User talk:Alex 21/Archive 17

Have a pint on me


Have a pint on me,

69.50.70.9 (talk) 04:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Jack Sebastian
Regarding the first part of your response from WP:ANI, the fact that you're open to a resolve is a step in the right direction. Looking from @'s perspective, he seems to think that you're the one hounding him, while in your eyes, he's the one actively attacking you. And judging from your edit histories, you both seem genuinely committed to the Wiki. Whatever edit disputes you two are currently having, perhaps there could be a constructive way to discuss the issues without you two making threats and filing reports on each other? I'm not choosing any sides here, but this conflict does seem to be getting a bit too heated. DarkKnight2149 07:27, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Obviously he has no plans to, since he plans to oppose me at every single possible turn. The newest example? . Requesting an admin to increment the number of aired episodes. And he opposes this. The most uncontroversial of edits. Enjoy. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 22:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * And yet again, the editor has attempted to come to my talk page with false accusations and an attempt at superiority over me, at both his length of time editing and the fact that he thinks that I'm following him around, when the pages in question are on my watchlist and have been for years (what is even more amusing is that the editor stopped being a major contributor to the protected article in question in 2013, then only started editing it again 25 days after I first edited it, and more actively after me - who's following who now?). They obviously plan to oppose me at every turn. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 03:32, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 24 October
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What's safe and what's not
Why is a certain webcolor not a safe? Everytime I used Snook, the color I made is either too dark or too light cause I don't control a certain slider. I was looking at the WP Color page and there are more than just one link. Plus, why am I on your watchlist? S hannon434 (talk) 04:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * What colour are you trying to adjust? Simply slide the saturation and value bars to increment the contrast ratio, until it's greater than 7. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 03:45, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi ATW. Is it safe?. I am sorry for the hassle that you are having to put up with so I hope this brings a smile or two. Keep the bottle of "oil of cloves" handy. Cheers and have a spooktacular Halloween weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:13, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Marnette, as always, you're amazing. Thanks for the link, it brought a laugh. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 06:35, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I did that with red but I wanted a true color out of it but they always turn lighter salmon red. How come you don't accept the web colors on wikipedia? S hannon434 (talk) 04:40, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * As Alex asked, what color/what article are you looking to adjust the color to be compliant? I can look at it to see what can be done if you still aren't getting it as you want and compliant. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:38, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * How come you don't accept the web colors on wikipedia? Because / is not compliant with WCAG 2 AAA Compliancy, and by extension, WP:COLOR. No website, either it is Wikipedia or not, should use red as a background colour with black or white foreground text. The nearest colours are either or .  Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 06:35, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Agents of shield ratings
I have seen a few sources say that 2.47million people watched locked up even tv by the numbers. All you have to do is google agents of shield ratings click news, then search tools, and change sort by relevance to sort by date, and scroll down tv by the numbers will come up and it will say 2.47 million people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.1.199.18 (talk) 04:25, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Those are not the final ratings, and hence, those are not the ratings used on Wikipedia. Discuss it on the article's talk page. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 06:37, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Start date in AltDate parameter
Please note that the AltDate parameter should use Start date if OriginalAirDate is also present, per the documentation of Episode list and Start date. – nyuszika7h (talk) 15:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 15:33, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Episode ratings template
I've actually been meaning to write to you on a seperate topic. I recently created Template:Australian television episode ratings, based somewhat on your Template:Television episode ratings. Your existing template isn't particularily adaptable to Australian television series (demo ratings/share aren't the common metric in Australia - total viewers are, our ratings are released with rankings, we don't use 'consolidated' or 'timeshift' as opposed to 'DVR', Australian ratings these days typically don't exceed one million viewers thus don't always need rounding, etc). However, as a relatively novice template editor, if you got a chance would you mind just casting your eye over it for any technical issues or related problems with it I may have overlooked. I've transcluded it on a few pages now just to test it with real data, and so far things are smooth, but a neutral opinion wouldn't hurt. The main reason I created the template was because multiple editors were making wikitables from scratch and there was no consistency across Australian television program articles, and a template seemed an easy solution to the issue. -- Whats new?(talk) 01:59, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the reason I initially created Television episode ratings, to create some sort of standard and consistency; same with the other templates I've created for television articles. I have noticed that Australian shows use different tables, but I never really looked into it; while I'm Australian myself, I don't actually watch many Aussie series, just the occasional one and the American series. Just looking over the documentation, it seems alright; however, I would remove the coloured header background and text, and stick to the default background and black text, else WP:COLOR compliancy issues come into play (there's an entire discussion about this at Template talk:Infobox television season/Archive 3). Perhaps add the sortable class to the table as well (except for the references column), per the original template? Overall, it looks like a well-functioning template. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 02:13, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. There's a lot of issues with the way Australian ratings are released that mean custom tables are sometimes necessary (for example, split ratings for the same episode, meaning merging rows - which I haven't figured out yet how to do in a template, its my next challenge). I only added the colour functionality because some of the custom Wikitables used colours and wanted to retain the option. I also deliberately removed sortable, so if merged rows in some columns could be added in the future without destroying functionality. -- Whats new?(talk) 02:22, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no problems. Can you give me an example on what you mean by split ratings in regular wikitable format? I might be able to come up with something for you, that you can adapt for the template. And colours are all well and good, but if you're going to keep the usage of them, add tracking so that editors can track non-compliant colour usages and fix them. For example, Infobox television season uses the following code:, which then adds non compliant usages to Category:Articles using Template:Infobox television season with invalid colour combination. Something that could be used for this template would be  .  Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 02:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for the tip on the colours, might look to work that in at some stage. Split table example could be something like The Block (season 11), where you'll note the final episode at the bottom of the table is one episode, but has two ratings - the first is the bulk of the program, the second is for the last 10 or 15 minutes when the winner of the show is announced. Networks code the end portion seperately of reality show finales so they can get media headlines of a higher peak figure, but it means merging columns like date, timeslot, episode number, etc. I also quite like the week far-left Week column on articles where episodes air multiple times a week, but there's the same merging issue when attempting to incorporate into a template. -- Whats new?(talk) 02:40, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that perhaps a separate template would be best for an example like that, instead of trying to merge it into the currently-existing template. Perhaps Australian television episode ratings/split; copy the code across and modify it as a separate template, and rather than using title{1-30}, use title{1-30}{A-E} (for example). So, that is, have title1A, title1B, title1C, title2A, title2B, etc. It's how I originally created Series overview, with Series overview/split and Series overview/special, but they've since been deleted when I converted the template to WP:Lua. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 02:50, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah that might be a workable solution. The issue of course with Australian television is the scheduling is so erratic, so one week you could have two eps, the next four eps, the next just one, so you can't pre-plan and you need that flexibility to modify the table. I had considered setting a variable to include how many episodes per week, but because it changes, it couldn't work pre-set. I might have a go at incorporating some of your suggestions though when I have the time to play around with it properly. Thank goodness for those template sandboxes! Thanks for the advice, appreciate it. -- Whats new?(talk) 03:00, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Amen to the sandboxes. I'd be lost without them; I mean, look at the history of my module sandbox. And perhaps allow up to E for lettered parameters (e.g. title1E), but only include them if they're set. So, as an example and going by your examples of 2/4/1 for the number of episodes each week, you can set title1A, title1B (2 one week), title2A, title2B, title2C, title2D (4 next week), title3A (1 the week after), and all related parameters, but in the code itself, check for the existence of title1A through title1E using  (repeated for each lettered parameter), and include them if they're set. Hope that makes sense!  Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 03:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, quite the rich history you have there! I think that does make sense, but you never really know until you start playing around with it in reality as to whether these things work or not. It took me hours to work out why something wasn't displaying correctly on the template, and after countless major rewrites and restructuring, turns out it was a one-letter typo! If I do start working on this template extension and get stuck, I might consult you for advice again. -- Whats new?(talk) 03:23, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No problems. I'll be here when you do, I'm not running away anytime soon. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 03:27, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Not related to this, but you may be amused that the edit-war'er at Divorce (TV series) has decided to take a smoothly uncivil tone here in regards to a recent edit-warring report I've filed (not against them), trying to turn it back on me after having been reverted by the two of us. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 16:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh that's unfortunante. If only some editors would discuss, engage and learn. -- Whats new?(talk) 04:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Britney Spears videography
Hello again! I've been having some trouble recently with an IP address who can't seem to respect the Wikipedia's rules and guidelines. The user keeps removing sourced material from the article and "fixing" it by its own mind, with no reliable sources and with no regards for what does have reliable sources confirming what's in the article. I've warned it that if it continues to revert my edits, with no sources, it would eventually break the WP:3RR and face a potential block and the user has ignored every warning. I don't know what to do... Please help me. Thanks a bunch! —  Art manha  (talk) 12:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've template-warned both IPs on their respective talk pages and reverted the edits; if they continue, then file a report at WP:AN3. I can do it myself, if you'd prefer? It'd be no hassle. And please do be careful that you don't violate 3RR yourself by reverting, great editors being blocked is an upsetting event. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 12:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Once again, thanks a lot! The user have undone your edit, and I don't know how to file a report at WP:AN3, so if you could do that, I'd be very grateful. —  Art manha  (talk) 12:47, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No problems at all. I've pinged you in the report. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 13:24, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As ALWAYS, you are the best of the best! Thanks a lot lot lot!! Hope it solves the issue for good. —  Art manha  (talk) 14:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The IP address doesn't seem to have any respect for the Wikipedia community... It has once again reverted my edits. —  Art manha  (talk) 20:35, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I was unfairly warned by you. The user @Artmanha keeps adding unsourced information to Britney Spears Videography section. As if it wasn't enough, he keeps removing "What's Going On", which was an official video, and messing up with the chronological order of said videos. You can check yourself that the videos were always presented in the way I edited until this user came along and started messing up the article. Amilliondeadstars (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's set the record straight, you should pay closer attention the page's history to realize I'm not the one removing "What's Going On" and that I added a source to every single information I added to the page. I'm not messing any chronology. And the fact that the videos were always presented in the way I edited until this user came along and started messing up the article does not mean it should stay that way as per WP:EDIT and WP:STATUSQUO. Thanks —  Art manha  (talk) 21:26, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking about filing a protection request for the page... What do you say? —  Art manha  (talk) 21:37, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

, You were warned enough. If you are both IP editors (obvious, as you posted as 201 here then change the signature, and reverted identical content to the 93 IP editor), then the 3RR report applies against your logged-in account as well. And that might be an idea,, but do let me know if the page ends up being protected, as the admins take a only-block-or-only-protect approach; that is, if the page is protected, the report against the editor will cease from their standpoint. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems as the editor stopped edit warring, so I believe it won't be necessary to request a protection for the page anymore. Once again, thanks for the support —  Art manha  (talk) 00:23, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I just created this account today to reply to you. Sorry, I don't really know how to use Wikipedia talk pages properly yet so I thought creating an account might be easier for us both. I'm not sure why you want to protect the page against ME, if it is other users who keeps changing the entire article, adding wrong information! For instance, there is absolutely no need to indicate "Break The Ice" and "Kill The Lights" as "animated videos". They are official videos as per Britney's VEVO, no need to indicate they are animated, let alone in lowercase. They also keeps removing "What's Going On", which is an official video. Another point, there isn't any "When Your Eyes Say It" video. His source is an unofficial website which hasn't been updated in ages and is unreliable. There isn't any official mention of said video anywhere. Also I contacted the directors and they said they have no knowledge of this video. I hope this user stop messing up with the article. Thanks for your time. Amilliondeadstars (talk) 00:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Look, you've learned how to actually start a discussion. And "contacting the directors", if you ever even did, is original research and not able to be used. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:31, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The source for "When Your Eyes Say It" is reliable and was taken from the "Oops!... I Did It Again" article from when the video was being produced; you find no mention to this video because the project was dropped out and never released, but that doesn't mean it never existed (the same thing happened with the first "Make Me..." video). As for the "What's Going On" video, I'm not the one removing it. I kind of agree with you on the animated mentions, for only for the "Break the Ice" video, since the "Kill the Lights" is indeed a promotional animated video, official, but promotional (KtL is not a single). And last but not least, the protection would not be against you, but against any editor with disruptive behavior (which includes edit warring). Hope we reached a consensus. —  Art manha  (talk) 00:47, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

TV flag waiving
I see the "if it's British it's only British" flag waiving is back on a couple TV articles. I just weighed in on The Crown. Good lord, how they can kid themselves that this show isn't principally American is beyond me, but they do. I've been doing the same thing with Poldark, which is produced in the same manner as Sherlock and Downton. Thanks for fighting the good fight. --Drmargi (talk) 17:02, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your well-put views on the article, they're always greatly appreciated, and I couldn't have put it better myself. It's Sherlock and Downton Abbey all over again, but in this case, the series is more American than it is British, hence, American-British. But the flag-waving continues even after a direct quote is pulled that names it American. By the way, a small typo; "Downton Abbey would exist if Masterpiece hadn't co-produced"? Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:09, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up on the typo! Honestly, the British editors have got to get over ownership of these co-productions.  It's been widely and broadly publicized that Netflix is the producer and ordered this show.  The numpty who thinks the only source we should believe is the BBC is way off the mark.  Like the BBC doesn't have an agenda...  --Drmargi (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Many other sources exist other than the BBC; there's even articles stating how the BBC were rather annoyed at not being able to produce the series themselves. Even as you said, British/America collaborations are becoming more common nowadays. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:21, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Hey. Sort of related to this, as you may or may not know, the TV MOS is being updated section by section, and we are currently working on WP:TVLEAD. I'm brought up the idea to maybe include wording like WP:FILMLEAD has regarding if a film has multiple production nationalities, that it does not get mentioned in the opening sentence of the lead. Would love for you both to comment on this particularly, or any other ideas/concerns you may have, if you so choose. You can find the discussion here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:50, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Broadcast (Frequency)
I read the linked style guide but I'm not sure how the broadcast section is supposed to be written based on it. It just basically says it shouldn't be overdetailed, but what should it be replaced with? "Parts of Asia"?-- occono (talk) 21:55, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Consensus at WP:TV is that per WP:TVINTL, articles should only describe the release dates of a series in major English-speaking countries (for example, America, Canada, Australia, UK, New Zealand, etc.). Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:03, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Disrupt behavior
Hi, still regarding that Britney Spears videography problem, a user is using disruptive behavior against me at my talk page. He has been warned about edit warring. How to proceed? —  Art manha  (talk) 00:07, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about Marco Gerola? It seems that the editor in question has actually already been banned, six hours ago; see their talk page. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:11, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment for : Hello! I think the major problem that is causing this situation is the format of the page. If you look at the article Lady Gaga videography, which is a featured article, you will understand what I mean. If you want we both can work on this in the coming days. Seeing as though the user is only blocked for 31 hours, I am sure this problem will persist until we find a solution or compromise with the editor. Fixing it before they come back will be optimal. Chase (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I saw your edits and I'm on board with the changes. I did some editing there to add some information. I was thinking if it wasn't better to put the repetitive information together?

Like the example above? —  Art manha  (talk) 22:02, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Reply to : If you look at WP:MOS they prefer to not have "rowspans". Chase | talk 03:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay by me. But is there a particular reason? Because the way I see it, it makes the table a lot cleaner —  Art manha  (talk) 04:05, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply to : It states "The powerful and useful sorting feature can be enabled by adding class="sortable" to the top row. Extreme caution should be applied if rowspan or colspan is used. It is also possible to combine classes, as in class="wikitable sortable"." It is just for better accessability. Chase | talk 04:29, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Not at all trying to be rude, but could this be continued on either of your talk pages, or the article's talk page? Please and thank you. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 04:38, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Reign
Hi,

Per our edits on Reign, I disagree with the character tenure tables. From what I've seen on other TV show articles pages, many shows still use this format (a cleaner and more accessible) style of formatting for character tenures, again, also on the main article pages. Why can this not be used here?

Example;

Gilmore Girls

B.Davis2003 (talk) 02:17, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have replied to your post on the article's talk page. Keep the discussion in one place. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 02:17, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Whose Line (again)
Didn't respond to my last message, and the page still looks erroneous. Posting again:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/whose-line-is-it-anyway/ http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2016/04/05/the-cw-network-announces-additional-2016-summer-premieres-1414/20160405cw01/

Those two links from thefutoncritic specify that the new Season 12 season started May 23rd, 2016. It also contradicts itself saying it only has 12 episodes in season 12. Not so "reliable" to be flawless I think.

It does not make sense for the last episode of Season 11 to be July 27th, 2016; and the first episodes of Season 12 to be July 26th, 2016 (one day previous).

Plenty of other sources using that same CW press release that show that season 12 started on May 23rd, 2016: http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/whose-line-anyway-season-12-cw-series-returns-may/ http://www.yourentertainmentcorner.com/?p=85616 http://cwpittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/04/20/2016-summer-premieres/

I think it is more conclusive to go off a date to specify when a season started, instead of using a # of episodes measure. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:681:4C02:6020:8162:78A8:5F95:8AEC (talk) 17:14, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
 * My thoughts are that you should take this to the article's talk page, not here. No other editor seems to have had an issue with it, or reverted me, since I implemented the edits. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 21:03, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Help with a draft, if interested
Hey Alex. I started a draft for the upcoming Arrowverse crossover at Draft:Invasion! (Arrowverse). Would love help/feedback on it if you're interested. I got some of the basics down, including a modified version of Infobox television episode, which I'd love your opinion on regardless of the best way to implement, if not how I did it. I'm going to keep expanding it over the next few weeks to have it ready before it airs, or while it is airing. Thanks! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll definitely take a look at it for you! The infobox looks pretty good so far. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:43, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Let me know too, if you think there is any info missing. With the crossover on EW's cover this week, most of the search results are centered on that, but I think I got all the major news points that were revealed since May. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Would we be linking the episode entries in the episode tables for the separate series to this page? And if so, would we then be adding the plot for all three series into the one article? And is the cast table necessary? Not that I blatantly disagree with it, but I've always found prose-listings far tidier. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 13:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The plan is to link the episode entries to this article, yes. The thought is to make one large plot, more inline with WP:FILMPLOT guidelines for length, and not make three separate plots. That way everything can flow nicely. The reason I went with the cast table, at least for the main cast, was I felt that would be easiest to visualize how each actor is credited, and would be the easiest way to order and represent them all, if ordered by the main cast for each series, over actual order. Because, for example, Stephen Amell, will be a guest first in The Flash, and then starring in Arrow. I guess an alternative could be list as prose, and then include text like "Gustin guest stars in the Arrow and Legends episodes." but that felt clunky to me. I'm also thinking that once the Futon sources come out for each episode, that would be a good time to move to the mainspace. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:26, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey guys, I've just caught up on the Arrowverse and had a look over the page (I gave it a bit of a c/e). I think we could manage with just a prose cast list, but if we are using the table then I think it should be for everyone who appears in multiple episodes, not just the main cast, as the point of it seems to be showing who is credited, how, and when. So Supergirl could go in the table, and the prose would just be for the individual episode guests then. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:12, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe that listing all recurring characters in the table, and singular appearance characters in prose, would work perfectly fine. It would give a more definitive view on which character crossover to each series during the event. When adding the plot, I would recommend sub-sectioning the events of the separate episodes, and to include the ending of the Supergirl episode.
 * Also, relating to the Arrowverse, but not to the draft, something else has been brought to my attention. None of the show-runners in the series table at are sourced; however, the show-runners in the three tables at List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series are sourced. This should probably be fixed as soon as possible.  Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 09:26, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Adam. Thanks for joining (I forgot to ping you earlier). I'm fine with moving recurring up to the table, and leaving the guest as prose. The only reason I didn't, was for this reason (at the moment): would Supergirl get CRecurring spanned across the three rows, or CGuest? "Guest" is technically the correct credit, but she is recurring; hence my confusion. Also, how would we order to satisfy WP:TVCAST? Keep them grouped by the main actors of the three series, inserting between as needed, or a literal, this is how the were ordered in The Flash, with us tacking on the bottom as we go to the Arrow and LoT eps? Alex, regarding plot. I definitely felt including the end of the Supergirl episode was a definite must. However, I don't think we need to subsection the three plots. But that isn't a bit issue in my eyes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:21, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, showrunner sources for the Arrowverse should be on each main article. If there is a change per season, that might be a bit trickier. But at least the starting ones are there, which can be copied over. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:22, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree about the Arrowverse showrunners, that is an issue I have already had with the article. For the cast table, I think we should just use CMain or CGuest for each episode depending on how they are credited (so Supergirl would be indicated as recurring by having CGuest spanning multiple rows). To satisfy TVCAST, we should use the order in which each actor is credited onscreen, starting with the main cast of Flash, then the special guests and guests on Flash, then the main cast of Arrow who were not guests in the Flash episode, etc. As for the plot, I agree that we should start with the end of the Supergirl episode, but I'm not sure about subsectioning yet. I think that is something that will be more clear once the episodes start airing. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:36, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Adjusted the cast table. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:15, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Only just getting around to replying. The cast table looks perfectly fine now, and should stick to Main and Guest. Favre, when you wanted the Futon releases to come out before moving to the mainspace, you meant the actual press releases, yes? Because links have been released for the three series for the Invasion! episodes, but they're only placeholder links, with no information. Regarding the Arrowverse showrunners, I've somewhat confused - the Marvel tables require them, but the Arrowverse tables do not, and only need them in their main articles? Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 05:31, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant once the Futon links have the actual press material - I see how they are just placeholder right now. Once those get updated, we can add the missing Flash creative info, and write up a premise between the three episodes for the lead and premise section, and cite any remaining castings. Then I think we're good to get it in the mainspace, if that's allowed for future episodes. Is it? And for the showrunners, what I meant is, yes, they should probably be sourced in the Arrowverse article table, and that the sources for the showrunners can be found on the main articles of each series, to copy over. If there are any changes, those might not necessarily be reflected on the main articles to copy over. Hope that clarified it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:52, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thought so. And I see no issue with moving it to the mainspace before it airs. It's a major event with enough production information covering it; I know that many Doctor Who episodes, if not all of them, have been created ahead of their airing. And that did clarify it, thanks; I'll be getting around to copying those references across soon. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 05:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


 * As regards the mishap during my move: I was asked to move Draft:Invasion! (Arrowverse) to Invasion! (Arrowverse), and Invasion! (Arrowverse) already had some redirect edits, and somewhere a Wikipedia buffer had been slow to be flushed. Sorry. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:37, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Have you seen?
Hi ATW. Working my way through your TV and film lists and I didn't see The Expanse (TV series) - or at least my aging eyes missed it. If you haven't seen it I think it is worth a look. I wavered on how good I thought it is but it has some wonderful acting and that will always keep me coming back for more. Cheers to ya and have a pleasant weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 02:01, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, Marnette. It's near the top of my To Watch list (massive as that list is), and I'm hoping to watch it before the second season premieres in February. I've just had so much on my plate that I've never got around to it. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 02:06, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I sure know how that is. They just added Netflix to my cable package so I am a few episodes into Marvel's Daredevil and will be getting to the others they have as well. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 02:08, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've long been up-to-date on the Marvel series. They're brilliant. And The Expanse is finally under (along with 70+ other series!).  Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 02:33, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Marvel's Netflix content is fantastic (Jessica Jones is my favorite). Looking at your to watch list, Alex, a few comments. If you get to Heroes, prepare to be frustrated after the first two seasons. Sadly the show goes downhill really fast, and Reborn wasn't as satisfying as it could have been. Parks and Rec is a must, as is Stranger Things. But that is quite a good list you have! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:05, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * So I've heard, in regards to Heroes! I finished watching the first season last year; I've yet to watch the rest. And Stranger Things is actually on top of on my to-watch list, as soon as exams finish, right before The Crown. (Though, if you think that's a large list, you should see my to-read list...) Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 09:28, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Just finished The Crown ATW. Very well done and I think you will enjoy it. When you get to episode five and you see the TV cameras covering the coronation don't forget that you know how millions of viewers lives were saved!!! Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 02:27, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

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Twobells
We're going to have out hands full with Twobells. He'll keep pushing for days trying to have his way, so be prepared. --Drmargi (talk) 15:23, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Already noted. Some people just can't accept facts. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 15:38, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he'll get on a tear about this occasionally. If you want to see him at his finest, see Battlestar Galactica.  He has a triumvirate of arguments he'll fall back on:  it's only neutral if it's done his way; hyphenated country names are bad practice, and his edits are non-controversial and thereby shouldn't be challenged.  He doesn't see why a marketing source like that British Film Commission one isn't reliable.  And he just doesn't accept that consensus has run against him and/or that he has to gain consensus for an edit once it's challenged.  It's just tiresome.  --Drmargi (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I could name a many number of editors I've met like that in my two years here. I'm sure we'll manage. It's only one editor against the consensus of many. I did find it amusing when they they changed it to "international", obviously indicating the American while simultaneously arguing the British. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 16:01, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's part of his playbook. That's how he makes it "neutral."  --Drmargi (talk) 20:15, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * And you see what I mean. He doesn't let go (go back to late-January 2015 to see him at his finest).  I warned him this morning.  I won't do any good, but at least the "paperwork" is done.  BTW, love the picture of you with Nathan Fillion.  A friend works on another show on the same lot where Castle used to shoot, so I had free run of the place one day.  Good fun!  --Drmargi (talk) 21:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If he continues to force his view on the article, the next time, I'll file a report against him. And thanks! Where they used to shoot... My favourite cop drama that was cancelled and ended on such a bad note. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 03:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

If you're interested...
I was updating some things on my user page and decided to create these userboxes User:Favre1fan93/WestworldHost and User:Favre1fan93/WestworldGuest. Thought you'd might like to include one on yours! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:33, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * For sure! You know, once I've actually watched further than the first episode! Exam study got me busy, so I never had time to watch past the premiere. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 23:26, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Really?! I can't wait each week until the next episode is out! I guess by your active editing on the article at times, I thought you were up to date. I hope if you know the spoilers, it doesn't dimish the experience for you. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:54, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've managed to avoid most of the spoilers so far, minus the one about the new host. That's the only one. Looking forward to catching up on it! Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 01:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Happy Anniversary
Happy 53rd ATW!!! 33 years ago The Five Doctors aired in the US 2 days before it did in the UK. It was fun to get to see it first. I didn't have a VCR yet so a friend recorded it for me. 25 years ago I was living in Ketchikan, AK and spent the day watching my video tapes most of which I had recorded from out local PBS station. Only a few stories had been released on VHS at the time. Today everything is on DVD (and CD for the missing stories) I wonder what technology will replace these in ten or fifteen years time. I probably should have left this last night (my time) as the 23rd is almost over for you. You'd think that a fan of a time traveler would take the difference in our time zones into account wouldn't you :-) Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

RE: Metacrisis
Hi. If you can come up with a better word (or wording) than "clone", then be my guest. But "metacrisis" isn't a real-world term (and it only appeared in one episode, so not widely used either), and so shouldn't be used. DonQuixote (talk) 01:15, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Done; "duplicate" is a far more better-fitting word than "clone", which would mean identical in every way. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 02:13, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Reply on Talk Page
In case the ping didn't work or you saw it, but then forgot. :) Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 01:27, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Infobox editing
Let me know if you need help editing Infobox television episode when you are done with the article fixes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Will do, thanks. The two regex's I provided should cover most if not all transclusions and the updates. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 07:40, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

AN3
I see our esteemed corps d'admin are still ignoring the AN3 report on Twobells, allowing it to go state a second time. Where's the accountability for this? --Drmargi (talk) 17:39, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Seeing that the report is just getting ignored or marked as stale is simply fueling him to continue edit-warring. Disgraceful. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 01:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Module:Episode list
This edit to Module:Episode list added, which now has 5,128 members. However, the category does not exist. Is this supposed to be temporary, or did you just forget to create the cat? -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 08:18, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry; forgot to create the category. I actually need to fix my edit, since it seems to have populated it incorrectly. I'll get right on that! Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 10:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I just wanted to check whether there should be a category before I created it. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 15:24, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

A Series of Unfortunate Events (TV Series)
Hello. Thank you for your message. I made a series of edits on A Series of Unfortunate Events (TV series) as a representative from the show so I can verify that they are quite constructive and accurate. Please do not undo them. Thank you very much.Reberin (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You have no proof to back up your claim, and no sources to add to the article to back up the information. Your word is not an acceptable source. Continue to add this unverified content, and you may be reported and/or blocked for edit warring. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Color name
I was double checking the turquoisey blue color from TinEye Labs and it is billed as #25afbc not #2facba.S hannon434 (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What image are you using? I get #2facba here. Besides, the two colours are only fractionally different; barely even noticeable. Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 00:51, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/vikings/photo-gallery-detail/EP01546890/127307817?aid=zap2it. When I used that pic on TinyEye, it had #25afbc. S hannon434 (talk) 06:57, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Vikings: Credits as reference
Hi. When I add the editors, producers, cinematographers, etc. on Vikings season 4, I use the episodes' credits as reference. How can I reference that information?--TheVampire (talk) 23:43, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If these names are explicitly stated as "Editor [NAME]" etc. you can use the Cite episode template, with as many of the parameters that are applicable filled in. Be sure to also include the time parameter to state the time in the episode when the credits start (generally or the exact time). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:01, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Merry

 * I hope that you are having a delightful time wherever your trip has taken you :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And to you, Marnette! :) My trip is to a small town of only 1,000 people, but there's family here, so most definitely a delightful time. Have a great Christmas! Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 08:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

iZombie character sections
Hello, Alex.

Recently I made some edits to the iZombie page, which you reverted with the reasoning most of it was fancruft. After some reflection, had to admit you were correct, and so I attempted to trim it down. Still, it was reverted. I made my case on the edit page why I would disagree, but just in case my explanation isn't sufficient, may I suggest an alternative compromise?

Perhaps we could make a list of characters as separate page, similar to the wiki entries for shows like Once Upon A Time? Or perhaps Breaking Bad, where those pages have more detailed character information?

I don't wish to start an edit war; especially one where I know my edits would likely be reverted and my IP temporarily banned. I just would like to add more depth to the character descriptions, particularly those that are only a few sentences.

Do you think this could be a possible solution? If not, well, I defer to your experience as a wiki editor when it comes to making such decisions,

Happy Holidays, 70.208.80.4 (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * And to you, Davey! All the best for Christmas and the upcoming New Year! Alex&#124;The&#124;Whovian ? 08:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)