User talk:Albanialover

June 2022
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Kazimir Malevich, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Mellk (talk) 19:50, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, edits like these will only result in a block. Mellk (talk) 19:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

“Kyiv” is the anglicized version of «Київ». Since Kyiv is a Ukrainian city, it’s only appropriate to use the anglicized version of the Ukrainian spelling. Albanialover (talk) 14:20, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your opinion, but the consensus was already established here: Talk:Kyiv/Archive 9. You are not only changing the spelling but making other unsourced changes. So I suggest to stop continuing your disruptive behaviour after you've already been warned otherwise you risk getting blocked. If you are not familiar with WP policies, why not ask instead? Mellk (talk) 15:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Kazimir Malevich, you may be blocked from editing. Mellk (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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Champ, you don’t decide how it’s spelled. It’s a Ukrainian city. It’s get spelled the Ukrainian way and the internationally recognized transliterated version. Please refrain from letting your emotions and biases get in the way of academic matters. I’m sorry if you feel “Kiev” is the correct term, but it’s not. Let me know if you need anything else! Albanialover (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, because the consensus determined this as already clearly mentioned. And if you are unwilling to follow basic WP policies, then this is a simple case of WP:NOTHERE. But OK, it is already clear that there is no point in further explaining. Mellk (talk) 19:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Kazimir Malevich. Mellk (talk) 19:17, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

King, the consensus is wrong. You seem to be incredibly knowledgeable on Wikipedia. How would one go around changing the consensus? Albanialover (talk) 19:24, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This was the outcome of requests for comment (RfC). As the article Kiev was moved to Kyiv in 2020 as a result of a move request there was disagreement on using "Kyiv" and "Kiev" on certain articles. So there is consensus to not change "Kiev" in historical topics (like the article Kazimir Malevich). The full details are there. And to note I did not participate in this RfC. For the consensus to change, in this case a discussion on talk:Kyiv, probably a RfC, but I highly doubt this would change. For example there were move requests for Kievan Rus' to Kyivan Rus' but they got closed early due to overwhelming opposition. Any other questions? Mellk (talk) 19:38, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

King, thank you for your answer. I will move to change the consensus. Now let’s say, theoretically, I were to revert the article and ignore the consensus. What would happen? (I’m going to revert the article) Albanialover (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You will end up in the administrators' noticeboard where you will likely receive a block. Mellk (talk) 19:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

King, thank you for the answer. In regards to “ there is consensus to not change "Kiev" in historical topics” I feel changing the location of birth and residence doesn’t violate this. You wouldn’t call Alaska “ Alyaska” simply because it was historically Russian land. However I will leave the spelling in the education the same. Is this acceptable to you? Albanialover (talk) 19:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Education section* Albanialover (talk) 19:54, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I did not invent this so I am not sure why you are asking me this. But the consensus is clear:
 * For unambiguously current / ongoing topics (e.g. Kyiv Metro), Kyiv is preferred
 * For unambiguously historical topics (e.g. Kiev Offensive), do not change existing content
 * For any edge cases, or in case of doubt or dispute, an RfC or move request debate is recommended
 * In all cases, name changes must follow the WP:BRD cycle
 * So I would not suggest changing any of this, especially after you've been reverted and received warnings. There are no such exceptions listed. Mellk (talk) 20:02, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it’s clearly not historical. The spelling of Kyiv has no effect on relevance, and doesn't change the historical context at all. Albanialover (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You can disagree with it all you want, but choosing to ignore it won't get you far. The general rule of thumb as it says there is after 1991/95 is current rather than historical. Mellk (talk) 20:26, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Champ, while I respect your opinion (I don't) It’s not being used in an historical context, so the rule doesn’t apply. Albanialover (talk) 20:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It says historical topics. The topic of the article is historical. This is pretty clear. Otherwise all instances of "Kiev" would all have already been replaced. And WP:BRD should be followed anyway, so there is no valid reason to go back and reinstate your changes. Mellk (talk) 20:44, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

King, I hear you loud and clear! However, I don’t care. Albanialover (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I would suggest using the talk page to get input, otherwise you are looking at a block. Mellk (talk) 20:49, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

King, thank you for voicing your opinions. However, I’m right, and you’re wrong. We can’t all be winners! Albanialover (talk) 20:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I am sure you noticed that your last edits to the article were all reverted on the policy basis. If you continue, I will make sure that you can not edit the article anymore. You activity here in the last several months is a textbook example of WP:NOTHERE. Ymblanter (talk) 21:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

King, thank you for voicing your opinion. However, I am clearly intellectual superior to yourself, you simply are not able to understand my position properly. As the bigger person (both physically and mentally) I respectfully decline your warning, and will continue on my path of righteousness. Albanialover (talk) 01:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I meant to say Intellectually but my point still stands Albanialover (talk) 01:38, 24 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, please respond there. Ymblanter (talk) 08:08, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions notice
Gusfriend (talk) 09:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Gusfriend, thank you for this notice. I have thought about this quite heavily. I have allowed for this information to permeate my mind and flow throughout my body. I have come to the conclusion after what felt like days, decades, even, perhaps even centuries, dare I say eons? That I should indeed tone down my rather dubious attitude. Thank you for the enlightenment. Albanialover (talk) 18:30, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

August 2022
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Unfair and targeted block
Albanialover (talk) 18:28, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Dear jpgordon, if you cannot see that I am the victim of a targeted and potentially anti semetically motivated   movement to slander and defame myself, I am afraid you are blind. Ignorant. Naive, even. Perhaps even oblivious. I will not forget about this JP. Albanialover (talk) 14:06, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Could we please have talk page access removed? I am not sure I like being called an antisemite. Ymblanter (talk) 14:22, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yup. TPA removed. Aren't veiled threats fun? --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 14:25, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * , I thought that was directed at me, not you. Was a little offended by it – if I'm going to be called an anti-Semite, I'd at least want it not to be mis-spelt. Thanks,, I was mulling doing the same thing. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps a little bit fair but uncalled for block
Dear esteemed and established Wikipedia Administrators, let me just preface this revised statement by saying that I have cut out my extremely offensive and rude, hurtful, even, perhaps even derogatory, comment about one of Wikipedia's established administrators. I would also like to thank "jpgordon" for enlightening me and helping me improve my self. With that being said, on August 24th I was the victim of a targeted and coordinated movement to de platform myself of my Wikipedia membership and to slander to defame my well respected name. Not only do I feel that this action was targeted, but also very unfair. Firstly, the gentleman who blocked me did so almost immediately after I received a DS. I was ready to reflect on myself and some of my rather dubious qualities. Why would you block someone who has just been warned before letting him respond? Secondly, the topic of discussion was over the spelling of “Kyiv”, and I wholeheartedly believe that I was in line with the consensus. The spelling of “Kyiv” in the context that it was in had absolutely zero relevance to the historical context, nor was the historical message being altered. My dear administrators, friends, acquaintances, even, I come before you today to kindly ask, request, perhaps appeal, dare I say plea? To be unblocked. Thank you for your time Albanialover (talk) 20:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)