User talk:Alansohn/Archive 11

A comment
Alansohn, I agree that your arguments are valid. However, it was not a good idea to post complaints at the ANI. Doing so you invite sanctions against yourself. ANI is not a good place to resolve any problems or receive an advice. Better use other forums. Best wishes,Biophys (talk) 02:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The user in question is edit warring. The way this game appears to be played, anywhere I go I invite sanctions against myself. What do you think is the appropriate forum that might have some possibility of addressing the issue? Alansohn (talk) 02:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I do suggest that you stop discussion at WP:ANI immediately, simply because it does not help. I get a block for doing just that. On another occasion, I asked ANI to reconsider a long block for a very good content editor who had a kind of an   emotional breakdown at some point. Instead they blocked this user indefinitely. What options do you have? Talk with other individual users including administrators about the problem, file an RfC about the user you complain about, use RS or BLP noticeboards, try mediation, or take a wikibreak. If you wish, I can sometimes visit pages you are editing and look what is going on...Biophys (talk) 22:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestions. I agree that far too often the process does NOT work. Alansohn (talk) 22:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Found this was made a few days ago..
Gloucester Township Technical High School (thought you might like to know). -Jrcla2 (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
Blocked for breaching arbcom ruling The Arbitration Committee imposed restrictions on your ability to edit Wikipedia due to past behaviour on your part. Notwithstanding this ruling, you have continued to engage in prohibited editing. As a result you have been blocked from editing Wikipedia for 31 hours. The restrictions placed on you by the Arbitration Committee were harassment, trolling, and bad faith at, , , , ,. If you continue to breach this arbcom ruling you will be subject to a longer block or possibly a ban.  MBisanz  talk 03:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is all a game. That an admin who has injected himself into this issue can now choose to call any question of his actions "harassment, trolling, and bad faith" in clear conflict of interest is further demonstration of the problems we face on Wikipedia. Alansohn (talk) 03:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I stand behind every single one of the edits used as an excuse for this invalid action. I will pursue administrative actions after this illegitimate ban has ended. Alansohn (talk) 03:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If anyone wants to see what will happen to other editors under "special enforcement", just take a look here. User:MBisanz claims of defamation are completely and totally unsupported and unproven. Yet any question of the action are turned into "harassment, trolling, and bad faith". George Orwell where are you? Alansohn (talk) 04:04, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What User:MBisanz has used to justify a claim of WP:BLP/WP:LIBEL is "Saying his remarks were 'anti-Vietnamese remarks' when none of the sources use that wording is defamatory to his reputation." (this diff) The only problem is that these remarks were not in any of the text added to the article. It may violate WP:SYN -- even if the conclusion is patently obvious to any reasonable person reading the article -- but it violates neither WP:BLP nor WP:LIBEL. Just wait till admins have "special enforcement" in their arsenal... Alansohn (talk) 05:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * User:MBisanz admits "Look, lets call if water under a bridge, just double check your sources when adding them and I'll make it a point not to comment on your actions in the future, deal?" (this diff) and strikes out the "defamation" warning (this two-edit diff). The block remains. Wikipedia justice at work. Alansohn (talk) 06:39, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For those interested in a more detailed, wordier reason for this block, feel free to refer to .  MBisanz  talk 08:49, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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Offer
Alansohn, hi, I noticed that your case was being discussed at Arbitration Enforcement. I would like to offer, that I would be willing to lift your block, if you would be willing to give your word that you would be willing to moderate your behavior, in accordance with the ArbCom restrictions. If this is acceptable to you, please state your understanding of the restrictions in your own words? Thanks, Elonka 19:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reaching out. In light of recent experience and results, I will curtail my participation in talk and other discussion pages, which will certainly reduce the potential for any perception of being "uncivil", and focus even more on the task of building an encyclopedia. Where there is any content conflict in articles, I will bring the matters to the various mediation mechanisms available, to reach fair and objective resolution of these matters, and moderate any comments about individuals and their motivations. Your suggested personal involvement at George Thomas Coker, and a thorough review and resolution of the issues raised there, will go a long way to demonstrating a means for dealing with other content disputes. Alansohn (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your thoughtful reply. :) One other thing I would request.  I noticed at the BLP page that you were bringing up an old dispute, with diffs from several months ago.  As part of your return to editing, would you be willing to try and wipe the slate clean, towards a fresh start both for yourself, and also those who you felt had wronged you in the past?  I think it would make everything much simpler to deal with, from here towards the future.  If there are new issues, or previous problems return, then you would still definitely be welcome to pursue the normal avenues of Wikipedia dispute resolution.  Would that be acceptable?  Thanks, Elonka 22:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You had already offered to intervene on the very current and very much unresolved issues at George Thomas Coker, which should hopefully lead to a conclusion on that issue. User:Relvse's decision to recuse himself from participation will also help in that matter. User:RedSpruce had been continuing with new wholesale reverts over the past few weeks, which he has acknowledged, again leading to a possible conclusion there. After much painful effort, the Dane Rauschenberg, has already reached a reasonably satisfactory conclusion. I'm not sure what other "old" disputes you could be referring to. Alansohn (talk) 23:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am unblocking this user because, from the responses, it seems clear that the point has been made. I am sure that Alansohn realises that this is the time for a fresh start all round and that, in future, he will use dispute resolution procedures. If he fails so to do then in the event of a future infraction of policies a lengthier ban will follow. TerriersFan (talk) 00:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your autoblock removal request, I've found and released two (since you're currently unblocked, this seems uncontroversial either way). Try now? – Luna Santin  (talk) 01:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

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ANI threads
Alansohn, please stop starting new ANI threads. The purpose of starting such a thread is to get an admin's attention. Well, you've got an admin's attention. Just starting new threads at this point, has the appearance of forum-shopping, and just makes my job harder. :/ --Elonka 06:18, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Forum shopping means going to to different places to seek justice for the same matter. Old violations have failed to get the attention of admins. New violations have occurred, and have been reported to the appropriate place at WP:ANI. If the issue is being addressed -- and even more so, if appropriate actions are taken by the user in question to stop the pattern of abuse -- there will be no reason for future reports. Alansohn (talk) 11:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Talkpage etiquette
Alansohn, can you also please move all these stubs off your talkpage? It makes following (or even finding) threads very tiring. See also above about "making my job harder". --Elonka 06:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm still catching up and removing these stubs from the talk page. Alansohn (talk) 11:51, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be helpful if you could move all of the non-discussion-related matters to a subpage, while you are getting caught up. If you are not sure how to do this, I could do it for you. --Elonka 15:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that makes the page a lot easier to use. :)  By the way, since the page is getting kind of long (it's around 100K, and some browsers start having trouble with anything over 32K), would you like me to set up an archive bot for you? That would automatically archive threads older than a certain date (30 days or whatever you chose), and then you would haven't to worry about it anymore. :) --Elonka 16:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have been archiving quarterly, and we're approaching the end of the quarter. That will temporarily solve the problem within the next ten days, but an automated archive is probably not a bad idea. Alansohn (talk) 16:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I went ahead and set one up with a 30-day (30d) cutoff, though you are welcome to adjust it to something else if you would like. It will probably kick in within the next 24 hours or so, and then recheck your page once a day and archive as needed.  I told it to start archiving into /Archive 10, after which it will continue archiving until the archive page reaches a size of 75K, and then it will automatically move on to the next page in sequence.  I could also set up an automated "archive box" for the top of your page, but they are pretty basic at this point (just numbers, no dates), so it's probably better to stick with the format that you've got now, and then just manually update it as each new page is created.  Up to you though!  If you want to see what an automatic archive box would look like, add  to your page and preview (or check the top of my own talkpage, since that's what I use).  Let me know if you have any questions, Elonka 17:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Elonka, thanks for taking the time to set up the archive, as well as for taking the time to look into the various outstanding issues. It's much appreciated. Alansohn (talk) 17:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Happy to be of service! If there's anything else I can help with, please let me know.  :) --Elonka 17:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Typo
Hiya, I very much liked your tone at User talk:Warriorfan101, thanks for abiding by WP:BITE. :)  Just as a minor point though, I think you meant to say "doesn't" instead of "does".  I didn't want to change your post for you, but did want to let you know. --Elonka 18:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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I misread the guideline. I am removing the templates now Wood Thrush (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Defunct Municipalities in New Jersey
First I'd like to thank you for getting Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )'s attention regarding the Van Nest - Weston Burial Ground in Manville. He wasn't responding to me.

Secondly, you created a category I appreciate called Defunct Municipalites of New Jersey. A user by the name of NE2 has created an array of categories entitled Former ____ of New Jersey. The blank can be filled in with cities, towns, townships, and villages. All of these categories are included in the Defunct Municipalities category you created. Yet, there are several problems. Most of the municpalities placed in the varying categories are not defunct, but have simply been renamed (from town to city or from borough to town, etc.) Moreover, truly defunct municipalites also appear in these new category pages, rather than as being truly defunct.

For example, East Millstone, a defunct municipality, is listed as being a "former town," alongside Flemington, a municipality which renamed its official title from town to borough. I find these categories to be highly problematic. I told NE2 about this, but he hasn't responded. I think he acted in good faith, but I see some problems here. I'm telling you because you created the initial defunct municipalities page.

Uh, is there some official Wikipedia process to create a discussion about rectifying the problem? What are your thoughts? 98.221.133.96 (talk) 17:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Why won't you discuss the high property taxes of Teaneck?
I inserted it - you removed it.

Moreover, I inserted a very basic, fundamental fact that the Town would not like published but is true - that is, the Town does NOT supply garbage removal service - a core municipal government role - yet Teaneck though charging incredibly high property taxes doesn't offer this basic service.

Why would you omit this truth unless you're literally not abiding by the reality that wikipedia is by the people for the people for this very purpose - to reveal the truth of situations that the power elite would rather have hidden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.237.166 (talk) 02:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion
Hi, I had an idea, which you are welcome to ignore, but I think it might help things move along a bit more smoothly at the Coker article. I know that you feel that you have a strong case on adding more information about the Hearts & Minds documentary, and you are absolutely correct that the information is well-sourced, and worthy of being included in the Wikipedia article, once we figure out the proper proportion. However, I've noticed that your main focus on the article, in the several months that you've been working on it, is on including that one bit of information, and little else. So, my suggestion is this: You seem to be a good researcher and a good writer...  Would you be willing to spend some time trying to expand other sections of the article as well? If you were to expand non-controversial information about his military career, his medals, and so forth, it would help portray you as an editor who was more interested in improving the article as a whole (rather than just that one section), and I think that it would help decrease tension on the talkpage. Also, once other sections of the article were more fleshed out, it would be easier to expand the H&M section. For example, with enough extra information, there could easily be sections on "Military career", "Life as a POW", "Homecoming", "After Vietnam", etc.  Just thought I'd toss that out there as a suggestion, Elonka 03:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My only interest in the article was that he had lived in New Jersey and I would have never touched the article again if I hadn't seen a link to a movie removed. I researched the film and reinserted it with one of the sources I had found, just trying to be a good editor adding a needed source. Your suggestion is probably a worthwhile idea that I would have considered months ago if I had not been made to feel quite so unwelcome at the article. I thank you again for reaching out and will certainly consider the proposal. Alansohn (talk) 03:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As I was scanning through sources, it looked like there was some press about him in Linden. So even if you just added information from that, I think it would help a lot. :) --Elonka 04:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My initial edit to the article was about his background in Linden. I wll take alook at the article to see of there is anything I could expand upon. Alansohn (talk) 04:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Why did you remove this from the Marlboro NJ Article
This is all 100% factual. It is in the news and merely states fact. Kindly explain why you removed this.

Due to a court ruling in NJ, All towns are required to accept low income housing. The willingness of Property Owners of the towns to accept this housing is not considered. +   + Rich towns such as Marlboro have in the past been able to pay other towns to build the required housing. Recent legistation being passed by the NJ assembly ( June 16, 2008 ) would outlaw this practice. +   + As a result, Marlboro will be forced to build 1000 low income housing units, despite widespread disapproval of the taxpayers of Marlboro. Many anticipate a rise in crime in the township as a result. JohnGalt65 (talk) 15:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Haddon Twp. Air Force
RE: this

There hadn't been a plane in that hangar since at least 1987, and the hangar was torn down before 1992. I know, because I used to sneak into it because I liked abandoned buildings. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Bare spot is where the hangar used to be.- CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Dunno, it was just there... busted up fence, no one ever went there except kids from the high school to play hookie and hide from the cops. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

New Brunswick, New Jersey
I quick failed New Brunswick, New Jersey for GA status due to the presence of maintenance templates, as well as several unsourced sections. You can find more info on the review. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hotchkiss School
I moved "The Hotchkiss School" to "Hotchkiss School" again. Per Wikipedia's naming conventions, that's how the article should be titled. Despite the fact that Hotchkiss may like to refer to itself as "The Hotchkiss School," it's not a proper noun. This page also provides some guidance on this rationale. Cheers! Esrever (klaT) 05:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Thanks for the message! Esrever (klaT) 05:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Famous First Facts
I see you have recently started an article on Famous First Facts. Apparently you have a copy on hand? The 2000 version I borrowed from the library the other day shows in item 2287 (page 109) that Columbus used Zacuto's table to predict an eclipse. Does it show also in your copy as such. There is a discussion on the Reference Desk/Humanities currently going on about this. I don't have a copy of Samuel Eliot Morison's Christopher Columbus, Mariner (1955) so can not verify the current reference that it was the Ephemeris of the German astronomer Regiomontanus. All I know is that I have just found a web site that says the same as Famous First Facts. What is your take on this? --Doug talk 22:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Mercer, not Morris for 12th Congressional District
Thanks for your message. There is one more correction. Mercer should replace Morris, per the cite on Holt's website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.102.157 (talk) 17:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I already made the change and then told you about it. There is no problem now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.102.157 (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Communities in New Jersey
As you continue creating NJ community articles, you might find this page useful: a list of all redlinked New Jersey communities with ZIP Codes. Nyttend (talk) 11:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

NJ schools
I just noticed your List of school districts in New Jersey, excellent work. I have been working on the New Jersey and New York City mayors again. Its good we copied the Newark, New Jersey list of mayors, the link no longer works. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Coker
It looks like there was a flurry of activity at the talkpage of the Coker article, as well as at different users' talkpages. It seems to have died down now, which is good. In the future, it's probably best to avoid anything that might be construed as edit-warring at the talkpage. If other editors are doing it, just let them duke it out, and I'll handle things. If you stay out, it'll help avoid any misunderstandings, especially because of your ArbCom restrictions. Thanks, Elonka 19:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I should never have stepped into the Dlatbot/Dreadstar battle, and after reviewing the back and forth there I can understand why tensions were flaring. I will probably reduce my time on the talk page and focus on filling in holes in the article with some much-needed sources. Alansohn (talk) 19:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Chatham, Chatham Township, and The Chathams
I intend to sort out the Wikipedia confusion about Chatham and Chatham Township and to continue to feature their shared school and library systems separately by changing the titles to two of the related articles. The lack of clarity in our entries is confusing for our readers and I believe there is a simple fix.

The article now called Chatham, New Jersey should be about just that -- and the article about the shared school system and the library services being extended to Chatham Township should be changed to The Chathams. The Chatham Twonship article does not require any changes.

I have begun making edits to enable this change and to eliminate the confusion created in Wikipedia on the topics. Since you are a consistent contributor to the articles, knowing the objective of my edits should allay concern about the steps taken to complete the transition. No one calls Chatham, "Chatham Borough" and it never appears on maps or such as a name for the town. When the township is discussed it is as "Chatham Township", which is its name and which always appears on maps and such.

The use of borough, when related to Chatham is a discussion of its current governmental form -- not of the place. Chatham has a long history and has had several forms of government since 1710.

Chatham Township is governed as a township and it has never had any other form of government.

The government forms are well differentiated in other articles and I believe that there is no need to create such confusion to readers by emphasizing an issue that is discussed at length elsewhere.

Switching the title of Chatham, New Jersey -- back -- to the town, as it had been once, seems the only logical action to work toward. Replacing the title to the newer article about the two shared services to, "The Chathams", a name that is reflective of their --shared-- services and which was created by the two communities themselves to identify the combined services.

This will have to be made carefully to make all of the corrections to links, but it will be well worth the effort to eliminate the confusion to our readers.

Please discuss this with me if you have strong opinions against this, because I believe that your edits are valuable and we should be able to achieve consensus that benefits Wikipedia. 83d40m (talk) 13:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

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I've done a lot of work on virtually every article for each of New Jersey's 566 municipalities. Most articles are straightforward in terms of title and content. But there are a few oddballs, and it's not just their existence but their solution that is problematic. Should "Township" be included in titles of municipalities that rarely use the term in common use, as I just saw suggested for Springfield Township, Union County, New Jersey, which does not commonly use "Township", whereas Springfield Township, Burlington County, New Jersey. There are many borough/township pairs (plus a few non-boroughs), and the question of how to distinguish between the two individual municipalities is often a challenge. For a mythical place called "Foo", we often have pairs of "Foo, New Jersey" and "Foo Township, New Jersey", sometimes supplemented by "The Foos, New Jersey". There are multiple pairs of "Foo Borough, New Jersey" / "Foo Township, New Jersey". The question being what does "Foo, New Jersey" refer to, the borough or the collective. For example, there is Borough of Princeton, New Jersey / Princeton Township, New Jersey for the two municipalities, with Princeton, New Jersey covering the collective. Often, sources are unclear as whether a person or place is from/in the borough or the township, which makes the "Princeton, New Jersey" article useful. In the case of Chatham, clearly the Township stays unchanged (as it almost always should). I agree on moving Chatham, New Jersey to The Chathams or The Chathams, New Jersey (joining The Amboys, The Brunswicks, The Caldwells, The Oranges, The Plainfields, The Ridgefields and The Wildwoods). The fit isn't perfect, but "The Chathams" is a term in use, as in the title of the school district. So what to do with the borough? I have been baffled and I think other people become confused by the absence of the "borough" as to whether the usually small municipality at the center of the pair is being referenced or the combined borough/township pair. Even the borough's web site refers to itself alternatively as "Borough of Chatham" (in several places in the title), "Chatham Borough" (in the opening words of the first paragraph) and as "Chatham" (perhaps referring to the pair). As the site states, "Chatham Borough and Chatham Township share a common heritage and both are often referred to by their shared name, Chatham." I understand your efforts, and I hope that we can reach out to other members and participants of WP:NJ to reach a conclusion. Thanks for reaching out. Alansohn (talk) 14:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

moved Chatham discussion to talk to continue in one place 83d40m (talk) 18:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

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I hope you do not mind, but I have moved your message to me here so we can continue the discussion in one place. Please let me know if you would not prefer this.

Thanks for your prompt reply -- I do think the solution I have planned is feasible, and it is returning to the older article formats for Chatham and Chatham Township which worked well for a long time -- as this arrangement works in many states and counties.

First, I will have to research all the links to the three changed pages that will have to be changed also, including the "borough" one that will be eliminated. It is a tangled mess now. Second, I will create an article for the school system and the library as The Chathams with all of the current data moved there. Once that is complete, I will make the transition of the Chatham, New Jersey article back to the town by moving all of its relevant data back to it. Once that is complete I will eliminate the Chatham Borough, New Jersey article and make it a redirect to Chatham, New Jersey.

This really is not so difficult to justify because there is no town of the township and it always has been differentiated clearly as Chatham Township on maps and in use through its history -- when it did contain distinct "towns" or "villages" such as Green Village, Bottle Hill, Chatham, etc.

Words need to retain their meanings in our articles, especially when people around the world read our articles and translations must be expected. Imagine trying to understand some of the Wikipedia articles that are full of slang and jargon if one is not a native speaker... imagine the garbled translations obtained through translation software!

I have begun new pages, but never made such a change to revert to a former identity after it has been usurped for another use as this one has recently. I will take it a step at a time, and I have limited time to work on it, so please be patient.

If you see any error in the logic of my plan, please advise... I'll look here for further discussion.

I have a page in creation right now that is almost ready to post and the Chatham issues will be next.

Thanks, 83d40m (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement
Please see Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Succasunna
I saw your revert of Succasunna-Kenvil, New Jersey and agree with it because the edit was sloppily done, but I agree with the "spirit" of the original editor in that the article should be at Succasunna, New Jersey, with the appropriate edits. See my prototype for the page at User:D_Monack/Succasunna and let me know what you think at Talk:Succasunna-Kenvil, New Jersey. --D. Monack | talk 22:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Zip Code Tabulation Areas (Census)
I noticed your comments on User:Nyttend's talk page about Census Zip Code Tabulation Areas (ZCTA) for helping with demographic data for communites. That's a great idea, one I may use for some unincorporated communities in North Dakota I'm researching. However, ZCTA's are inventions of the Census Bureau, and don't always correspond on a 1-to-1 basis with a US Postal Service Zip Code. So, data for a ZCTA will not always equal the data for a particular zip code, and should be used cautiously when attributing ZCTA data to a specific community. ZCTA's pick up the majority, but not all addresses in a particular zip, including people in rural areas that may not live "in the city." The ZCTA for Lefor, ND (58641) has an area of 82 square miles, but Lefor itself consists of just a few houses. Check out the Census ZCTA page and frequently asked questions for more information.Dcmacnut (talk) 20:18, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

New Jersey government details
Alan, didn't we go over this some time ago? Saying that Brielle is in the Fourth Congressional District and New Jersey's 11th Legislative District is obviously relevant to an article on Brielle. Going on and on, however, about details specific to those districts, is not. Those details belong in articles on those districts. Not in every article for every city party of them. Nightscream (talk) 02:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK nom
Number 109 (12 create/expand - 97 nominations)

Robert Carter Pitman
Do you think this article is still a stub?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 02:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Pascack Valley HS
Hi, I noticed you reinstated the section on the threat incident of 2007. I'm wondering if we should delete it. Such incidents regularly happen, and I don't think we should allow our standard to be whether or not it made the Bergen Record. Just because it is verifiable doesn't make it worth having in the article. . . --Wehwalt (talk) 19:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Holy Cross Secondary School (St. Catharines)
Hi, if you get a moment I wonder if you could take a look at this page please? We have an enthusiastic editor who has been adding many alumni to the article. However, though some have pages, several look non-notable. I have had an extensive tussle with him over some hype on which he was insisting but on which he now appears to have given up. Consequently, an objective view on these alumni would help. Thanks. TerriersFan (talk) 22:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

George Thomas Coker
I saw the discussion on the said article. It appears as though consensus is against you on the issue at hand and you're continuing to make an argument which violates WP:POINT. It is recommended that either a) You drop the issue entirely and just move on or b) You provide groundbreaking evidence that contradicts two well respected editors' opinions. If you continue to violate POINT by halting the process which is progressing against your opinion then you may be blocked. Please remember this and also be reminded of the ArbCom sanctions still in place against yourself of assuming bad faith against other contributors. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Scarian Call me Pat!  14:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

New Jersey climate
What was [] about? Teaneck definitely gets moderating effects from the ocean. Just compare it to Chicago. Also, according to the Koppen climate classification, Teaneck has a humid subtropical climate because the average temperature during the coldest month (January) is greater than 26.6F/-3C. Press olive, win oil (talk) 14:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC) You liked my edit? Are there any other climate pages in New Jersey that need help? Press olive, win oil (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC) Thank you. Remember to use -3C/26.6F as the dividing line between humid subtropical and humid continental climates. Most areas in New Jersey have a humid subtropical climate. Humid continental climates are pretty rare in New Jersey and are found only in northwestern New Jersey, up in mountainous places such as High Point State Park. I am not a meteorologist or climatologist but I have an interest in weather. Press olive, win oil (talk) 14:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC) Yes. Just remember that some people consider most of New Jersey and New York City humid continental even though the Koppen climate classification, the most popular climate classification, would consider most of New Jersey subtropical. Just don't call places like Teaneck humid continental even though they're humid subtropical. Also, don't say they don't get moderating effects from the ocean. Hope you like my tips! Press olive, win oil (talk) 16:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC) Your welcome. By the way, Jersey City and Camden, which have humid subtropical climates, don't have climate pages. Just use Koppen climate classification as a source, along with idcide: [] is a link. Also, idcide will say that the coldest month averages 32.1F in Teaneck, meaning even people who use the 32F line as the dividing line between humid subtropical and humid continental would call it humid subtropical, but that actually isn't the case since the weather station that information came from was in Central Park. The average temperature in January in Teaneck is between 32 and 26.6F. Press olive, win oil (talk) 16:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC) Yes. While idcide has more locations, weather base is probably more accurate, since idcide relies on the nearest weather station, a good estimate to within at most, 3 degrees or so. Use common sense, though. I'm logging off Wikipedia after this so I won't reply instantly. Press olive, win oil (talk) 16:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC) This: [] says that January in Teaneck is above -3C, too. It uses 3 close weather stations, but it only gives readings for a few months, including January, Teaneck's coldest month. Where does weatherbase get its data from, anyway? It doesn't use weather stations. Press olive, win oil (talk) 23:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC) There have been edits on Trenton that were similar. I corrected them and fixed the Trenton page. Press olive, win oil (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Well, idcide is your best bet for average highs/lows and precipitation, but even that's not completely reliable. Records highs/lows? That's harder. I haven't found a website that's extremely reliable yet, but I'm looking for one. Are you looking for such a website? Press olive, win oil (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC) I didn't mean that reliable. I meant something accurate to 0.5F or something. Not perfect, but better than idcide or weatherbase. Still, you should take anything as close to this as possible, like you'd already do. Press olive, win oil (talk) 15:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC) Actually, I think idcide is better than weatherbase. Weather.com itself agrees with idcide on everything. They both get data from a location's nearest weather station. Weatherbase has unsourced data- questionable, probably less accurate, and inappropriate for wikipedia. Press olive, win oil (talk) 21:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Ioffer
Hi! I created a page called Ioffer. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioffer Would you mind editing it? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 16:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)(talk) 16:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Ioffer
That's all the information I can find. Can you please edit it? Neptunekh (talk) 16:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Congressmen
Hello. All of this information is either coming from the official websites of the members or from two voter information websites: Congress.org and VoteSmart. Don't worry, I'm not pulling crap from a blog or anything like that.Mr. Vitale (talk) 18:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not one of the belief that all things need cited directly- especially something like this that is done en mass. But those are the three sources that I have. Since I'm trying to put this info on for all 435 members of the House, I obviously don't remember which ones came from which of those sites. But all are legitimate and you can find the information there. If you want to add a citation, then that does indeed make the site look better I'd say. Just don't change things because what I have written isn't exactly what's on on the other sites- for example, Congress.org or VoteSmart may list a member as only a "businessman", but if you look at their official website, you might see that they sold real estate, which leads me to list them as the more accurate "real estate agent".Mr. Vitale (talk) 18:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In response to your example, his alma mater and residence are from Congress.org. His occupation is from his official website, where he lists his work in Morris County. Mr. Vitale (talk) 18:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well almost all of this information can be found directly on congessional websites- they'll usually talk of their college and working lives. And their residences can be found in the official house rolls. For myself, using Congress.org and Votesmart are a lot easier than scrolling through the crap on congressional websites (fidning useful info among the officials drumming up their record). Plus this is easily found public information, so confirming it is no problem. Mr. Vitale (talk) 18:33, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

My Userboxs on my User Pages
Hi Alansonh! Would you mind fixing and rearrange my user boxs on my user page? Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neptunekh Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hudson and Manhattan Railroad Company
Are you aware that Hudson and Manhattan Railroad redirects to PATH, which has a lot more about the H&M than the Hudson and Manhattan Railroad Company article? --NE2 10:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Towers in New York
You reverted changes made to NYC bridge articles, removing the category "Towers in New York" using popups. Suspension bridges have towers, so I think your changes were made in error. --Pwnage8 (talk) 06:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Renaming of "Hotchkiss School"
Before moving the article, please post your thoughts on the talk page and wait for an concessus before acting as there is a disagreement and this will allow it to be settled. Thanks, Calebrw (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked for 48 hours due to your comments at Requests for bureaucratship/Rlevse. As is standard procedure, you are welcome to contest this block by adding   below. Thanks, —Animum (talk) 03:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I've asked Animum about this and if I don't get a response soon, I'll take it to AN/I for wider review. Just stay with us and it should be sorted soon.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  03:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Please try to lighten up your language, though. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Understood. I will make my best effort to ensure that there is no perception of incivility, even if I feel strongly about an issue. Alansohn (talk) 03:52, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Plural schools redirect to disambig links
Hi, Alansohn. I was wondering about this myself. My information is based on Disambiguation. There is a section on "Double disambiguation" (very tiny) and another on "Links to disambiguated topics" there but I have not found any policy that directly applies to this type of situation. Please correct me if I am overlooking something. The MoS is becoming a vast tome in and of itself. I think the changes are kosher. I decided to use the be bold policy and just made the pages. There is a reason for it: using these links makes some of the "see also" links much clearer in some school disambiguation pages. I also think that this change is valuable enough that if we do found some style guideline we should discuss it further before any reverts and maybe consider using the build the web and ignore all rules policies if not amending the style guidelines. I invite further comment. Jason Quinn (talk) 19:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The crux of the problem is that many of the high school disambiguation pages do not have "(disambiguation)" as part of their title and the disambig links are supposed to be the true name of the link. So when you use just "X high school" as a double redirect in the "see also" section it is more confusing than "X High Schools". The best way out is to have "(disambiguation)" as part of the title. But since few people are going to search for "X High School (disambiguation)" so we also need to handle the search terms. It therefore seems like the "true" solution would be to have "X High School" and maybe also my "X High Schools" always redirect to a page called "X High School (disambiguation)". Allow me a day or so to think about this further and also to absorb your input. Jason Quinn (talk) 20:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

My Userboxes on my Userpage
Hi Alanson! Could you do me a favour? My userboxs on my userpage is mixed up. Would you mind fixing and rearranging my user boxs on my user page? Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neptunekh Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 04:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

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 * Inclusionist (talk) 00:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I changed the section. Inclusionist (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent events
Alansohn, you have had presented to you numerous times, in the course of the past several days, two options: Seeing as the first option will neither further your opinion nor cast you in a positive light, why can't you assume the second? —Animum (talk) 01:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep insisting that you're in the right, and
 * Letting it go.
 * I have raised my issues and provided ample documentation to support them. You can accept them or ignore them. If you have specific points of disagreement I will be happy to address them. Alansohn (talk) 01:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Fresh Meadows
The Times article was about 'Hollis Hills' and only mentioned Fresh Meadows in passing. I found the new reference source in response to a complaint on the talk page of Fresh meadows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFinalSay (talk • contribs) 01:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The link you've placed on the page is of almost no relevance to the text. It merely only mentions that the Jewish population is "dwindling". The previous two sources are ample, and much better backs up the claims made. I've undid the revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFinalSay (talk • contribs) 02:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Whippany
Alansohn, I hope I'm putting this question in the right place... I see you've added content to the Whippany page. Although the content is correct, shouldn't we rely on the Hanover Twp page to hold this data and use the Whippany (and Cedar Knolls) pages to point to the Hanover page? This is otherwise redundant. - joelincoln 7/28/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelincoln (talk • contribs) 18:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to a school entry I added. I put it in the Whippany, New Jersey article, because the school lists itself as being in Whippany. I have also added notables who have identified themselves as being from Whippany. I understand your issue, but I think it gives a bit of character to an article that is otherwise empty of it. Alansohn (talk) 19:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Joelincoln"

Please realize that everyone in Hanover Twp identifies themselves as being in either Whippany or Cedar Knolls (there are separate post offices). But it is all part of the Township. It seems to me that for consistancy's sake, we should either use the Hanover page as the main article or populate all three pages (the Township plus Whippany and CK) with all of the relevant data which would be more difficult to maintain. Perhaps we should make an explicit statement in the Whippany and CK pages to see the Township page for details. - joelincoln —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelincoln (talk • contribs) 20:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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Jon Corzine
By your recent involvement in Jon Corzine I thought you might want to help me in a WP:GA push for this article. The are many sorts of cleanup issues that might improve the article. Among the many are cleaning up the citations. You may note that recently I have added several WP:RS to the article using the cite web template. It would be helpful if more of the citations used a uniform citation method and would appreciate any help you may lend in such an effort. Many claims in the article could also use some sources. Your help is welcome.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

New Jersey local government
Seeing you adding the link to City (New Jersey), I wondered: is there any article on a topic similar to Local government of New Jersey? I know New York and Wisconsin have such articles; they're the only states besides New Jersey that I know have detailed articles on their local governments. Nyttend (talk) 23:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's possible to have titles redirect to sections: Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY CSA goes to a lower section of Buffalo-Niagara Falls metropolitan area. Do you think that would work?  Or perhaps the statewide article could have small sections using the Main hatnote to refer readers to the existing articles on the various kinds of municipalities?  I'd just really appreciate a good sourced article that could give a short explanation of the various types and forms of local government; as an Ohioan, who only has four kinds of local government (city, village, township, and the rare urban township), I find New Jersey's systems quite confusing without a single place to go to find them all discussed together.  Nyttend (talk) 00:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't know how well I could make such an article: as I say, I find the system rather confusing, so I don't know how well I could write such an article without it becoming rather confusing even to people who understand the system! I'll try in my userspace.  Nyttend (talk) 00:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've left a note on the WProject talk page: see what you think. Thanks for your help! Nyttend (talk) 01:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've not gotten any replies on the local government thing in a day and a half; is there perhaps a better place to leave a note for NJ people? Nyttend (talk) 17:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Disambig page
Sorry if this is a waste of your time, but I'm not sure I entirely understand what was wrong with my revision to the Somerville High School disambiguation page. Because its a disambig page, I don't really care that much, but I'd like to understand my mistake so that I don't repeat it in the future. Is there any chance you can explain what was wrong with adding the extra internal links to the respective cities/towns? Glassbreaker5791 (talk) 18:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Sorry again. After looking it over, I get it. I'm going to go back however and re-edit the couple of things that weren't related to that. Thanks. Glassbreaker5791 (talk) 18:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ref for Jayson Blair on NYT article is superfluous
But appreciated. 67.135.49.186 (talk) 00:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

PLHS Cats.
I see you updated the PLHS categories here. Should it be listed as a HS in Morris County, though? It's physically in Passaic County and is only a receiving district for Riverdale students. It's probably just a question of technicality, but I thought I'd ask you about it first, Metros (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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Talkback
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HAZLET
I changed 37 miles south of New York City to Manhattan, because as the crow flies, Hazlet is less than 10 miles south of southern Staten Island, and yes, Staten Island is part of New York City. Why did you alter it? 98.221.141.21 (talk) 07:44, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Blekko discussion
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WikiCup 2012 May newsletter
We're halfway through round 3 (or the quarter finals, if you prefer) and things are running smoothly. We're seeing very high scoring; as of the time of writing, the top 16 all have over 90 points. This has already proved to be more competative than this time last year- in 2011, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 was the lowest qualifying score. People have also upped their game slightly from last round, which is to be expected as we approach the end of the competition. Leading Pool A is, whose points have mostly come from a large number of did you knows on marine biology. Pool B's leader,, is for the first time not our highest scorer at the time of newsletter publication, but his good articles on The X-Files and Millenium keep him in second place overall. leads Pool C, our quietest pool, with content in a variety of areas on a variety of topics. Pool D is led by, our current overall leader. Nearly half of Casliber's points come from his triple-scored Western Jackdaw, which is now a featured article.

This round has seen an unusually high number of featured lists, with nearly one in five remaining participants claiming one, and one user,, claiming two. Miyagawa's featured list, 1936 Summer Olympics medal table, was even awarded double points. By comparison, good article reviews seem to be playing a smaller part, and featured topics portals remain two content-types still unutilised in this competition. Other than that, there isn't much to say! Things are coming along smoothly. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
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thanks
Alansohn, just a simple thank you for the time you spent on Bayonne refinery strikes of 1915–1916. --Lockley (talk) 16:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just making each article a little bit better. Glad I could help. Alansohn (talk) 16:34, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Historical Businesses
East Brunswick has a large number of businesses that have been open for decades. We wish that you would publish this information and we think it is significant to the history of our town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.125.174.153 (talk) 22:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia standard for such lists is that the places have Wikipedia article and are accompanied by reliable and verifiable sources supporting the connection between the business and the place. None of these businesses have articles and no references of any kind were provided, which is why the list was removed. Alansohn (talk) 22:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

MCVSD revert
Hello, you recently reverted some of my edits to the pages of the five career academies in the Monmouth County Vocational School District, e.g. here. The edit summaries read, "rv chg; the school (and the whole district) uses the software, but this doesn't add anything to the article, as evidenced by lack of coverage in independent sources." After reading Notability, I think your reasoning is correct in that there should be independent sources, however notability within an article is not restricted, according to this section, except for lists. I tend to take a more conservative approach to reverting, knowing that Wikipedia is a work in progress, and will be that way permanently.

I'd like to explain my reasons for complaining about this. Many of the course descriptions of district schools, and various other information, are unsourced (see Biotechnology High School, Communications High School, High Technology High School), and could probably use the refimprove template. Unfortunately, the only good sources of information are the webpages for the schools themselves; you can see I used the page AAHS Courses of Study extensively on Academy of Allied Health and Science. Should this information be removed because no reliable third party source can be found? The absolute purist would expunge this material also. Despite being unsourced, this material was left in. Besides, I don't think the citation needed template could've been added to the edit that was reverted. Since notability is not an issue, since it does not pertain to content within articles (excluding lists), I think there's a pretty good argument for leaving that information in.

I have left the pages as they stand. Also, I made the same edit to Academy of Allied Health and Science and Monmouth County Vocational School District. I assume you had the best intent. Once a consensus is established, I will be willing to abide by it.

Good luck editing. Thank you for reading this brief notice, and thanks for your contributions, especially concerning New Jersey, and also for helping around bewildered new users like me! I'll be sleeping after I post this, but I'll be hoping to hear from you. Sincerely, AllenZh (talk) 02:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Telephone Exchange Source + Previously Removed Item
My list of telephone exchanges for Fair Lawn is from www.sandman.com/colookup.asp.

You removed Rosemary Rice as a Montclair resident. Please let me know how I can get the Newark News article from the 1940s to you. I'm Metropolitan99@msn.com. Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.254.184 (talk) 10:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Category:Jewish film and theatre
As you commented on this category at the previous discussion, please see Categories for discussion/Log/2012 June 17 which I have raised afresh at the suggestion of user:IZAK. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:00, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Sussex County, New Jersey
I look forward to working with you on fixing up this article. It has been sloppy for too long. Do you agree with my assessment and proposed content at the article's talk page? Do you think we should give a brief summary of the history and start a History of Sussex County, New Jersey article?ColonelHenry (talk) 02:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The article needs a lot of work. I would suggest trimming down history and leaving it in the article, but the reorganization you propose makes a great deal of sense and the article desperately needs to have appropriate sources added. Alansohn (talk) 02:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It is indeed a lot of work. But slowly, surely, it's getting there.ColonelHenry (talk) 21:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd like your opinion on the fate of the "Geographic Location template" on the SC article that I'm revising. I'd like to get rid of it and assert it serves no real purpose.  But, I want some opinions/feedback on the idea.  Join the discussion, add your two cents, bring some friends at Talk:Sussex County, New Jersey. Thanks.ColonelHenry (talk) 21:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

“RFK Bridge” renaming discussion
is requesting that “Robert F. Kennedy Bridge” be moved back to its old title of “Triborough Bridge”. As someone who voiced an opinion during the last move discussion, I figured I’d bring it to your attention. This new discussion is at Talk:Robert F. Kennedy Bridge. Larry V (talk &#124; email) 00:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Avalon/Stone Harbor
the link gives users the ability to find all info on one page without navigating to multiple websites. Its been on wiki for YEARS leave it alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buttress (talk • contribs)
 * See reply on user talk page. Alansohn (talk) 18:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Noach
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Red Bank
Alan, please do not do blind, blanket reverts of articles, as you did here. Unless you can assert that all of my edits to that article were without merit, such reverts are completely inappropriate. The material you mentioned as having been removed was removed for good reason: Much information in the article was unsourced, and quite a number of the photos in the article were of poor quality, bore no relevance to the sections they were in, harbored only incidental relevance to the city's notability, and were so numerous that they violated WP:STACKING. In addition, you also undid all the other work I did to that article, fixing citation formatting, placement of fact tags; moving images to more relevant sections, a lot of copyediting (compare the passage on Kevin Smith in the In media section to what it looked like before, for example), and you even removed material that I added to the article with a source. Please examine the edits a bit more closely if you're going to revert them all.

To be fair, the aerial shot does make a better choice for the Infobox, and I missed the fact that passage about the ice boats in the Arts and culture section was indeed sourced, and not unsourced, as I mistakenly believed. Thanks for that. Nightscream (talk) 02:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Alan, there's a saying. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.


 * It's clear that you're lying about your edits, because you don't want to cop to what you did. If you undid all of my edits without distinguishing between the material you wished to restore with sources and the rest, then yes, it was indeed a blind revert, and that is indeed what you did. You did not, for example remove "some of my wording", nor did you fail to be "perfect" in retaining it, you removed all of it, and made zero effort at retaining any of it. That's clear from looking at the diffs. You tried your best to match my photo placements? Oh really? Which photos were those? Can you name one example? All one has to do is compare the version of the article before I started editing it to the the version saved after you undid all my edits to see that aside from the aerial shot placement (which was your change, not mine), the photo placement in both versions is identical. It's obvious you just hit the "Undo" button before making your own changes to the article. That's a blind revert. But if I'm wrong, then point to me a single instance of wording or photo replacement on my part that you retained. If you can't, then please don't engage in such mendacity. It doesn't work on me, and only hurts your credibility further. Nightscream (talk) 03:42, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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Clayton, NJ native (maybe?)
I was wondering if you could find any references that indicate Granger Hall is from Clayton. His article says he is but I haven't been able to confirm it. Also, if he is, would he potentially be the first "notable alumni" member for Clayton Middle/High School? Jrcla2 (talk) 13:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I will check this out and see if I can find sources. Alansohn (talk) 14:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice! Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad I can help. I've tried to source New Jersey residents, but I often don't realize there's a connection. Thanks for reaching out. Alansohn (talk) 17:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Dan Oates
Thanks for those fixes. On another note, the article will be on the main page on Friday I believe. Any improvements before then are welcome. Where did you get the birth place information from? Do you have access to the date? Ryan Vesey Review me!  19:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. He grew up in my neck of the woods, so the places are familiar and the local paper had a thorough write up. Articles for people who flash to prominence like Oates can be very hard to keep up with, but I will see what I can do to help. Alansohn (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Is the paper available online? Or is there any way you could upload a scanned copy of the article?  I've been very interested in him since I started writing this. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  19:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just click on this link for the article. Alansohn (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh that one, thank you. I noticed it earlier and have been planning to read it when I get off of work today.  I skimmed it and it seems thorough, I should be able to update a good amount of information from it. Ryan Vesey  Review me!  19:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Category for Summit, NJ
Take a look at the subcategories in Category:Cities in New Jersey. Whether it's Hoboken, Jersey City, Camden, Newark, etc. Let's look for example at Category:Asbury Park, New Jersey. Two categories are listed, Category:Monmouth County, New Jersey and Category:Cities in New Jersey. Another example: Category:Clifton, New Jersey with categories Passaic County, New Jersey and Cities in New Jersey. So, why make the exception for Category:Summit, New Jersey? Tinton5 (talk) 00:33, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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We're approaching the beginning of 2012's final round. Pool A sees as the leader, with 300 points being awarded for the featured article Bivalvia, and Pool B sees  in the lead, with 10 good articles, and over 35 articles eligible for good topic points. Pool A sees in second place with a number of articles relating to baseball, while Pool B's  follows Grapple X, with a variety of contributions including the high-scoring, high-importance featured article on the 2010 film Pride & Prejudice. Ruby2010, like Grapple X, also claimed a number of good topic points; despite this, not a single point has been claimed for featured topics in the contest so far. The same is true for featured portals.

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Siyum HaShas
Thanks for monitoring this article. People seem to be getting really hot under the collar about the Modern Orthodox event. It is being run by a fringe group, so I changed the description from referring to the whole Modern Orthodox community to just a Modern Orthodox Siyum. After the event concludes, I'll try to find press coverage to sharpen the definition a bit better. Best, Yoninah (talk) 15:19, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, though from your edits I thought it happened already, which leads me to a few questions about tonight's event at MetLife Stadium: What time did it end? Should I have driven or was it a better choice to have taken public transportation? Who was the best speaker? How bad an idea was it for me to bring all 73 volumes of my ArtScroll Schottenstein edition full-size Talmud? All seriousness aside, the article has improved tremendously since it was first created and the flurry of activity, much of it from inexperienced editors with a clear POV issue, will pass once tonight's event is actually in the past tense. Thanks for all your efforts? Alansohn (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I put it back in present tense for readers in the next few hours. Yoninah (talk) 17:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? The use of the past tense convinced me that the rain stopped in time to keep the event tonight, rather than pushing it off until tomorrow. I always hate those situations like Inauguration Day or when new legislators take office where there's a tendency for some people to place the event in the present when it didn't yet happen, even though there's every reason to believe that it will occur as scheduled. I'm still looking forward to attending, seeing 100,000 Jews in one place and feeling the rush in the audience when Bruce Springsteen comes on as the opening act and discloses that he really is Jewish after all and plays the distinctive chords of "Born to Run (to Shul in time for davening)". Alansohn (talk) 17:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Mall info from 67.253.250.117
ANI is only appropriate when other measures have been taken and have not worked, or are not applicable in some way, which is not the case here. You and I have both warned him once each, and since he has again added such material, I will give him a third and final warning. If he continues after that, I will block him, just as I do with other editors who violate policy and do not respond to warnings. Unfortunate, given how useful the material he adds would be if sourced, but unavoidable. Nightscream (talk) 02:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Obviously it's not a matter of merely not knowing how to source, but as you said, the fact that he is ignoring our attempts at communication. Yeah, I'd like to keep that information too, and I too would like to help him. But if he insists on ignoring us, our hands are tied. Nightscream (talk) 02:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Notable people
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Re:Galloway Township
Including previous census information in the introduction is not relevant and necessary as they are already included under the demographics section. Overall, you are only repeating information that is already within the article. You are welcome to edit the sources or add new ones, but only under the demographics section. The majority of articles on wikipedia regarding municipalities do not have previous census data in the intro, it only has such information in the demographics section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djbutala93 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Your claim that the area is repeated is unjustified. The only reason why the area is mentioned in the introduction is as it deals with a noteworthy fact. Your sources are credited, however you do not need to go into detail of population trends as that is well detailed in the demogrpahics section. An introduction is only a broad statement with broad facts. Detail is to follow in the respective section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djbutala93 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Galloway Townshipo
The deputy mayor DOES HAVE roles that benefit the township. He conducts the council meetings in the absence of the mayor and also has specific administrative functions and abilities within the township. In Galloway Township he heads numerous committees. Your claim that there isnt a function to the deputy mayor position is untrue.

As to your other concern, (and therefore township) is added as many people consider neighboring Hamilton Township to be larger. Also, many individuals do not know what the different types of municipalities are in the state of New Jrsey.

Any other concerns please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djbutala93 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Your edits with categories
You seem to keep missing the subcategory entries at these categories: Category:Towns in New Jersey (you just removed Secaucus, NJ subcategory but left the other 7), Category:Townships in New Jersey by county (look at several pages having various subcategories where it says 2 C, 2 P, for example under the Townships in Hudson County category), Category:Boroughs in New Jersey by county and you recently removed all the subcategories in Category:Cities in New Jersey. I am confused and not seeing any consistency here. Tinton5 (talk) 04:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I try to clean 'em up when I see 'em, but it takes time. My project to add demographic and other updated data to articles for all municipalities and CDPs is still ongoing after several months, and I'm sure that the cleanup of the subcategory entries will be done faster than that. Alansohn (talk) 04:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Keansburg, New Jersey
Hi Alansohn; you're terrific on New Jersey articles, so I'm dropping a note re: this one. I've removed a long unsourced listing of the city's bars--if you think I've been in error please feel free to restore any or all content you find noteworthy. I'm dubious..... Thanks, 99.168.82.133 (talk) 03:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words and for beating me to the punch. I was trying to see if any of this could be sourced but I agree that this was both unencyclopedic and unsourced. Alansohn (talk) 03:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey, the changes look nice, thank for your help. Tiltedsun88 (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)Tiltedsun88

Sorry I hit the roll back button by mistake.Tiltedsun88 (talk) 03:38, 15 August 2012 (UTC)tiltedsun88

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Buddy Valastro
What I would still want to ask is whether the source really goes into enough detail about him as an individual to really justify having a standalone article about him separate from the one about the show; while there's obviously always the perception that even one minimal source is sufficient to fork out a separate article, it's not always true that a single source is actually enough to establish that he's independently notable as a separate topic from the show as a whole.

Since you didn't actually provide the details about the specific source you have in mind, I do thus have to ask how much new content your one source can really support: is it really detailed enough to really justify a whole new article about him as a separate topic, or would a stickler for quality sourcing be more likely to suggest that it really only justifies one or two more sentences about him in the show's article?

If you had a dozen new sources that could support a really long and detailed article about him, I'd certainly unprotect without a second's hesitation — but if all we're talking about here is adding one single source to an otherwise entirely unsourced BLP, then that by itself isn't necessarily enough to warrant a standalone article. Bearcat (talk) 00:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 August newsletter
The final is upon us! We are down to our final 8. A massive 573 was our lowest qualifying score; this is higher than the 150 points needed last year and the 430 needed in 2010. Even in 2009, when points were acquired for mainspace edit count in addition to audited content, 417 points secured a place. That leaves this year's WikiCup, by one measure at least, our most competitive ever. Our finalists, ordered by round 4 score, are:
 * 1) once again finishes the round in first place, leading Pool B. Grapple X writes articles about television, and especially The X-Files and Millenium, with good articles making up the bulk of the score.
 * 2) led Pool A this round. Fourth-place finalist last year, Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, and has reached the final primarily off the back of his massive number of did you knows.
 * 3) was second in Pool B. Ruby2010 writes primarily on television and film, and scores primarily from good articles.
 * 4) finished third in Pool B. Casliber is something of a WikiCup veteran, having finished sixth in 2011 and fourth in 2010. Casliber writes on the natural sciences, including ornithology, botany and astronomy. Over half of Casliber's points this round were bonus points from the high-importance articles he has worked on.
 * 5) came second in Pool A. Also writing on biology, especially marine biology, Cwmhiraeth received 390 points for one featured article (Bivalvia) and one good article (pelican), topping up with a large number of did you knows.
 * 6) was third in Pool A. Muboshgu writes primarily on baseball, and this round saw Muboshgu's first featured article, Derek Jeter, promoted on its fourth attempt at FAC.
 * 7) was fourth in Pool A. She writes on a variety of topics, including horses, but this round also saw the high-importance lettuce reach featured article status.
 * 8) is another WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist in 2009 and 2010. He writes mostly on mycology.

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Request
Hi there, you've recenly reviewed my DYK nomination of Oskar Fischer. Thanks for your feedback. Should I develope an alternative hook to include the fact that his studies were done decades ago or just change the hook? Thanks in advance, Egeymi (talk) 22:10, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a very good article and would be much "hookier" with more details. Can I suggest that you add some alternative hooks rather than change the one that's already there. Nice work on the article. Alansohn (talk) 22:14, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Alansohn, I will add an alternative hook. His life is really interesting. I hope readers will also read his story.Egeymi (talk) 22:21, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The more interesting the hook is, the more likely that readers will click on the link and read the article. Alansohn (talk) 22:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.
No problem, I have many photos that I will add.

Jared Kofsky —Preceding undated comment added 23:36, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Your opinion
Hey, would you mind giving your opinion about this individual, Steven Van Voorhees? I put it up for deletion, but an editor has improved it to some extent. I was wondering if he has ties to Voorhees, New Jersey, since that is included on the page's "see also" section, along with the Voorhees High School. Thanks! Tinton5 (talk) 20:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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Notable people
Regarding your message, I guess that might be more accurate, since it would incorporate people born in a city who never lived there. If you insist. Nightscream (talk) 20:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Fort Lee, New Jersey
Hi Alansohn, I know that you are a respected editor here. I see that you removed my statement and reference about Fort Lee being described as New York City's sixth borough. Actually, if you look at the New York Times article, it says that "several" residents have described it that way, not just one. I believe I have heard this myself about Fort Lee. Would you have an objection to the statement being re-inserted somewhere in the article, and saying that "It has been described by residents..."? Also, the reason I put it in the lead is that I felt it described the borough's character as a whole and set the tone for the article, actually even more so than the statement about being the birth of the American film industry (which really could be placed in the History section, as an example). Best regards, Castncoot (talk) 14:24, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that a mention of the statement would be appropriate later in the article, but this particular source is weaker than other prospective claimants to being a "sixth borough". Alansohn (talk) 14:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I found this: http://www.northjersey.com/fortlee/Fort_Lee.html. I think this is a strong source, in conjunction with the other one. I'm just stumped where else to put a statement about Fort Lee's evolving cosmopolitanism, with this statement and these refs to support, other than the lead. From what I hear and read, this is the direction Fort Lee is clearly heading, and in a major way; I would think this is certainly as important to point out early on as historical artifacts about its early involvement with filmmaking (not to say that shouldn't be mentioned as well). Maybe as its own sentence in a second paragraph in the lead section? - just a thought. Where or what would your preference be?

Castncoot (talk) 02:13, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Alansohn, it's been a few days - any ideas?

Castncoot (talk) 17:25, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Location maps
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Merging smaller Hasidic dynasties into larger ones
Hi Alansohn, where does one draw the line and on what basis should articles or stubs about smaller Hasidic dynasties be merged into larger ones? See the discussion starting at User talk:IZAK. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 06:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

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New Jersey Municipality Demographics
Every single California municipality in Wikipedia has in its Demographics section the numbers and percentages of same-sex couples and unmarried opposite-sex partnerships, as in an example I have copied below from Bakersfield, California.

"There were 111,132 households, out of which 51,995 (46.8%) had children under the age of 18 living in them, 57,276 (51.5%) were opposite-sex married couples living together, 18,049 (16.2%) had a female householder with no husband present, 7,829 (7.0%) had a male householder with no wife present. There were 8,159 (7.3%) unmarried opposite-sex partnerships, and 845 (0.8%) same-sex married couples or partnerships. 21,800 households (19.6%) were made up of individuals and 7,354 (6.6%) had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 3.10. There were 83,154 families (74.8% of all households); the average family size was 3.56."

Would you please be able to program this in for all New Jersey municipalities? There is no excuse for all New Jersey towns and cities not having this information in their Wikipedia articles. Thanks!!!173.63.176.93 (talk) 10:48, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * When another editor and I had worked on loading the 2010 Census data for New Jersey we had endeavored to match the data that had been loaded from the 2000 Census, which did not include information about same-sex couples and POSSLQs. I think that it's a great idea to include this information and will work on adding it to our templates. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Alansohn (talk) 15:05, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Very well, thank you.173.63.176.93 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * May I ask how this effort is going? 173.63.176.93 (talk) 14:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing yet. i had asked the person who populated the templates to add the additional fields, but he has been inactive and hasn't responded. I wasn't sure how i could do this on my own, but I think I have an approach that I will try out over the next few days. Alansohn (talk) 14:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I see, thank you. 173.63.176.93 (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry if it seems like I'm pushing, but a thought just occurred to me - why couldn't the exact (analagous) template be used as is being used for the entire group of all California municipalities? 173.63.176.93 (talk) 07:08, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm still working on this, but there are two issues. There is no standard template that's used nationwide. I worked with another editor to build a template for New Jersey that could be used nationwide but there is no national solution. The other part we worked on was downloading the data from the Census Bureau for all of New Jersey, another non-trivial task. Expanding the template is fairly easy, but I have had a hard time tracking down where all the fields are in the 2010 Census data. I looked at the article for Bakersfield and I'm not sure how the process was done for California. Let me assure you that I agree that this is a worthwhile task and that I will continue to work towards adding this information to the templates and to the articles. Alansohn (talk) 01:46, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it, thank you. 173.63.176.93 (talk) 13:27, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey Alan, sorry for the delayed response on this. Haven't had time to contribute in a while.  The same-sex demographics are not part of the Census data proper, they are part of the American Community Survey.  ACS is not asked to every household and is asked outside of the decennial census process.  There is a ton of other ACS data that could be provided as well, and it is updated far more often than the census.  Since it is not asked to every household, it introduces statistical error.  We would have to include a +/- error figure and IMO it should not be confused with actual census data.  It would be a big project to properly interpret and select ACS data for inclusion in articles.  I think that is outside of scope.  What do you think?  I've got the county data in the spreadsheet now and will add it to the list of templates shortly.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Counties are added now. How does that look? --ChrisRuvolo (t) 17:11, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

If it's not part of the census, why can't it just be mentioned as being part of the ACS data, mentioned between the 2010 and 2000 Census data? I think this issue would be a poor excuse not to include it. Every California municipality has it mentioned-but you're right, it would be misleading to include it as belonging to the census data. 173.63.176.93 (talk) 18:37, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm still pursuing this, using the same model that I've used to extract ACS data for income that used to be part of the decennial census. I will keep you updated. Alansohn (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * How is this coming along? 173.63.176.93 (talk) 17:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

NJ Monthly Ratings of Schools
Hello Alansohn. As per your request, I am contacting you about the posting of NJ Monthly's schools rankings from NJ schools' Wikipedia pages. The NJ Monthly rankings and methodology are not well-established (it is a popular magazine, rather than a government report or recognized periodical within the field of school research), and I recommend avoiding their use as a public ranking. The methodology relies on NJ School Report Card data used without regard to context (e.g. schools that have only been open for 2-3 years being ranked low due to inadequate AP enrollment ... when obviously such a ranking fails to capture that the school is newly opened). I would appreciate if you could refrain from replacing the text if I have taken it down. Please feel free to contact me with any ideas or recommendations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelOjeda (talk • contribs) 03:41, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No governmental agency in the state offers any system of ranking schools. While no rating system is perfect, the rankings offered by New Jersey Monthly magazine are widely reported on by other publications and are extensively used by many schools that appear high up in the rankings. That the school is new is clear from the article and I will be happy to insert an indication that the 2012 rankings are the first for the school. Depriving readers of relevant information from reliable and verifiable sources is never an effective way to deal with information of this kind. Alansohn (talk) 15:21, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I believe the concern relative to this page is the extent to which the NJ Monthly rankings report analyses in error when addressing restructured schools. Admittedly, I can only speak for schools in Union County, NJ (with which I am more familiar than others), but the errors can be quite startling--a recent yearly report placed Elizabeth High School as No. 2 in the state by Washington Post and, at the same time, near the bottom by NJ Monthly. Clearly the ranking is lauded by schools by schools at the top of the ranking; despite it's flaws, it portrays the schools in a positive light. Considering the erroneous analysis built into the NJ Monthly methodology, I recommend its use be limited or be placed on a separate page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelOjeda (talk • contribs) 02:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Herx
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New Jersey Schools
There is no reason to revert any of my work to make your point of having New Jersey be an exception. You do not have any basis to say that other states' editors do care just because they do not agree with you. Your argument has no basis for support, before or now. And your reverts are an unacceptable editing practice when this is being discussed. It was fine with me if both our category structures existed; you cannot tolerate mine; you are deleting mine and are clearly an aggressor here. Hmains (talk) 02:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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Your edits to Galloway Township, NJ
I am writing you as you yet again deleted my revisions to Galloway Township. Your insistence on adding the population changes in the introduction is totally unnecessary. This information is already included under the demographics section of the article and with you adding it, you are only repeating information. Also, an introduction is a broad overview, not an in depth detailed paragraph. The introduction needs to read as it does with my edit because many people confuse neighboring Hamilton Township as the largest municipality in the state. That is why (and therefore township) belongs in the introduction, the clarify which township is bigger. You also continuously delete the information next to the Township Manager (Arch Liston) for no reason. The date is included so it can serve as a reference point to those who view the article.

I see the information that you added to the info box on the right side of the article, although the information is a bit excessive, I will not delete it. I ask you to show the same courtesy to my edits. If you continue to undo my edits, I will keep on re-adding them. We went over this same issue a month ago, for some reason you decided it was time again to re do my edits. I have been a lifelong resident of this township, therefore I believe I know what I am doing to the article.

Please stop fiddling with my edits. Djbutala93 (talk) 22:45, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Galloway Township, NJ
If you claim that I "own the article" then you are doing the same. And my residency is completely relevant as I am able to edit the article immediately. I keep fiddling with your edits as you keep fiddling with mine. '''Just because every other article on municipalities in New Jersey follows your pattern doesn't mean that this one does as well. This article (and every other one on municipalities) are entitled to be unique. They don't have to be part of a monopoly.'''

1. The deputy mayor is completely relevant as he leads numerous subcommittees in the township. Therefore he belongs in the info box. The deputy mayor also has numerous functions in the township in addition to heading committees and acting in the mayor's place. This position will remain in the info box as it is completely relevant.

2. You are correct, population trends are listed in every article. However, they don't belong in the introduction. Take an article about any community in the state of California, or on the city of Chicago and you will see that this information is not in the introduction, it is only in the demographics section. An introduction is a brief overview paragraph, not an in-depth and detailed paragraph. Just because they are in most articles only in the state of new jersey (but not any other state) isn't a reason to insist on putting in the introduction. that and the fact the information is too much and therefore unappealing to any reader.

3. The manager's hire date is indeed important as many people will need or will wish to reference it. Just because no other article has it does not constitute a reason as to why it should be on here.

4. "Galloway Township is the largest municipality (and therefore township) in the State of New Jersey" belongs in the introduction as people still claim that Hamilton Township is the largest township in New Jersey even when you put Galloway as the largest municipality in New Jersey. Therefore it is completely necessary to put it in the introduction. If you lived in the area you would be completely aware of this.

Overall, I am willing to work something out with you. I have not touched the rankings that you added into the info box even though they are a bit excessive. You are completely allowed to add any relevant information to the article, but undoing my edits without any justified reason is not acceptable. As I stated above, just because every article on municipalities in New Jersey follows your expectations does not constitute a reason that this one does as well. Articles on Wikipedia are entitled to be different from ones on a related topic. A great consensus would be to let my edits stand in the introduction in addition to the deputy mayor and manager while I let your info box edits on rankings stand. Please let me know.

Djbutala93 (talk) 16:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

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This is to kindly notify you that I added the article, Galloway Township, NJ, to the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. I beleive that this is the most appropriate way to resolve our dispute. Please work out a consensus with me on this discussion regarding the article. Thank You.

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Your suggestion that our dispute be resolved on WT:NJ is not appropriate as you are the founder of that page. The reason why I opened it on the Dispute Resolution Board is because there clearly would be no bias on that page. You also state that you are willing to accept a resolution. How is that when you have not even stated what contributions of mine you are willing to let stand!?!?!? As I have stated two or three times, I will let your unnecessary edits in the info box pertaining to rankings stand. As for you, what edits of mine are you willing to let stand? I await your response. Thank You.

Djbutala93 (talk) 20:44, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Could we please work out a resolution appropriate on the talk page for Galloway Township? It is in our best interest to work it out there. Ignoring my requests for a compromise will not be helpful for the article page.

Djbutala93 (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

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Galloway Township, NJ Compromise
This is to notify you that I edited the article in order for it to be an appropriate compromise. The following was done for you:

1. Introduction: The wording on how Galloway Township is the largest municipality was edited to match what you wanted.

2. Township Manager: I deleted the date that he took office.

In return I ask the following of you:

1. Introduction: To keep the population changes out of the introduction paragraph as they are already greatly detailed in the demographics section.

2. Deputy Mayor: To keep the deputy mayor position in the info box. This position is extremely relevant in the Galloway Township article as the deputy mayor is given the same powers as mayor in Galloway Township under the township code.

This is likely the best compromise that we can both agree on. It is my hope that you will agree to it and leave the article as it currently is. If you have any further concerns please let me know.

Djbutala93 (talk) 22:27, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

CDP?
Hey..is Minotola, New Jersey a CDP or just a simple unincorporated area? Tinton5 (talk) 04:08, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I had also wondered, but per this source} it seems that it isn't. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn] (talk) 00:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Glen Rock High School
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Bishop George Ahr High School
I would like to discuss the inclusion of the "incident" or "controversy" sections of the Bishop George Ahr High School Wikipedia page.

Regarding this article and its subsequent edits: First, thank you for removing the original post that included names (circa May 2012). This was a violation of NJ State law regarding the State information act and specifically how it relates to the treatment of minors. Thank you, again.

The information regarding the Bishop Ahr swim coach should not have its own heading, and should not be listed on the school's main page. It was the act of an individual who was not acting on behalf of the school. If I were to attempt to post references to recent sexual incidents at neighboring schools on their respective Wikipedia pages, I would be told that this is not the place for such things, and would be repremanded or possibly blocked.

Because this incident did not play any role of significance in the founding, formation, or history of the school I ask that you allow the Wikipedia community to remove or edit it as they see fit - in this case, it should be removed as have been all mentions of similar cases from other Schools' pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcullinan (talk • contribs) 14:50, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Jehiel R. Elyachar
He is my grandfather and I was editing his page to correct it. The NY Times article you reference was outrageous and a letter was sent to the Times correcting it. Having seen untrue and disparaging "facts" on Wikipedia, I wanted them down immediately. And will continue to do so until only truthful details about his life are listed. Thank you for your understanding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JimmyDNYC (talk • contribs) 17:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
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Fair enough
Will try to document that element. Thanks for the input. --66.6.147.140 (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Protection of Bayonne
Sorry, I intended to protect it only from non-registered users. I've fixed that. Nightscream (talk) 21:37, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Parsippany
Your edit of Parsippany was incorrect. John Cesaro has not been a Councilman since June. James Vigilante filled his seat until Nelson won the election on Nov. 6. He became a Councilman immediately as this was a special election for an unexpired term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kishkeking (talk • contribs) 05:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry
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New Jersey Municipality Demographics
Hi, it's been some time (months or so) since discussion about including same-sex and opposite-sex demographic data within New Jersey's demographics template for all NJ municipality articles, similarly to all California municipality articles. The discussion must be archived, but you had mentioned you would work on it and give an update. Just want to know, are you still working on it, or should I seek direction from another editor? This is too vital to dismiss or defer any longer, thanks. 173.63.176.93 (talk) 02:51, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Why bother?
This edit, not unlike the one described above or many other of your recent edits, added spaces in a header. These spaces add nothing for a reader of the article, who sees the title exactly the same way. Nor does it add anything for an editor looking at the article. Wikipedia's resources are wasted to handle and process an edit that adds nothing for no one, and for editors looking at the article who need to figure out what has been done to the article, our time is wasted trying to figure out why anyone would bother making an edit fgor no purpose whatsoever. My general rule is that I will only make purely cosmetic changes if I am also making some constructive edit to the same article. So many of the articles that you have edited would benefit from real improvements -- adding new material, adding / updating references or copyediting the text -- that any resources devoted to adding needless addition of spaces only adds to one's edit count but detracts from real opportunities to improve the encyclopedia. Alansohn (talk) 18:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what your point is. So, I will ask for clarification.  It sounds like you are saying that my 6 years and my 38,000 edits on Wikipedia have all been non-constructive.  Did I understand your post correctly?  Let me know.  Thanks.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No. You didn't understand my post correctly. I was rather specific about asking for an explanation of this edit, which added a few spaces and carriage returns to an article, without any text changed in the article whatsoever. Let's deal with that one first, and if I have any further questions about the other 37,999 we can address those edits later. Alansohn (talk) 03:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification! Actually, I just re-read your post (several times).  Please re-read it yourself.  Never once did you ask for any explanations at all (much less, ask for "rather specific" explanations).  Thanks.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The title for the question is "Why bother?" and the first two words are "This edit" with a link to a specific edit. The question -- which involved connecting the title to the text -- is "why bother making edits, such as the specific one in question, that make purely cosmetic changes that are mostly or entirely invisible to anyone reading the article?" Any explanation would be appreciated. Alansohn (talk) 15:35, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello. Sorry that it took me a while to reply.  Sometimes, I make edits that are substantive.  Sometimes, I make edits that are cosmetic.  It depends on many different factors and whatever my agenda is at that time.  Apparently, in the days to which you are referring, I had made a lot of cosmetic changes.  Furthermore, I do not employ the same modus operandi that you employ.  That is, I subscribe to a different editing philosophy than do you.  Namely, I do not "wait" until I have a substantive edit to make, in order to proceed with a cosmetic edit.  I will simply go ahead and reserve some time and effort to strictly cosmetic edits.  Also, I am a strong believer that "blank white space" and "blank carriage returns" serve a very useful purpose within a Wikipedia article.  I am aware that these do not appear to the reader.  But, they do appear to the editor who is editing the article.  And, having "blank white space" and "carriage returns" does indeed serve a purpose to the editing editor (as opposed to the reader).  It is my philosophy that the purpose is not only cosmetic, but also functional.  Thanks.  Let me know if any further questions.  Please reply at my Talk Page.  Thanks.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Princeton
Since you seem knowledgeable, let me ask you. In less than 2 months, the two municipalities are to become one. Yet, very little is said of the merger. Is the township annexing the borough, or will the consolidated Princeton be given a new municipal title (like Town or Village or City) as per NJ municipal nomenclature?

Who will be the mayor of the united Princeton, the current township mayor, the current borough mayor, or will they have to elect a new mayor?

None of this is discussed in the media, so I'm picking your brain as NJ municipalities are your area of interest. Any info appreciated. 98.221.141.21 (talk) 05:56, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I was just wading through the articles for both Princetons and I agree that the lack of public details is quite surprising given that the change will take effect in six weeks. The web site for Transition Task Force Consolidation of Princeton Borough & Township appears to have the most detailed information, but it seems that the most useful information is in articles linked on the media page. I hope this helps and I will continue to look for resources better documenting the municipal organizational details that muni-geeks like me (and fellow sufferers with the same symptoms) would appreciate. Alansohn (talk) 15:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

DRV
Would you please remove the turkey. It is not appropriate. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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Neptunes
Cities that have the word "Township" in them are often referred to in shorthand without that word, which is why a reference in cited sources to "Neptune" probably refers to Neptune Township. North Bergen Township is another example. That latter word is indeed part of its name, but no one in NB or all of Hudson County, in the 40 years I've lived here, refers to it as "North Bergen Township". I doubt any significant number of them even know that that word is part of its official.

Conversely, cities that have the word "city" in their name are generally not, in my observation, referred to without that word. I've never heard Carson City, Nevada, Iowa City, Iowa, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, etc. referred to without the word "city". Another example, of course, is Union City, New Jersey and Union, New Jersey.

For this reason, I believe that references to to Neptune City in the sources are referring, of course, to that specific city, while those to "Neptune" are referring to Neptune Township, including Danny DeVito and Nicole Atkins, whose album, Neptune City, I believe, does not necessarily refer to where she's from. Rather, I removed the passage that asserted this, in part because the cited source doesn't reference her album, or the derivation of its name. The passage appeared to be an assumption; Bruce Springsteen, Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett, after all, are not from Philadelphia, New York City or San Francisco, respectively, despite singing songs with whose titles reference those cites. The main reason I think Atkins from Neptune Township is because two of the three sources cited for her residence both refer to merely "Neptune". While one of them does say "Neptune City", I think this is a mistake, because in one of the first two, Atkins is quoted herself saying "Neptune". Just as I never refer to my home town of Union City as "Union", I don't think she'd refer to her home as "Neptune" if she were from Neptune City. Some of this is admittedly guesswork and surmising, but most of it is based on sourcing and I think reasonable interpretations thereof. Let me know if you're okay with this. Nightscream (talk) 20:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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Nelson Albano
You are editing the assemblyman's page by removing factual information that has a reliable source.

What is your motive by hiding such information? 98.221.141.21 (talk) 13:01, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * As explained in the edit summary and on the talk page of the user who made the edit, the material added to the article was cut-and-pasted from a newspaper article. As per Wikipedia policy, all material must be written in the editor's own words and based on a reliable and verifiable source. As both of these requirements were not met, the material was removed. If rewritten, the details could be reinserted into the article. Alansohn (talk) 00:15, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

United States
Remember that we are supposed to make links that are relevant to the context; it's just like linking years in articles about dates. To quote WP:OVERLINK, the name of the country in which a place is located is "particularly relevant to the topic of the article" when the article is about a place. Nyttend (talk) 03:26, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I just quoted you one bit of support; as I already told you, the country in which a place is located is highly relevant to that place. By your logic, we shouldn't link to the United States anywhere, because the country is just as relevant to the locality as it is to the state.  You've provided as good an argument for removing the link from New Jersey as you have from this article: if we mustn't link it from the municipality, it's not appropriate to link it from the state, either.  Moreover, note that the vast majority of US place articles have linked to the country since early in their histories (before they did, they generally didn't mention the country at all); because policies follow common practices, the vast majority of pages of a certain type cannot be at variance with policies that are derived from community consensus.  Nyttend (talk) 04:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

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Why did you bring up Garfield when the category is for Heathcliff? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 07:57, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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Your edits to Galloway Township, NJ
Could you please offer an explanation as to why you undid my edits?

I can see that there is a conflict with the location of the surrounding municipalities in the geo table. I have given you the following link to look over to confirm that their location was correct as I put it:

http://www.gallowaytwp-nj.gov/gis/GallowayStreetMap.pdf

Also, I see that you deleted the notable resident that I added last night, this article confirms the valid claim that he was a resident:

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/galloway-township-resident-nicky-scarfo-jr-others-indicted-on-racketeering/article_51acbf16-048b-11e1-8950-001cc4c03286.html

Please look over the links and comment on any ideas you may have. I will revert the changes to what I had.

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DYK for Karl Towns
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Articles for deletion/Elmhurst Community Prep
There is no district article to redirect to, could you please take a look and possibly change/update your comment to reflect what was revealed? '''<span title="Shoot!" style="font-family: Mono; Cursor: crosshair;">-- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Riley_Huntley/You_missed! Cheers, ] Ri l ey   ''' 00:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Just FYI
In that discussion—you know the one I think—you recently stated that "Good Olfactory could have asked uninvolved admins to investigate the suspected sockpuppet in early December". The discussion is closed now, but I just wanted to let you know that I did do so shortly after my question was posted at User talk:Buck Winston. I contacted several admins via email who I thought were investigating the issue and I shared my vague suspicions. At that stage I had seen very few of Buck Winston's edits. Anyway, I also did some work for them comparing historical edits using some tools. Just thought you'd like to know that it wasn't exactly how you presented it. (Or maybe not!—Whatever!) Thanks for reading, Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:21, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Alan, about a year ago...
I got into long debates with more experienced Wikipedians about the whole issue of quoting. And they kind of persuaded me to try to keep quotes short and sweet. It didn't matter much whether the quotes were in the "quote" section of a reference; the idea was to try, as best we can, to respect copyrighted material, and I have come around to accepting their way of looking at things. That is, Wikipedia could possibly take a NY Times article, and quote it verbatim, at length, and publish it for everybody -- but you might see how this is ripping them off in a way, since they worked hard to get the information, and hope that they have a right to publish it, and make money from it. And we can quote it provided that we use just the minimal amount necessary. So, just a-saying.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:40, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, Alan, one other thing: happy New Year!!!--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:41, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

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Township??
I'm curious as to why a self-proclaimed "munigeek" would deliberately mislead readers by labeling the newly-created Princeton as a township when it's actually a borough. Yes, you linked it to borough, but you wrote in township. Misleading and inappropriate. Some people may be confused by nomenclature. True, the new borough is not the same entity as the old borough, as the old borough and township were dissolved and superseded. However, it is a borough nonetheless.

Now, what's the plan for the old borough and township articles? I feel that the two old articles should be kept but they should be gutted and be no more than a paragraph explaining that they ceased to exist Jan 1, 2013, and contain the final census info. That seems to be the protocol with other former municipalities, like Pahaquarry and Island Beach.

Also, can someone upload a new map on the Princeton page that shows the newly-formed borough instead of the old township? Thanks. 98.221.141.21 (talk) 06:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * When I updated the article for Princeton, New Jersey, I had copied in the settlement infobox and lead paragraph from the article for Princeton Township, New Jersey, carefully correcting all of the mentions of "township" to "borough". Unfortunately, I missed one. The situation is already confusing enough, and my error didn't help even if it was quickly corrected. I agree that the articles for the former borough and township should remain using the model of Pahaquarry, Island Beach and many other such defunct municipalities. A discussion regarding a possible merge of these articles is underway at Talk:Princeton, New Jersey. I have received some assistance from a map geek in the recent past and I will ask for a new map, though, in retrospect, a map that shows the outlines of the former township surrounding the former borough does provide useful information to readers that does include the borders of the new consolidated municipality. Thanks for all of the feedback and suggestions. Alansohn (talk) 15:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope I didn't come off as too confrontational, it was an honest question. One more thing on the maps.  I agree the old maps are useful and should indeed be kept in the old articles.  While a map showing the former municipalities might seem informational in the new article, I think the convention with other municipalities is to show the map of the current municipality as it exists.  I guess it'll take some time as the towns of just recently merged.  Thank you.  98.221.141.21 (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The new year always brings a crop of changes, but the added details of the Princeton merge have been quite challenging. I saw you chimed in on the merge of the articles, and we will be able to beef up the new Princeton article and trim the old borough and township articles in the ensuing days and weeks. I agree that a map of the consolidated municipality would be preferable. Alansohn (talk) 05:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
Dear Alan, as one of the most active editors, this article has been speedily deleted due to this reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanj8999 (talk • contribs) 06:29, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Category:American actresses
I followed up on your view that Category:American actresses should be recreated as expressed at CfD. Someone has now tried to do a speedy delete on the category. I have contested the speedy deletion. I am not sure having multiple people contest it is worth while, but I thought you would want to know about this development.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that multiple uncoordinated efforts are unlikely to be effective and I will monitor and participate as appropriate. Alansohn (talk) 17:23, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A new speedy request has been put up, where they seem to be implying I should have tried to get the deletion overturned. They might have a point, but I figured since we were more than a month removed from the deletion, just recreating the category was the easiest move.  I did not even know it was possible to do another speedy request after the first was declined.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * pbp has also decided to include my creation of this category as one of his attack points in the RfC/U he has filed against me. I am still trying to figure out how it is problematic to create a clealry acceptable subcategory of Category:Actresses by nationality when a CfD just closed saying that Category:Actresses by nationality was an acceptable category.  pbp is really getting on my nerves, and I am trying to avoid getting into a needless fight with him.  However I really wish someone would point out that his attacks on me are uncalled for, especially in light of the fact I am clearly following the results of the most recent CfD.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Vineland Borough and Consistency
Since the Princeton consolidation is the first merger since Vineland Borough and Landis Township in 1952, and since the consensus seems to be to keep the articles for both of the former Princetons, then shouldn't Vineland Borough get its own article, just as Landis Township has its own?

I understand much of the history is covered in the current article for Vineland City, but since Vineland City is not the continuation of the borough, but rather a consolidation of the now-defunct borough and Landis township, shouldn't there be a short article for the borough alone? As in, "Vineland Borough was a borough that existed from 1880 until its consolidation with Landis Twp to form the City of Vineland"?

There's no rush, just something to think about as the details are hammered out with the Princeton situation in the coming weeks. I'm asking you because I saw that you created the Landis Twp. article. 98.221.141.21 (talk) 06:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The analysis is correct and the changes have been made. See Vineland Borough, New Jersey. I also added some population statistics for Landis Township, New Jersey and reflected in the Landis Township and Vineland, New Jersey articles that the 1952 merger combined Landis Township and Vineland Borough to form Vineland City, more accurately corresponding to the planned retention of slimmed-down (but not gutted) articles for Princeton Borough and Princeton Township. Alansohn (talk) 22:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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Drew University cleanup
Any suggestions on how to best cleanup the mess at Category:Drew University people? It's amazing what a well-intentioned person can do with the most basic tools available to a Wikipedia editor to create a gigantic mess. Alansohn (talk) 22:43, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * There was discussion at Talk:Drew University about creating a unified category for faculty, alumni, and university presidents. I see no advantage of having a separate category for each one. DavidinNJ (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Alansohn, I think all we can do is re-categorize the articles individually. We could use a bot to merge all the articles into the alumni category and then weed out the faculty articles (or do it vice versa), but I'm not sure if that would save any time or not? Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

List
Hi Alansohn. As a participant in this recent category deletion discussion, your input on this related list deletion discussion would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 19:14, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Macumba Station
Thanks for doing the review for my DYK nomination, keep up the good work Hughesdarren (talk) 23:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Proving ground


The article Proving ground has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Dicdef and list, unsourced since forever. Doesn't seem convertible to an encyclopedic article.

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