User talk:Aldux/Archive 9

Maleabroad
This user continues to edit from IP addresses, call users anti-Hindu and make otherwise incivil edit comments, reverting to "his" versions of articles, and refusing to discuss on talk pages.

The most recent IPs are:

Is it possible to block a class C network such that users on the network are required to log in? A Ramachandran 01:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Another requested move
Hi again Aldux, I have another move request. Can you move Hong Kong, China at the 2004 Summer Olympics to simply Hong Kong at the 2004 Summer Olympics? It's a similar situation to the FYR Macedonia page you fixed for us a few days ago. Thanks, Andrwsc 04:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Andrwsc 16:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Devanampriya
Hi Aldux. Thank you very much for your message and your intervention. You are totally right, although no incivility was intended. I guess I reacted quite straightforwardly to some obvious patterns of deception. Best regards. PHG 18:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

PHG
Hello Aldux,

I appreciate your efforts in this matter as we can now focus back on furthering the accuracy of articles. However, I do petition for even-handedness here, and am concerned as to why I was the recipient of a final warning, when I have not made unprovoked ad hominem attacks at any time in the past.

You will find that I do not react uncivilly unless provoked in any exchange and that I begin all initial posts as pleasantly as possible, which is undeniably displayed by my record. If any user degrades the exchange with attacks, as was done here, then only do I change the tone of my dialogue.

Regarding the sockpuppet allegation, while I do appreciate your tip, I should note that I'm concerned enough to discuss that map and the mauryan empire article to discuss it with friends, who often assist. While I know there are those who prefer to accuse rather than discuss and prevaricate rather than cooperate, I am not one of them. If you do not believe me, which is understandable given that it cannot be proven either way, that is your prerogative. But I have far more integrity than to set up multiple accounts and to travel all over to make the same changes from different or the same IP addresses. I can assure you that sockpuppetry is neither my style nor aim and neither is violating past agreements.

I trust that you will take these points into consideration. Thanks.

Regards,

Devanampriya

Timok Vlachs

 * Hi. I explained the reasons for the move of the Vlachs of Serbia article to that of Timok Vlachs. The article currently, deals with the vlachs of the Timok valley in both Bulgaria and Serbia.Dapiks 21:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ciao Dapiks. I'm not objecting to the idea behing the move (that I personally find quite reasonable) but to the modalities; by using copy-and-paste you completely destroy the history of the article, and I can't consent to this. As I said in the edit summary, use WP:RM; this way, if the request passes, an admin will proceed to make the move correctly. I hope you haven't moved other articles in this way before; if you have please tell me which, so that I can restore the articles' histories.--Aldux 21:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I put in a request like you suggested. I do not think that there are other articles that I have moved this way before. Cheers. Dapiks 21:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The title 'Timok Vlachs' is inappropriate. Contrary to what user Constantzeanu / Dapiks wrote above, the article does not deal with the Vlachs of Bulgaria. It only mentions them briefly. The title 'Vlachs of Serbia' or even better 'Vlachs of North-Eastern Serbia' is correct, because that is where they live. It is true that in Romania 'Timok Vlachs' or even more frequently 'Timok Romanians' is the preferred term for these people. But the Vlachs themselves disapprove of this term, regarding it as geographically too narrow. C0gnate 02:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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User:Maleabroad
The user that's been disrupting Hindu-related articles, Maleabroad seems to have registered a different account:. I posted it to AN/I. He also seems to have left you a message in a similar vein, two posts up. Thanks, Orpheus 23:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Cestrus River

 * Can you move it back to Aksu River? Over time more info has been added about the modern river as you had asked here . I cannot do the move for some reason therefore I wanted to see if you could do it. Cheers! Baristarim 19:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't move the river. There is another river is Kazachstan with the same name, so that is why there is now a disambiguation page at Aksu River. --Bejnar 19:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. Well Barristarim, Bejnar has a point, but you can always move it to Aksu River (Turkey) or Aksu River, Turkey.--Aldux 20:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Chadian-Libyan conflict
Hi, I just came across Chadian-Libyan conflict and it is excellent. If you get a chance, please take a look at Sayyid Muhammad bin Sayyid Hasan ar-Rida al-Mahdi as-Sanussi - the current King of Libya. The article has one reference and is very short. KazakhPol 05:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposing to merge List of basic classics topics to Classics
Seeking concensus on proposed merger at Talk:Classics. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 01:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The return of Afrika paprika
Those are the recent edit wars conducuted by the last supposed sockpuppet of Afrika paprika. I'd like to know if it possible a semiprotecion of the related articles, an a banning of the news IP adresses. Best regards.--Giovanni Giove 15:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Again Afrika paprika
I'm sorry, but your action was useless. Afrika paprika has again reverted several articles, as you can see here: . Greetings. --Giovanni Giove 16:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey (again)
Can you please semi-protect Şebinkarahisar? Thanks, Khoikhoi 15:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. Khoikhoi 02:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't that a surprise
And Italian moderator supporting Italian nationalist revising articles of Croatian historical figures. Who is next on your list for revision? Palmostić? Gundulić? Vrančić? How about Jelačić even or maybe Tudjman? -AF
 * For once, I'll awnser to a banned user, instead of rollbacking his edit as I should. Actually, if you wrote that Tudjman it would make no difference, because I will revert, as you are a banned user, and you have lost at present your right to edit wikipedia. It makes no difference what you write, or if you occupy yourself of French literature or obscure Italian/Croatian/God-Knows-What guys lived in Dalmatia in some time and in some place. I'm not here to mediate between Italian nationalists and you, but simply to make sure banned or blocked editors (yes, I mean YOU) don't try to break the rules by continuing to edit. I don't really care much if you believe me or not, but my wikiinterest for Dalmatia reaches very close to zero. And that's all I had too say.--Aldux 21:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't that convenient? You don't say? How about doing your job at preventing trolls and racists like Giovanni Giove revising anything that doesn't suit them? If you actually cared about the rules and preventing Wikipedia a clean place you would actually preserve the original aricles (because that what I am reverting to for the whole time) and stop Giove and others for bringing bad name to you and all Italians. I lost my right? Yeah me being stuborn over reverting what trolls ruin is an old habbit of mine where even 3rr blocks can't prevent me, thats why I "lost my right"....what a joke. --AF

Ahmat Acyl
Sorry for the delay in my response. Actually, I think the article is pretty well referenced, etc. It needs a stronger and longer lead section, and it needs a picture. Those are really the only things that held me back from rating it higher. Mocko13 05:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit war's by User:Ceha
User:Ceha, under suggestion of User:Afrika_paprika has started a campaign of edit warring, in Dalmatia realated article. He does not discuss his edits, and he changes previolusly discussed problems in a nationalistic way. The use of historical names is usual in wiki. Greetings--Giovanni Giove 23:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

Apologies
Sorry Aldux Very new in wikepedia. I am still learning! Thanks for the advise. I have asked questions in talk pages and I am waiting for responce! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greek_Struggle_for_Macedonia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Germanos_Karavangelis Thank you (Seleukosa 16:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC))

Kapnisma
Sourced? Are you serious? I have the books in frond of me, where on earth does it sais that Macedonomachoi where criminals? This is insulting!Kapnisma 16:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Kapnisma, give a look at the talk page: its very clear Vbb had access at least to Karavangelis memoirs, which appear to confirm his pov, including full quotes. For this I will revert, because "this is insulting" is not the sort of arguments I care much of.--Aldux 17:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not want to repeat myself but as I told you I have Karavaggelis book in front of me and I am wondering were are those claims? Just because someone linked a source does this means that it is actually written? This is a sort of argument I do care much of. Kapnisma 17:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

In his book he writes that sometimes Greeks collaborated with the Ottomans and that this was something usual not only for them but also for VMRO. Taking only a phrase, the one that sais we collaborated with the Ottomans, is according to you a correct way of providing informations? He also clearly states the participation of Macedonians (Greek) during the fight but I don't see this mentioned by our dear vbb. Again, both Karavaggelis and Delta decribe the struggle as a fight against the Bulgarians who controlled the VMRO Kapnisma 17:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh! and something else in the so called genuine references our dear vbb provides, the ΕΤΑΙΡΕΙΑ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΝ ΣΠΟΥΔΩΟΝ that he wrote is wrong. It is spelled ΕΤΑΙΡΕΙΑ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΩΝ ΣΠΟΥΔΩΝ, the ΑΡΧΕΙΟΝ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΥ ΑΓΟΝΟΣ is wrong too, it is spelled  ΑΡΧΕΙΟΝ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΥ ΑΓΩΝΟΣ Kapnisma 17:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict)I only know that Vbb wrote this: "As I explained before, quoting Karavangelis'es own autobiographic book, his men were mostly newcomers from Greece (especially officers from the greek regular army, volunteers from Crete, various criminals that he picked somewhere and an insignificant number of locals of which one can mention only Vangelis Natsas and Kotas Hristos (so much about the "numerous locals" that joined the struggle, history recorded only a few). Dont blame me, he wrote the book." If you've got the book, and feel he gave a misleading image of Karavengelis collaboration with the Turks, then rewrite it in accordance to the text. Also remember to adress the question of the number of Greek Macedonians in the the force; if its true that it was a minority, but if you find the wording povish, you can work on that to make it more npov. As for "criminials", I suspect Karavengelis was speaking of local outlaws, that were often recruited in guerilla formations. I don't think you can accuse me of partiality towards Vbb: if you give a look at the talk, he passed half the time yelling at me, and left me a very nice salutiation before leaving ;-)--Aldux 17:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am sorry if you felt that I also yelled at you. It was not my intention. I started this article just to provide some info about how Greeks see this struggle and I get very disappointed when editors with your quality, and your ability, easily adopt dubious, unsourced claims. Greetings and have a nice evening! (It's 20:00 in Thessaloniki) Kapnisma 17:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Skopje
Skopje is city in Macedonia (capital city) not in Albania, so there is no reason for this; let’s imagine the situation with Tirana (capital of Albania) or any other city.

Albanian language is not official language in the Skopje city. Albanian language probably will be official language but in the future, according to Ohrid framework agreement. By the Macedonian Constitution law, ethnic minorities in the state or in the municipalities, can use their language if it is spoken by the local ethnic group, and if that local ethnic group represent more then 20% of the local population (which is case with Skopje), then that ethnic group can use their own language in communication between local government officials or state officials. But, the topological names (like towns, rivers, mountains ...) should be used as spelled in Macedonian language, which is official language throughout all the country.

By the way, there is no low for using other languages then Macedonian. But by the Constitution if for some language, different then Macedonian, there is conditions for practical use (more then 20% of local population should speak that language); Macedonian parliament should adopt special law for using that language. So we have situation: Albanian language has minimum requirements to be official but there is no low for practical use. So we must wait a little.

Sorry my friend, but I think that you are not competent to judge this question. Or may be you take a side.

You're kidding me, right?
"from an expert and respected editor, like User:NikoSilver"? Me?

What do I have to do to convince people around here I'm just a nationalist troll? :-)

Thanks, man. It's a comment I'll never forget, and it carries much more weight when it is said by an esteemed and working and educated and neutral and amazing and big-hearted admin like you. (and you know this is not a mere retribution) NikoSilver 23:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Adesso mi metti davvero in imbarazzo... ;-) (E pensare che era tutto parte di un diabolico piano del mio nuovo datore di lavoro, W.E.S.U.C.K.B.A.D., per distruggere la reputazione di un pericoloso membro dell'Epsilon Team!) --Aldux 16:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, adesso capisco... Hai gia cambiato squadra huh? Che succede? Non ti piace vivere pericolosamente di piu? Ah, e auguri loverboy! NikoSilver 22:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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Hahaha
...too much alcohol or are we talking to ourselves lately? Thanks man, I needed that laugh! NikoSilver 22:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I'm afraid I'm approaching the last stage of wikiholism ;-)--Aldux 22:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey guys, I can make those maps... but only if you can get me reassurance that it isn't a copyright violation. I was asking some people before on commons, but was told that even tracing round an existing map would be copyvio (I had intended to do it for districts of Tajikistan). Francis Tyers · 08:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Those maps should be easy enough to recreate. You can get free contour outlines of the national boundaries on the web (if we haven't got them already), and the rest can be done easily in an SVG editor like Inkscape. Tell me if you need help; I've tried my hand at some map-making myself lately. The placement of the colored areas inside the maps doesn't qualify for copyright as such, so there's no legal problem if we re-create those. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for your awnsers Fran and FPS. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no idea of copyright status when it comes to things other than books, which is the reason I've never uploaded a single image myself, so I can't guarantee anything regards copyvio. As for the maps, I don't need them all obviously, as they're 15, and some of these are historically innacurate. Again, thanks for anything you can do. And Fran, what do you think of Toyota War now, with the new lead? If it's ready I'll put it through a GA review.--Aldux 22:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Opa, sorry for the late reply. I haven't been watching your talk page. I reckon Toyota War would make a fine GA right now. I'll take another look at the maps on monday. If you could identify 2-3 that would be particularly helpful that would be good. - Francis Tyers · 16:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Usual edit wars:-((
Again a nationalistic edit war, about Dalmatian topics. That the behaviour of User:Kubura:. It is my opinion, that he is breaking wiki rules. He wants to impose his POV, without proper discussion. He is famous for his edit warrings in English and Italian wikpiedia. Just have a look. Thank you.--Giovanni Giove 17:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Giovanni, I'm sorry I can't help you but I'm quite fed up with all sort of disputes at the moment and also, as an Italian, would find myself uneasy in getting implicated with yet another Italo-Croatian dispute. If I can give you a suggestion, I would propose to you to try again to speak with him, and if you are unsatisfied with his awnser, try contacting another admin, somebody like Asterion, Duja or Khoikhoi.--Aldux 22:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Forks
Do you agree that Cham Albanians, Chameria and Chameria issue are forks of each other? Do you think it would be a good idea to merge them?--Domitius 15:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

My RfA
My request for adminship has closed successfully (79/0/1), so it appears that I am now an administrator. Thanks very much for your vote of confidence. If there's anything I can ever do to help, please don't hesitate to let me know. IrishGuy talk 03:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Beginning MIC (i.e. Massive Intimidation Campaign)
Lol. Thanks Aldux. Since I'm always up for a piece of cake (what type i s it? :)) and I don't want to disobey the "clauses". So I would be honoured. If you want to nominate me, I have no problems sice I admire your work to Wikipedia. Kyriakos 20:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually...
Well, actually there is something in which you could help (never offer help; people may actually take advantage of it! ;-)). I've noted that you've became, like me, a member of WP:LIBYA, so you may be interested in some articles I've been working on that involve Chadian-Libyan relations (Chadian-Libyan conflict, Toyota War, Opération Manta). If you've any time to lose giving a look at one or more of these, would you give me your opinion (brutal criticism is especially appreciated)? Ciao, and congratulations.--Aldux 16:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Aldux. Thanks and yes, you are somehow right :) Well, my main work as a coordinator will be focusing on everything related to Africa military history and obviously the Chadian-Libyan conflict would be part of it. I'll read them carefully and give you a summary. --  FayssalF  - Wiki me up ®  16:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Chadian-Libyan conflict - The lead is very short. I am thinking of adding some background info to it. The section titles (i.e. The insurgency expands, Libyan difficulties) seem a bit more journalistic than encyclopaedic. Excellent notes and references. --  FayssalF  - Wiki me up ®  17:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't written the lead, telling the truth; I probably should also add an "aftermath" section. As for the titles of the sections you're right; I've never been any good at writing them. Thanks for the hints you've gave me! Ciao,--Aldux 18:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Buddha as an Avatar of Vishnu
Hello Aldux, I believe you protected this page once before (Buddha as an Avatar of Vishnu) - as the vandalism is continuing please could you consider doing same again? The user who keeps reverting the article is particularly determined in his efforts. Many thanks, Gouranga(UK) 10:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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Chad-Libya
See my new creation. Freely add or change something. Ciao -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 14:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * see now Op. Manta and it's page history for my explanation. I put new headline to the main article because of military history articles standards. See example Slovenian War -- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 21:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * one other thing. Operations names should be all in english. Examples:


 * Operation Oluja - Operation Storm
 * Operation Noah's Ark (Israeli name original)
 * Operation Defensive Shield (Israeli name original)

etc..-- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 22:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA
Thanks (or grazie, if you prefer) for your support in my recent RfA which passed unanimously - thus proving that you can indeed fool some of the people some of the time. I'm still coming to terms with the new functionality I have, but so far nothing bad has happened. As always, if there's anything you need to let me know, just drop me a line on my Talk page. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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Comments
Comments worded like this tend to cause problems; I respectfully suggest that you avoid them in the future. Kirill Lokshin 02:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ciao Kirill. Why I agree that I could have been less harsh, I remain of my view: FA articles must not be moved without consensus, let alone previous discussion. Bye,--Aldux 15:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Coordinators
P.S: Tell me how you think I should proceed in the RFA. Kyriakos 10:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Mozambican War of Independence
Hey, just dropping a line to thank you for your helpful points on the FA request, and for working on those references on the article, cheers! :) SGGH 09:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Huns
Can you please semi-protect it? Grazie molto, Khoikhoi 04:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi you are a vandalist aldux, please change the Huns page, Khoikhoi is an extreme anti-Turkic user and he corrupted the identity of Hun's Turkic backround in the Huns page.. you are the only guy to change that we need your help, thanks

About your recent GA related edits...
I have a problem with one of your recent WP:GA related edits, specifically this edit, where you listed Egyptian Invasion of Mani, an article that you passed with no talk page rationale (Step 3 of passing articles listed on WP:GAC reads: 3. Leave a comment about your reasons for passing the article (with suggestions to improve the article, if you can) and without actually nominating it. (It's what WP:GAC is for) You also listed Toyota war on the GA page, even though the person who passed it also did not review the article properly, in fact, they didn't even say a single word, and appear to of just stamped it as a GA. I've sent Toyota war back to the GAC page, but in the meantime, could you nominate the article for GA status first and wait for someone else to review it? I already got reverted by another user who did a similar mistake to what you did with two other articles which had their own problems, and I just don't feel like making a big fight when there's probably going to be one anyway over something else soon, since it looks like the immediete delisting rule is about to return. (Talk page of Candidates I think is where the discussion is, you'd be surprised how much people can make a fuss over the delisting of obviously failing articles, I don't think it will be much fun) Homestarmy 02:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Northern Epirus
Since you claim "I don't get it" (see below), please explain "why you think" the chronology should be on a seperate article.

How about I out it to Provisional Government of Northern Epirus?

(rv, you don't get it, do you? Even if you find reliable sources, this stuff should make a separte article on this political entity)

 Φil hellenism  04:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it sure is better, even if the reliability problem remains.--Aldux 11:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Khoikhoi & Afrika paprika
He told me to point you at Afrika paprika's probably new sock-puppet: User:Tar-Elenion (note Requests for checkuser/Case/Afrika paprika, among other things that all point at Tar being yet another reincarnation of User:Afrika paprika/User:Factanista/User:Zrinski. --PaxEquilibrium 12:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Opération Manta
Hi Dan, thanks for your extremely careful peer review. If you have any other time to lose with my article, could you tell me if you find the article's OK now, or do you think there are still issues to solve (apart the images, that is)?--Aldux 18:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, I will run through it again now and see if I can spot any other problems. Really excellent work given that I understand English isn't even your first language. Many thanks - PocklingtonDan (talk) 20:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Two things
Hi Aldux. First of all, I've replied to you on the Bayajidda Peer Review; as you can probably tell, I haven't used Google Books before. The second thing regards Opération Manta, which I recently copyedited. In that article, in the #Renewed fighting section, there is a sentence that reads as follows:

This attack forced the French to counter-attack, although not in the measure desired by Habré, who felt the French ought to retaliate by striking the GUNT at Faya-Largeau, an act that would have been a declaration of war on Libya, risking an escalation of the conflict

Does the last bit, "risking escaltion of the conflict," refer to the French counterattack, or the method that Habré desired the French to have used? Or, to phrase my question differently, which of those two things is the one which risked escalation? Right now, the sentence is ambiguous in that regard, but I can't split it in two because I'm not sure what all of it means. Could you clarify that bit? Picaroon 03:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a milion for your new copyedit; if I gave you a dime for every time you've helped me, I'd be thrown in jail for debts! ;-) I've tried rewriting the passage, by expanding it: is it clearer now?--Aldux 21:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

AnI
Greetings. What happened in AnI is just an embarrassment to wikipedia and to the selfish. Only one side of the story was told, only half of the participants were present, and Yannismarou was bullied while Nev, despite his semi-vandal behaviour, he was victimised. I'm the only person who's been a regular editor to the article and present during Nev's activity since the beginning. I've got all the diffs and I'm willing to shed some light to the case. Is it in your judgement relative to the scope of the board? Miskin 18:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I second this request in light of the developments. NikoSilver 19:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I strongly believe all this should be just completely forgot, as I strongly doubt anything good for Yannis would come frome raising the issue again, on the contrary, it may very well backfire, as nobody wants to return on these sort of things. Yes, Yannis has been treated disgracefully, but you've been around here as long as I am, and you know that these things happen all too often in wikipedia. So please, I ask you this as a favour, don't rise the issue of this AN/I and NN's block again, as well as Nayan's general behaviour in Talk:Sparta (obviously a RfC on the article would be different, but I'd advise even in this case to wait some time). Ciao,--Aldux 19:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Please, avoid personal attacks!
Please, respect other people and do not label them this way! (cur) (last) 18:39, 10 March 2007 Aldux (Talk | contribs) (this guy's becoming truly boring) --Giorgio Orsini 18:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This is the second time that you are removing a public warning from your talk page. As an administrator - you shall know that it is an act of vandalism--Giorgio Orsini 00:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say his calling your revert warring "boring" is a minor injustice compared to the fact that you're harassing him by reposting things he's already removed from his talk page and generally getting on his nerves. With regards to your claim of "vandalism," Aldux didn't commit any vandalism - you, however, are over the line when it comes to disruption. Don't post here again unless he asks you to, and I'm sure he'll be happy to extend you the same courtesy. Bye now. Picaroon 01:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sock puppets
Thanks for blocking yet another sock puppet of Maleabroad. In case you're feeling bored, here's a partial list of the ones I've noticed lately:



All accounts were created since Maleabroad was indef-blocked (most on 1st March), all are editing on the same topics with similar edit summaries, and the last two (along with WikiUser84 who you just blocked) blanked their user pages within a few minutes of each other. It looked like "log in, blank, log out, repeat with next puppet".

Thanks Orpheus 15:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * And here are some more active/non-blocked socks of User:Maleabroad
 * Randomatom001, especially is active on numerous pages and has uploaded various images which are copyright violations (with the incorrect declaration that they are either posters of events or PD false Fair Use justification). Several editors have been busy cleaning up after him. Some of the discussion about him is at User_talk:Abecedare. Can you take a look ? Abecedare 22:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Randomatom001, especially is active on numerous pages and has uploaded various images which are copyright violations (with the incorrect declaration that they are either posters of events or PD false Fair Use justification). Several editors have been busy cleaning up after him. Some of the discussion about him is at User_talk:Abecedare. Can you take a look ? Abecedare 22:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Randomatom001, especially is active on numerous pages and has uploaded various images which are copyright violations (with the incorrect declaration that they are either posters of events or PD false Fair Use justification). Several editors have been busy cleaning up after him. Some of the discussion about him is at User_talk:Abecedare. Can you take a look ? Abecedare 22:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Randomatom001, especially is active on numerous pages and has uploaded various images which are copyright violations (with the incorrect declaration that they are either posters of events or PD false Fair Use justification). Several editors have been busy cleaning up after him. Some of the discussion about him is at User_talk:Abecedare. Can you take a look ? Abecedare 22:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Randomatom001, especially is active on numerous pages and has uploaded various images which are copyright violations (with the incorrect declaration that they are either posters of events or PD false Fair Use justification). Several editors have been busy cleaning up after him. Some of the discussion about him is at User_talk:Abecedare. Can you take a look ? Abecedare 22:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I realized that you were busy with "real life". Initially even I wasn't sure if Randomatom001 was a sock of Maleabroad, but his more recent edit summmaries and POV pushing on "Buddha being an avatar of ..." convinced me eventually. However, as you say, it is best for a checkuser to confirm the suspicion. A range block, if feasible, is direly needed - currently a new sock User:Algorithm1 is on a rampage recreating deleted articles, blanking other socks' pages etc, and even with 3-4 editors cleaning up after him, it gets tiresome after a while. If you have the time can you please delete these copyvio and wrongly tagged images: Image:Holyland.jpg, Image:Punyabhumi.jpg and these. Thanks. Abecedare 18:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Checkuser confirmed the socks (all except User:Omkar y; mea culpa since I don't recall why I added him to the list - his contribs. look unrelated). Maleabroad apparently edits from U. Calgary, Canada ("pc127.geog.lab.acs.ucalgary.ca" in one case), so IP range block is perhaps infeasible. Is there any other solution besides dealing with each sock individually ? Anyway, could you please block the known socks and delete the uploaded images (I think WP:CSD would now apply) ? I hope its OK to lay all this work at your doorstep - I would be happy to place these requests at the admin noticeboards otherwise. Thanks. Abecedare 22:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I have created a new subpage to track the known and suspected socks of User:Maleabroad, so that all interested editors can consolidate information in one place instead of spamming each-others user pages (including yours) on a regular basis. The page is located at User_talk:Abecedare/Maleabroad. Can you please let me know if in your opinion this endeavor violates any wikipedia policies, guidelines or even spirit. If it does, I'll be happy to junk it. Thanks. PS: The latest active sock is User:Algorithm0. Abecedare 00:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Tenedos/Bozcaada/Tenedos
The original English title was Tenedos, not Tenedhos. The latter is a transcription of the Greek name. I hope you don't mind my going the long (i.e. non administrative) way of changing it .--Domitius 16:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for correcting me, I hadn't noted my error.--Aldux 16:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Oguz1
Could you please have a word with. He has been wikistalking me like crazy reverting things he obviously doesn't understand, for example here a link is reverted as POV (reasons unassigned), and here he restores a link I removed, but someone else later restored, so in effect what Oguz did was make the article have the same link twice! Here he reverts my formatting of the infobox (an anon had incorrectly added some information which had been incorrectly formatted and wouldn't appear on the viewed page - I formatted it and Oguz reverted it to the damaged version, again reasons unassigned).--Domitius 17:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * While you are at it, look at his contribs on Turkish Coffee, Doner, Şebinkarahisar, and others. He has deleted sourced info on some instances and replace it with biased and POV content on others (commercial websites, etc). Also, I would like to point out that most of the versions that he reverts to were orginally made by anon (the above mentioned pages). If you look at my reverts or edits, I have never made any contribution that is infammatory or POV. I have simply removed them for not having a credible source (such as on Şebinkarahisar) and commented as such. It may look like I am following him from this post, but I do have a right to express my side of the story. --Oguz1 17:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly Oguz, I know aabsolutely nothing of your dispute with Domitius, but to say that some of your edits smell of a revenge for previous edits by Domitius is an understatement, especially when one makes an edit summary like this ; and this one is utterly inexplicable, and does make wonder if this isn't a clear case of WP:STALK. For this I really feel you should cut it immediately, because the rules are prettly clear that this sort of behaviour is not acceptable.--Aldux 17:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Aldux, please put a stop to this. Khoikhoi 19:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Not sure what's wrong with asking for a source when they're making allegations of murder. --Oguz1 20:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * *Sigh* this is weird from him too, Artaxiad 02:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Cretanforever
You might want to suggest to User:Cretanforever that this edit summary is completely inappropriate:
 * Dear Dora! Please distance Tenedos hookers to Gökçeada where they can have fun for some more time. Bugün 18 Mart, sikerim bir taraflarını.

I have mentioned it on his talk page myself. --Macrakis 22:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Devanampriya
I am afraid something should be done about this user User:Devanampriya. Personal attacks, deletion of referenced material claiming original research (Talk:Yamuna, ). He is only disrupting Wikipedia and other users without contributing any material. PHG 07:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Aldux,

Please feel free to take a look at my edits, for I fear that they are being misrepresented again. I know you favor PHG in, well, all debates, but I am speaking to you as a contributor to an admin.

As for the Yamuna article, my speech was moderated in spite of the defamation campaign to various other admins that PHG and Giani G engaged in, and the inordinate number of protection requests. You will note that I have repeatedly requested dialogue and understanding. But if PHG supplements his "referenced material" with original research and weasel words "i.e rampaging Satavahanas", "Powerful Foreign armies", and "the earliest Indian astrological work", what am I supposed to do? I am compelled to clean them up because I care about the accuracy of wikipedia. If all these articles are crafted with one-sided narratives, what am I supposed to do?

In spite of his less than civil post on my page, I have again beseeched PHG to engage in dialogue and to recognize the nature (whether intentional or not) of some of his contributions. It is great that he has the time to develop many of these articles. My concern is when the narrative is reoriented towards things that interest him on pages where they are irrelevant, i.e. the Yamuna.

If you believe there may be a better way to approach PHG to correct some of this, I am more than willing to implement your advice.

Best Regards,

Devanampriya 18:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfounded accusations by Devanampriya again, who apparently looks for excuses to erase "Greeks in India"-related information at all cost. I am not the author of the expressions "rampaging Satavahanas" or "Powerful Foreign armies". And the "the earliest Indian astrological work" for the Yavanajataka is derived from a reference from Mc Evilley "The shape of ancient thought", p385 ("The Yavanajataka is the earliest surviving Sanskrit text in horoscopy, and constitute the basis of all later Indian developments in horoscopy", himself quoting David Pingree "The Yavanajataka of Sphujidhvaja" p5)... although we can also take Mc Evilley's phrase as it is. As a reminder, the Gargi-Samhita also says: "The Yavanas are barbarians, yet the science of astronomy originated with them and for this they must be reverenced like gods". As an other example, Devanampriya systematically deletes mention of the corrupted Greek legends of the Gupta coins (referenced from Rapson "Indian coins in the British Museum"). Deleting referenced material to support partisan views is nothing other than vandalism. PHG 20:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello PHG. I'm searching for a mediator, that may hopefully deffuse this unhappy polarization. Having been involved already in the dispute, I would prefer not to be the mediator myself, as I could hardly be considered an objective mediator in this conflict.--Aldux 20:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'm not sure if I can invest an awful lot of time into this, but I might give it a try. If PHG and Devanampriya are willing to accept me as an informal mediator, we could try something. I should state from the outset that I know very little or nothing about India though, and my own perspective would naturally tend to be somewhat on the Graecocentric side. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. These are rather simple cases of repeated deletion of referenced material pertaining to the presence or influence of the ancient Greeks in India, deletions which have been going on for months now:
 * Yamuna page: repeated deletion of the mention of Greek knowledge of the river following the campaigns of Seleucus I, with deletion of the quote by Pliny the Elder.
 * Repeated deletion of the mention of coin legends with corrupted Greek script on the coins of the Gupta kings Chandragupta II and Kumara Gupta I, with references from Rapson "Indian coins of the British Museum".
 * Repeated deletion of the mention of Greek and Aramaic languages in the northwestern territories of the Mauryas in the Template:Maurya Empire infobox.
 * Satavahana page: repeated deletion of a quote of the Puranas that mentions Yavana rule after the Satavahanas, with reference from Rapson "Indian coins of the British Museum".
 * I think these are the main issues. Regards. PHG 06:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)