User talk:Alex 21/Archive 25

Complete rewrites on series 11 article
Was it really necessary to completely rewrite all the content I had added to Draft:Doctor Who (series 11), especially since I had a few named sources that I was working with? It came across as a bit passive aggressive/WP:OWN-y, and made some unnecessary work for me. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 05:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Throwing out WP:OWN accusations over a few required copy-edits. Serious stuff. --  Alex TW 05:22, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, you did mess up a few sources, and completely rewriting someone's text doesn't exactly come across as friendly. Honestly, it just looked like you went in and editing the version from before my edits.  I will admit, I've been guilty of the same thing in the past, but sometimes, even if you think your version is much, much better than someone else's, maybe take a few moments and try to leave some of what they wrote, just to show some respect and contribute to the collaborative environment.  G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 05:29, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not entirely seeing what I deleted. I added to the infobox, added to the lead, combined the paragraphs about the tenth and eleventh series companions, and fixed clunky language such as "10 50-minute episodes" and "12-13 45-minute episodes". Really, the only thing that I removed was a rumour source about Walsh as a companion. Now that we have confirmation, we don't need hesitant rumour sources. --  Alex TW 05:33, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * As I said, completely rewriting the references messed up another edit I was in the middle of. You also misnamed one, citing something about the possible return of River Song where it should have been a source about airdate.  As for the Bradley Walsh "rumour source", if we don't need that type of information, then why do we need sources about speculation as to the casting of the next Doctor?
 * But that's all beside the point. You're avoiding the main drive of my comment, which was that the way you went about your copyediting (which I will agree helped the sentence about series length, which was rather clumsy) was off-putting and made it feel like you don't really respect other's work on the article.  It would be especially so to a new user, and might make them reconsider their decision to help edit Wikipedia.  G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 05:43, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Vikings (TV series)
This is just a courtesy note to remind you that you've made 3 reversions at Vikings (TV series). Another will result in a 3RR breach. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 17:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm aware; thanks for the notice. I'd already decided to cease editing the article further from my final edit after I started the discussion. --  Alex TW 17:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's fair enough, I just didn't want either of you to accidentally breach 3RR. has already acknowledged that he's at the same stage, so i didn't see the need to notify him. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 17:35, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Participation in discussion
If you're going to revert, at least participate in the discussion. Playing hall monitor doesn't help the situation. BTW, if you cite BRD, at least be sure what you're reverting to was a revert. In this case, it wasn't. It was an alteration of the original post. BRD doesn't apply. -- -- Dr. Margi  ✉  23:22, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Be Cool, Scooby-Doo!
Hi AlexTheWhovian, regarding your edits to Be Cool, Scooby-Doo!, I'm not sure I completely agree with your decision to delete every international date simply because it is an American series. Specifically, at WikiProject Cartoon Network, it states Airdates in non-English countries should not be included in the infobox unless it is first aired in a non-English country, but if determined to be necessary to include, can be discussed further in the article's body. In this case, all the airdates which you removed from the second season table have not yet aired in the US, but have aired in several other countries. As referenced in the lead paragraph, the second season of the series will not be aired on television in United States, but rather they will all be put exclusively on the Boomerang streaming service. Seeing as none of the season 2 episodes have premiered on the streaming service and likely won't anytime soon (you'll notice the date of the reference is March 7), but have aired in several countries internationally, in my opinion that would justify inclusion of the referenced non-US dates in this case. That being said, I am interested to hear your perspective and thoughts on this issue. Cheers, Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  15:56, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The WP:CONSENSUS of WP:TV is to only include airdates for the country of origin. Broadcast details for countries foreign to the country of origin should be noted elsewhere in the article, primarily under a "Broadcast" section. Australian shows give Australian dates, UK shows give UK dates, U.S. shows give U.S. dates. (Pinging - see? Not U.S. centric.) The episode can be included with reliable sources, but TBA is what should be displayed until a U.S. release/broadcast date are announced. And if another date were to be added, only the first date that episode was broadcast on should have been listed - not dates for four separate countries. --  Alex TW 10:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining further. Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, this would mean that the international dates at List of Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated episodes should be deleted as well as it is a US show? Cheers, Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  17:05, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the later reply. Also, home media is not supported in the series overview tables per WP:TVOVERVIEW; the table should be converted to the template Series overview, and the home media table separated and moved to a new section between Episodes and References. --  Alex TW 00:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries and I appreciate your reply and explanation. I actually didn't notice the home media section as I'm not as familiar with that article as I am the Be Cool, Scooby-Doo! one, but I agree that the tables should definitely be separated. In addition, seeing as the DVD releases are also listed on the main series page, it seems unnecessary to list a duplicate chart citing the same info on both pages. I've gone ahead and deleted the home media section in the series overview table. Also, upon another glance at the international dates I mentioned, I now see that many of them are for premieres which happened months and even years after the US premiere (in addition to the fact that there doesn't seem to be any distinguishable pattern between which countries the dates are being chosen from), so that's especially problematic. I'll take a closer look at it when I get a chance, though unfortunately I do have a very busy real-life at the moment so it may be several days before I'm able to make the revisions needed. You're welcome to make the changes as well if you wish, otherwise I'll probably get to it at some point late next week on a guess. All the best,  Katniss   May the odds be ever in your favor ♥  01:21, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Be Cool Scooby-Doo
It is interesting that you can quote what you want in order to delete, but you don't care enough about the content of the page to insert the relevant information where the consensus says it should go. Edit properly, not just destructively / dismissively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeepingAngel63 (talk • contribs) 10:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * A new section on the same topic as the one above, when you could have just edited and contributed to it... Per the consensus of the Television WikiProject, all that would need to be re-added are the premiere dates. We don't list separate episode dates for each episodes for countries that are foreign to the origin country - name me an Australian series' article with UK or U.S. dates for every episode. Do learn how to sign your posts as well, will you? --  Alex TW 10:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

RE: Titans edit
Per this, I just wanted you to know I've come across this by another user stating the same thing for another article (both slip my mind at the moment, but it was something AoS related I think). But I've never heard of this, that users expect the information to be easily verifiable in a source title. Since when is that a thing? That is virtually never the case. Very perplexing... - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:23, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of it either. Before I reverted the edit, I checked the documentation for cite web to see if there anything to support this new development for the usage of quote, but there's not. Perplexing indeed. --  Alex TW 00:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Request to review the Jay Armstrong Johnson wiki page
Hi AlexTheWhovian, I was wondering, if I can request your help in reviewing the Jay Armstrong Johnson wiki page. Please let me know if you can do it. Thanks. Have a nice day! Elainasla (talk) 07:33, 09 November 2017 (UTC)

11 22 63
Alex,

I've sent an e-mail with attached .jpg ... here's a copy of the text

Happy to help. The DVD is available on amazon.co.uk https://www.amazon.co.uk/11-22-63-DVD-James-Franco/dp/B01CZT1CRI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1510478602&sr=8-2&keywords=11+22+63

I’ll let you re-edit, if not done in say an hour or so, I am happy to re-post

ATB

Tim C UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twcc (talk • contribs) 09:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You will need to add the source into the article, and remove the unsourced original research about a second season. Please read up on Wikipedia's guidelines and policies so that you know how this website is run. Thank you. --  Alex TW 09:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Reliable sources
how is spoilertv unreliable, and how is futon critic so much better? those idiots have failed to update anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjones50 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Look at the team running SpoilerTV - not one of them has any television credentials of any sort, hence making the website unreliable. It's effectively a fan site. On the other hand, The Futon Critic lists the press releases given directly by networks, hence making them reliable. --  Alex TW 03:44, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

If you'd just checked the link I posted you'd find that that information was from a press release, spoilertv weren't making it up, they were posting a press release from the CW, furthermore, futon critic posted about a day later and it was exactly the same as the information I put up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjones50 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Move from draft to main space over a redirect.
Hey Alex, yesterday i moved the Fargo character article Hanzee Dent to Draft:Hanzee Dent, as it consisted almost entirely of a plot summary and relied on a single source. Since then, balanced coverage that includes real-world context and additional sources have been introduced to the article, so i don't see any reason why it should not be published. I don't know why, but i can't move the draft back to the mainspace article, which is now a redirect to Fargo (season 2) (perhaps because i am not a page mover). It seems to me like this is the same as moving Draft:Game of Thrones (season 8) to Game of Thrones (season 8), a page that already existed and redirected to List of Game of Thrones episodes. I am sorry to bother you with that, but i don't really understand what should be done in this case. I've submitted an AfC request, but according to WP:NOTRM this process is for "new/unconfirmed users only". I would appreciate it if you could do something about this or let me know what exactly should be done, as i see no mention to this issue in any WP page. Thank you. -- (Radiphus ) 10:10, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ No problems, all fixed. If the target location has more than one edit in its history, then the two pages need to be swapped manually; see WP:PM/C and the links there for more info. --  Alex TW 10:32, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. -- (Radiphus ) 10:33, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No problems. Happy to be asked to do any manual moves. --  Alex TW 10:36, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Blue's Clues episodes
Funny how you scold me when I was simply putting back information that a user without a profile with a history of vandalism is putting on there, deleting info, such as director and writer of the 10th Anniversary special without any source, and I was changing the episode count from 144 to 143, a number which the episode list ITSELF has, 143. And as there isn't a seventh season, there could not be season seven production codes. I'm just curious why you were so quick to jump down my throat, when I've been a registered user for 11 years, and take the side of a user who doesn't even have a profile page, and has a history of vandalism. And by the way, I added a discussion on the talk page about the 10th Anniversay special regarding the writer/director Dpm12 (talk) 01:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC) Dpm12 (talk) 01:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Funny how you accuse a regular editor as a vandal, I'm sure that'll get you brownie points. Got a reason for that? Same as having to say how long you've been here - if we're doing that, I've got five times more edits than you do! I must be great! I even just had to fix your edits. Those production codes look unsourced, they need to be removed. Not taking any sides, and really, you don't need to repeat yourself more than once. --  Alex TW 02:08, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Regardless, I have no care for the article either way, I only came across it when I updated it to MOS:TV standards. --  Alex TW 02:10, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Courtesy
Alex, you weren't notified by the editor but you were mentioned at ANI. I believe the incident has been resolved by the editor being blocked; just a courtesy call to let you know it was at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Neil S. Walker (talk) 16:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh, the things that happen when I'm sleeping... Thanks for the heads up, glad to see it was resolved. --  Alex TW 00:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Women in Red World Contest
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Error in table
Hi Alex, on the table in the filmography section of the Chloe Ferry article, the year 2017 is on left side and isn't in the centre. Can you fix it please? Cheers, Theo (edits) 22:48, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I've only ever seen the year on the left in filmography tables. However, you can add  to center the text. --  Alex TW 22:57, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Names of articles about municipalities of Venezuela
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Venezuela&type=revision&diff=812331346&oldid=812327236 85.180.161.75 (talk) 07:38, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

FishCenter Live userboxes
if you're interested, I started a series of FishCenter Live userboxes.- 🐦Do☭torWho42 ( ⭐ ) 15:10, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of hatnote details on article
Hi,

Can you please explain the removal of hatnote details in this edit to Wentworth (TV series)?

No explanation or justification was given for this removal in the edit summary, and no attempt has apparently been made to replicate the functionality.

Please note that unexplained removal of content like this without explanation may be considered vandalism.

Ubcule (talk) 15:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Because it is unnecessary mass disambiguation on an article that is already disambiguated in its title as "(TV series)", and hence, the hatnote should only be used to disambiguate between different TV series. If there needs to be a disambiguation page listing all Wentworth articles, then create one, but don't use this page for that purpose.
 * I recommend continuing with accusing regular editors as vandals, see which administrator's board you find yourself on. It's also amusing how you linked the only removal without a summary, from May, instead of the one with a summary earlier this month. --  Alex TW 20:42, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Victoria (TV series)
Why did you delete my edit (2 Oct 2017) on this article. Without even a remark by way of justification. What policy were you enacting in this way? --BeckenhamBear (talk) 15:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, we're going right back. I wonder why you didn't ask me before? I believe for that particular edit, I prematurely hit enter before I typed an edit summary. The episode summary is to describe the fictional events in that particular episode - see the Series 1 episode summaries for an example, or any other television series artice. Real-life events that inspire the episode's events should be placed in a more appropriate section. --  Alex TW 23:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * OK I was a trifle glib perhaps, but actually it's not far away from being in tune with the summaries from series 1. The summaries for series 1 are a mix of fact and fantasy. That's what this series is "historical Romance". Virtually this whole episode was about Robert Traill, the Famine, and the Queen meeting him (I only missed out her Lobbying for the victims), and that's what I put in. So are you going to put it back in or not? Regards. --BeckenhamBear (talk) 12:12, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I am not going to restore it, for the reasons mentioned. As I said, I removed it because it is not an episode summary. It's a list. A summary does not include "This, that, and this happened", it needs to go into detail about the events that actually transpired in the episode itself. Much like Series 1. --  Alex TW 12:59, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a list, it was in fact "The programme deals with the impact on Victoria of the Irish Famine, her correspondence and meeting with the Reverend Robert Traill, the Rector of Schull in Ireland.". I thought at the to me it was adequate, however in the light of what you have said I'll change it, and frill it up to "The queen is increasingly concerned about the suffering in Ireland due to famine and summons the Reverend Robert Traill, the Rector of Schull to the palace give his witness. She lobbies privately for action to be taken by parliament." Does that now meet with your approval for inclusion? --BeckenhamBear (talk) 13:35, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This is irrelevant now; a full summary has been added for the episode, along with the other episodes of the series. --  Alex TW 01:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

You do remember what BRD means, right?
Your reverting doesn't help the situation, it only exacerbates a situation that better warrants discussion. BRD is on point. If you disagree, use discussion. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I thought I'd also add that your wikistalking nonsense hasn't gone unnoticed. You are shedding the assumption of good faith every fucking time you follow me around and revert my edits. I think that would be a magnificent way to bet yourself blocked. If being a dick is your goal, please, by all means, continue. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 00:02, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * What crap are you spouting? The page is on my watchlist. I've been editing it for months. In fact, it was me who edited it first - be careful of that BOOMERANG! Off you go with your accusations, go have a Snickers. Byebye now. --  Alex TW 00:04, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

thank you
it was an accident when I removed the recurring cast. thank you for re-adding it. Hurricane Seth (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

question about references
I’m trying to add references for some of the cast of Fear the Walking Dead and I’m not able. I’m copying exactly how the other references are, just adding what needs to be added for the new ones, and it keep saying error. Hurricane Seth (talk) 07:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Copy the references code in your next message between   tags, and I'll see what I can do. --  Alex TW 07:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I honestly have no idea how to do that. I’m a noob when it comes to the more complicated stuff like that. Can you tell me what I’m doing wrong? Hurricane Seth (talk) 07:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but I can't tell you what you're doing wrong if I can't see what you're trying to add to the article for the reference. --  Alex TW 07:24, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * okay, I have the references and everything ready exactly how they’re supposed to be, but I can’t add them to the article. this is the reference that I’m trying to add to Troy, Jake, Jeremiah, and Lola. I’ve figured out how to show you it. I’ll just show the actual link itself without the https:// at the beginning

www.google.com/amp/comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/amp/2017/05/10/fear-the-walking-dead-season-3-photos/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hurricane Seth (talk • contribs) 07:32, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Should just be able to use http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2017/05/10/fear-the-walking-dead-season-3-photos/ - are you wanting the code to add to the article? --  Alex TW 07:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

November 2017
-- Aunva6talk - contribs 22:50, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't template the regulars, and explain to me what you're talking about. This supplied literally nothing at all. --  Alex TW 23:17, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * jeff was right. also, see User:DESiegel/Template_the_regulars -- Aunva6talk - contribs 05:11, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Jeff? Who's Jeff? If you mean Jack, then no, I will not be assuming any good faith with the editors involved in that discussion. I recommend that you mind your own business and go search for drama elsewhere. Also, learn how to add explanations to default templates; per that essay you linked me: Make the message appropriate. Thank you. Bye now. --  Alex TW 05:15, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Vikings season 5
Hi, regarding the titles of the first two episodes, in addition to Amazon, also iTunes sells the first episode as "The Fisher King" (here). On the contrary, History.ca (Canada being the original country in with the show airs) uses "The Departed, Part 1 and 2 as separate (here). I know there is a lot of confusion about this, but I wanted to give you the same sources I have so we can get our head around the problem. Which titles should we use? The original broadcaster in Canada? The one in the US? Or the titles given to the episodes for sale that most likely will end up in the DVD release?--TheVampire (talk) 01:52, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the late reply; the note works just as well. --  Alex TW 22:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem :) --TheVampire (talk) 00:03, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of LGBT category
FYI. Category:Gay-related television programs has been nominated for deletion. If the Pandora's box is opened, the inevitable effect will result in the deletion of similar Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender categories. Pyxis Solitary talk 11:03, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

ty
hey thanks, I have several people on this connection today and some of them are a little rowdy. Sorry about any problems that you might face from this IP over the next 48 hours. <3 keep up the great contribution — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.205.235.141 (talk) 03:31, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

The Grand Tour series articles
I thought I'd mention this here as you originally redirected The Grand Tour (series 1), which was created prematurely, in May. has since created series articles on 29 October, 4 December and again today, without attribution, at the wrong disambiguation and with various errors. I've left notes on his/her talk page but they've been blatantly ignored and no attempt to discuss on Talk:The Grand Tour (TV series) has been made. I did ask about this at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television and 's response was that the season articles shouldn't be created based on the discussion there. Some extra eyes on The Grand Tour (TV series) would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 19:16, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line
The moves killed the article about Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line. It is currently overwritten with a station article. Please split the history. 78.55.76.239 (talk) 03:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm moving them back to where they were, then you can discuss them all in a proper RM. --  Alex TW 03:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Year-old names: Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line, Template:Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line RDT. If one clicks these names there should be no redirect. 213.39.172.112 (talk) 04:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * They have been moved back to their lower-case forms per opposition. Continue with an RM. --  Alex TW 04:13, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * They had been moved back to their year-old names, upper case, per opposition. Anyone who wants to change year-old consensus should go to RM. 213.39.172.112 (talk) 04:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Moscow Metro stations and line mess
I undid your multi-RM proposal, since Anthony had already executed the technical move undo. But he messed it up and needs to sort it out, restoring the line article that got overwritten by a station article. OK? Dicklyon (talk) 04:12, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I restored the RM discussion. See the RMTR article's recent history. Further RMs were listed requesting that they be moved to uppercase format, which were faced with opposition, so they need a discussion. --  Alex TW 2:45 pm, Today (UTC+10.5)
 * But your RM is on a redirect page that redirects from what should be a line article to a startion article with a line title. We need to get that sorted before an RM can be looked at. Dicklyon (talk) 04:22, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah. My bad. Needs to be moved, then. Seems like this turned into a right big mess. --  Alex TW 04:22, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you and Anthony stepped in concurrently or something. But he clearly moved a station article to a line title.  I thought such moves were pretty automated; could the extra indenting at WP:RMTR have confused the logic? Dicklyon (talk) 04:31, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Just noticed the section above. Let's wait until AA fixes the mess, then someone can form a thoughful RM proposal (and I will be happy if someone else doesn't); but the choice between the year-old name and the name that 213.39.172.112 doesn't begin to get at our difference, so let's not do that; that is, I didn't oppose his technical moves, just corrected them after noticing. Dicklyon (talk) 04:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * All good. Just dealing with the mess that was given at RMTR. --  Alex TW 04:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

See User_talk:Anthony_Appleyard. Is it possible that I'm wrong, that he did the right thing and your later moves caused the trouble? I'm not sure I can trust any article titles I see in the diffs; maybe I'll study the move logs. Dicklyon (talk) 04:41, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Looks like you only moved the template. I haven't even looked there yet. And part of the problem is that the IP didn't list the right moves; maybe he came back and listed them again after Anthony's move didn't fix things, and you were working on his second go at it. Yes, I bet that's it. Still, we have to fix Anthony's mistake before anything else will make sense. Dicklyon (talk) 04:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

You're not an admin, are you? And Anthony appears to be off since his mis-move. So we need an admin to fix, to restore the line article. Maybe you should find one that's active at WP:RMTR and coordinate a fix, back to any known state? Dicklyon (talk) 04:55, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


 * User:Dicklyon - Anthony deleted the line article, when moving Aviamotornaya. 77.180.170.123 (talk) 04:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And I told him so.  But he's off right now. Dicklyon (talk) 05:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)