User talk:Alansohn/Archive 25

Maya calendar
I don't understand your last revert, which reinstated - or rather a broken link to it. I've removed it again, it is a personal website about Maya links to Atlantis and Lemuria. Dougweller (talk) 08:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph F. Finnegan
Number 517 (388 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK nomination of Robert Isabell
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Thank you for removing the vandalism from my page


Alansohn, Blurpeace has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Dear Wikipedia,

I typed that Bruce Lee was a great man.

You rejected it.

If you do not accept that this is a FACT, you can....SUCK MY ASS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Troutfacebabycake (talk • contribs) 22:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Linfield F.C.
Sorry, meant to leave that in the sandbox, obviously I was having a mess but didn't realise (somehow) that had edited it.--86.45.149.144 (talk) 16:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Confusion
--99.139.125.99 (talk) 23:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)It says in Season 13, for Thomas and Friends, all footage will be animated with CGI. I don't get it? I thought they used CGI beginning in Season 12. Please respond when you can and help me out of this confusion.

DYK for Benny Lom
Number 518 (389 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for David L. Cole
Number 519 (390 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Dispute Over Warning
Hi mate you issued me with a warning for something I didn't edit, I don't even know the person page I'm suppose to of vandalised, Now unless my I.P address has been cloned or linked somehow I wish you to remove your warning from my page because I'm being held over something I didn't do, I have my own account anyways -> Barretto24 but at the minute I've lost my password and it's linked to an old email address.91.107.136.66 (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Casey Candaele
Number 520 (391 create/expand - 129 nominations)

List of United States cities by population density
I have been planning on nominating List of United States cities by population density to be a featured list for awhile now, as I am the one who created that article. I was looking through what links to that article and noticed a message on Loodog's talk page from you concerning that article. It is not an original research effort, all the information is from the U.S. Census Bureau. The easiest page to access the data is here:. That contains every single place in the country. What I did was go through all 50 states and copied and pasted the tables of information into Excel. Then I sorted the column of population density. That way there is definitely no human error involved. The Census Bureau has a table of all places over 50,000 population and you can sort that by density, but it doesn't have one that shows the density of every single place in the country (as far as I know) because that table would just be too large. Regarding Guttenberg, this story from The Star-Ledger specifically calls it "the most densely populated town in the United States". That reference, which is already in the density article, should probably be put in the Guttenberg article. While there is not a single table from the Census Bureau to access this information, I think it is a stretch to call it original research as these places were not "cherry-picked" as you implied in that previous message. The data was carefully compiled and all the data can be accessed in that one link I gave above. I realize you made this comment almost two months ago, I bring it up again because I created that article and want to get it to be a featured list, so any comments regarding it are welcome. LonelyMarble (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for We answer to a higher authority
Number 521 (392 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Hi Alansohn
Hi how r u? Is it not right change? may be u r right.

ok how do u do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetriverfish (talk • contribs) 14:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The statement is opinion, and must be backed by a reliable source. Alansohn (talk) 15:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

July 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Anglo-Iraqi War has been reverted, as it appears to have removed content from the page without explanation. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Alansohn (talk) 14:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just forgot to log in. Thanks for the reminder.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.69.201.85 (talk) 14:50, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawney Troof article
You reversed my edits to the Hawney Troof article without a stated reason... The bulk of the bio piece is non-verifiable/not of merit. Further, the contributions of the main authors are quite suspect:

XXedgecoredXX 68.44.45.204

Their contributions are almost 100% related to this artist -- i.e. this article, other bands he has been in, adding his name and info to various articles.

Note that I did clarify this in the discussion page/edit history. What is the protocol on salvaging article like this that is just plain bad?

Salmon7 (talk) 16:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Please do not revert edits to my user page User:Eganjt anymore. I do not like to sign in, but I am the user in question. Just look at the history of the page, the people who reverted before you, and their talk pages to join in on the ongoing fued if you feel up to it.
 * Did you seriously just threaten me? Now I'm very upset, but I will remain civil.  I am the IP address you just warned.  Please remove the warning, you got what you guys wanted, me siging on to edit my OWN page.  Ridiculous.  Hope you are happy.  Maybe next time I can threaten to contact your ISP when I feel a bit perturbed.

oh, forgot to signEganjt (talk) 18:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no way to definitively associate an IP address with a user name, regardless of edit history. The removal of content from the user page, accompanied by bullying edit summaries, has appeared to me and other editors as vandalism. The best way to deal with the issue is to make the edits while logged in and provide a clear, concise explanation in the edit summary. Alansohn (talk) 18:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But you can definitively associate a user with an IP address, and that would have told you they were the same person. Oh well, it's water under the bridge as far as I'm concerned.  You won, you got me to go against my own personal beliefs and policies by signing on to edit, under the threat that you would contact my ISP.  You've accomplished absolutely nothing else, because it wasn't vandalism in the first place.  Hope you are happy, because I'm certainly not.  I apologize for not AGF, but then again, neither did you or the other 3 editors who assumed I was a vandal, now did they?Eganjt (talk) 19:04, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Discrimination
I find the last revert of my edit insulting. Just becuase i was never a king, a president or anything of the sort, are you saying that i am not worthy for my name to be on wikipedia? I see this as a form of discrimination, my friend. I see this as an act of stupidity, just because you dont see us as important DOESNT MEAN THAT WE AREN'T!

Good day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inhat (talk • contribs) 23:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I stand by my revert of this edit and other such additions. Alansohn (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Lou Pagliaro
Number 522 (393 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Bagel Bakers Local 338
Number 523 (394 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Robert Isabell
Number 524 (395 create/expand - 129 nominations)

learn
there is nothing neutral, before you actually revert again, I suggest you look at Denial of the Armenian Genocide.

I mean really, if I find a citation that says the holocaust did not happen, can I use it???82.178.0.96 (talk) 20:08, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The article states what the monument in Iğdır commemorates, backed by reliable and verifiable sources; It does not commemorate Denial of the Armenian Genocide. Alansohn (talk) 20:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Birthday wishes
Thanks. It's late for the goyshe birthday, and early for the Jewish one. :) Liked the joke about meat and milk!!! Debresser (talk) 07:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Christopher Hipp
Number 525 (396 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Hi
Can you please stop messing about with Wikipedia. It's really draining: it takes time and energy to clean up after you. We're trying to make a useful site for everybody here. Don't spend your time spoiling it. Go out, see friends, dance in the sun. bodnotbod (talk) 17:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ralph F. Hirschmann
Number 526 (397 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Well, I still have never gotten one, but

 * Thanks for the recognition! You've beat me plenty of times yourself. Alansohn (talk) 16:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for William C. Conner
Number 527 (398 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Horace Barker
Number 528 (399 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for John Barry (WD-40)
Number 529 (400 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Paying off a bet
Arakunem Talk 19:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Not bad hits though: :)
 * I was equally surprised by the number of hits, but there are so many variables based on time of day, position on the DYK list, the nature of the other hooks, etc., that there's no figuring why it was under 5K. Thanks for the alternate and for the pie! Alansohn (talk) 19:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

192.136.22.6
Just FYI, the fellow you reverted for hitting the Winnipeg Jets article did so again; I just reported him to AVI.  RGTraynor  08:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you...
...for repairing the vandalism on my user page. ttonyb1 (talk) 18:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No thanks are necessary, but they are greatly appreciated. We Wikipedians need to watch each other's backs, and removing foolish vandalism is the least I can do. Alansohn (talk) 18:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Wrightson
By all means add to the article - I consider this to be just a start. May I suggest that you add a section describing his recordings? All the best. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Barbara Margolis
Number 530 (401 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Astronaut-politicians
You probably will want to add a mention of Jack Swigert. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 02:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. I knew I was leaving out a few folks and you remind me that Swigert died before taking office. Thanks for the heads up. Alansohn (talk) 02:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

ALL CAPS
If you want to convert ALL CAPS to the Title Case you ca use this link. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * THANKS FOR THE TIP! I have fewer objections to keeping the case to match the original article, but a utility to do the conversion would help convince me that it's worth the bother without the risk of losing or mistyping while doing it manually. Nice work on the Sylvester article, to which I had added some sources and additional material. Alansohn (talk) 04:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

ALL CAPS
If you want to convert ALL CAPS to the Title Case you can use this link. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kim Guadagno
Number 531 (402 create/expand - 129 nominations) Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.
 * Two alternate hooks have been offered there. Alansohn (talk) 15:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

About You Now revert
Cosgrove's lip synced was well known and admitted. Yet you disallow it but allow bonadage and sexual information to be displayed. illogival so called encycolpedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.24.125.98 (talk) 15:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I assume that you are referring to this edit of About You Now. While it may well be true, there were two issues with the edit. Lip synching is already covered by the statement that she performed the song and lip synching a song is generally considered to be a negative statement (a ala Milli Vanilli and Ashlee Simpson's SNL incident). Without a reliable and verifiable source to support the claim, it was removed. That it is "well known" is not enough. It can be reinserted as long as there is a reliable reference from sources such as a newspaper or magazine to support the claim. Alansohn (talk) 15:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Susan Fleming
Number 532 (403 create/expand - 129 nominations)

History of New Jersey
If FA has any interest for you, you may wish to comment on the Featured Article Review for this. (The page to which I link is an archive page; that's so they don't have to futz around moving pages to close the FAR, but can just delink.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sidney W. Bijou
Number 533 (404 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Category:Spouses of Massachusetts Governors
I just noticed your comments regarding my renaming proposal with respect to Category:Spouses of Massachusetts Governors, and I was wondering if you are suggesting that the other subcategories of Category:Spouses of United States state governors should be renamed in a format similar to the one used by the aforementioned "Massachusetts" category, as opposed to renaming that category to confirm with them. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or comments on this matter. --TommyBoy (talk) 10:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Following up on my earlier comments, since he is the creator of most of the subcategories in question, I have left a note regarding the concerns you have raised on User:Scanlan's Talk page. --TommyBoy (talk) 11:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Clayton Hill


The article Clayton Hill has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable bit-part actor; answer to a Dawn of the Dead trivia quiz, but not notable

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing  will stop the Proposed Deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The Speedy Deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and Articles for Deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Uh?
Thanks for that. I wonder what they think I've done to them! Tonywalton Talk 16:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The least we can do as Wikipedians is to watch each other's backs. It's the least I can do. Alansohn (talk) 20:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kim Guadagno
Number 534 (405 create/expand - 129 nominations)

ANI notice
Hello,. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.  JGHowes   talk  10:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have found that describing such messes on WP:LAME, if you can manage to be both neutral and tongue-in-cheek, will sometimes draw the attention necessary to make the disruptionists go away. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have tried to defuse this issue, and I can think of some wording for WP:LAME that would meet the criteria you offer. Alansohn (talk) 17:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Alansohn, I agree that the situation should be defused. I've left a response to your thread at User talk:Rlevse.  JGHowes   talk  18:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

NB
I came across this, a work in progress. Occuli (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Article about Jane Burgermeister
Hello,

I would like to nominate the said Article for Deletion, as I believe two media references are not enought to consider an article pushing a crazy conspiracy theory as notable. However, because I am not a user, and am quite confused by the whole procedure I wanted to ask you to nominate it, as you were the one who contested it first.

Thanks,

Marek 195.168.236.69 (talk) 14:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Howard Engle
Number 535 (406 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Lake Como, NJ
Hi, can you tell me exactly where you took the 2007 demographic data of this voice? I wasn't able to find it in the pages of USCB. Thanks. --Ermanon (talk) 17:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * See reply on user talk page re source and name change. Alansohn (talk) 17:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Creating articles
sorry sir I am very sorry.My articles are deleting speedly please tell me how can i write relible and good articles like you,email me:saqibshah59@yahoo.com,please e-mail me and guide me as a friend thanks.user:tuopuo.
 * See reply on user talk page. Alansohn (talk) 17:13, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Transformers: The Movie
Just a little commentary on the use of "The" Transformers: The Movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.87.224 (talk) 01:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Richard H. Sylvester
Number 536 (407 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK nomination of Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report
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Substitute award for 500dyk 'cos I am crap with graphics and folks who are are busy....

 * It's the thought that counts, not the graphics. Now that I've past the 200 mark, the real recognition is writing new articles and expanding old ones and seeing the holes in Wikipedia filled in one at a time. The recognition is greatly appreciated and I can only extend my own appreciation for your own DYK efforts. Keep up the great work on your part. Alansohn (talk) 04:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha, well you can see how many of these you can collect :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

That actually was not vandalism.
I was adding some valid information there. Why do you assume anything I post will be vandalism? 71.198.56.105 (talk) 08:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessessment of Joyce Kilmer
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found a large number of concerns and as a result have de-listed the article. When these issues have been addressed, it may be re-nominated at WP:GAN. If you disagree with the delisting and the assessment at Talk:Joyce Kilmer/GA1, you may ask for a community reassessment at WP:GAR. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Your thoughts on dumping the "poop"
Hi Alansohn, I read your thoughts on dumping the "poop" on Wikipedia and to me it felt like you didn't finish your thought, I was hoping to hear more of what you think. I myself started a war against vandalism on Wikipedia, and I hope that you don't think that people like myself do it to raise our edit counts--I personally do it because I truly care about the quality of Wikipedia. --    bsmithme    06:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The issue I have is not with those fighting vandalism. For the past several months I have used Huggle to revert tens of thousands of vandalistic edits. The problem is that we have no barrier to entry for vandals, which means that people who could be devoting time to creating new content and expanding Wikipedia end up spending inordinate amounts of time cleaning up the messes the vandals create. Imagine if you removed every outside door in your home, allowing anyone to come in at any time. Sure, some of them would come in, make your bed and vacuum the floors, some may even volunteer on their own to build you a new bookcase or extra bedroom. But most won't. While many will just walk through and have little effect, a small number may decide to trash the place. The time you spend cleaning up after those vandals is pure wasted effort that is not counteracted by the number of people who make your home cleaner and better. Just as with a home, even small barriers to entry can be effective. A door lock will keep out most people, but the most determined crooks can break the door down. Wikipedia needs barriers of its own, such as requiring registration and performing some basic identity check. A brief course on how Wikipedia works -- what is required, what is allowed and what is forbidden -- will let new editors know what our rules are before they get started. Less vandalism will mean that folks like us will be able to spend less wasted time undoing damage on Wikipedia and more time filling in Wikipedia's holes by expanding existing articles and creating new ones, all of which make Wikipedia better rather than less bad. Alansohn (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed
Hi. Your DYK suggestion for Astronaut-politician needs a citation inline for the hook. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've repeated the source at the sentence in question. Alansohn (talk) 22:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Verified. Thanks for your prompt response. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Wasatch Breeding Zone
Chill the fetch out, girldawg. Heck, I'm here and I know. Love, JackM 216.241.195.59 (talk) 05:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

MR.SKIN
Mr.Skin is now in the process of spamming my comuter exactly as I indicated in the description of my edit and in the talk page, do you work for Mr.Skin or somthing? What's it to you?
 * Wikipedia needs reliable and verifiable sources to support such claims. 14:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Joel Weisman
Number 537 (408 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report
Number 538 (409 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Thomas Dao
Number 539 (410 create/expand - 129 nominations)

List of Quantum Leap episodes
In my personal opinion I did not think that my edits were non-constructive. I respect your view and I was wondering that you would recommend as being a more constructive option? I just felt that have the synopsis on the main page is useless as the reader could go to the Episodes independent page to view more about the episode it's self. Kjp993 (talk) 04:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Kjp993
I just want to point out to you that the user above 'Kjp993' has been reverting clearly good faith edits, leaving messages on user's pages calling their edits "non-constructive" and essentially engaging in vandalism. If you are an administrator,can you please deal with this user? Thank You!(75.69.241.91 (talk) 06:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC))

DYK for Robert Huebner
Number 540 (411 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Charles Pomerantz
Number 541 (412 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Rickettsialpox
Number 542 (413 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for rickettsia akari
Number 543 (414 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Astronaut-politician
Number 544 (415 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Rishi Singh Johal's wedding.
Rishi Singh Johal did get married to a lady with a very big nose on September 2, 2007. He's prettier than her too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.179.252.47 (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * These points may well be true, but they are certainly not encyclopedic. Alansohn (talk) 15:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ted Nierenberg, Jens Quistgaard, Dansk International Designs
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Complaint
Although I probably formatted it wrong, I haven't been around wikipedia very long on an active basis. I did vandalize the Kendallville page. I am sorry. However, there is no such thing as the L. Ron Hubbard School of Scientology, filed under schools, existing in Kendallville, IN. I should know. I live there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.224.41.68 (talk) 01:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Lois Hunt
Number 545 (416 create/expand - 129 nominations)

University of Maryland to University of Maryland, College Park
Hello, I notice you've been renaming a lot of these links. Sometimes you are breaking some links, because some are piped: University of Maryland and you are inserting another ", College Park" such as here.

Anyway, replacing these links is unnecessary. "University of Maryland" almost always means "University of Maryland, College Park" and that is why it is a redirect. The only ones that should be replaced are the small percentage that say "University of Maryland", but really mean "University of Maryland, Baltimore". But this would have to be done on a case-by-case basis. One way to tell is if they attended law school or medical school there -- those programs are only offered by UMB. Also, UMB offers no undergraduate degrees. Thanks. Strikehold (talk) 05:27, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree that the replacement was not required. This was mainly done to ensure that the categories and links were in sync, and other cleanup was done while I was in the neighborhood. The broken links were all my error and have been corrected. Thanks again for the heads up. Alansohn (talk) 05:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Take it easy. Strikehold (talk) 06:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

?
was this serious?  -shirulashem (talk) 14:40, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I took it straight from the source. While I know the pronunciation, it could have been WEEN-berg or the accent could have been on the second syllable, and I figured it would be helpful to add the cue now that Weinberg is receiving greater attention. But once you asked the question, why did they use "WHINE" when "WINE" would have been completely unambiguous? While it's not the infamous "Menachem Begin (rhymes with Fagin)" from Time magazine in 1977, it does come across as a bit kvetchy. But, yes, it was serious. Alansohn (talk) 14:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was kindof hoping you would say you were just joking, because it would've been funnier that way! :) Anyway, Good Shabbos.  -shirulashem (talk) 16:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Lionel Casson
Number 546 (417 create/expand - 129 nominations)
 * Thanks so much for expanding this stub for DYK! I'm only sorry to learn of his passing this way. Joshdboz (talk) 21:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Far too often, you only really discover a person after they have died, and Casson led a remarkable life and his story should be shared with other readers. Thanks for the note. Alansohn (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gerald Gardner (mathematician)
Number 547 (418 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Pittsburgh Press Co. v. Pittsburgh Commission on Human Relations
Number 548 (419 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Archive
I suggest making an archive this page is getting extremely long. • GunMetal Angel  06:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Seconded. Too many DYK notices. :)  Enigma msg  07:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Brock Lesnar
Hi, thanks for your work reverting vandalism. I must note that your recent reverts on Brock Lesnar (example) were not correct. Lesnar does not have many fights. Regards,  Enigma msg  07:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Six Mile Bottom
Thanks for the cleanup there. It is not only six miles from Newmarket but six from Cambridge. It is usually said around these parts (and I lived very near there) that it is called so because of the two, but I could never find a reference to it being six miles from Cambridge (and Cambridge distance officially now is measured as from Great St Mary's Church, which is just by the market square). I could be entirely wrong with that, I commuted past through there every day and I would guess it was a bit longer (it was 12 miles to commute to Cambride Science Park, including 4 from West Wratting to 6MB so I would guess about 8) but that is what is said. Of course it depends as the crow flies and roads etc but cambridgeshire being rather lat the roads tend to lie fairly straight. The cleanup is good just wondering if we could add a bit more if we could find any info. I was going to go to the cambridgeshire archive last friday but ot busy and decided to delay it so I can add it to my list of things to research when I go there. One of my best friends was born in the pub there. Sorry to ramble on just trying to give you lots of information so you can make an informed reply. SimonTrew (talk) 03:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional background. I will review the article in question. Alansohn (talk) 23:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Wilma Scott Heide
Number 549 (420 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Clayton Hill
Number 550 (421 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK nomination of Ozzie Cadena
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DYK for Bob Weinstock
Number 551 (422 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Toy Center
Number 552 (423 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Ernest W. Lefever
Number 553 (424 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK nomination of Anne Wexler
Hello! there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible.
 * I'm sorry, I was so busy considering an alternate hook I never checked the length of the article! Expansion isn't anywhere near 5x, it isn't even 2x. MovieMadness (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ted Nierenberg
Number 554 (425 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Jens Quistgaard
Number 555 (426 create/expand - 129 nominations)

DYK for Dansk International Designs
Number 556 (427 create/expand - 129 nominations)

Welcome to the 2022 WikiCup!
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Seeking compromise for highlighting historic communities in NJ
Hi Alansohn. I hope you are enjoying your New Year. I am writing to you in response to the message you left on my talk page on Dec 26th., stating the redundancy of "See also for..." in the subsections and the body of text for "Village of....", for various historic communities in New Jersey (such as Adelphia, Marlboro Village, Clarksburg, etc.) I understand your perspective on how this can seem rather wordy, so a suitable compromise would be for the subsections to be labelled as "other nearby historical communities", and leaving the body of text for these sections the same as they are currently formatted. That way, the emphasis of these communities being historical to their respected municipalities that they are located in will be preserved, while making it more accessible to wiki readers. Let me know how this sounds to you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freeholdman12 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , the see also sections are duplicative and time-consuming to edit every single page when a new entry is added or changed. The simple solution is to create a template of these historic communities. Alansohn (talk) 01:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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 * , as always, thanks for the recognition. Alansohn (talk) 14:17, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Highland Park High School Notables

 * Amy Herzog is notable, and we were able to find a reliable source to establish her attendance at Highland Park High School. Danelle Morgan is not notable -- she has no Wikipedia article to back up a claim of notability -- and her entry was removed. Alansohn (talk) 22:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

This a much better resource to prove Amy Herzog's attendance to Highland Park High School. Well done!

I dispute the elimination of Danelle Morgan as a notable person, as there exists verifiable, objective evidence that portrays significant attention from independent sources to support this claim of notability, as listed in the previous citations. Morgan does not yet have a Wikipedia page, however this should not be grounds for exclusion on this list. Wikipedia admits that women in general suffer from the gender bias on Wikipedia and there are less biography pages about notable women, therefore it is unsurprising that Morgan does not yet have her own page. Indeed, prior to this recent addition of Amy Herzog, there wasn't a single female on this list even though Highland Park High School is a coed public school with notable female alumni. By this logic, if there was not an existing Wikipedia page for Amy Herzog, she too would be off of the list even though she is a prominent playwright with a Pulitzer Prize nomination. It is also worth noting that even Herzog's standalone page was created in 2013, even though she had already been featured heavily in publications like the New York Times for many years. Herzog was a notable person, even though she was not notable on wikipedia. It can be argued that Herzog too, is victim to this gender bias.

In the Wikipedia guidelines for notability, it states that: Article content does not determine notability: Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. If the subject has not been covered outside of Wikipedia, no amount of improvements to the Wikipedia content will suddenly make the subject notable. Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability.

- I argue that verifiable source material for Danelle Morgan's notability exists and that Morgan's notability and inclusion onto this list does not hinge on her lack of a standalone page on Wikipedia.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by CharityVerity (talk • contribs) 02:31, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , Amy Herzog is notable. She has an article with a strong claim of notability backed up by ample reliable and verifiable sources to back this up. Danelle Morgan does not. She is not mentioned in any other Wikipedia article and the sources don't support a claim. If you believe that they do, I strongly encourage you to write the article first and then add her to other articles. I fully support the efforts to overcome gender bias, in real life and on Wikipedia (where I've created thousands of articles and added many thousands of notables, both men and women), but that doesn't mean that standards go out the window. Please let me know how you progress with the article. Alansohn (talk) 16:07, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Walter D. Van Riper
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Boroughitis
Could you look again as to whether your edit was necessary? The previous version, here, covered the Pine Hill/Pine Valley merger, and it really makes more sense to do it close by the Princeton merger. I'm trying to avoid reverting you, is what I'm getting at.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , it's not just that it's 564 as of 2022, it just became 564 on January 1, when the Pine Valley / Pine Hill merger took effect. Why would there be reason to revert that change, which provides context to the reduction from 565 to 564? Alansohn (talk) 18:10, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Because the info on Pine Hill/Pine Valley was already there, so we're saying it twice within the paragraph.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , your change to the article seems to address your concerns. All looks good here. Alansohn (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, swell.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , the Princeton merger happened with more of a bang, while the Pine Valley / Pine Hill merger had less press notice, so I want to be sure to emphasize it. Your changes cover the issues you raised. Thanks for making the changes. Alansohn (talk) 18:34, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm considering running Boroughitis for a second time at TFA in March and wanted to be sure it was up to date.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Revert
Hi. I was wondering why you reverted this. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Princeton,_New_Jersey&diff=1067507461&oldid=1067444273

This as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Princeton,_New_Jersey&diff=next&oldid=1067507461

And this overlink. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Princeton,_New_Jersey&diff=next&oldid=1067517664

Perhaps it was inadvertent. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 01:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching my inadvertent error. It was corrected. Alansohn (talk) 01:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! 2603:7000:2143:8500:95C:25AB:4A03:2BF3 (talk) 05:18, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hi. Regarding your recent edits, should the committees on which Stack served while in the Assembly not be mentioned? Just because the passage that mentions Silvero Vega is not relevant to Stack (and I agree, it doesn't belong in his article), why should Stacks' past duties not be mentioned? Nightscream (talk) 16:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , you're probably right. Some of the material was out of date and irrelevant but the details about his roles and committee assignments while he was serving in the Assembly is almost certainly still relevant. Do you want to reinsert the material you think should go back in or should I take a crack at it first? Alansohn (talk) 16:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I can do it. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

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Union City, New Jersey
Hello. Regarding incivil edit summary of yours, in which you stated, "reinsert re OurBus with source found using a method called "actually looking for one", as required by WP:PRESERVE"

WP:PRESERVE does not require anyone to look for a source for material whose inclusion is favored by others. What it does do is to advise editors to address uncited material a number of ways, including:


 * Requesting a citation by adding the citation needed tag, or adding any other Template:Inline cleanup tags as appropriate

I indeed did do this, on January 22. I removed the passage only a month after it went unchanged.

On other occassions, I try to find citations for uncited passages, but I cannot do that with every uncited passage I find across all the articles I edit. What is far more reasonable is if each editor who adds that material, or who favors its inclusion do this. This way, the burden is more evenly distributed among the editing community, in particular those who want to commit to that material's inclusion. Requiring one editor to look for sources for every uncited passage added by other editors, is not reasonable. Thank you for adding that cite, Alan. Nightscream (talk) 04:29, 26 February 2022 (UTC)


 * , I read and re-read WP:PRESERVE every time I mention it. "Rather than delete appropriate content, fix problems if you can, tag or remove them if you can't." I am constantly living that, looking for sources whenever I can, usually by "actually looking for one". As stated, "Instead of removing content from an article, consider:"... "Doing a quick search for sources and adding a citation yourself". Try it. It's amazing how often it works. Alansohn (talk) 02:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * See answer above.
 * Oh, and btw, something I don't think I mentioned above: I did try to look sources when I found that uncited passage a month ago. I couldn't find any, and I believe that included a search on the OurBus website. Nightscream (talk) 17:44, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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Is he a resident of Hoboken? You don't have him listed....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:08, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , the sources I see place him in Rutherford, New Jersey. Do you have anything to connect him to Hoboken? Alansohn (talk) 02:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No I don't. Some editor in the last few months added Sportspeople from Hoboken. At first I didn't check it and in fact added Writers from Hoboken to his page. Then I dug deeper and found no mention of Hoboken in his article and came up empty in a google search. So I removed the Hoboken categories. If you find something, feel free to re-add them of course....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:27, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , the "People from" categories are always on my radar, which means that I will verify and / or add sources as needed, but the "People by occupation from" categories often slip through the defenses. Thanks for asking, but I've seen nothing to connect Strahan to Hoboken. Alansohn (talk) 13:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Just letting you know, an editor seriously overcategorized Sportspeople from categories. See this ANI. I am fixing this up. Some of the sportspeople categories involve New Jersey. I fixed up Sportspeople from Trenton entries already but have Newark, Camden, Jersey City, and Patterson to do still....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Here's another one. David Donohue, racing driver. His article says born in Morristown NJ but he is categorized Sportspeople from Newark. I have this source for Morristown but the things I'm finding for Newark probably meet WP:RS Also, you don't have Donohue listed at either Morristown or Newark in NP sections....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

This source says born in Newark and to me it seems a more reliable source....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

WikiCup 2022 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the WikiCup. Last year anyone who scored more than zero points moved on to Round 2, but this was not the case this year, and a score of 13 or more was required to proceed. The top scorers in Round 1 were:


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I saw your change at Farmingdale, New Jersey, and removing Arthur Brisbane makes sense, but why did you make the other changes? They seem good to me. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨ 03:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Old London Foods
Thanks for your edit note on Old London Foods mentioning WP:CITEVAR. The admonition to avoid "adding citation templates to an article that already uses a consistent system without templates" definitely makes it clear that I was in the wrong here. It'd been a little while since I'd read that guideline and for some reason that element had slipped my mind. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I've updated the references I've added in the past few months to match the established non-template system. -- DatraxMada (talk) 17:29, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
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The second round of the 2022 WikiCup has now finished. It was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 115 points to advance to round 3. There were some very impressive efforts in round 2, with the top seven contestants all scoring more than 500 points. A large number of the points came from the 11 featured articles and the 79 good articles achieved in total by contestants.

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Use of legendary
Hi I'm noticing you went ahead and removed legendary from many pages, the word is not currently banned from being used and I've had no problem explaining why it specifically is appropriate. Complexhistorian (talk) 11:27, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I disagree I feel it is somewhat appropriate because in every article it seems to have a very negative undertone, legendary is an important precursor. Not only this Lord and Taylor has a long history in each of these communities, the ones specifically I have edited which is important, in fact. Complexhistorian (talk) 14:12, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , the use of "legendary" is the very definition of MOS:PEACOCK terms that add nothing to an article. If the presence of Lord & Taylor added something unique, special or legendary to the history of the malls or communities in which the stores were located, add that information backed up by reliable and verifiable sources, for each individual mall. Adding "legendary" to describe Lord & Taylor in nearly 20 different articles doesn't contribute anything. Alansohn (talk) 15:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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Boroughitis's Appalachian cousin?
Hope all is well back in NJ. Looking at a map of where I'm at now, parts of Allegheny County, PA are... very reminiscent of Bergen. If you have anything you remember that compares the two, I'd love to see it. Either way, I'll probably look it up some time after our (hopefully) exciting May 17th primaries. Thanks, Ab e g92 contribs 03:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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Lord & Taylor
There is nothing wrong with stating Lord & taylor is a 195 year old chain, people who read about the mall are curious what happened to the anchor and its fair I keep it, you may disagree but youre edit warring with me and should reach consensus if this is how you feel. You disagree that is fair but you disagreeing is not consesus and you should refrain from reverting all of my edits. Complexhistorian (talk) 21:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hi! Thank you for your work on Frederica von Stade. I'm a great fan of Frederica's, and I'd love to read the article about her that you found on newjerseyhills.com, but because I live in Europe, our bizarre data protection arrangements mean that I can't access that particular website from my side of the Atlantic. Could you perhaps please copy the piece that you found here? Niggle1892 (talk) 21:13, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , let me see what I can help make available for you.... Alansohn (talk) 21:36, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding so helpfully. I've just been in contact with an American friend who has emailed the article to me, so please forgive me for troubling you unnecessarily. (By the way, I think that what you've contributed to Wikipedia is truly astonishing, and I wish you many more happy years of chronicling the story of the beautiful state of NJ!!) Niggle1892 (talk) 20:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the kind words. We all contribute in our own way, from near and far. Alansohn (talk) 20:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Edgar Smith
Alansohn - why are you deleting my edits to this page? My edits corrected various errors, clarified obscure info, and inserted information from the trial transcript and appeals orders (such as the government's theory at trial of how the murder occurred - a theory approved on direct appeal). After 30 years as a lawyer in the criminal justice system, I am now retired and am an amateur published historian. I took an interest in this case after reading both the new book about it "Scoundrel" and the 1972 book about it "Counterpoint" (containing the complete trial transcript). Because the wiki entry on the case was weak I spent hours making careful revisions to make it more concise and accurate. I am baffled as to why you would delete most of my edits. An explanation please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wmdarrow (talk • contribs)
 * , the edits had been inadvertently deleted and have been restored, with some minor changes. Thanks for letting me know and my apologies for any confusion i may have caused. Alansohn (talk) 14:48, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Monique Samuels
If she was born in Atlantic City, is it necessary to note she grew up seven miles away? It seems as superfluous as saying someone was born in Brooklyn and grew up in Queens. I'm also doubtful that citing a podcast is appropriate. I could listen to the entire episode and subjectively decide her statements at 1:07, 4:59, 16:06, and 28:37 are encyclopedic and that they warrant inclusion. Next thing you know, the podcast is cited to verify 80% of the article when WP:NPOV advises against precisely that. Better not to cite it at all. KyleJoan talk 17:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , I was born in Place A, but only lived there for the first two days of my life, while I group up in Place B; if I were to ever have a Wikipedia article, someone could say that I was born in Place A and could find a source to back that up, but so what; it's far more relevant that I group up in Place B. Most people aren't born and raised in the same place where they were born. It appears that Samuels was born in Atlantic City because there is a hospital there and was raised in Pleasantville because that's where she lived with her family. The only source that connects her to Atlantic City is her own website, while the source where she is quoted as saying that she grew up in Pleasantville was a direct quote from her in an interview with a site run by an independent and notable third party, Andy Ockershausen.I'm not sure why we need to mention Atlantic City, New Jersey, as there's no evidene that she ever lived there and no independent source that she was born there, other than her own website. The more relevant place in her life is Pleasantville, New Jersey, and the distance between her place of birth and where she was raised seems irrelevant. I'm not sure what your opposition is to including her hometown of Pleasantville, but would this source from the New York Post, which says that "Sheppard, 34, was pronounced dead at Atlanticare Regional Medical Center City Campus shortly after cops responded to a 911 call about the shooting. He hailed from Samuels’ hometown of Pleasantville, NJ." be better than the podcast transcript? Alansohn (talk) 19:13, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The words on her own platform need further verification but the words she says on a podcast do not? Huh? Verifiability isn't the issue here; NPOV is. The New York Post is unreliable per WP:RSP, so whether the information they publish is correct, their content should not be used to support any neutral statement or given weight in that manner. The place that is far more relevant in your view isn't compatible with MOS:BIRTHDATE, which never mentions the necessity of specifying where someone grew up. It sounds like you're saying "I'd like to add this material, and this podcast is the only source I could find" rather than "this reliable source said it, warranting inclusion". Like I said, what if I listen to that episode and include ten other claims I find important? Imagine reading a BLP that cites a podcast more times than it does actual news outlets. KyleJoan talk 02:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , as the source is reliable, and the statements it includes come straight from her, and meet the characteristics of WP:SELFPUB at a minimum, what difference does it make that there is a lot of useful information available. Unfortunately, "what if I listen to that episode and include ten other claims I find important?" isn't a policy, it's your own opinion, and only yours. I'll reinsert the details with another source. Alansohn (talk) 02:05, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A podcast is reliable? I should cite Joe Rogan's in more articles then. So it was appropriate for you to cite that podcast to support one claim, but it would be inappropriate for me to cite that same podcast for other claims? Got it. KyleJoan talk 02:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , what a person says about themselves in a self-published source is reliable as long as it meets WP:SELFPUB. I don't know what you're talking about some things being reliable, but you may want to understand the policies on the topic. As long as the source from Bravo doesn't have too much useful information, I assume that it meets your approval? Alansohn (talk) 02:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not even following what you're saying anymore. First, there was no independent source that she was born [in Atlantic City], then what a person says about themselves in a self-published source is reliable. Not sure when sources that contain too much useful information were ever relevant in this discussion (or what that's even about). While I appreciate the tip about understanding reliable sources, I think knowing not to cite the New York Post shows I understand just fine. KyleJoan talk 03:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , if you're willing to accept the source placing her as being from Pleasantville, then this is all moot. Conversation is over and you are free to continue being confused. Perhaps reading the policies will help. Alansohn (talk) 03:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Ion Hanford Perdicaris
I disagree with removing the important significance of the ratification of the U.S Constitution vs the Ordinance of Secession. The one individual signed the U.S. Constitution while the other individual signed a document abolishing it. The statement is significant to the article because it establishes the significance of both individuals relative to Perdicaris. ‘’’The same family that added South Carlina to the Union by ratifying the U.S. Constitution took South Carolina out of the Union by Ordinance of Secession. Captain Henry McIver now resembled his Great Grandfather Captain William Dewitt. ‘’’Tzim78 (talk) 19:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC) Thank YouTzim78 (talk) 21:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , I've been familiar with the Perdicaris family and I read this article with some small amount of knowledge about the story, and you did a lot of great work on this article. There are some parts that are repetitive, others that go into too much detail and some that is very hard to understand. The details about McIver are not about Perdicaris; they belong in an article about McIver and / or Dewitt. Next issue is the word "resembled". He didn't look like his great grandfather. It makes no sense.Keep the good stuff, but trim the article down to make it more focused on Perdicaris himself. Alansohn (talk) 20:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for noticing the plagiarism in this article. Unfortunately, the way you placed the copyvio template had the effect of blanking the whole article, when in fact only the "History" section contained plagiarism, and the other sections were OK. I have therefore changed the template to affect only the "History" section. Scythe33 (talk) 20:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Alan, I just moved this page to its original title, however, the paper looks like it is based in nearby Parsippany, not far from Morristown. Would you be okay with it being moved to "Daily Record (New Jersey)" which is currently a redirect. Thanks for your assistance. Tinton5 (talk) 02:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , I'd support that as a better option. Thanks for reaching out. Alansohn (talk) 01:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * , why? Alansohn (talk) 20:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Riverdale Park (Bronx)
I was attempting to cite the page numbers. I had to ask for help to cluster the citations, but I couldn't figure out how to include the page numbers (which the help I got didn't include), hence including them inline in parentheses. I was hoping you could put them into the citations rather than simply deleting them, as you did with your edit. Thanks. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , now I better understand what you were trying to do. I edited the article to use Template:Rp which allows the specific pages to be listed together with the reference section, rather than inline as part of the text. See Help:References and page numbers for more details. Thanks for our work on the article. I hope this helps. Alansohn (talk) 20:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

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Same sex couples in municipal demographics sections
Hi Alansohn. How can we get same-sex couple demographics incorporated into the 2020 Census sections? For a progressive state such as New Jersey, it seems unbelievable that this data is not in there. Happy to help. Best, Castncoot (talk) 17:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , getting data for the 2020 census has been harder than I thought it would be in general, but I will see what data is available. Thanks as always for all of your efforts and for reaching out. Alansohn (talk) 17:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Unless I am seeing things...
Hello comrade. Please take a second look at this edit. I would prefer it if you took care of it yourself if indeed it needs a revert, which seems pretty obvious. Happy summer.  Stony Brook  babble 02:59, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , notable, yes. Sources, no. And as I'm not seeing sources, delete. Alansohn (talk) 12:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

re "unneeded sub-heading text"
Hi Alansohn,

Moving this conversation to your talk page if you don't mind. I have been cleaning up "Notable people" lists for some time, tens of thousands actually, and was just removing text that isn't found on really any of the other lists that I come across. Eventually I'll have completed every town and city in the United States, as well as several other countries around the globe. For the most part I do not make any major changes. Also, I have Retinitis pigmentosa, and sometimes have a hard time seeing everything at once, so I have long since favored editing in my style. I still try to keep it in as few edits as possible. It used to be hundreds where now it is maybe a dozen at tops for a single page. Thank you very much. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 01:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the reply. In terms of lists of notable people, I find it hard to understand why we need to have a race to the bottom and include only what you've seen elsewhere. There are huge numbers of unsourced entries in lists of notables in articles worldwide, which would be a pretty poor reason to remove sources from articles that include them. I'm not sure that it should be required to have a subheading or to use the Category see also template, but it strikes me that "unneeded" is a very poor justification to enforce some sort of global Procrustean Bed in which only those features used everywhere are allowed. Alansohn (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not remove unsourced entries by the way. That is indeed found in many a NP list. As it relates to a "race to the bottom", I do not think this is degrading the quality of any of the New Jersey NP lists to remove a single line of sub-heading text, do you really think it is harming those lists when I remove that? Thank you again. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 01:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * , there is no automated means to keep a list of notable people in an article in synch with the corresponding category. Using the Template:Category see also provides a mechanism to provide a cross reference from a list of notables to the category, just as the category header can provide a cross reference back to the article. Removing these details, which explain the purpose of the section and the category cross reference to find the lowest common denominator in all such lists is distinctly negative. I don't see any reason to require them, nor any reason to remove them, but in my opinion, yes, their removal makes the articles less useful to the reader. Alansohn (talk) 02:11, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you monitor the NP lists in NJ, and truly would prefer that I stop removing said text to standardize it in line with the rest of the country, then I can leave it be for you. Thank you. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 02:16, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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Hello again,

I am fine with moving the content. Notable people lists do not have groups or bands of any kind though, while they are called "Notable people" lists (not "Notable residents" mind you, and "Notable residents" titled list should be renamed), they really act as "Notable individuals" lists. Other sections of any given article are best suited for the governors content or content about any said band or group.

I'll cede the point regarding my outright removing it though and not simply moving it to another section. We should be moving content not appropriate in one section, to another, and not removing. Thank you. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 23:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify on that point as I've seen it outlined as policy (on bands/groups in NP lists). The problem is that we cannot be sure of a band or group being static in perpetuity, and thus the members may or may not be from said XYZ town/city. Whereas an individual will always have a clear connection, or not, to a place. If it can be proven as verifiable and it is notable, then it merits inclusion. The NP lists though are meant to be short, and I have been scolded also for adding such pieces on numerous occasions, so I've learned after thousands and thousands of towns and cities, what is also generally acceptable and what is not—from an encyclopedic standpoint of course. That said, I do agree that such information still ought to be preserved and included in other parts of the article. Where that is, has far less agreement, and thus I will mostly defer to you as the resident expert on New Jersey that I have thus far encountered as I work through the entire state. I'll be done in another week or so at my current rate. Maybe a little more or less. Thank you. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 23:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

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Check the alphabetization before resorting notables incorrectly: response
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Citing lists of school districts in New Jersey counties
Hi!

I discovered the census bureau has an easy way to list school districts, so one can add the census maps and text lists to lists of school districts by county.

For New Jersey, the 2020 maps are at https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/DC2020/PL20/st34_nj/schooldistrict_maps/. For the 2010 census maps are at https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/dc10map/sch_dist/st34_nj/.

Accompanied with the PDF maps are simple text lists of each set of districts per county. This includes non-operating districts.

I cited such for Cape May County, New Jersey, and you're welcome to do other counties! WhisperToMe (talk) 04:30, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , I saw the edit for Cape May. Definitely worth integrating into other articles. How did you fond this? Alansohn (talk) 11:42, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I found block maps (maps of incorporated places and census-designated places) on the Census Bureau website (as I needed maps of census-designated places and the Census Bureau itself defines them - which is how I found it)... and then for 2010 they started posting school district maps. The school district maps are very helpful as they overlay municipalities, townships, and census-designated places with the school district boundaries. Also they cleanly list all school districts for each county (so all you have to do is copy+paste the text, remove the extraneous stuff, and wikify the list). WhisperToMe (talk) 14:52, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , these are very useful sources to incorporate into articles. Thanks again for digging in and sharing your find. Alansohn (talk) 14:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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Combining minor edits – response
Hello Alansohn,

I am winding down on New Jersey now, given that I am now in the towns and cities that are only 4 digits of population instead of 5 or more. Those typically take me far less time, so I hope to be done soon enough and then no longer need hassle you at all. That said, I generally try and consolidated edits into as low of an edit count as possible. Sometimes, specifically in sections that are harder for me to visually inspect, like the "Education" sections that has a combination of both year formatting and en dash fixes, I do end up missing some and going back for a second pass. I try to avoid this as best I possibly can, but I also just wanted to reassure you that it shouldn't be too much longer now for my aesthetic fixes to now completely apply across all municipalities of NJ. Thank you for your patience, and I understand that it is not my aim to clutter up your watchlist, or anyone else's. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 15:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the reply. I understand and appreciate all of your efforts. Alansohn (talk) 16:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! If you ever want to leave a "thank" on any of my edits, I really appreciate those as well, but no pressure. Have a great day. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 17:00, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

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Classification of NJ school districts
When going through the US Census Bureau list of Bergen County districts I found some districts they listed as "Unified" (meaning legally can take grades K-12) do not take all such grades (for example only having K-8, K-6, or K-5 and sending other students). Are there different classifications legally among these districts under New Jersey law, or do they all have the same classification? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , as helpful as the listings from the Census Bureau are, the term "unified" isn't used in the name of any school districts in the state. Whether the district is K-12 or if its's K-6/K-8 or7-12/9-12, the same set of names are used. The article List of school districts in New Jersey should have an article for every district in the state. Alansohn (talk) 04:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed the "Unified" bit seems to have been taken by the census bureau from California. The names the census Bureau uses for the NJ districts don't themselves have "Unified" in them, but rather it's a classification of what grade spans the districts "legally" cover (the Census Bureau uses the same "Unified" category whether the district is in TX, or CA, or NY).
 * I suspect what the Census Bureau is doing is measuring what the districts themselves "cover". For example Sea Isle City School District is a non-operating district but I think it's non-operating K-12 (so for all K-12 grades it is the school district that does sending/receiving), while Cape May City School District is K-6 and Lower Cape May Regional School District is 7-12. (So people in Cape May are legally in a K-6 district and in a 7-12 district)
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 05:19, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , I concur with your guess. It seems that districts that send students to other districts for some or all of K-12 as part of sending / receiving relationships (where the sending district pays tuition for its students) are listed as K-12 districts, while those that are members of multiple districts (such as your example of Cape May or of River Edge and Oradell each having their own K-6 district and sharing River Dell for 7-12) are not listed as unified. Where there are "mistakes" listing districts incorrectly as K-12 they should be listed correctly as K-6 / K-8 as the Census Bureau only catalogues information and doesn't decide the structure of districts. Alansohn (talk) 15:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * One thing I would do is to confirm how the State of New Jersey catalogues these districts, as after all the states (not the federal government) decide the structure of the school districts, and citing the state of New Jersey in what it does. Indeed the census Bureau, for other states, shows other districts which "cover" K-12 but send all their students elsewhere. (such as Walnut Grove Elementary School District or Rucker Elementary School District) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * And the Census Bureau assigns districts a name in the format of Place Name / Type of Government / School District. This can be seen in this edit there are links to Atlantic Highlands Borough School District, Colts Neck Township School Districta and dozens of other such artificial names. Why add these artificial names and create redirects? Why not use the names of the articles? Alansohn (talk) 15:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirects are used to point someone to the right place. Somebody might read the census maps, look for a district with "X" name, and not find it (because the district is in fact at a different name, and I have punched in these names into Wikipedia searches to see if the articles came up: they did not always). The redirects are there to show people that this is the actual name and that this is where the article actually is. Also, I'm wondering if this is how the State of New Jersey is reporting the info to the Census Bureau or if the Census Bureau itself is making these names (for Arizona districts I see "XXX Elementary District" which matches what the Arizona Department of Education lists them https://www.azed.gov/mobile-elementary-district ) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems the State of New Jersey lists districts differently in different documents. https://homeroom5.doe.state.nj.us/directory/district.php?alldistricts=1 - Compare with the Census Bureau list of Cape May County districts. Here NJ lists "Avalon School District" but the Census Bureau lists "Avalon Borough School District". However in this XLS the State uses "Avalon Borough School District" (though here it cites the Census) https://www.state.nj.us/state/assets/2020-census-data/adjusted-data/school-districts/unified-school-districts_R2.xlsx WhisperToMe (talk) 16:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Also I found military bases sometimes have separate school zoning from the rest of the township. From the Census Bureau it shows the Burlington County portion of Joint Base McGuire–Dix–Lakehurst is its own school district, and this .mil site confirms it, showing people on -post pick from one of three school districts. (this is one case where the feds do have supremacy over the state) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

We have five different ways to find the names for New Jersey school districts: 1) The United States Census Bureau (in the maps / lists you've added); 2) the National Center for Education Statistics; 3) the New Jersey Department of Education; 4) the district website / documentation; and 5) the common name used in the media to refer to the district. Where articles exist, they tend to use some mix of the official name or common name. The federal and state sources are useful, but the names used rarely match the names used by the districts and in their Wikipedia articles. I edited the article for Bergen County, New Jersey and used the actual article titles and grade ranges, rather than the good faith guesses made by the Census Bureau. I also added sources for districts in the county from the NCES and from the NJDoE. I hope that this is a useful model and I look forward to working together to improve these articles. Alansohn (talk) 00:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I look forward to working together to improving them as well! WhisperToMe (talk) 01:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

BTW I'm trying to find a source confirming the Teterboro non-operating school district consolidated in 2010, but the citation for that 404s and an archive wasn't saved. I checked NJ government websites, Newspapers.com, and National Center for Education Statistics but had no luck finding a definitive source :( WhisperToMe (talk) 04:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , the citation you're looking for is in the article for Hasbrouck Heights School District, but the source isn't live and was excluded from the Internet Archive. We'll find it. One day. Alansohn (talk) 11:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * And another source should be the Annual Comprehensive Financial Report for the Hasbrouck Heights School District, which makes no mention of Teterboro at all. Alansohn (talk) 12:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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Fredon Township, New Jersey alphabetization
Hello again,

I should finally be done with NJ today, so that is good at least. I just wanted to ask you about the alphabetization you recently reverted. I believe my edit was correct, I went back and checked, and either name that the person goes by "Delicate Steve" OR "Steve Marion" would be last in the list of these Notable people. Behind where I put this entry, under, "Uli Derickson" (D) and Charles Joseph Fletcher (F). Either "Steve" (S) or "Marion" (M) would be last in terms of standard alphabetization, no? Thank you. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 16:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

"Dumping poop"
I think you make an articulate and well rounded argument in the "Dumping poop" section in favor of abolishing IP editing without first registering. I have come around to this POV, and think that it would serve the encyclopedia well. Oh, I also made a small copy edit to your post by changing double dashes to the more widely used em dashes, feel free to revert this if it is not your preference since it is after all on your user page. Take care then. ♥ Th78blue (talk) ♥ 02:25, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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Freshman year
No, I don't need to be "far more careful" with the script. I changed "freshman" to "first" manually, because many non-US readers won't understand the former.

Apology for your wrong accusation? <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  03:42, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


 * , Your edit, which described itself as "Script-assisted style fixes, per MOS:NUM", included a change to a direct quotation, the kind surrounded by quotation marks. I seek no apology from you, but I do hope that you will read through your changes and verify them before pressing save and doing so with far greater care, including not changing quotations. You are well past your freshman year on Wikipedua. Alansohn (talk) 03:53, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Where is this change to a direct quotation? Ah, I see: "freshman" was directly quoted, in which I case I got it wrong. But writing "I do hope that you will read through your changes and verify them before pressing save and doing so with far greater care" is irrelevant, since I obviously changed it manually at that local place: anyone can make mistakes: it wasn't a matter of "reading through", or of the script. You might have drawn attention to the issue at the time, rather than create a wild goose chase, wasting your and my time. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  04:35, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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discussion at ANI
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Weequahic Park Lake
Hello Sir, I am asking for your assistance about the Weequahic Park Lake which is the largest in Essex County. Some ip address changed it and said in the edit summary that there are many lakes in Essex County that are much larger. So I changed it back. Again this person removed the "largest lake in Essex County". Can you please assist me with this matter. It is in fact the largest lake in Essex County. Thank You, Doriden (talk) 11:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , which article is this in? Is there a source to back up the claim? Alansohn (talk) 21:46, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

The article about the Weequahic section of Newark. It mentions a reservoir being bigger but a reservoir is not a lake and vice versa. Check it out please. Thank you, Doriden (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


 * , per this source, "A reservoir is the same thing as a lake in many peoples' minds. But, in fact, a reservoir is a manmade lake that is created when a dam is built on a river." I'm still not sure what the exact issue is about the Weequahic Park Lake, but would specifying that it's a natural lake help clarify the issue? Alansohn (talk) 12:51, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

OK, like I told Larrykoen, I have since forgotten all about it. But thanks anyway. Doriden (talk) 13:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2022 November newsletter
The 2022 WikiCup has drawn to a close with the final round going down to the wire. The 2022 champion is
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski (1752 points), who won in 2020 and was runner up in both 2019 and last year. In the final round he achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on cue sports. He was closely followed by
 * Bloom6132 (1732), who specialised in "In the news" items and DYKs, and who has reached the final round of the Cup for the past three years. Next was
 * ICS Zulu.svg BennyOnTheLoose (1238), another cue sports enthusiast, also interested in songs, followed by
 * Muboshgu (1082), an "In the news" contributor, a seasoned contestant who first took part in the Cup ten years ago. Other finalists were
 * Transgender Pride flag.svg Sammi Brie (930), who scored with a featured article, good articles and DYKs on TV and radio stations,
 * 🇺🇳 Kavyansh.Singh (370), who created various articles on famous Americans, including an FA on Louis H. Bean, famed for his prediction of election outcomes. Next was
 * PCN02WPS (292), who scored with good articles and DYKs on sporting and other topics and
 * Z1720 (25) who had DYKs on various topics including historic Canadians.

During the WikiCup, contestants achieved 37 featured articles, 349 good articles, 360 featured article reviews, 683 good article reviews and 480 In the news items, so Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors. Well done everyone! All those who reached the final round will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or the overall leader in this field.


 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski wins the featured article prize, for a total of 6 FAs during the course of the competition and 3 in the final round.
 * 🇺🇳 Kavyansh.Singh wins the featured list prize, for 3 FLs in round 2.
 * Pirate Flag of Jack Rackham.svg Adam Cuerden wins the featured picture prize, for 39 FPs during the competition.
 * Z1720 wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 35 FARs in round 4.
 * Epicgenius wins the good article prize, for 32 GAs in round 1.
 * Flag of Provo, Utah (1989–2015).svg SounderBruce wins the featured topic prize, for 4 FT articles in round 1.
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski wins the good topic prize, for 34 GT articles in round 5.
 * Transgender Pride flag.svg Sammi Brie wins the good article reviewer prize, for 71 GARs overall.
 * Transgender Pride flag.svg Sammi Brie wins the Did you know prize, for 30 DYKs in round 3 and 106 overall.
 * Bloom6132 wins the In the news prize, for 106 ITNs in round 5 and 289 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January and possible changes to the rules and scoring are being discussed on the discussion page. You are invited to sign up to take part in the contest; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to have a good turnout for the 2023 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners and finalists, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:28, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Re: Acton, New Jersey
Hi Alan, points well taken. I realize not "all" communities warrant articles which is what prompted me to start building to these recently redirected ones. With all due respect, you created the Acton, New Jersey page in 2015. Thanks for your assistance as usual. Tinton5 (talk) 03:58, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the reply. Acton, New Jersey is an example of an article that was created with the hope that it could -- and would be -- expanded, but never was. With that realization, it was converted into a redirect and I support that change, hoping that it can be turned into a full-fledged article once more material is available to meet WP:GEOLAND. Alansohn (talk) 12:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:NJ Bergen County Commissioners
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Nomination for deletion of Template:NJ Legislative 01
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Nomination for deletion of Template:NJ Congress 01
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Books & Bytes – Issue 53
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