User talk:Aldux/Archive 7

Need your opinion, Problem - article: Kiro Gligorov
There were plenty of disputes between me and user Funkyfly on the Kiro Gligorov article (plz check version history and the discussion) but no one ever came to help us to solve them. The dispute turned into reverting of the article over and over which of course is going nowhere. Knowing that you are sort of veteran here, i hope you can check this problem out, please. If you could intervene on the Vergina Star article, Im sure you can intervene here as well (in the name of objectivity right?).

Funkyfly's side:

He/She (sorry I dont know) claims that Kiro Gligorov declared Bulgarian ethnicity in Sofia in 1942. And not only that but it seems to me personally (correct me if Im wrong) that this wikipedia user is trying to turn the whole point of this living person biographical article into "KIRO GLIGOROV IS BULGARIAN?", like it is the most important subject in the whole story. All the time he/she insists on those statements of his/hers.

To supoort such claims, that user provides links to some document scans without offering much explanations about them. And I must note, unfortunatelly user Funkyfly behaves in a quite arrogant way.

My side: I noticed those scans are published on the official website of the bulgarian nationalist political party VMRO-BND, section for the city of Plovdiv (note: this political party is quite "anti-Gligorov"). Im not saying that such documents should be always ignored! if they are published by some political party, that doesn't mean they are fake by default. Or maybe they ARE fake? We simply dont know. Seeing that the discussion goes nowhere I insisted that at least a detailed explanation of those links should be added cause the readers deserve to know what they're clicking (and they are clicking a link to a website of a political party). Contrary to him/her, for those ceratin links that I added, I also added all the possible details to help the readers (according to Wikipedia rules: detailed explanation of external links is required) so they would know what they're clicking.

Also, user Funkyfly insists that the following sentence should remain untouched, quote: During his studies in the University of Sofia in 1941, and when applying for a position as a lawyer in 1942, Kiro Gligorov declared Bulgarian ethnicity.(end of quote). No source, no citation, no footnote, absolutely nothing is provided, except those questinable scans which are actually not connected to this sentence in any way (footnote, reference or something). The sentence just stays "naked" like it is a 100% absolute truth :)

When I asked for a citation for this problematic statement, user Funkyfly removed the "citation needed" note that i left, without even trying to explain anything. If you can check at the history of the article, he/she never bothers to explain his/her changes in a normal manner.

Also I have pointed out that Gligorov was a member of the Antifascist Assembly of the National Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM) in 1944 (so just two years after he "declares as Bulgarian" he suddenly fights those same Bulgarians to form a Macedonian state?!) and he was also a high ranking official during Tito's Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia recognized a separate Macedonian nation), so Gligorov is what the bulgarian nationalist can clearly label as an adherent of the macedonism which is completely contrary to the pro-Bulgarian views! Also I have pointed out that Bulgaria as Hitler's ally was not a democratic country with full respect of national rights, so logically, when Gligorov was filling those forms (the scanned documents) he certainly couldnt state any other nationality except Bulgarian of course :) Many fascist regimes during WWII imposed various measures for ethnic homogenization, assimilation etc. on the freshly occupied territories. I dont see why Bulgaria should be treated as an exception. Before the WWII Gligorov also use to have a serbian name like everybody else in what is today Republic of Macedonia, which was then a part of the serbian dominated Kingdom of Yugoslaviauntil 1941. But that certainly doesnt mean he was Serbian too, of course.

Please let me know about your opinion. Thank you. --Vbb-sk-mk 18:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help, Aldux, I really apprecciatte it. Now, I really dont want to bother you again, its just i want to point out that meanwhile the same user mentioned above has continued his/her misbehaviour which can be clearly noticed in another article related to Kiro Gligorov and thats ASNOM. For me as an ordinary surfer, his/her aim to take control over every article related to Republic of Macedonia is quite obvious, plz correct me if Im too paranoid. Those same statements that you removed like "Kiro Gligorov declared Bulgarian etnhnicity" and so on, are just copied and pasted in the article about ASNOM too. And again, there are no sources, no footnotes and quite poor explanations.(check the history page also plz). The situation is similar with the article about Lazar Koliševski, but thats another story. Theres no way for me to solve those problems as I do not present any authority here and that user mentioned above is treating everything as his/her private property. On the other hand I do not wish to torture u with these balkanian troubles, im sure u have more important things in life. this was just an information on how articles related to RoM are constantly being treated. Thank you again for ur kind attention.--Vbb-sk-mk 03:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess some Republicans would rather see the history of their greatest leaders "untainted" by their obvious cooperation with the Bulgarian "occupiers".   /FunkyFly.talk_  14:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Funkfly, as you see Im trying to avoid further quarells and hostilities. Reverting the article over and over, "war of ego's" or insulting each other's nation is definetly not a solution. Im just asking for a sort of arbitration by a respected and experienced user from a "neutral country"(in this case it's Italy). As you can see I also presented the POV of the both sides in this dispute. As I said, those documents MAY be 100% true, but we are simply far from being 100% sure yet, so right now that's highly questionable. And speaking of your behaviour, its quite obvious.

For Aldux: if I said or did anything wrong Im sure you will tell me. Thank you in advance. --Vbb-sk-mk 16:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Bla bla blah. 100% sure but still highly questionable. Make up your mind.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Afrika paprika is ignoring your block
For all this time, Afrika has been ignoring your block. No check-user is needed since the edits clearly show it's him and he self-identifies as such. --PaxEquilibrium 18:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. I actually came here to report the same thing. The specific edit Pax is talking about that demonstrates the behavior is this. --Kuzaar-T-C- 19:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi,
Would you like to take a look at this article? Thanks, Bomac 18:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Alexander the Great
Hi Aldux, as you suggested, I'm trying to edit this article so it's better sourced; perhaps you'd like to see how it's going? As I suspected, one of our editors doesn't like my changes. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ciao, Aldux. I would appreciate your opinion on this kerfuffle. As far as I am concerned, je m'en fous whether AtG is considered this or that. The issue is whether a "masticabibbia" contingent is steering the the article to its own ends. I found particularly revealing an edit comment by one of the group, "The Discussion Does not Warrant This Category given the evidence is not there; if that's the case we might as well place sexual oriented categories in every ancient Greek biography" not only because it is patently false, as have been most of their arguments, but because it offers a glimpse of where this is headed - the removal or blocking of sexual categories from a culture renowned for its homophile interests. It seems to me both dangerous and unwise to cave in to this pressure, since history has shown all too well that appeasement does not work. Haiduc 16:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Aldux, this may interest you. The user has a grand total of 3 edits at this point. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, working on a RFCU right now. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Guagamela
I already showed you the Iranica link that clearly states that those numbers are worthless.Khosrow II 00:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Iranica is one source, not The Truth&#8482;; its position should be stated, but you can't pretend to remove the primary sources on the battle numbers only because you don't like them. I haven't heard of the wikipolicy WP:CENSURE; so they shall remain. Obviously, you can use reliable sources that believe those numbers are untrustworthy, that explain their point.--Aldux 00:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Mywayyy (again and again)
Hey Aldux, I think Mywayyy might be using a meatpuppet or something, but can you please semi-protect OTE and Aegean Sea? I'm sick and tired of reverting him. Thanks. &mdash; Khoikhoi 06:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Please? :-) &mdash; Khoikhoi 02:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks - also Thessaloniki. &mdash; Khoikhoi 22:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello Aldux
Hi Aldux, I was going to leave Akhilleus a message regarding the whole Alexander debate and saw your question about me being mistaken for Cretanpride again. No, I am not Cretanpride, they did have a check done on me on Akhilleus request. I apologize for the confusion. Regards.Apro 13 October 2006

PS: I didn't reply nor participate on any of that user James request. If for some reason my replys are coming of Cretanpridish like, that was not my intentions. If yes then I apologize for that. Apro 13 October 2006


 * Oh, sorry, you guys were talking about that other guy. Never mind. I apologize I thought it was about me. Regards. :) Apro 13 October 2006

People who are used synonymous with the word traitor
I listed historical people whose name has been used and are used as synonymous with betrayal and collaboration with the enemy. Ephialtes seems to be one in Greece, more internationally Brytys and Judas and Quisling. In United States everyone knows what is ment by calling someone Benedict Arnold as is the casse with Kuusinen in my home country. Brutus and Judas lived 500 years later than Ephialtes. There is no periodical connection there and it is not even needed since each time period and culture has it's own historical example of the basic character of a traitor. Ephialtes is the mythical traitor of the anticent Greek history and   Brutus is the one for Imperial Rome, Judas for Christianity, Quisling for Norway and much of Western Europe under Nazis adn Kuusinen for Finns who fought the Soviets. In fact there should be a category for achtypes like traitors in history. Please, don't revert the changes.Spespatriae 14:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Benedict Arnold is probably the most natural eponym for treason in American English. Septentrionalis 00:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Al
Hope you're online. Kindly check if you can semi-protect Genocide denial. An anon persistently removes the Armenian Genocide. I'll rv for now, but can't say if the version will stay. Thanks. •N i k o S il v e r• 20:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * User:Clevelander beat me to it. Please check about semi-protection. •N i k o S il v e r•  20:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Chad at the Olympics
Hello, I noticed that you have just created CHA-Summer-Olympics and are editing specific "Chad at the Summer Olympics" pages. Before you get much further, I request that you look at the new infobox style for the "Nation at the Olympics" pages (e.g. Infobox Olympics Chad, and Chad at the 1968 Summer Olympics) and use those instead. Thanks. Andrwsc 21:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Did you...
...check your e-mail before you log in? •N i k o S il v e r• 21:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * same :-) •N i k o S il v e r•  22:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject History of Greece Newsletter - Issue II - October 2006
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Cleopatra
I edited the article to best fit other cases. The article is not neutrual and shows only one side of a complex story

This is off a Discovery Channel Site

http://www.discoverychannelasia.com/ontv_egyptweek/death_cleopatra/index.shtml

The Mysterious Death of Cleopatra tackles a cold case of regal proportions. Cleopatra inherited the throne of Egypt at age 17, before dodging assassination to rule for more than 20 years. Her life is filled with the enigmatic and the unexplained… as is her untimely death. For two millennia, only one cause has been recorded – suicide by snakebite. Now, cold case criminal profiler Pat Brown and a team of experts that includes an underwater archaeologist and a toxicologist, are re-examining the circumstances of her alleged suicide. Using techniques of 21st century criminal investigations, they reconstruct the 2,000-year-old death scene (which is now submerged beneath Alexandria harbor) and reveal the sinister power games that led to her death.

Re: Congrats
Thanks Aldux! I never knew I was your model. ;-) This is indeed a great day for me as well...what do you think I should do first: semi-protect a page that Mywayyy's editing? &mdash; Khoikhoi 23:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe, and then of course there's Bonaparte (he's the one with the "vote for this JEW" messages). &mdash; Khoikhoi 23:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias


Hey Aldux, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, &mdash; Khoikhoi 04:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Advice for 3RR violation
Hi. I'm Ronline, another administrator at en.wiki. I've picked your name at random from the administrators list and I would like to ask for your input regarding a 3RR violation case. I've been asked by User:MariusM to block User:William Mauco over a 3RR violation. I personally believe that no such violation took place. The case was reported at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:William_Mauco_reported_by_User:MariusM_.28Result:.29. As another admin, what do you think? Ronline ✉ 09:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Conflict
In makedonia or what's the name over there, if you check, the peace agreement was not reached before november, even though they signed in august, not june, are u an admiistrator? how long? i have other concerns...
 * I'm an admin since July, to awnser your question. The point is you need to comply with the policy WP:V, that is, provide sources for the conclusions of the conflict, and more important, for those casualty numbers you gave. Consider also taking a username, to make it easier for you to edit and discuss. Bye,--Aldux 19:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser request
You recently compiled and listed a case at request for checkuser. For an outcome to be achieved, we require you list the code letter which matches with the violations of policy, which is listed at the top of the request for checkuser page. This has been implemented to reduce difficulties for checkusers, and is essential for your case to be processed. A link to your recently-created case which has this information missing is here. Thanks for your co-operation. Daniel.Bryant 11:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC), checkuser clerk.
 * And "a link to the closed [ArbCom] case" "[a link to] the discussion that resulted in the ban or block" would be great also. Apologies for the error - got my codes mixed up :). Daniel.Bryant 11:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Not too important but...
Re this, I don't feel so strongly about it either. It's just that this was the previous version (before the anon edit), and it seems logical to me, regardless the circumstances. I hate those 'grey areas' where something is in the verge of being worthy or unworthy to be mentioned. The same happens in all articles we edit, even with much less controversy than a ...mere (!?) occupation. Sad thing. •N i k o S il v e r• 22:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Check your e-mail please. •N i k o S il v e r• 00:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, resent. :-) •N i k o S il v e r•  11:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Again per your instructions (response to yours). •N i k o S il v e r•  13:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It is important that I send you this. Kindly check if you can fix, or open a gmail account and change your preferences. Thanks. •N i k o S il v e r•  08:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-18 Alexander the Great
You are receiving this notice because you have recently commented on Talk:Alexander the Great. You may be interested in the mediation case located here. It is my hope that mediation will help solve the debate, but you are welcome to participate or not participate as you choose. Cheers. --Keitei (talk) 19:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Κύπρια
Hi Aldux. Thanks for the note. I wasn't intending to comment but have now done so just to be clear about things. Cheers, Petrouchka 02:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Renewal_efforts_of_the_Ohrid_Archbishopric
Hello, Is there any way to protect redirecting articles, since that is equivalent to deleting? I am taking about this without many explanations except the article is quite disgusting. Here is something that almost brought Macedonia under the Roman pope (for which there are documents). Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cigor (talk • contribs)


 * You mean protect your own version?   /FunkyFly.talk_  14:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see your version there. And BTW you were OK with "mine" version for quite some time, until you suddenly decide you don't like it anymore.--Cigor 14:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)--Cigor 14:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course only The Wrong Version should ever be protected. I will happily declare mine to be the wrong one, if that helps. - By the way, Cigor, it's not like deletion: You can still access the edit history, get out anything you like and integrate it with the other article, that's called merging. Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, Fut.Perf. I've merged the article like you advised. Do you think this is better? Cheers. --Cigor 15:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Removed section, see Francis' talk.   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I have not seen any effort from you or anybody else to make the version "right". Frankly, if you can't see the article it's pretty much as good as deleted.--Cigor 14:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Not really, the MOC article claims continuity.   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Carapelli
Hi aldux, I was wondering why the article Carapelli links to an american food company. As for the discussions in 'Italian people', you should propose to remove all references about X people being similar to Y in order to avoid POVs. That's how it was decided in 'Greeks' and the article has been peaceful ever since. I'm suggesting it for Italians too but nobody listens, they keep fixed to their POVs. Miskin 23:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It would seem that in the USA Carapelli is a subsidiary of this Hormel food company; a company I have honestly never have heard of, while the name Carapelli is quite known in Italy, and they do a lot of publicity. As for Italian people, it's a lot of time I've not given a look at the article; I'll do tomorrow, as now I really have to go to sleep. Ciao,--Aldux 23:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok this is why I thought that Carapelli might be worthy of an article of its own. There's no new content in 'Italian people', just some edit-warring on minor edits concerning the "related ethnic groups" field on the infobox. I haven't been following closely nor participating either, except backing up some of my old edits in Talk. I suggest that in order to stop POV-pushing and disputees, this field should be completely removed. Miskin 11:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, I've started an article in Hellenistic religion in case you're interested. Miskin 12:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Jogaila
Ah, I see. But what do you suggest I do? Put forth some sort of compromise? I'm going to be really busy this weekend, so I can't help then... Khoikhoi 05:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Anons
Hi, do you think you could s-protect Al-Farabi. It's being trolled by a persistent anon who has already violated the 3RR (and been blocked for it ), but keeps returning with new IPs.--Tekleni 11:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

New articles
I just created a New Articles in the History of Greece section after the discussion we had. Please, check my comment in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece, make your own comments and feel free to edit the new section. I hope this effort you initiated will attrack the attention it deserves.--Yannismarou 18:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Apro/Mallaccaos
Aldux, sorry to bug you, but I saw your comment on WP:ANI and wanted to follow up. To me this looks like a very obvious case: both users come from the same IPs, make similar contributions, have similar signatures and writing styles, and one is pretty clearly a single-purpose account. Could you let me know where you disagree? Again, sorry to bug you, but if I've made a mistake here I'd like to know. --Akhilleus (talk) 18:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Alea iacta sunt
Aldux, grazie mille for the flattering co-nom. As you may have seen, I've gone ahead and crossed the Rubicon. . Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Unblock
Please see my message; here, and here. Regards Mustafa Akalp TC 09:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thebes, and more
Hello Aldux, you moved the article Thebes (Greece) to 'Thebes, Greece', as if it were a city of US state. What was the problem with how it was before? Secondly, the Egyptian Thebes is an ancient city of a lost people, neither the city itself nor its people exist today - it's undue weight to equate it with the existing, Greek city. I'm not sure whether the Greek Thebes should be disambiguated in the first place, it should keep the name Thebes and then use a Thebes (Egypt) or Thebes (disambiguation). Finally why did you remove the Turkish and Greek names from Bitola? Those names were in official use for over 1000 years, and Greeks and Turks were a majority population in that city. But besides all that, just take a look at the countless Greek articles which mention Turkish and Venetian names in their heads, and NOT in a separate section (Crete, Corfu, Zakynthos, Thessaloniki, Chios, Lesbos and the list goes on and on and on and on and on.....!). I don't see how Bitola is an exception to the rule, is it because Macedonian Slavs are bitching more than the other editors? Because for me that's not enough of an excuse. 15:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a note to both of you: I agree with Aldux and Khoikhoi about the Bitola case. About Thebes, please take note that we currently have double redirects and countless wrong links (Special:Whatlinkshere/Thebes shows lots of Egypt-related pages). So whatever we do with those articles, there'll be a need of cleanup. I'm for Thebes=dab, Thebes (Egypt) and Thebes (Greece). Brackets for disambiguation are good for using the pipe trick, if nothing else. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * So why do you agree on the Bitola case, care to explain it to me? Each time I tried to remove Ottoman and Venetian names from an article's head and put it them in the body, I was reverted by Khoikhoi. What is it that makes Bitola an exception? Miskin 16:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not a question of symbolically promoting or demoting the significance of a name, it's a matter of text organisation. The Bitola article has a well-written, well structured, pretty large section devoted to the various names. If there's that much material, a section in the body text is the best solution. If you can write a section of that size and quality about the history of the various names of Chios or whatever, be my guest. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the pipe trick works with commas as well: gives Thebes. But I agree that brackets are preferred. I agree with the dab suggestion. Duja► 16:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * For ancient towns I've noted that the model I reverted to is the most used; and de facto Thebes case can't be compared with that of Athens, as modern Thebes is just a small town of 20,000 inhabitants, and people were search for info on old Thebes, not modern Thebes. Anyways make a WP:RM; I won't shoot myself anyway it ends. As for the second point, Bitola, I also removed the Slavic name. We had agreed (at least I think) in a vast discussion, that when Names section were created, there was no need to duplicate info in the lead.--Aldux 16:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that you had simply not agreed, the way I see it everyone has his view and follows his own policies. As a proof of this, someone just reverted my edits and restored the Slavic and Aromanian names in the head of Thessaloniki. Miskin 17:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thebes might be a small town but it has a continuous history, and it has been important as a Byzantine city and as the capital of the Latin principalities, so it's not true that after antiquity it's been as good as dead (as you imply). If for no good reason, someone might be interested to visit the ruins of the ancient city. Miskin 17:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Btw in Thessaloniki the alt. names were also mentioned in the article, yet no-one claimed "duplication of information" so I'm not falling for that excuse. I tried to explain this to User:Khoikhoi but I got sarcasms in reply. I'm expecting more seriousness from your part Aldux, if you remove the alt. names from Bitola again, then I'll justly remove them from Thessaloniki and Crete and then new problems will arise. I really couldn't care less whether the Greek and Turkish name appear in the head of Bitola, I just can't stand the double-standard logic go unnoticed. If you decide to remove alternative names, then go ahead and do it from all articles, if you want to keep them then do it as well, from all articles, I just don't see the reason for making exceptions. Miskin 19:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed policy on death threats
Hey, Aldux. I can't remember whether you were a recipient of Cretanpride's lovely little email back in September or not, but either way I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new proposed policy under discussion at Death threats. I've put in my two quadrantes, but I thought you'd like to know as well. Best, —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Somebody hasn't had enough yet...
If in doubt: block first, ask for translation later. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Ciao Aldux
If that second block was for me, and if I have a say in it, then kindly remove it. If it wasn't for me, or if my wish doesn't make any difference, then do what you must. Just thought I should tell you my wish on this. Thanks. •N i k o S il v e r• 21:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Translating Hellenistic Art
Hello, Aldux. I though you might like to know that I'm starting to work on the Hellenistic Art article you asked to have translated from French. --Coppertwig 17:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Translation complete! EdJohnston and others also helped. Can you advise re how to move it to the English Wikipedia page: do we worry about retaining the page history? thanks. (I also asked EdJohnston the same question.) --Coppertwig 22:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply! Actually, I do have a few questions. I've been wikifying for about a week or so and really getting into it.

One question is: I've been keeping a list in my sandbox, for my own convenience, of users I might want to contact. Do you think this is OK or would it violate some policy, i.e. would the users mind do you think?

Another question: I'm wondering whether anybody is looking after the translation page. For example, is the tranlation of the month changed each month. Translation into English/French and also the page Translation into English. I'm thinking of adding some instructions for other new translators and perhaps suggesting that the page French Collaboration Project be merged with the Translation into English/French page. Oho -- I just found the page French Collaboration Project/History which seems to imply that no, nobody is looking after updating the translation of the month. I would suggest deleting the stuff about translation of the month, if it's not really being looked after. Just an ordinary list of things to be translated, on ONE page, should be good enough. What do you think?

By the way, about the page history: it seems more important to retain the page history which is attached to the sandbox (i.e. history of translating the page) than the page history of the current English page. However, I suppose if I mention on the talk page that I cut-and-pasted from the sandbox then people can follow the links back if they really want to. --Coppertwig 00:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Pretty well finished Derveni krater. See notes on its talk page. I won't always be that fast!! --Coppertwig 21:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I see you made the title of "Hellenistic art" conform to capitalization and put a redirect from the orphan tranlation sandbox.

Question: I put instructions for proofreaders on Translation into English/French (just before the Recently Translated section). I suggested going onto the French wikipedia and putting an interlanguage link to the translated article. Is that necessary or does a bot do that based on the link from the English article to the French one? --Coppertwig 12:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I had put links to "Hellenistic Art" on several other pages; I just went and changed them to lowercase a in art. I think I got them all. --Coppertwig 10:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Opinion please
As a result of a lengthy debate/poll we had in Template talk:Countries of Europe, I've formulated a proposal and need to know what other people think about it. Its scope extends obviously beyond Europe, so I made a subpage before I post it in WP:VPP. See User:NikoSilver/Disputed regions - Summary style (and click talk for your comments). Thanks. •N i k o S il v e r• 23:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Stuff
Hi, when you get some time, could you please list your concerns about this article Occupation of Bessarabia by the Soviet Union in its talk page. Thank you.:Dc76 06:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Posso...
...chiedere un favore? Puoi guardare mia (:-)) nuova voce Ferretti Group? Per favore dimi se ho dimenticato qualcosa interessante. Sara piu facile per te di trovare altri fonti perche questa ditta e Italiana. Grazie! •N i k o S il v e r•  14:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Grazie! Dovevo sapere. :-( Faro le addizioni domani! •N i k o S il v e r•  23:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleting material from Translation page
I'm thinking of deleting some stuff from Translation into English/French: shortening the mention of each completed article down from a whole template with Status etc. to just a single line with a link to the article, and deleting some older completed articles. Should I be bold? Or should that information be archived somehow? Thanks --Coppertwig 21:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Question
Ciao Aldux! Do you think it would be inappropriate for me to semi-protect Circassians, Cherkes, and Cherkess? This disruptive anon in Damascus—aka —keeps blanking these articles. But the stuff going on at Circassians...is that possibly a content dispute instead? Thanks, Khoikhoi 18:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, could you also semi-protect Yaşar Kemal as well? :-) Khoikhoi 23:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Your opinion is sought
Hi. Please have a look at the Central African War. As I mentioned on its talk page, I attempted to rewrite it, but it remains problematic in several respects, one of which being the "War" in the title. Any attention you could devote the matter would be greatly appreciated. Regards, El_C 04:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 12:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Aldux,
I was reading Greek frappe, and came to the quote where it talks about "espresso freddo", "capuccino freddo" (aka freddoccino). I've repeatedly tried to drink (whatever) cold coffee in Italy, and I always end up ...explaining the recipe to the startled waiter (not to mention that the end result always sucks). On the other hand, I've been drinking these in Greece since maybe 10 years now. Is it that frequent in Italy? I'd go bold, but I thought I should ask you first... NikoSilver 23:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've always wanted to know something more about that:). i know well that drinking coffee is by no means a greek invention, but, is frappe only a "greek thing"? or maybe is it included in the various kinds of coffee served in Italy (primarily, since we have many italian kinds of coffee) or elsewhere? Hectorian 04:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Frappe is documented to be Greek. I was asking about capuccino/espresso freddo. Last time in Firenze I was served footwash! So the question is simple: Do you have it? Have you seen it before? NikoSilver 15:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry Niko, I hadn't immediately noticed your post. The awnser to your question is very simple: absolutely no, simply the idea of drinking cold coffee seems weird to me, I've never drunk personally a cold coffee in all my life, neither has anybody in my family; except, obviously, the originally boiling espresso is served cold because of the bar's sloppiness, and then it's really disgusting.--Aldux 16:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I knew that was the case, but didn't want to push this so far initially. Freddo in Greece is second most popular coffee after frappe (well, according to my WP:OR that is). I'll make a picture, and if you find it attractive, I'll tell you the (easy) recipe. NikoSilver 16:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * As promised, check photo and tell me if it is tempting! :-) NikoSilver 23:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The photo makes it tempting, I admit, but in all honesty, the thought of drinking cold coffee is something that my stomach can't resist. Also, I'm first of all a tea-drinker (which makes me a real outcast in a coffee-mad country like Italy ;-)). Ciao,--Aldux 00:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ciao!
Would you mind checking out new thread here? Grazie mille, Khoikhoi 08:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello!
Please, can you take a look at Macedonians (ethnic group)? Some users have literally "castrated" the article with no discussions, and erased categories:Ethnic groups in Albania, Bulgaria, Greece. Bomac 18:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd be one of them, and I was blackmailing for sources, coz the infobox shows more Macedonian Slavs in e.g. Italy than those countries, but no category! I'll be adding the respective categories if you don't mind, and that's for consistency in this article. NikoSilver 23:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Niko, don't forget in such cases we usually make a difference between recent immigrant communities and autochthonous populations. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, we are all immigrants; who is to define one's status as "recent" and "autochthonous". Anyway - check the categories at Greeks.--Euthymios 23:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ummm, I had no idea about the autochthonous/immigrants thing. In that case, would it be irrational to say that in order to qualify as an immigrant of some ethnicity, that ethnicity has to exist prior to your migration? Hah! Anyway, I wish Greece performs an ethnicity census next time, so that we get done with this. I wonder if Helsinki et al state the method of arriving at those estimates. OTOH, those 2,955 votes are a pretty rational method, dont you think? NikoSilver 00:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Helsinki monitor never states methods of estimations... btw, have u seen that they even list Pomaks as "Macedonians"? i am not keen on conspiracy theories, but sometimes they do exist! LOL Hectorian 04:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hectorian, are you sure you don't mean euromosaic? I've read the all the Helsinki Monitor reports online on the Pomaks and it was never stated that they were Macedonians. As for the votes of a party, I disagree they are a good criterion to understand the strength of a minority; there was once a Pomak political party in Bulgaria, and it made even worse than the Rainbow party; but nobody serious thought that this meant that the Pomaks didn't exist, or identified all as ethnic Bulgarians.--Aldux 16:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I know about euromosaic, but i have the impression that Helsinki monitor also links the Pomaks with the "Macedonians"... well, if not the Pomaks (muslims) in western Thrace, surely the Slavic-speaking population (christians) in Eastern Greek Macedonia (Drama and Serres prefectures). seems they are identifing ethnic groups according to the old ottoman tradition, id est according to religion. IMO, the votes of minority and ethnic parties are quite a good criterion for the numerical strength of a specific minority: u can compare the parties of the Basques and the Catalans in Spain, and of the Scots in the UK-maybe not all of them vote for the specific parties, but at least there is not a gap 1 to 300 (as some nationalists in FYROM say: 3,000 votes but 1 million Slavomacedonians...!). and, not only looking at the number of votes, but also in the ethnic or religious affiliation of the MP... e.g., in Greece there are 2 muslim MP from Thrace (something that roughly corresponds to the strength of the muslim minority there. but, "surprisingly", no MP from any other imagined minority... as for the Pomaks, i do not know if they all self-identify as ethnic Bulgarians, but for sure they are neither Turks nor "Macedonians". Regards Hectorian 16:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories
I have created the category 'ethnic groups in FYROM', where i included the ethnic groups found only there, and not in the rest of the region of Macedonia. u know well the definitions for both... U are free to rename it into 'category:...Republic of Macedonia' (since Wikipedia has come to a state to have a country under this name...), but not simply as 'Macedonia'. there are categories about ethnic groups in various countries, thus, only under this name (the name of the respective article) such a category can exist. Regards and ciao Hectorian 04:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Cretan War
Thanks for your congrats. I also appreciate your support in the FA candidancy. Kyriakos 20:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Civil war
Most of the people will tell you that is civil war, i mean they will never call it civil war in iraq because that war (its all lousy politics)is lost for usa and 'coalition' and worse worse than vietnam, however, let's ask other historians if they think that was civil war, then we can find best solution.

Request
There's been some disruption by anons at Mustafa Kemal Atatürk lately...could you please semi-protect the page? Thanks, Khoikhoi 05:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)