User talk:Alansohn/Archive 24

DYK for Gerta Keller
Number 473 (346 create/expand - 127 nominations)

DYK for Pedro Espada, Jr.
Number 474 (347 create/expand - 127 nominations)

DYK for 2009 New York State Senate Leadership Crisis
Number 475 (347 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Established Editors
Discussion of objectives here. Peter Damian (talk) 20:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Alan Berkman
Number 476 (348 create/expand - 128 nominations)

coronado, ca
stop reverting my edit. i rephrased it to make it come from a neutral point of view. Also, I live in this town and you dont so I know whats going on here more than you do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.47.98 (talk) 13:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You must add a reliable and verifiable source (from book, newspaper or magazine) to support your claim. The fact that you live there does not make you a reliable source per Wikipedia standards and will be removed. Alansohn (talk) 13:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Coronado's 4th of July Parade is a real treat for the entire family.
why dont you remove this line from the article as well?; as it is unsourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.47.98 (talk) 13:34, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

coronado, ca
i do not think they will scrutinize content about widespread weed smoking. but revert if you must. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.47.98 (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Category request for deletion
Hi. It's been a while. I've never encountered this on Wikipedia before, but I found a category (and henceforth its subcategories) that I would like to request for deletion. The parent category is Category:African American sportspeople and then all of its subcategories too. My reasons for this are basically similar in nature to the few who have already discussed it on the talk page. Do you share these views? If so, could you request these categories for deletion? I'm not sure of that process. Thanks. -Jrcla2 01:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Caprivi Conflict
No worries, thanks for your understanding. 62.72.110.11 (talk) 13:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your (the IP's) edit was unconstructive. Not everything backed by sources is indeed true. The Caprivi conflict is over, and there is no independent state there. --Pgallert (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

All things New Jersey
Just a quick hi to say that I'm delighted you're watching the Wildwoods article, as well. Although I'm a Montrealer, most of my family lives in Jersey. Growing up, it was like a second home to me. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I try to watch all of the New Jersey articles, appreciative for any updates and improvements, and doing my best to clean out vandalism. Thanks for the note. Alansohn (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Did You Know question
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Art LaPella (talk) 05:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Arcamax Publishing
Hey, I don't know of any other way to get a hold of you. You edited out some comments I made on arcamax's entry. Now, I realize that they may have perhaps been a bit harsh. However, if you google the words spam and arcamax, you will see that the company does indeed deceive people into "subscribing" to their "newsletter". Seriously, I receive about four unsolicited emails a day from them. And I haven't been able to block them or even contact someone who would remove me from their "mailings". If you do not inform the public of their "business" practices, I will be forced to change the entry again. This time with ample citations. Contact me at shumich@lycoming.edu to let me know what you think about this "nonconstructive" company that harasses folk like myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shumich (talk • contribs)
 * On Wikipedia, our job is to provide material backed by reliable and verifiable sources. I don't doubt that Arcamax Publishing may well be sending spam to you, but this edit, where it is described as "Arcamax spam is worse than a bad case of the crabs." is pure opinion. If you can that as a quote from a newspaper or magazine it needs to be reliably sourced, but without that the edit was vandalism and was reverted. Alansohn (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for John Houghtaling
Number 477 (349 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for James F. Calvert
Number 478 (350 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Thanks
Thanks Alansohn, for reverting vandalism to my talk page. Cheers, JNW (talk) 13:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * And userpage, etc. Cheers, JNW (talk) 13:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the least we can do to watch each other's backs, especially from persistent disruptive vandals like this one. Alansohn (talk) 13:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Philip D. Curtin
Number 479 (351 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Thanks!
Thanks for helping revert vandalism on Rushden Community College, your efforts are very much appreciated! ReformatMe (talk) 21:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It is amazing how deliberately disruptive vandals can be, and I did my best to root out any vandalism in this article. It's the least I can do. Alansohn (talk) 03:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Whitelaw Reid (journalist)

 * Thanks for the recognition! I have a lot of fun creating these articles, filling in a hole while learning about a fascinating individual. Alansohn (talk) 03:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Manhattan GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Manhattan for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since you are a main contributor of the article (determined based on this tool), I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 19:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This is an article that is almost impossible to maintain at the highest standards, given constant changes. The issues raised are all largely cosmetic, and I will do my best to address them as soon as possible. Alansohn (talk) 21:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, if you need assistance or need an extension, let me know. I'll check on the page in a week. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 23:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Hanrahan
Number 480 (352 create/expand - 128 nominations)

The "Otto Test"
It was obvious from the discussion here that you (who I don't recall interacting with before) and this Otto guy (and I don't know him either) have some history together. Being a bit curious I delved through some old CfD stuff and boy was I richly rewarded. In particular the whole business with Category:LGBT-related_television_episodes was milk-out-of-my-nose funny. I haven't laughed so hard in weeks. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Haukur (talk) 00:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks?!? I was dragged into the world of CfD after a category I had been involved with was proposed for deletion. One day I hope to inject a rather small does of consistency in the way rules are applied. Thanks for your note and for the small dose of enjoyment that you may have inadvertently received. Alansohn (talk) 01:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. Also, your hard work on Wikipedia is greatly appreciated by many editors.-- The Legendary   Sky Attacker  05:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you once more.-- The Legendary   Sky Attacker  20:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest May (historian)
Number 481 (353 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Thank You
Thank you very much for creating Ernest May (historian). As a historian by training who works in foreign policy, I have been greatly influenced by May's work and have long wished to get around to creating an Ernest May article. Thank you for finally doing it. --Xtreambar (talk) 15:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I am deeply touched by your kind words. As a rather unprofessional (or is it nonprofessional) historian, I keep an eye on the obituary pages and the Deaths in 2009 article to see if there are holes for people who should have articles. While I was only vaguely familiar with May's works before his death, the ample material about May and his rather interesting background led me to create the article. Please update and expand, as I am sure is necessary. Your note was very much appreciated. Alansohn (talk) 16:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Just Demonstrating the Qualtiy Control
Just demonstrating to a coworker how efficient the antigraffiti squad is. Plus.. that poltician really is what it said :P 12.52.96.200 (talk) 20:30, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an unsourced attack and constitutes vandalism. Alansohn (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Kate Claxton
Very nice work you did to the article Kate Claxton. The reference you gave: Notable American Women I have seen before and is more desirable than mine which is from the print version. Therefore, I intend to remove my version but the question I have is should we include the person, Pat M. Ryan, credited at the end of the article for the contribution? Further, do you know if this circumstance is addressed by Wikipedia anywhere? Thanks again. Daytrivia (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I did notice that the title of the source was the same, but the presence of a different author led me to question if we might well be dealing with two different editions of the same book. I don't know if there is a policy to address this situation, and what should be done regarding Ryan. Alansohn (talk) 20:04, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced Character Bios (BlazBlue)
I will delete the characters section (...I will leave the names up) unless anyone can tell me EXACTLY where this information is coming from. (especially Ragna the Bloodege's). This is not a threat or vandelism, it is to further Wikipedia's honesty. It is your own fault if taken as a threat.Zekami (talk) 17:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I know nothing about the characters, but I do know that there are problems with multiple edits in succession removeing content from articles. Please discuss at the article's talk page and make sure to use an edit summary in all of your edits, being extremely careful to do so when you are removing content. Alansohn (talk) 22:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Huggle question
Do you have Huggle? How do you get it running? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  20:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I use Huggle all the time. 9.1 had a bug with the standard feed that is fixed in 9.2 Download the new version and the problems should disappear. Alansohn (talk) 20:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

This is the first time I've done it. Wait, second time. The first time it ended with me hitting myself with a trout because I could find anyone to help me. But now I do, so I can put the trout up. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  20:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It always pays to keep a trout available nearby for self-flagellation purposes. Let me know if I can help with this or anything else. Alansohn (talk) 20:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Wait, It's still not working. I'm not sure if I was clear, and I appologise if I wasn't clear. This is the first time I've gotten this far in starting it. How do you get it started? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  20:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What happens when you click on Huggle and try to log in? Alansohn (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, let me get my words straight. How do you log on? I am sorry for the disruption. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Once you download the application, double click on it to start it up and bring up the log in screen, where you type in your Wikipedia ID and password. Alansohn (talk) 21:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Where do you click? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Whenever I download a new version, it always puts an icon on my desktop. Alansohn (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Huh, it didn't on mine. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Search to see where Huggle placed the files it downloaded. I'll be out for the next few hours, but let me know how it goes. Alansohn (talk) 21:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It says it can't be run in DOS mode. What should I do? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * DOS mode!? No wonder you're having problems... What OS do you have? Until It Sleeps Wake me 02:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, but if it helps, I'm working on a Macbook. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  14:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Check on the WP:HUGGLE pages for Mac compatability. Huggle/Wine lays out the details for how to run on non-Windows systems. Alansohn (talk) 18:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that the DOS thing is a message hardcoded into Windows executables in the assumption that any OS other than Windows must be DOS. It worked all right throughout all of the 90s.  In case that helps. --  Soap Talk/Contributions 21:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I had the same thought that the .exe assumed that any non-Windows environment must be DOS, regardless of what it really was. The Huggle info on non-Windows systems should help here. Alansohn (talk) 21:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: 50 DYK
Thank you! Of all the things to do at Wikipedia, writing new articles is what I enjoy most, and I truly appreciate the personal touch in your message. Best, –B LACK F ALCON  (T ALK ) 19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * If an article is kept based on my vote at AfD, we have only maintained the status quo. If I delete vandalism, I have made Wikipedia less bad. If I create an article, certainly one that is DYK-eligible, I have made Wikipedia a far better encyclopedia. I've been shooting for an average of one DYK article per day, and nothing makes me happier than to be able to expand or create a new article to fill in a hole that existed in Wikipedia. You're most welcome for the personal touch, and I sincerely hope that you will keep up the excellent articles you've been creating so far. Alansohn (talk) 20:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Education in New Jersey News
-- Carpet master 101  00:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Wayne L. Horvitz
Number 482 (354 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service (USA)
Number 483 (355 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Barnstar

 * Thanks for the recognition from a fellow DYKer. I sometimes feel like an ambulance chaser of some kind, or perhaps a hearse chaser, but I do check the obituary pages and recent deaths and see if there is information available to create an interesting article. An obituary usually provides an excellent overview of the individual's life that serves as a springboard to locate additional material to create decent articles. Thanks for the recognition and for all of your contributions! Alansohn (talk) 15:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Dasso
Number 484 (356 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Wenatchee Chiefs
Number 485 (357 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Montefiore synagogue

 * Lovely (as the Britis would say.) You think of the best  hooks.  I am grateful.Historicist (talk) 01:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome, though I was hoping for "smashing". Pip-pip and carry on. Alansohn (talk) 01:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Frank J. Low
Number 486 (358 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for John Callaway (journalist)
Number 487 (359 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Shi Pei Pu‎
Just wondering whether you are planning to nominate this one for a DYK - I am sure that there are several possible hooks. – ukexpat (talk) 19:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This article was made for DYK. I was surprised that the article didn't exists, and I want to devote enough time to a solid article. While I often have to work hard on a hook for many potential DYKs, my problem here is which one to use. Alansohn (talk) 19:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Revision to article
I recently made changes to two articles. Ritchie Neville and Emily Scott. The insertion of text from IP address 114.73.156.242 on 28th June 2009 is not the absolute facts. There is a court case regarding this issue pending and until such time this content needs to be removed as it is liable. Please contact me about this issue. I have never edited a wiki profile before so I apologise for not getting it right the first time, I didn't understand how it works. This information however, is not correct and because of the sensitivity of the issue it needs to be removed immediately. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.186.241 (talk) 23:33, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Please contact WP:OTRS about this issue.   — Jeff G. (talk&#124;contribs) 23:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Karine Ruby
Number 488 (360 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Morton Gottlieb
Number 489 (361 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Frank Ford (broadcaster)
Number 490 (362 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Irv Hall
Number 491 (363 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for William E. Simkin
Number 492 (364 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Alec Gallup
Number 493 (365 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Articles for deletion/Arlene White Lawrence
Hi Alansohn, I saw your and Uncle G's comments on this AfD and was wondering about the exact status of obituaries. I couldn't find anything on Notability (people) and would appreciate any direction you could give. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that there is anything anywhere that states explicitly that an obituary confers notability. But the statement at Notability (people) defining notability as coverage "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" is met by an obituary that covers the individual and their life, with the publication deeming the individual as worthy of attention. Alansohn (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Drmies (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Education in New Jersey Proposed conversion to a task force under WPNJ.
It has been proposed that WikiProject Education in New Jersey be made into a task force under WikiProject NJ. What do you think of the move?

Share your feelings here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.195.46 (talk) 00:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

David Friendland article
FYI, see this.  -shirulashem     (talk)   16:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I responded there and will do my best to expand the article. Alansohn (talk) 16:25, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Shelly Gross
Number 494 (366 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Lee Guber
Number 495 (367 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Valley Forge Music Fair
Number 496 (368 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Westbury Music Fair
Number 497 (369 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Ken Roberts (announcer)
I noticed your article described Roberts as announcing for Love of Life until 1971, but this closing from July 4, 1975 has his voice and name on it. Leaving it up to you what to do with this info. Mike H. Fierce! 05:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried my best to find sources, and this obit in The Washington Post was the source for the dates used for Love of Life. This would not be the first time that one source (or other material) contradicts another, and I will research further. For now, I think I have to stick with the published obit over a sound bite. Alansohn (talk) 15:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand your faithfulness to the reliable sources, but it's not as if that sound byte is lying or anything, surely you realize that. Mike H. Fierce! 00:32, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Johnny Sylvester
Number 498 (370 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Tommy Thevenow
Number 499 (371 create/expand - 128 nominations)

Hi Alansohn
I edited the Michael Bay article earlier today, and accidentally ended up redoing the edit I made after you deleted it. Anyway, I added a message on the history page stating that it was in error, but wanted to let you know here, as well. Sorry for the trouble...was having a bad day and took a odd way blowing off some steam. Thanks for the notices and keep up the good work!

Still Not a Michael Bay Fan,

That One Guy From 06/23/2009



New user. Not sure how to use this particular function, so I apologize if this is in the wrong place. This is regarding the Allison Quets entry. I have twice editing the entry requesting removal based on fairness and compassion to the children. I am not vandalizing but requesting a removal, so the children are protected and do not have to see these things when they grow. Barring removal of the entry, what about starting one for Kevin and Denise Needham, the couple who stalked Quets when she was ill and later found a corrupt attorney to help them kidnap the twins. If you look at the documents on the Quets site and court records, legal documents, it is clear the Needhams were filing to adopt the children (intent to adopt) without Allison even knowing.

The entry truly needs to come down, be substantiate, or be balanced with starting an entry on the actions and history of the Needhams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.137.130 (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Lee Guber
Hi. Congrats on getting this article to DYK. There is a wikilink in the article to Woodbury, New York, which is a dab-page with two possible targets. Do you know which is the correct one? -Lilac Soul (Talk • Contribs) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here! 08:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've disambiguated the entry. Thanks for the notification. Alansohn (talk) 21:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Fagged revisions
I assume that your comment here was a typo. Correction, given our combative history, would be a good idea. Otto4711 (talk) 09:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I see no issue. You're going to have to be a bit more specific. Alansohn (talk) 21:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Derzon
Number 500 (372 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for Montefiore Synagogue
Number 502 (373 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Togo Tanaka

 * Thanks for the recognition. Tanaka is the seemingly unbelievable story of the most loyal of Americans treated as a criminal because of his heritage and I was glad to have the opportunity to gather the article together. Alansohn (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Lou Forbes
Number 501 (373 create/expand - 128 nominations)

DYK for J. Curtis Counts
Number 503 (374 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Shi Pei Pu
Number 504 (375 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Thank you..
..for this. I appreciate it. t'shaél chat 04:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the least I can do for a fellow Wikipedian. Alansohn (talk) 03:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ken Roberts (announcer)
Number 505 (376 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Postlethwaite & Netterville
The article for Postlethwaite & Netterville is largely written as an advertising piece, and not as a neutral and objective article per the WP:NPOV standard. There are also no sources, per WP:RS and WP:V that demonstrate that the company meets the Wikipedia standard for notability. I have no doubt that the company exists, but the question of why the company should have an article needs to be answered. Alansohn (talk) 20:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

My Vandalism on the Bill O'Reilly Page
Excuse me, but Billy is a total tool. Reverting my vandalism wasn't necessary in the slightest. Tool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.214.189 (talk) 23:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

AntiSecurity.
My changes to the antisecurity movement page is not vandalism. The updates i made are more accurate than the ones that are listed. Please leave the changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whiteh8 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Aubrey Epps
Number 506 (377 create/expand - 129 nominations)

HOA definitions
Alansohn, I saw your comments regarding recent edits to the page. An article is not "biased" when providing multiple viewpoints. If an earlier author put "positive" comments supporting a "pro-HOA" position and you permit only those comments to remain then you are imposing bias on the article. A number of the statements in the definition/discussion were simply downright incorrect and misleading. It's also not clear why you would want to conceal the remarks that were made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.97.13.6 (talk) 06:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * See reply at user talk page. Alansohn (talk) 22:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for D. Mark Hegsted
Number 507 (378 create/expand - 129 nominations)

ANI notice
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Otto4711 (talk) 20:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Robert E. L. Taylor
Number 508 (379 create/expand - 129 nominations)
 * Gahhh... I'm over wellem at how many you have! Abce2 | Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  22:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sandra Warfield
Number 509 (380 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Paul Hemphill
Number 510 (381 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Hi
I edited New College Durham (largest toilet, Mister Doom etc) it is actually the truth why has it been removed and what is a level 2 warning. I AM NOT IMPRESSED!

bLANCHLAND BEAST —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blanchland (talk • contribs) 17:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Alansohn, about the Ninoy Aquino International Airport page, I deleted the 2006-2007 passenger volume sentence because of redundancy. As you can somewhere in the middle of that page, there is already a table reserved for passenger volume from 2003-2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markxvi (talk • contribs) 17:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

X-Y relations commenting on !votes moratorium.
I'd like to propose a voluntary moratorium on commenting on others people's !votes in bilateral relations AfDs. At this point, I don't think there's anything to be gained from such comments--obviously no one is convincing anyone--meanwhile, the acrimony rises and uninvolved editors are discouraged from weighing in. See this masterpiece for a prime example. So how about we just don't comment on each others' votes? This moratorium would not cover general comments, i.e. those which aren't indented under and/or in response to a specific !vote (e.g. ), but these should be kept to an absolute minimum. I intend invite all of the "usual suspects" to join this moratorium. I've missed someone, please invite them. Please discuss, and ideally note whether you intend to abide by this here. Thanks. Yilloslime T C  17:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

More Than Weird
Hi Alansohn! I wrote a page about a young adult novel called more than weird. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_than_weird Could you edit it please? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 23:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Togo Tanaka
Number 511 (382 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for You Chung Hong
Number 512 (383 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Art Mahaffey
Number 513 (384 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Oscar F. Mayer
Number 514 (385 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Oscar G. Mayer, Sr.
Number 515 (386 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Oscar G. Mayer, Jr.
Number 516 (387 create/expand - 129 nominations)

University of Dallas
Here you go http://www.udallas.edu/advancement/pr.cfm?NewsArticleID=4027&Cat=FA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.217.15.86 (talk) 02:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

It isn't public, that is why I am publishing it here. The university will never publish this information on their official website. Students know this. That is why they look to wikipedia for the real scoop. Can I give you the email address of a university official who is aware of these facts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.217.15.86 (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Please refrain from deleting my additions to the University of Dallas' page. These additions are important. Please understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.217.15.86 (talk) 02:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Monasteries by country name chages
Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_July_11 passed yesterday, thanks.

The remaining monasteries by country categories are nominated for the same name change here, if you care to vote again. User talk:CarlaudeUser talk:Carlaude 08:31, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Rangeblock please?
User:172.129.57.109

Thanks. --76.117.164.50 (talk) 02:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

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Academies at Englewood
I'm trying to figure out why this help desk question was asked. It seems to have something to do with a move which was immediately followed by this edit. An IP restored approximately the same amount of content that was removed earlier (after improvements) and you essentially reverted that action. — Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , there had been an edit war (of a kind) as to whether Dwight Morrow High School and the Academies at Englewood should be two separate articles or if they should both be covered within a single Dwight Morrow article. Even within Wikipedia attribution is required, and this issue often arises when an article is split, as the material moved from article A to article B has no history to demonstrate its provenance. For several weeks, the articles were being shifted back and forth, renamed, split, merged and material was removed and reinserted. While this was happening, copyright issues (or the appearance thereof) may have been created. That's my understanding of what happened. The battle there was so hot and heavy that I had basically stepped away, assuming that the pieces could be picked up later; I will take a look at the articles in question when I have a chance to do so. Alansohn (talk) 22:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I didn't know where to find a description of what the person was asking about.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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Ludicrous?
I saw your description of my edit as ludicrous. I'm going to put aside that you are violating the rules, insulting me, not discussing, not showing good faith, and that you gave you no justification, rational or irrational, for your revert. Your revert amounts to inventing your own rules. So let me tell you a few things about musicians, particularly jazz musicians. They lead peripatetic lives. Their income relies on performing. Most jazz musicians live in New York City because it has many if not the most jazz clubs and venues. When they are not in New York, they are travelling all over the world. So there's no point in saying "he lives in" or "based in". We already have birth place in the infobox. Why do you need more than that? Are you helping a stalker? Second, because they are usually on the road, it's impossible to say where they are right now. Third, what's the point of knowing that? Fourth, it's no one's business. You don't believe in privacy? OK, well, that's a sign of the times, I guess. The generations that grew up with the internet seem not to appreciate it. It used to be a self-evident truth that privacy was a good thing. It used to be a rule at Wikipedia that we err on the side of privacy. In the future, explain your edits and avoid the insults, treat people with respect—editors and subjects of articles. In the future, click on my name so you can learn something about the subject and so you can see that I know what I'm doing. Vmavanti (talk) 00:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC) Vmavanti (talk) 01:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , people live somewhere; that's where they're from, especially when that information is backed by reliable and verifiable sources about the individual and where they live. Your pathetic excuse for deletion of sourced content was that listing his residence was an "invasion of privacy", which is based on your own manufactured ideas. Your nonsense about "helping a stalker" is belied by the fact that the sources are public and readily available to anyone, anywhere. I encourage you to find anybody to go along with you and seek to change consensus that people can only be identified by their birthplace. Your position here is patently ludicrous. Alansohn (talk) 01:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You continue to break the rules and express yourself in an extremely offensive way. I'm going to tell an admin that you are obsessed with finding the location of these black jazz musicians. What your further plans are I don't know, but it certainly is weird. Birthplace in the infobox is enough. It's enough for everyone else. Why not you? The only other thing I can think of, which I have also encountered here, is you know this person or perhaps he is from your hometown and you are doing some boostering for your hometown. That's a generous view. Either way, stop being obnoxious and leave these people alone. If you are new, you have a lot to learn bout how to be a decent editor on Wikipedia.
 * , please do. Please go and "tell an admin" that I am "obsessed with finding the location of these black jazz musicians", which I am doing as part of a process that I call "finding reliable and verifiable sources about their place of residence". You have a lot to learn about how Wikipedia works. Alansohn (talk) 02:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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Any Recommendation ?
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Bancroft The Phantom School
I believe phantom school is the best way to describe the situation. I think that because if you were to visit it you would think in most parts that students could pour out the door at any moment. I would like to ask have you ever visited it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew T Coleman (talk • contribs) 16:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't need to visit and a visit would make no difference. What's needed is reliable and verifiable sources describing it as a phantom school. Alansohn (talk) 16:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I have changed the vocabulary so it is no longer an issue. Also, use google earth and you will see what I mean. But it is no longer important — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew T Coleman (talk • contribs) 18:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. Alansohn (talk) 13:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

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Mistaken rollback
Did you mean to do this rollback?

Sdrqaz (talk) 03:05, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , no, I didn't. The pace of vandalism is challenging my ability to keep track of these rollbacks. Thanks for fixing my error and for asking. Alansohn (talk) 03:10, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not a problem! The original vandalising IP actually beat me to it, reverting their own vandalism. Strange. Anyways, it was a little messy, with two vandalising editors taking turns. Anyways, happy editing! Sdrqaz (talk) 03:15, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you've seen the discussion at WP:ANI about the spamming of notable people sections, the pattern of vandalism makes some sort of bizarre sense. Again, thanks for doublechecking my edit. Alansohn (talk) 03:18, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for cluing me in. I reverted a spate of them on Saturday, but didn't think much of it. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the Keep vote
For Sayanim (Mossad). It is not anti-semantic.

Sources: Thomas, Gordon (19 November 2015). Gideon's Spies: Mossad's Secret Warriors. Pan Macmillan. ISBN 978-0330375375.

Thomas, Gordon (17 February 2010). "Mossad's licence to kill". Daily Telegraph.

Richelson, Jeffrey T. (15 February 2007). "The Mossad Imagined: The Israeli Secret Service in Film and Fiction". pp. 138. Digital object identifier:10.1080/08850600600889431.

Dajani, Jamal (6 December 2017). "Mossad's Little Helpers". Huffington Post.

Hallel, Amir (1 October 2004). "At home with the Mossad men". New Zealand Herald.

"What if they are innocent?". The Guardian. 17 April 2009.

All in the article. I have no inclination to vote there. I busted my time researching and it goes to afd?!

BlueD954 (talk) 03:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I read the article, I reviewed all of the sources (including the ones you've cited from the article and those I found in Google searches), I supported the article for retention and it looks like the battle is lost. It appears that folks have decided to delete the article based entirely on misinterpretation and misrepresentation. The material can be added into the article for Mossad. I can't blame you for your frustration. Alansohn (talk) 03:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * They are uneducated. BlueD954 (talk) 06:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Total idiots deleted it.BlueD954 (talk) 14:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

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Ozone Park, Queens
Jamaica is a middle-class neighborhood in the New York City borough of Queens. It is mainly composed of a large commercial and retail area, though part of the neighborhood is also residential. Jamaica is home to large African American and Caribbean populations. Jamaica is bordered by Hollis to the east; St. Albans, Springfield Gardens, Rochdale Village to the southeast; South Jamaica to the south; Richmond Hill and South Ozone Park to the west; Briarwood to the northwest; and Kew Gardens Hills, Jamaica Hills, and Jamaica Estates to the north. The Ozone Park you're looking for, formally Canarsie, no longer is mapped. CaptJayRuffins (talk)
 * , Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, let alone to insist that the omission of Ozone Park, Queens from a mention in neighborhoods bordering Jamaica means that Ozone Park no longer exists, let alone the assertion that it has turned into Canarsie, Brooklyn. See this article for confirmation that Ozone Park both exists as an independent neighborhood and that it is still very much part of Queens. Alansohn (talk) 20:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct, I'm in a early history phase and am stuck on Flushing & Jamaica. The actress is from Starrett City, In Ozone Park. My Bad.CaptJayRuffins (talk)

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Garden State Plaza
Alan, apart from the issue of citation styles, you have removed valid citations from the article, and replaced them with ones that are are not in any way superior. For example, in this revert of yours, among the things you did was to remove this quite valid NorthJersey.com citation, and replace it with this signup pages to Newspapers.com, which does not bear the same information. Can you please tell me why you keep doing this?

Second, with regard to WP:CITEVAR, that policy states change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change. Isn't this exactly what you have done? There are cite templates all over that article, you persistently remove them, and without discussion. Why is this? Do you believe there is an "established" citation style in the article? If so, what is it? What is your rationale for this? Nightscream (talk) 05:10, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Nightscream is correct. What you're doing is the violation of CITEVAR. Bringing a single ref inline with the rest of the article's established citation style is not a violation of CITEVAR, but changing the entire citation style, as you have done, is. And frankly, taking refs that are already rendered with templates out of them is a straight-up crappy CITEVAR violation. Knock it off, and respect the established citation style of the article, or I'm bringing you to ANI. oknazevad (talk) 13:48, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * and, as one of the earliest contributors to the article for Garden State Plaza some 15 years ago, I followed and helped to continue to establish the consistent citation style used in the article. Over the subsequent years, numerous editors have made additions that conflict with this consistent citation style, and other editors have made edits that consist entirely of changes to this consistent citation style, as seen in this edit. Where I have made changes, they have been as part of comprehensive edits to the article and have either been to restore the status quo ante as the reference had been inserted or to replace a non-functional source with one that works. I had checked the source before I made this edit that Nightscream questioned at which point the Internet Archive link was not working, which is the only reason I replaced it.Changing citation styles is not only purposeless, it conflicts with policy, which is clear that no one citation style is "better" than another. Alansohn (talk) 13:57, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Regarding the Internet Archive not working, replacing it with a signup page at Newspapers.com is not appropriate.


 * The fact that you edited the article years ago does not mean that there is an "established" citation style in the article, in light of the fact that the article is filled with both templated citations and non-templated citations. You simply took a citation out of a template, not any of the others in the article, an act for which there is no apparent purpose or reason.


 * Moreover, it has been my observation that wikification tends to favor placing bare citations into templates, and not the other way around. I have never observed bare citations referred to as a "style".


 * You have two editors now who have argued against your edits, and it seems that you are reverting against both of them, and in the middle of an ongoing discussion. Do you intend to continue reverting if I restore the cites in question? Or do you prefer to continue this discussion with more editors participating? Nightscream (talk) 16:36, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , if I have "removed" sources, it is because the exiting references were non-functional or did not cover the material they claimed to be sourcing. If an edit I made inadvertently removed a source, the rather simple solutions are to let me know or to reinsert the source., on the other hand, if you're citing this malicious edit, which removed extensive sourced content, as an example of a "an ongoing discussion", there is something completely f'ed up here, as that edit was the very definition of WP:POINT. Alansohn (talk) 17:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I am not. I provided the diff of the edit I was citing above. The citation in question indeed supported that material.


 * As I stated above, that webpage works perfectly fine, whereas the Newspapers.com signup page you replaced it with does not. Are you going to fix that? Do you intend to continue reverting against the two editors now who have opposed your edits? Nightscream (talk) 20:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , I confirmed that the Internet Archive version of the link is working and reinserted the reference in the format in which it was added to the article, with the replacement of the archived version of the link for the original link, which is no longer functioning. Again, if you believe that this malicious edit, which removed extensive sourced content, is part of "an ongoing discussion", there is something seriously wrong here. Alansohn (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

NOTEE: The above discussion has been continued on the Garden State Plaza talk page. Nightscream (talk) 02:02, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

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Sadie Sink
Pretty sure she's going to, or attended, Summit High School in Summit NJ; but getting a solid reference, haven't found one, so I'm fine with leaving your deletion out for the time being.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 10:42, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , you know Summit better than do, but I see nothing in her article and nothing in a Google search to make the connection. Alansohn (talk) 13:26, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes there are no official WP:RS type sources, but I'm 90% sure she's going to Summit High School. When the Sadie link first appeared, I did some checking and did find a source, but unofficial. Maybe her agent/family etc are trying to downplay where she lives. I'm fine with keeping her out of the Summit page for now.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:11, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , let's let the sources -- or their absence -- speak for themselves. Alansohn (talk) 14:23, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm saying. We can put her back when sources become available.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 14:37, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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Eatontown edits
Hi Alan, thanks for reviewing my edits to the Eatontown page. Concerning the Mill Pond, I have no idea where this is and I've lived in Eatontown since 1987. I am not able to access the source that you reference from the Asbury Park Press. Can you send me the info regarding Mill Pond.? I'm at sfratini@hotmail.com. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfratini33 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , if this makes no sense, I'll drilldown further and share an image of the article. I searched as hard as I could to find a reliable and verifiable source that mention the mill being in Wampum Memorial Park, but I found nothing. Alansohn (talk) 17:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Alan, I appreciate your help. It may be that someone just decided to make a general reference to the "mill pond" that Thomas Eaton originally used for his mill, but I'm almost certain this is now Wampum Lake Park. If you go to Google maps, and go to Wampum Lake, you'll see where the lake is constricted and the flows into Wampum Brook. That constriction is in fact the small water fall. You can even see it if you go to street level view. I've been there many times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfratini33 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , This source from a book dated in 2013 connects Eaton and what was known as Mill Brook to the Wampum Brook, but it doesn't say that the 1670 grist mill was in the present-day park. It's just weird to be unable to find any source that ties the pivotal 1670 founding event to Wampum Lake Park in a reliable and verifiable reference. Alansohn (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Alan, The problem is that "Mill Pond" will confuse people since this is not an existing term used in the town or or the map. There is but one waterfall in Eatontown. I will send an email to the Eatontown Historic Society and see if they can provide some verification. Maybe they can also post something on their web page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfratini33 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * , I found a source that pulls it all together and updated the article let me know what you think. A reminder to use four tildes "~" to "sign" your talk-page messages. Alansohn (talk) 18:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Alan, excellent, thanks for the help. FYI ... I also found an old map of the area on Page 18 of the book I referenced. The "Mill Pond" is in exactly the same place as Wampum Lake. So, no doubt that the two are one and the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfratini33 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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I mean... wow
If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, i have to imagine that someone creating a hate account just for you is somewhere up there on the honor roll. Congratulations? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theleekycauldron (talk • contribs)

, I just saw that the new user was listed at WP:UAA, but I guess I do have to take pride in the fact that people are noticing my work! Alansohn (talk) 16:19, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:John F. Kenendy High School (Paterson, New Jersey) alumni


A tag has been placed on Category:John F. Kenendy High School (Paterson, New Jersey) alumni requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 14:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , there are other (and better) reasons to delete, but this category isn't seven days old. It was created yesterday. I won't object, but it concerns me that other day-old categories are being tagged for deletion prematurely. Alansohn (talk) 01:29, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

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Abe Vigoda Not from Woodland Park, New Jersey
He was there to escape a blizzard and was living on NYC's Upper East Side according to this reliable source. BTW the reference you had for him being from WP only said he died there. Just as bogus as your recent edit to 1966 World Series....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:56, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , your lack of understanding of WP:PRESERVE is blindingly obvious. If you don't like Wikipedia policy feel free to head to the roof, at which point I'm happy to offer some suggestions for next steps. Alansohn (talk) 21:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * What preserve the bs you or other editors put in articles? You've been caught. I'm not the bad guy. One of WP's top 50 all time editors is making stuff up as they go....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , it's so sad to see that you devote your time trying to monitor every edit I've ever made. In 450-500,000 edits you've found a single edit to the article for Woodland Park where I added a source to back up something another editor had added to the article. A 99.999% success rate sounds good to me. Can I suggest a swan dive? Alansohn (talk) 23:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Your entries to the WS article were bogus. Your edits here got you nearly blocked at ANI. This edit is ridiculous too coming from an experienced editor. One time no, bs again. I haven't and will not study all your edits but it is obvious when there is a pattern of deception in an editor's work here....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

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Idea for education templates: consolidate those for lower population counties
Something that occurred to me is that community colleges and public library systems should be on countywide education templates.

For lower population counties I've tried combining the high school and school district templates into a single template: See Template:Education in Cape May County, New Jersey (as Cape May County only has five public high schools and one private high school with articles and the reader can pick those out: one can also make nested templates showing high schools within the template)

For larger population counties (maybe 10 or 15 or more high schools?) one can have education in ... templates (school districts + community colleges) and have high schools be an offshoot with their own templates (I'm wondering about Camden, Mercer, and some of the north Jersey counties could have separated templates?). WhisperToMe (talk) 14:05, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , after I saw your message, I was looking at the Bergen County template, which has 68 public and private high schools, and that can certainly stand on its own. Smaller / more rural counties can make do with consolidated templates. The current templates probably started under the assumption that every county should have a high school template and a separate school district template, but those counties might be better served with a combined template that also includes community colleges, or perhaps library systems.

Collingswood and Jim Maley
Hello, I'm Western civilization. I noticed that in this edit to Collingswood, NJ, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Western civilization (talk • contribs) 14:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


 * , I have left edit summaries to explain my edits. In this edit yesterday, I left the edit summary "remove details of statements and opinions by mayor; this is an article about Collingswood, not about Jim Maley"; In this edit today, I stated "remove irrelevant and undue comments by mayor in an article that's about the borough, not about Jim Maley". By contrast, your edits have claimed that you were "undoing vandalism to properly sourced additions to the page" and that "Vandalism won't be tolerated". I think it's you who might want to read these edit summaries and be much more careful about claims of vandalism. Alansohn (talk) 14:54, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

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The second round of the 2021 WikiCup has now finished; it was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 61 points to advance to Round 3. There were some impressive efforts in the round, with the top eight contestants all scoring more than 400 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 110 good articles achieved in total by contestants, as well as the 216 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

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Proposed deletion of Escalante Elementary School


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DYK nomination of Don Savage
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Montague Township school docs
Montague Township School District had quite a turbulent history in the 2010s related to the cancellation of its send/receive with Port Jervis School District (switched to High Point Regional High School) and then attempts to get that back.

Sadly it seems they deleted a bunch of primary source documents on their official site. Happily I found some in Google cache and others in Document Cloud, but it might be good to save copies to your HD. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Fully signed settlement agreement (text here)
 * Transportation study (on whether students should be bussed to Port Jervis or to High Point HS
 * Feasibility of the termination of the send/receive agreement
 * Authorizing Petition
 * , there are districts that have had sending relationships for several decades that have lasted forever without a murmur, and then you have districts like Montague Township (or Englewood / Englewood Cliffs) which are in constant turmoil. Thanks for the documents. Alansohn (talk) 14:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I also found the Sending/Receiving Petition from Montague Township so I think that should be all the documents...? WhisperToMe (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Diminishing SHP alumni
Not sure why you are so adamant about deleting a Seton Hall Prep alumni that won the 2020 "Emerging Writer's Award. I taught Chris Cooper at SHP in 2005, I was the honors English teacher Antonio Defiore, and any accomplished writer should be acknowledged. Although I can't find an article where he talks about "high school," his linkedin profile clearly shows he attended Seton Hall Prep and graduated in 2006.

Here is the source: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherjcooper87/

I don't think a link to his professional linkedin profile should need to be included because you're eager to discredit this writer. There are other "alumni" that do not have any verifiable links to them attending SHP. If you want to go tit for tat, that's fine, I'll edit this page every single day.Carterk99 (talk) 21:15, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , one of the consistent guidelines for adding notables to such lists is that each entry should have a Wikipedia article *AND* a reliable / verifiable source establishing a connection to the school (or place). Seton Hall Prep has about 200 or so graduates each year for which it is possible to verify that they attended the school, but we don't list every alumnus. The ones we list are those with both Wikipedia articles that establish notability and sources that establish attendance at Seton Hall Prep. Chris Cooper doesn't yet meet that standard and that's why he has been removed, just as his entry was removed (by another user) from Chris Cooper (disambiguation). Alansohn (talk) 21:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

There are several people under “seton hall prep” alumni that have a Wikipedia page yet don’t provide corroboration they attended seton hall prep. I guess we should also remove them? Will do. Carterk99 (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

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Newark Fire Department Page
Hello, I need your help because of your experience. There's an anonymous user who keeps vandalizing the Newark NJ Fire Department Wikipedia page. I wrote to him twice but continues. Please assist me sir. Thank you Doriden (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Newark NJ Fire Department page vandalism
Dear Sir, can you please help me. Anonymous user based in Florida keeps on vandalizing the Newark NJ Fire Department Wikipedia page. I tried to talk twice but doesn't seem to get it. Please help me out, I know that you are experienced in Wikipedia knowledge. Thank you Doriden (talk) 21:12, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Accident?
Hi. I assume you didn't intend to delete the infobox here .. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tali_Farhadian&diff=1022887553&oldid=1022883421 --2603:7000:2143:8500:3048:E4EF:82C2:5FAB (talk) 02:41, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for letting me know about my mistake. Alansohn (talk) 02:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Not at all. I can tell you are a great editor, and it was a mistake. --2603:7000:2143:8500:3048:E4EF:82C2:5FAB (talk) 02:45, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

May 2021
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on List of Seton Hall Preparatory School alumni. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 21:47, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * , you're kidding. An editor with a clear conflict of interest is repeatedly adding a non-notable entry without a source, but I'm engaging in an edit war? Alansohn (talk) 02:06, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that the behavior on their part is inappropriate, and have left a similar message on their talk page (and a notice about the apparent COI). I'm mostly just trying to point out that this needs to be actually addressed (ideally on the article talk page), not via continuous reverting, and not via back-and-forths in edit logs. I'm not trying to reprimand you specifically, just to point out that there are many ways to resolve what's going on. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 12:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Also I am aware that reverting vandalism is not the same as edit warring. The problem is that I think the other editor involved does not understand that their actions amount to vandalism. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 12:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait I didn't notice the conversation on your talk page above before posting this notice. Agreed, you can ignore this; I think you're handling it fine. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 12:41, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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Newark NJ fire dept Wikipedia page
Mr.alansohn, can you please help me out with this ip address who is doing disruptive editing, I have warned him many times but he keeps it up. Multiple ip addresses are from Florida. Please help me out with this by reporting disruptive editing. Perhaps to block him even temporarily would be great. I don't know how to contact Wikipedia. I would greatly appreciate your help. Thanks, Doriden Doriden (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'll keep an eye on these edits. Alansohn (talk) 02:06, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks Doriden (talk) 05:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Newark NJ Fire Dept Wikipedia page
It's page protected now due to my complaints of disruptive editing. What exactly does that mean, if you don't mind me asking you. Thanks, Doriden Doriden (talk) 12:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

May 2021: Immaculate Heart
Hi, I was just wondering how an award given to a school 24 years ago is relevant now? ("For the 1996–97 school year, Immaculate Heart Academy was recognized ...") We are all familiar with the ways a school can be radically changed when the top people are changed, either for the better or for the worse. I find that the article was trying to promote the school by emphasizing outdated accomplishments ad nauseum (without mentioning academic programs). What's your interpretation?--Quisqualis (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , when does the award expire? Alansohn (talk) 16:30, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not like the Nobel Prize, as a person is not an institution. It's more like the Nobel Peace Prize, which basically says, "we think you are really cool right now. Look at Obama. Or some of the despots who have received it. They were not devoted to peace following the award. However, I am only speculating, as are you. Tell me what you think.--Quisqualis (talk) 16:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , the Nobel Peace Prize is not encyclopedic? Can you back up the claim that it means "we think you are really cool right now" and can thus be ignored? Do you have sources to back up your position? Alansohn (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see your sources as well. We are both speculating. As for "the Nobel Peace Prize is not encyclopedic", you are engaging in some tenuous synthesis there. Are you a lawyer, or just a northern New Jerseyan? WP is beset with cleverly-written heavy promotion emanating from the NYC and northern NJ region. The creators of such promotion all act like lawyers, going head to head with other Wikipedians in order to prevail, ignoring the goals of the project. I am not going to deal with you on your level, sorry. Please stick to the facts and try to discuss this without a winner-takes-all attitude.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I responded to your statements as best as I can take them. YOU have insisted that the Blue Ribbon Award should be ignored after some period of time. YOU were the one who said that It's more like the Nobel Peace Prize, which basically says, "we think you are really cool right now." YOU have offered nothing to back up any of your claims. YOU are the one engaging in attacks in violation of WP:NPA. I will not tolerate further personal attacks about who I am or where I'm from. I am not going to deal with you on your level, sorry. Without an apology on your part for the attack, this is the end of this discussion here. Alansohn (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Cyclone Inigo Good Article Reassessment
Cyclone Inigo, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. --Whiteguru (talk) 11:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Articles about racial segregation and desegregation in NJ schools
Do you have an account on JStor or are you able to get on the Wikipedia Library? I found articles about racial segregation and desegregation in NJ schools (northern Jersey by 1948 pretty much had integrated schools but south and central Jersey still had segregation) WhisperToMe (talk) 22:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've been catching upon your edits and looking at a of the school districts that had segregated educational systems into the late 1940s. I have the JStor link up in one of my tabs and I have to make sure that I do have access through the Wikipedia Library. These are truly meaningful additions. Alansohn (talk) 22:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Don Savage
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Newark NJ fire dept Wikipedia page
Mr alansohn, someone removed the page Protection from the Newark NJ fire dept Wikipedia page and that ip address from Florida struck again. Can you please revert his disruptive editing. Thanks Doriden Doriden (talk) 18:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Daniel Coghlan
Hello Alansohn, I recently created a draft for Daniel Coghlan, an important figure in the New Jersey paper mill industry and the Catholic Church in Northern NJ. I was wondering if there were any places to check for source material that might not be available through a direct google search. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 04:19, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I checked out the article and I will try to see if I can find any other sources. Alansohn (talk) 13:42, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Thriley (talk) 18:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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Newark NJ fire dept Wikipedia page
That ip address from Florida who is blocked for a month just came back with a new ip address from Florida and disruptive editing to the Newark NJ fire dept Wikipedia page. Please revert back. This guy has to be blocked. Doriden (talk) 18:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Newark NJ fire dept Wikipedia page
I reverted the disruptive edit manually. Thank you for your assistance and help. Dare I make a mistake about something and everyone crawls out of the woodwork to admonish me, but this persistent disruptive behavior from this person in Florida just gets away with it. He is blocked from his non static ip addresses until the 21, he is probably using a Tracfone or a friend of his computer. Both geolocate to same area of Florida, and it is the exact same thing he changes. Probably has OCD. This guy must be blocked. Doriden (talk) 19:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , this editor's changes are mostly useless. I will keep an eye out. Alansohn (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Newark NJ fire dept Wikipedia page
Yes, but they are persistent and disruptive. I know that they are OCD based, but  he's blocked for a month from may 21 to June 21 and he probably is using a friends device or something. OK thank you Doriden (talk) 19:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

FDNY Wikipedia page
I see that person disrupted the FDNY page the other day and you reverted it. It's the same person with the roaming up from Florida who is suspended until the 21st of June. And I guarantee he'll be at it again with his OCD like nonsense. We have to do something about this person. Thanks, Doriden Doriden (talk) 16:09, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing
Mr.Sohn, if you take a look at that person's history with Wikipedia it goes way back with disruptive editing behavior until 2018, using a 173 ip address and the other one that is currently blocked until the 27 June. He should be held accountable for his actions of persistent disruptive editing. Thanks, Doriden Doriden (talk) 16:08, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

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The third round of the 2021 WikiCup has now come to an end. Each of the sixteen contestants who made it into the fourth round had at least 294 points, and our top six scorers all had over 600 points. They were:


 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 1825 points from 3 featured articles, 44 featured article reviews, 14 good articles, 30 good article reviews and 10 DYKs. In addition, he completed a 34-article good topic on the EFL Championship play-offs.
 * Epicgenius, a New York specialist, with 1083 points from 2 featured article reviews, 18 good articles, 30 DYKs and plenty of bonus points.
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In round three, contestants achieved 19 featured articles, 7 featured lists, 106 featured article reviews, 72 good articles, 1 good topic, 62 good article reviews, 165 DYKs and 96 ITN items. We enter the fourth round with scores reset to zero; any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (one contestant in round 3 lost out because of this). When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

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Nomination of John P. Ginty for deletion
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Thank you for Portrait of Wally from which today's featured picture is taken! Yesterday I had two interesting DYK (I think), and the day before was at a concert with Daniel Barenboim just playing piano, and afterwards he and the orchestra received last year's prize (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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Edited quotation in Vera Mae Green
Hello, Alansohn. Could you tell me why did you change "less than one-hundred" to "fewer than 100" in the article Vera Mae Green? According to MOS:Principle of minimal change, "Quotations must be verifiably attributed, and the wording of the quoted text should be faithfully reproduced."

If you have access to JSTOR and it's the original quotation, then I have no objection. Otherwise, please return the original wording or use square brackets.--Russian Rocky (talk) 17:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: I've rephrased the sentence in question. Feel free to check it out. Thanks in advance.--Russian Rocky (talk) 18:59, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks for making the change. I concur with your wording. Alansohn (talk) 00:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Rahway page
Hi Alan - do you think I would be ok removing the header "this looks like an ad" on the Rahway New Jersey page? I feel it should probably be removed but wanted to get someone else's view. Thanks in advance Bhdshoes2 (talk) 16:57, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it would be nice if you didn't add promotional content to begin with.... 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 16:58, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't see promo content on the page. Bhdshoes2 (talk) 22:52, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A few thoughts, (with apologies to Alansohn for appropriating this talk page--I'm happy to copy this and move it, should that be the best course). First, it's clear you've contributed a lot of good content; I especially liked the section on artists who painted on the Rahway River. But, though I am not interested in sifting through a lot of previous edits, I've found enough that do have issues with promotional tone, and am surprised that you're not aware of this. That alone makes me concerned about some form of COI. If you'd like, I can pull up the diffs, but I've already edited a few examples, so it shouldn't be difficult to discuss those. Apologies from shifting from my usual 2601. Thanks, 73.186.215.222 (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

At this point, to me, the "this reads like promo" sogn on the Rahway page just looks like vandalism. There is nothing on there that reads like promo. I feel like you purged it all out already so sign should n come down. I did change "clubs" to "community orgs" though.


 * Perhaps it can be removed, though I'd suggest it be done by someone else. This isn't the place to work it out, but as I noted in an edit summary, I don't think the garden club or friends of the library are appropriate to include in a Wikipedia article. That you're inclined to boosterism on behalf of NJ cities is evident; referring to the advert template as vandalism is a misstep. 73.186.215.222 (talk) 03:21, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I really hadn't looked at the lede until now. I'd suggest a consensus on whether it's appropriate for the second and third sentences of a Wikipedia article to be "Rahway was named the 2020 "Great Downtown" designee on the APA's list of "Great Places in New Jersey."[18] Rahway was also named the #2 Best Small Town Arts Scene in the country by USA Today in 2021.[19]" That really has advert written all over it. The first claim is based on a dubious WP:RELIABLE; the second looks more solid, but is rather glaring in the intro., I find it troubling that an experienced editor doesn't notice or acknowledge this area of concern. At this point, I'd welcome Alansohn's input, and that of other experienced editors. I'm happy to welcome divergent opinions. 2601:188:180:B8E0:4B7:A2AA:F35E:21A8 (talk) 19:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. I mean, to me, there should indeed be explanatory notes of significance in the lede like "named the best" this or that if it is a significant publication. It gives facts of significance. I also feel adding local organizations of longstanding does belong in an encyclopedia entry on a place. Is there a way to copy and paste this whole discussion to the Rahway talk page? If you know how, feel free! Not sure Alan is even seeing this. I put it on his page bc he is a Jersey guy. Bhdshoes2 (talk) 14:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I can copy this and move it there, though I may not get to it until later. Will respond then, too. I'll likely request more eyes, so the discussion doesn't sit at the talk page until it grows stale. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * / and, I'm sorry that I hadn't been able to respond. I appreciate your respective positions, but I agree that the Rahway talk page is the best place for this discussion. While I agree that advertising tags are often unhelpful, there may well be legitimate issues with some of the content that's been added. As I'm sure that we would all agree that 98-99.9% of the article is not even borderline promotional, let's raise the issues at the talk page, discuss them dispassionately and reach consensus on them one at a time and update the article accordingly. Alansohn (talk) 15:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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All Souls Hospital
Hello, I recently created a draft for All Souls Hospital, a large historic hospital in Morristown which was closed a few years ago by Atlantic Health. Any help would be appreciated, or let others who may be interested know too. I think it would make a great DYK. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 17:34, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , you have everything you need to make this a full-fledged article and a good candidate for DYK! Most editors start with the article and scramble to find the sources. You've found great sources to flesh this out and I'm sure that there's more out there. Alansohn (talk) 19:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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‎Freeholdman12's drive to change "Transportation" to "Infrastructure"
I see his point, but he seems to be focused solely on adding the health care system. However, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_infrastructure, he should also add information on each town's financial system, the education system, the system of government, law enforcement, and emergency services. Most of these articles already have such information in separate sections, so if is drive is truly to create informative hard and soft infrastructure sections (instead of just focusing on health care), he should try to merge them in. Otherwise, perhaps he should back off. I'm bringing this to your attention as the most-involved editor of NJ municipality articles - perhaps a discussion among other editors is needed. Famartin (talk) 09:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , it would seem that the relevant guideline that would be more relevant here would be WP:USCITY, which does recommend including healthcare and transportation in an infrastructure section. It's not a policy or a requirement, but it does offer some guidance for editors. I'm not sure that Soft infrastructure does the same. The best place to discuss this more broadly would be at WT:NJ, where could get greater participation, I hope. Alansohn (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing that to my attention. As a more casual editor, I'm not always aware of the many policies and guidelines, so it was enlightening, if further confusing. I've brought this for discussion on that talk page. Famartin (talk) 01:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished with over 500 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants, 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man and Epicgenius, each scoring over 3000 points, and six contestants scoring over 1000. All but one of the finalists achieved one or more FAs during the round, the exception being Bloom6132 who demonstrated that 61 "in the news" items produces an impressive number of points. Other contestants who made it to the final are Gog the Mild, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski,  BennyOnTheLoose, 🇷🇼 Amakuru and  Hog Farm. However, all their points are now swept away and everyone starts afresh in the final round.

Round 4 saw the achievement of 18 featured articles and 157 good articles. Bilorv scored for a 25-article good topic on Black Mirror but narrowly missed out on qualifying for the final round. There was enthusiasm for FARs, with 89 being performed, and there were 63 GARs and around 100 DYKs during the round. As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it to the final round; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For other contestants, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

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2020 Census statistics in New Jersey
Hello Alansohn, hope you are doing well. I was getting ready to contact you in short order regarding 2020 detailed Census statistical updates for New Jersey's 21 counties, going alphabetically with just two more counties left, (just finished Union County, only Warren County remains) - but in the meantime, looks like we stumbled over each other at the Union County page, prompting my correspondence with you slightly prematurely relative to my expectation in time.

First of all, we both know very well after doing this for a long time that it would be an editor's burden to gain consensus to retain material on a page rather than to remove obsolete material. I believe it's safe to say that most editors would consider it a non-starter to include sorely obsolete detailed 2000 statistics in the year 2021 (and now nearly 2022).

What I was hoping you were indeed planning to do however (and was actually going to ask you soon, as mentioned above) would be to perform once again the same magic now for 2020 detailed stats that you did a decade ago when you developed the 2010 auto-template of detailed demographic statistics for the 2010 census. Much more detailed info is now readily available, including for same-sex couples, foreign-born residents, etc. Best, Castncoot (talk) 01:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)


 * , I am still working myself -- and hoping to work with others -- to develop a systematic process to gather data from the 2020 census corresponding to the data available for 2010 and 2000, and to allow this data to be added to articles for counties and municipalities. I still don't know what should be done with 2000 data and I have arguments both for and against retention of the information, though I think that there is a strong argument that a string of data from three censuses provides context as to changes and trends in a county or municipality. But until we have 2020 data in the articles, it seems premature to be removing the only other contextual information we have and leaving only 2010 census data present. Alansohn (talk) 02:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The 2020 data is available now, notwithstanding the delay induced by Covid. I'm happy to help you procure the 2020 data systematically if you need my help with that particular task Alansohn, but I really feel that this is a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth and truthfully, the project would be best served by you taking individual control of that process at this time. In fact, that's precisely why I created a shell section for 2020 on each county page, before reaching out to you about taking over from that point. The only significant contextual data to be gained from 2020 at this time any longer is the total population of each jurisdiction at Census 2000 (please keep in mind that byte space is valuable real estate for each article), and I have specifically continued to retain that data in the lead section. Castncoot (talk) 02:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2021 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year and the finalists can relax! Our Champion this year is, who amassed over 5000 points in the final round, achieving 8 featured articles and almost 500 reviews. It was a very competitive round; seven of the finalists achieved over 1000 points in the round (enough to win the 2019 contest), and three scored over 3000 (enough to win the 2020 event). Our 2021 finalists and their scores were:


 * 1) with 5072 points
 * 2) with 3276 points
 * 3) with 3197 points
 * 4) with 1611 points
 * 5) with 1571 points
 * 6) with 1420 points
 * 7) with 1043 points
 * 8) with 528 points

All those who reached the final round will win awards. The following special awards will be made based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. Awards will be handed out in the next few days.


 * wins the featured article prize, for 8 FAs in round 5.
 * wins the featured list prize, for 3 FLs in round 5.
 * wins the featured topic prize, for 13 articles in a featured topic in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 63 GAs in round 4.
 * wins the good topic prize, for 86 articles in good topics in round 5.
 * wins the reviewer prize, for 68 FAC reviews and 213 GAN reviews, both in round 5.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 30 did you know articles in round 3 and 105 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 71 in the news articles in round 1 and 284 overall.

Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether they made it to the final round or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup, some of whom did very well. Wikipedia has benefitted greatly from the quality creations, expansions and improvements made, and the numerous reviews performed. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition, not forgetting User:Jarry1250, who runs the scoring bot.

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DYK for Carmine Savino
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Help with Sculptor Capital updates
Hi. I am Michael from Sculptor Capital. I saw how active you are on Wikipedia, specifically the WikiProject New York City, and was wondering if you might take a look at my edit request at Talk:Sculptor Capital Management. Sculptor's article is a member of WikiProject New York City and could benefit from updating by an experienced and invested editor like you. Thank you! Michael at Sculptor Capital (talk) 13:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Matt Kantor Notability
I was looking through the edits of [|Watchung Hills Regional High School], and saw that you removed Matt Kantor from notable alumni under the grounds "No wikipedia article/ no reputable news sources providing connections", and was just wondering if This Was enough of an article to make it notable? Sorry I'm just new to wikipedia 65.51.78.195 (talk) 15:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have read through the attached article and I have great respect and admiration for his service and sacrifice for our nation. Please look at WP:Notability to gain a greater understanding of what it means to be notable. I hope that this will help you gain an understanding of why I believe that the standard is not met here. Alansohn (talk) 16:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Alan is right. Kantor's story is tragic but he doesn't meet WP's military notability guidelines. WP is not a memorial either....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:People from Fredon Township, New Jersey has been nominated for merging
Category:People from Fredon Township, New Jersey has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:39, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:People from Wharton, New Jersey has been nominated for merging
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Category:People from Sandyston Township, New Jersey has been nominated for merging
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Rebecca Odes
Thanks for adding info to Rebecca Odes; I recommend using Template:Cite newspaper or Template:Cite web in the future to prevent WP:LINKROT. lullabying (talk) 02:27, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Category:People from Riverdale, New Jersey has been nominated for merging
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Category:People from Byram Township, New Jersey has been nominated for merging
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Welcome to the 2022 WikiCup!
Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2022 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: and. Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)