User talk:Alex 21/Archive 30

Television ratings graph - Average ratings format
Hi Alex. What is the reason you oppose having a background color in the cells with average ratings and also why do you prefer the italic font type instead of bold for the text? The truth is that i was very satisfied by the readability of the table after the changes i made, but now it looks weird again. - Radiphus  14:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * As I said, we don't use colours just for the sake of it, colours need to have actual meaning behind them when they're used. Same as when Template:Television season ratings used to use colours; it is a violation of WP:COLOR to use colour just as a way to display or convey information. (A textbook example of this that still exists can be seen at Parks and Recreation. It's not the only one, so many more still need to be updated to template format.)
 * In the same vein, bold text is a violation of MOS:BOLD. (So are the italics, so realistically, it ought to be displayed as just a regular unformatted number.) --  Alex TW 15:32, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I see no conflict with the style guidelines, but we don't have to argue about it. It's obvious that we both think that the average ratings should be highlighted somehow. Is the style i had proposed in January for the average column at Template talk:Television ratings graph considered as one of the "good suggestions"? I avoided it, because that style is used for headers. If we can't agree on any of these, i agree that displaying the average ratings as just a regular unformatted number would be better than italics. - Radiphus  16:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That form of formatting shouldn't be used either, as it's a violation of table layouts, but you do already know that. Regular unformatted number it is. The column could have a border to the left, but that is all that would be necessary. --  Alex TW 09:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think a border would make any difference as to the purpose of highlighting the column. The increased width of the column does the job already in visually separating the average ratings from the other numbers. The purpose of using a background color and/or bold text was to immediately attract the reader's attention to data that are not already repeated elsewhere in the article and to make reading the table easier and faster. As i said, i don't believe there is any conflict with WP:COLOR or MOS:BOLD, but i don't have time to change your mind on that. Let's keep it as is (no color, border, bold, italics) and i will also make sure to remove the bold text from other templates sometime soon for consistency. - Radiphus  09:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Doctor Who (series 4)
I still haven't quite finished with the summaries on the series 3 page, though once I am then I'll probably start with series 4 immediately after. TardisTybort (talk) 13:53, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No problems! I'm debating on copying the plots from the episode articles and trimming them down to 200 words anyways. It'll give me something to do, then the GA status for the article will be done. Cheers. --  Alex TW 14:20, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

/* Cast and characters */
I don't understand why my edit for Fear the Walking Dead was deemed "not constructive". Please let me know why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slone19 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The table is unnecessary, and should exist on a separate characters page, but one does not exist. Discuss on the article's if you disagree, and sign your posts with when you start a discussion. --  Alex TW 03:05, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Doctor Who (series 7)
I've recently been on the and it seems to have started to regard the Snowmen as the 6th episode of Series 7 (it shows this more explicitly, but I'm not sure if you'll be able to see this link) and therefore regards tBoSJ as episode 7, tRoA as episode 8 etc.. It used to regard tBoSJ as episode 1 of "Series 7 part 2" and so forth before there was one heading for series 7 rather than 2. However, I'm unsure about changing this in the article, so I wanted to know what your opinion was. Cheers! Ted Edwards  12:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Best to leave it as it is, I'd say. This is only an update far after the series has aired, and I think it's just for convenience on their part, as many reliable sources consider Series 7 to have 13 episodes. A sentence of prose could be added detailing this update in a Release section, perhaps. --  Alex TW 12:51, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Doctor Who (series 4)
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Template:Infobox Doctor Who character
I'm leaving a message here in hopes of a faster response. I realized that when Template:Infobox Doctor Who character is used it automatically makes the subheader Doctor Who character. The template accepts a parameter however this does not work due to the current code in the template.

Although the parameter says it still comes out Doctor Who (example in first infobox on right). I may be wrong but wouldn't this be incorrect for any characters that appear in spin-off's? (Examples: Rhys Williams (Torchwood), Clyde Langer, etc.) Although those characters exist in the Doctor Who Universe they never appeared in Doctor Who itself. I created a sandbox for the template and changed the code

from: to:.

The above code change appeared to fix the issues (example in second infobox on right).

Anyways, realizing I got a little long-winded above, should the infobox be changed to accommodate the issues raised above? The Doctor Who (talk) 07:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm very on and off Wikipedia at the moment (as can be seen by my contributions), so I promise I'll take a look at it when I can. --  Alex TW 03:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Take your time, there's no rush. The Doctor Who  (talk) 04:21, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Back to this. Great suggestion! I've updated the template, with a minor tweak to your code. It now uses |subheader   =. This is so that if series isn't defined, it automatically sets to Doctor Who. Just make sure that when using series, it's properly linked and italicized, just like your second example. Cheers. --  Alex TW 02:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll update any characters that don't have the series defined as I notice them. The Doctor Who  (talk) 04:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No problems! While you do that, I might help out and go through and clear out the ones that explicitly use Doctor Who, so that it automatically sets to Doctor Who (as the parameter is needed just for those of multiple series or a non-Doctor Who series). --  Alex TW 04:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Quick question before I get too far into this: At which point do we want to include multiple series in the parameter? Do we only want to include it if it was a main/starring role in both series, if it was main role in one series and recurring role in the other, or include one-off guest appearances as well? The Doctor Who  (talk) 04:09, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd say the second one, where the character is at least a main role in one and recurring in the other. Definitely if main for both. Guest appearances don't really matter that much in the grand scope of things. --  Alex TW 04:13, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks for the advice. The Doctor Who  (talk) 04:24, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, as of now I've taken care of all main post-2005 companions (that I can think of off the top of my head), all SJA characters, and all TW characters. I intend on working on secondary and minor characters later when I have more time. The Doctor Who  (talk) 05:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

List of Doctor Who cast members
I've been looking at this article, and I was wondering if you knew what defined a character as starring or recurring/guest for the classic series, considering the opening titles did not list any actors? Ted Edwards  21:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , I think the universally accepted rule for what defines a recurring character is that they should have made at least four appearances in a single season. Any amount lower than that makes them a guest character. -- Kailash29792 (talk)  04:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It varies depending upon the season and the series; four episodes out of the upcoming Series 11's 10 episodes is far different to four episodes in Season 1's 42 episodes. Best to rely upon reliable sources that state what they are. --  Alex TW 13:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * So what about starring characters? What defines those in this article? Ted  Edwards  20:09, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Doctors and Companions mostly, I would assume. I'd suggest to a look at the individual season articles and see what's listed there. --  Alex TW 02:37, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Lack of cohesion between different shows pages?
Hey! Sorry to bother you with something like that, but since you're an experienced user with the TV series pages, I'd like your help with my issue, please. So, I added an episode table on Grand Hotel (U.S. TV series) with the info about the pilot episode and the second episode, as it was revealed by a main actor of the show via Instagram. BoogerD reversed my edits saying that we generally don't create an episode section until we have a premiere date and that Instagram is not a reliable source for that. Here is my question: how so? On American Horror Story: Apocalypse, we created the episode section as soon as we got the confirmation that Paulson was directing an episode (and if I recall, we did something similar for Cult?). We also keep using Twitter and Instagram sources on the page. Yes, I know we replace them with media sources as soon as we can; but if we can't, we still use them if they come directly by the actors (which is the case here) and no other choice. I thought it could be - maybe - something only allowed for "old shows", but on the A Million Little Things page, there is a table and a title via the Instagram of one of the actresses. I'm getting really lost now... The shows pages do not seem to work the same at all... I just don't understand why on AHS or AMLT it would be okay to use social media sources, but not on Grand Hotel :S So, if you could help me, please, that would be really cool of you. Thanks! Lady Junky (talk) 05:15, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, glad to help. (No idea about Cult, I'm only following Apocalypse for my partner since she watches AHS.) Your edit to the page is completely acceptable. As I stated in my edit summary, there is no rule on adding a table only where there's a premiere date; the common practice is to add it once there are two cells of information available (e.g. title/date, director/title, writer/date, etc). The Instagram account is also verified, and thus is an acceptable source. The editor does not seem to be aware of this, and thus they should now know. --  Alex TW 05:22, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Really. I was really getting lost now ^^' Lady Junky (talk) 05:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * All good. I've made a few tweaks on the concerns of the other editor, such as the first episode not being explicitly titled "Pilot", and a production code of 102 not explicitly meaning the second episode, but it should be all good now. --  Alex TW 05:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I can get the issue with the production code. But, if you look at the pics released by ABC once the series was picked up, they called the first episode "Pilot" (here, just check the episodic pics). It should be enough, no? Lady Junky (talk) 05:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm checking the episodic pictures, but I can't see where "Pilot" is listed, can you point me to where? And it needs to specifically be titled "Pilot", not just called "the pilot". --  Alex TW 05:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I see it saying "Pilot", in the first picture of the "episodic" section if you click on the picture it says GRAND HOTEL – “Pilot” – Eva Longoria executive produces this bold... and so on as the caption of the photo. The Doctor Who  (talk) 06:12, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I see it now. It can be reimplemented, just with a note on where to see it on the page. --  Alex TW 11:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Reporting Joeymiskulin
Hey Alex,

I saw that you have been attempting to revert 's numerous unexplained edits wherein he seems to be removing content for no reason. I feel as though we have exhausted attempts to speak with him and that he has every intention of carrying on an edit war. Any chance you might report him? I'd do it myself but I'm not particularly skilled in that area of Wikipedia. – BoogerD (talk) 06:11, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Already reported to WP:AIV. Unfortunate when we get editors like these. --  Alex TW 06:13, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for being so swift. I mean, I feel like for me the main agitation is that it takes away time I could be spending doing something more valuable for the site. There's always a hundred different things I want to get accomplished on here each day but somehow "shenanigans" like these occupy so much time. I'm sure its a huge pet peeve for you as well. – BoogerD (talk) 06:16, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a heads up. The editor left a message on my talk page here: User talk:BoogerD. Their message was this:
 * Hi. Sorry I appear to be engaged in an edit war, vandalizing articles about TV shows, which is very bad behaviour and I'm not going to revert them no more, so don't block me. Joeymiskulin (talk) 06:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thought you should see that. – BoogerD (talk) 06:20, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Llanfairpwllgwyngyll: thanks for the repair
A note of appreciation for repairing the unsolicited rename of "Llanfairpwllgwyngyll" by Turkish20302 (and they had even put a trailing '.' in the name). This user seems new. But he/she has done several other renames. I wonder if they, too, need attention. And does this user need to be guided, educated, mentored, etc.? Feline Hymnic (talk) 08:34, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No probs, I'm just a frequent contributor to RMTR. If there's any others, best to list it there. Cheers. --  Alex TW 11:16, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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Reverted edit on List of The Next Step episodes
You reverted my edit here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Next_Step_episodes&diff=855952838&oldid=855951845, citing that it was unsourced. The other series in the article are also unsourced. What source would be suitable to verify a TV show's listings?

You also cite "per WP:TV and MOS:TV, we only list airings in the series' origin country, not every other country first". I have read both WP:TV and MOS:TV and can't find any reference that says that listed airings must be in the series' origin country. The series that was removed (series 6) was aired first on the CBBC channel and not in Canada as was the case for the other series of the show. Please could you clarify which policy requires TV show airings to only be in the show's origin country, rather than the country that the episodes were first broadcast in. Tom29739 [ talk ] 20:06, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The other seasons have aired in the series' origin country, Canada, and therefore act as WP:PRIMARY sources for themselves.
 * Per MOS:TV, when listing down broadcast details, can include: the original network or streaming service of release in the country of production (i.e. the British network for a British series such as Doctor Who, or the American and British networks for a co-production such as Sherlock); a change in network throughout the run, such as with Futurama; start and end dates; and discussion of technical data such as picture and audio format, when it is accompanied by critical commentary. This does not include details about other countries and networks.
 * Furthermore, As Wikipedia is not a television guide, do not include an indiscriminate list of every network that a series appeared on in countries outside the country of production. It does go on to state that Editors are encouraged instead to add noteworthy foreign broadcasts, if reliably sourced; for example, special cases such as an American series airing its finale first in France. As such, the episode table should only be added in sync with the series' broadcast in its origin country, Canada, and any early release on the season can be noted through prose in the parent article for the series.
 * Hope that clears things up. --  Alex TW 02:50, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Removing maintenance templates (Preacher episode summary)
Actually, I thought I did resolve the problem by shortening the entries in question. It just seems to me, that you think it's not enough. Maybe you should give it a shot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NobbyR (talk • contribs) 06:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * MOS:TVPLOT gives a limit of 200 words, and the summaries tagged are over that length, closer to 250. Removing a few words doesn't make the tag removals valid. If you're not sure how long a summary is, you can easily use this script, which tells you the length of each plot. And when posting on talk pages, please sign your posts with . Thank you. --  Alex TW 08:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems to me that in this case a plot with multiple story lines is hard to condense into 200 words without neglecting important aspects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NobbyR (talk • contribs)
 * There are "complicated" series that have episodes that are an hour long, Game of Thrones. An hour and a half, Sherlock. They manage to keep to 200 words. Preacher isn't that complicated, I've watched it too. And sign with just four tildes. --  Alex TW 11:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Moving "The Witcher (TV series)" to "Draft:The Witcher (TV series)"
Hey there. I saw that you moved the page to draft status. I don't really see a reason for that. While the page is far from perfect, I would say it is just fine as a stub. I will move it back unless you can point out a problem with it that I am missing. All the best, Abyss Taucher (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you'd read the edit summary... Television series don't exist as articles until production has actually begun (i.e. filming). Until then, they exist in the draftspace. And since the original page now exists as a redirect, you are unable to move it back. --  Alex TW 00:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * >"Television series don't exist as articles until production has actually begun (i.e. filming)."
 * Could you provide a source for that claim? Is that a rule? The article about the US Witcher series exists on 6 other language versions of Wikipedia, including all the largest ones such as the German, French, Russian and Chinese Wikias. There's clearly enough info about the show already to have an article about it and the topic is clearly popular, so I see no reason to remove it except for some personal misinterpretation of the rules unless I am missing some important part of the equation.
 * P.S. You stated in your edit summary removing the latest version of the article that I created: "Creating articles via copying is against Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia". Just an FYI that version wasn't a copy of the previous one. I created the article from the scratch because I didn't know you removed the previous version just a day before and therefore didn't know another version of that article existed. I just noticed there was no article on the TV series and decided to create one. Cheers. Openlydialectic (talk) 03:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Why would you reply here when there's a discussion on the article's talk page? I'll move your reply there, and reply there myself. --  Alex TW 11:54, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018
If you treat your fellow regular editors as newcomers you will have a bad experience here at Wikipedia, something you ought to know already. As a reminder, how do you feel about being treated as a greenhorn? In other words, do not slap insulting newbie messages onto my user talk again. Very sceptically, CapnZapp (talk) 12:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've been here for long enough, my experience is just fine, thanks. Don't act like a newbie, and I won't have to. It truly is that simple. --  Alex TW 12:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Point of curiosity
How did Power Rangers Beast Morphers escape the “unfilmed shows must stay in Draftspace until filming” rule for the months before the Rangers flew out to New Zealand? Was it that the Sentai footage already existed? Did people just…forget?--Sarcathmo17 (talk) 02:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Just because there is a rule does not mean that people will always follow it, and just because some people manage to get away with not following a rule does not mean that everybody should be allowed to do so as well. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:14, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

American Horror Story redirects
I've recently being tidying up the redirects to the first five American Horror Story seasons, and other than finding 77 redirects that needlessly ended with "(American Horror Story)" (see here) that I'm taking to RfD, I found a few redirects that were too ambigious, such as Fiona (American Horror Story), which links to the Murder House article, but could be confused with the Coven character Fiona Goode. So I'm wondering how you would deal with such redirects? Thank you Ted  Edwards  16:24, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

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Camping
Hey Alex, as a Doctor Who fan have you heard of Camping (U.S. TV series)? It has David Tennant in a lead role and it starts next month on HBO. It may be worth checking out. Esuka323 (talk) 21:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I hadn't heard of it before today, and I'd love to... However, I'm already behind on the latest season of about twenty other shows. (And that's not an exaggeration!) --  Alex TW 21:57, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Move request
I am actually no longer proposing the preexisting move request on Triangle (2009 British film) because my previous reasoning overlooked WP:FILMLEDE as I was mistaken in my interpretation of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC since once you apply a parenthesis it ceases to be a primary outright. The issue is that it's a British-Australian film incorrectly labelled a "British film"....I have actually proposed an Amendment to the move discussion. I would like to know the proper procedure in dealing with that, if the move request can be changed or how else we go about dealing with that. DA1 (talk) 05:04, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Talkback
Hhkohh (talk) 08:54, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Please read the COI guidelines and note it has absolutely no relevance here, it doesn't relate to what you think it does. Am I directly related to the Counter-Revolutionary Violence? No? Nice try though. --  Alex TW 15:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

.......I think the issue is that you have a conflict of edits rather than interest. You answered the IP, made a TR of a page, always a bit of a risk with IP editors, the editor Hhkokh reverted this using a technical restore. You edited out his technical restore. It's at that point that there's a conflict of edits. Now we have a pointless RM starting from the wrong end as a result. This is a waste of all editors' time. If someone uses technical restore to revert a technical move let it go back to stable title. Simple. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:46, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So, the editor had no idea what guideline they were even talking about, and tried to look important. But failed. Gotcha. --  Alex TW 10:25, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Please be careful. Visible personal animus is coming into your posts. I suggest you close any RM where you have prevented any editor using a technical revert. And also moderate comments. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:53, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Did s/he use the correct guideline, or did they use it to further their personal beliefs against me? The latter. It's not my fault if they made this post for their own purposes. No further comment is required here. Cheers. --  Alex TW 11:00, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Article
just move the text to the regular page. i can;t do it but i'm sure you can and probably isn't so hard to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.119.17 (talk) 07:15, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not an actual article. If you feel the need to create it, do so at Draft:List of stores at Kings Plaza, the correct place to work on incomplete articles. You have now combined article and talk page content into a mess. --  Alex TW 07:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

The Witcher (TV series)
Hi,

I see you previously moved this article to a draft version but it has since been made back into an article, making two articles with the same title but differing content. I have tried to delete and move it back since production still hasn't begun but the creator is resisting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt14451 (talk • contribs)
 * Nominated it for deletion. --  Alex TW 08:44, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I tried to propose deletion and redirect but both got removed by creator of page.

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AfD
Hi, when is it possible to close an AfD? It's been 7 days since The Witcher (TV series) and List of Batman storylines started. Matt14451 (talk) 08:53, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * An admin will do it when they get around to it. Be patient. --  Alex TW 11:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Doctor Who
I see you're an avid Doctor Who fan. My cousin used to be in it awhile ago. The Optimistic One (talk) 16:47, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm Irish, she's Scottish, I'm ginger, she's ginger, I'm tall, she's tall, I'm a Clarke, she's a Gillan. The Optimistic One (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Blackwood railway station
You moved this article to Blackwood railway station (Australia) this morning, even though (Australia) is not used as disambiguation on any Australian railway station. I now can't move it to Blackwood railway station, Adelaide, where it should be (and used to be, before someone helpfully un-disambiguated it in the first place), because a bot corrected the double redirect that was created. Would you be able to please move it back to Blackwood railway station, Adelaide? The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 04:47, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ --  Alex TW 04:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 05:40, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Special guest stars
Why don't we seperate special guest stars on AHS Apocalypse? They are seperated in other AHS articles. King10 (talk) 13:21, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * They shouldn't be. I'll merge them. Thanks for the heads up. All special guest stars are still guest stars. --  Alex TW 13:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If this is the case Alex, should the system on List of American Horror Story cast members be changed, where at the moment special guest stars are highlighted blue with the CGuest template and "guest stars" are highlighted pink with CRecurring, to a system that the one-off guest stars are highlighted with Cguest and the recurring actors are highlighted with Crecurring (which tbh sounds a lot more sensible and actually in accordance with the templates)? Ted  Edwards  16:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, Ted. I think the article specific to cast members and characters should be fine, as they have the room to be able to go into more specific detail. Although, I would agree with your proposal as well; it makes sense. It's the season articles themselves that should just list the default Main/Recurring/Guest. --  Alex TW 01:03, 28 September 2018 (UTC)