User talk:Alecburnett12

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Speedy deletion nomination of ABNT Investment Group
A tag has been placed on ABNT Investment Group, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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ABNT Investment talk discussion
{{hangon]] This is a legitimate company and business. This does not advertise products nor a business this is simply describing a credible business.
 * I should perhaps have used {{db-multiple}} . The excessive linking to the company's website and the username of the creator led me toward spam, but this also has a WP:CORP notability issue, and does not assert its notability.  I also suspect a conflict of interest.  --Falcon Darkstar Momot (talk) 05:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * should be deleted per WP:CORP Taroaldo (talk) 05:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Went back and removed all links to external website other than in the external website tab. Notability should be verified via the website and google itself. This is not a spam account nor a spam page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see this guideline on establishing notability. The company's own website does not count. Taroaldo (talk) 05:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Added reliable external links for notability, including the verification of the company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 05:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Third party sources like what? Our company information for the state should be enough of a reliable source. What is considered a third party source if that isn't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC) The third party media/sources that you're looking for such as news articles etc is not readily available for financial and investment institutions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 22 July 2010 (UTC) I have added more external 3rd party links. Our company has never been in the news because it's not one to be in the "news". All I want to do is put a simple small wikipedia page up for this company. It's abides by your terms but because we don't have a newspaper article I do not believe this page should be deleted. Just because a company is not famous and in the news shouldn't make or break it's eligibility for your site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC) The last 3rd party links are again notable. AIG and Assurant are insurance companies as for us and Investment Asset Management Firm. I don't understand with all of the sources i've provided why it's still a problem with getting a simple article published and not flagged like I put up some sort of slander or advertising material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC) Took off the publicy traded thing as there seemed to be a problem with it even though our largest competitor Edward Jones Investment is not publicy traded and is on wikipedia with those words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 06:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, so it exists. Per the aforementioned guideline, that isn't enough; it needs significant coverage in reliable third-party sources.  --Falcon Darkstar Momot (talk) 05:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's exactly it. The notability guideline (WP:CORP) isn't there to establish criteria for determining whether a company exists.  It's there to help determine whether the company is notable (that is to say, significant enough to have an article in Wikipedia).  Accordingly, it requires significant coverage (there is a set of criteria for determining what is and is not significant coverage at Notability_(organizations_and_companies)) in reliable third-party sources.  Some financial institutions are certainly notable; AIG comes to mind, as well as Assurant (which is notable partially because of its infamy, which is documented in its article).  The company in question essentially has to be big, innovative, or very involved in something newsworthy.  I own a company called the Iridium Digital Systems Corporation, but it does not have a Wikipedia article nor is it entitled to one: though I can easily prove it exists, and do so daily, it doesn't do anything that hundreds of other similar companies do not do, and it doesn't do it in a significant way.  --Falcon Darkstar Momot (talk) 05:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The issue is very simple: not all companies are notable enough to merit having an article. This company exists--good! You work for them--uh oh, might make it hard for you to be objective in judging the notability of it. WP:CORP has some very clear guidelines on what makes a company notable. If yours hasn't been written about by independent organizations other than just a simple directory-listing of it, it's probably not going to be a viable article. At this time...if and when others take note and write substantially about it, then it would likely be a valid topic. DMacks (talk) 06:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks DMacks, saved me some time, exactly what I was going to say. Your competitor has been in the independent news through the post-dispatch and business journal of St Louis, which is why their company merits and article. NativeForeigner {{sup|Talk}}/{{sub|Contribs}} 06:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

What exactly are you looking for? I really want to stay on this site. Independent financial institutions are never written about. It's as simple as that. There is no reason for articles to be written about them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 06:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Then exactly as you say, "There is no reason for articles to be written about" yours here. Sorry, but there is a huge consensus that that is the standard for Wikipedia. DMacks (talk) 06:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Merit enough is that our company has 68 million under assets and a customer base of 500. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC) we'll have OUR team of lawyers review your guidelines and we'll resubmit our page back to you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecburnett12 (talk • contribs) 06:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)