have hardly ever removed something. I normally just add things where they have been left out by the author.
 * OK

5) The problem with the convert template is that it gives km as the main amd only has miles in brackets afterwards, as if as an afterthought. However, in the interests of harmony I won't change any further dual measurements - although if I give measurements myself it will definitely be just in miles.
 * At the risk of causing a disadvantage to my own position, that's not how it works - it just depends on the order of parameters.
 * 10 km gives 10 km, but 10 mi gives 10 mi.

6) Out of interest, did the PhD person Wiki recently lost (whom you said you much missed) leave bcause they were fed up with people altering their input, or for a non-Wiki related reason?
 * Not really, as mostly they tended to edit in more obscure areas of history where there was (as far as I know) less contention. I don't really know but there were 2 Arbcom cases they were involved in that may not have provided the result they were hoping for. Perhaps they got married and have better things to do. Dunno really.

7) Finally, I still have much to learn about aspects of Wikipedia. For example, given these exchanges are on my usertalk page (as you suggested), how do you know when I have replied? I know that one can put the setting to know when a contribution has been altered, but I didn't know that it could be done here too.
 * Your user talk page is on my watchlist - all I have to do is click on the 'watch' button at the top of the page and I get a list of changes just as per article space from the 'watchlist' tab at the very top of the page. QED Ben   Mac  Dui  08:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Regards

Alan

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Davey - I edited the entry because the info on it was incorrect. Joseph Andrews was not a German film, it was British; nor was it a telefilm. It was made for, and released in, cinemas. Even a cursory glance at sources such as IMDB and Halliwell's Film Guide confirm this. Therefore the entry was also wrong to say that Dotrice's only adult film was 'The Thirty Nine Steps'.

Meantime, please be aware that, in addition to removing sourced data, your edit suggested that Joseph Andrews was a feature film. It was a German television film. Cheers! &mdash; ATinySliver &#47; ATalkPage 22:30, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I edited the entry because the info on it was incorrect. Joseph Andrews was not a German film, it was British; nor was it a telefilm. It was made for, and released in, cinemas. Even a cursory glance at sources such as IMDB and Halliwell's Film Guide confirm this. Therefore the entry was also wrong to say that Dotrice's only adult film was 'The Thirty Nine Steps'.

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