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Proposed deletion of Vatican supports the occult symbols of the Third Reich


The article Vatican supports the occult symbols of the Third Reich has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
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Sourcing & whatnot
I'd originally posted this on the talk page for the article, but I'm reposting this here in case you don't read it before the page is deleted. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   06:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * We need secondary sources that comment about this, such as scholarly peer-reviewed articles or newspapers that we would consider to be a reliable source. Your father's newspaper article isn't enough. I don't think that this is going to pass notability guidelines anytime soon. Now that said, what I would suggest is that you look into some of the fringe websites out there. They can't be used as reliable sources, but they're a good place to post.
 * That said, I would have to say that you will have to be prepared for some sort of argument against this being the Vatican supporting the occult or the Third Reich. Christianity is fairly well known for appropriating symbols and incorporating them into their works, not because they support any occult or Pagan activities, but because they're trying to make it easier for people from those religions and belief systems to convert to Christianity. They figured that if they said that this was God trying to appeal to them instead of other/false gods (meaning that they were Christian/Hebrew symbols all along), they'd be more likely to convert. The most recognized examples of this would be that Pagan and Christian holidays tend to occur on the same days (Christmas/Yule), as well as the whole "God strongly represents Zeus" hypothesis. The presence of occult or Pagan symbols in a pre-existing Christian artwork doesn't automatically mean that the Vatican supports this, especially since it was supposedly painted by a sect of monks. It could just be that the monks were trying to do what their predecessors have been doing for a long time: trying to appropriate symbols and assert that they were always meant to be part of Christianity and are therefore "not occult". Plus we also have to figure that it might be the specific painter as opposed to the religious sect as a whole. In any case, you'll have to back the argument up with a lot when you go to the fringe sites. They can be accepting, but they also want to have things backed up as much as possible.Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   06:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)