User talk:Alex 21/Archive 45

Carnival Row
Greetings. You deleted a small thing I had edited. I'm new here, much to learn, would be glad to understand why. My guess is that IMDb is not really 'critical review' - it's just a user poll. Is that close? Lorenzoil (talk) 05:55, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Correct, per WP:CITINGIMDB and WP:USERG. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 05:58, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Alex 21. Very helpful.  I've glanced at those references and will read them more closely. Lorenzoil (talk) 06:02, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Table colours
Alex, the table colours script doesn't seem able to handle the colour #9C28EC, if that colour is used in any of the episode table templates in an article, the script does nothing. If I just change the template colour to another non-compliant one, the script works fine. - X201 (talk) 09:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Happy to help! --  Alex_ 21 TALK 23:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Gallifrey (Audio Drama Series)
Alex, are you aware the Gallifrey section of the Big Finish Spin-offs is now defunct? The linked source page has been deleted. I am unable to find any of the original material spanning the entire range. Are you able to be of assistance? R2Mar (talk) 05:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @R2Mar I was not aware of that at all, but I've requested the article's contents be moved to my userspace so that I can move the tables back to the Big Finish spinoffs page. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 06:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @R2Mar ✅ -- Alex_ 21 TALK 08:05, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Question
What's wrong with adding the production codes for this article? You said that they were unnecessary, but considering they're used on various other episode list articles, I don't really understand. And they aren't really causing any problems. - Xery1234 (talk) 15:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The general consensus is that production codes are redundant when the episodes are released in the same order that they are produced in, and thus it only serves to represent duplicate information. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 04:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well that's understandable Xery1234 (talk) 13:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes
I know you already updated the formatting in 2019, but I want you to update again due to episode table updates. Here is a concept I came up with for the update:

BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC) BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I can do that, I have an offsite script that updates the parameters automatically, I'll look into it when I can. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 04:38, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @BaldiBasicsFan ✅ I've done most of the parameter usage updates, you may just want to go through for general cleanup for things like duplicate entries (especially wikilinked/non-wikilinked credits, viewers, etc), single-episode rows with multiple production codes, that sort of thing. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 23:17, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Did the clean-up for the first season so far, and may do other seasons when I have the time. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 00:53, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems to have created a problem; redirects pointing to anchors, such as, no longer point to the proper episode. -B RAINULATOR 9 (TALK) 17:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * There are two ways to fix this; 1) remove the letters from the redirects (e.g. updates to ), or 2) add anchor to each episode entry (e.g. 40). --  Alex_ 21 TALK 07:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

The Boys characters
You reverted my edit regarding the character of Robert Singer, stating that he is not a "main" character. The category listing in the article says nothing about main characters, just characters. More to the point, the Singer character has appeared prominently in more episodes than some of the characters currently on the list, and is at the heart of much of the upcoming season. Therefore I have re-reverted your revert, respectfully. Monkeyzpop (talk) 06:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * When a separate characters page exists, the only characters listed on the parent article are the main characters. This is a WP:TV standard practice. Recurring and guest characters are listed on a series' parent article only when a separate characters article does not exist. How often he has appeared is irrelevant; the character has never been credited in the starring cast, whereas all that are listed on the parent article have been. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 07:01, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * If you say so.Monkeyzpop (talk) 07:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Doctor Who (series 2)
Doctor Who (series 2) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Random Advice/Question
If you were to use the Series overview template for the series overview table at List of Super Friends episodes, how would you do it?... The current (non-template) version is a mess, but I figured I'd ask someone knowledgeable about the Series overview template and how it works before attempting to tackle it myself. Any idea or advice? Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:14, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Happy to help! Here's a standardized template version:


 * -- Alex_ 21 TALK 23:23, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Looking at the list a bit further, I think it needs a bit of a cleanup, especially with the headers, and moving the episode tables to their respective articles.
 * I know it's not common to have separate series form an LoE article, and for episode tables from series articles transcluded to an LoE article, but it's very similar to the two LoE articles at Lists of Power Rangers episodes, where each "season" is a series.
 * If we wanted to treat each as a separate series to an overall franchise, and stop referring to them as seasons, we could use the following format:


 * -- Alex_ 21 TALK 00:21, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, this version is more what I was thinking of – much better! The original version contains poor use of rowspan. Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * And, FWIW, I'd probably argue that The Power Rangers overview table adopt this same kind of formatting as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In the case of the Power Rangers table, I believe the separate entries are actually considered separate seasons of the one series; for some reason, they're just formatted using Infobox television rather than Infobox television season, over some sort of community conesnsus, I'm guessing. This would mean that the former table is more appropriate. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 03:05, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Anime recap special episodes
With all due respect Alex 21, I added a grey-out in a WP:BOLD to further distinguish from the reader that they're not real episodes (edited recap compilations only aired in Japan in a vast majority of cases), since most of the time in anime television series it's just used to give more time to the animation production staff. If you don't agree with the grey-out decision, there is the possibility we could simply separate them from the real episode tables in these articles under something along the lines like "Specials" or "Recap Specials" sections, along the same or similar vein as both of these? GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 02:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @GalaxyFighter55 Duly noted. In that case, the colour needs to be adjusted, as is triggering the template to list the articles under Category:Episode lists with invalid top colors. The closest colour needed to be WCAG AAA compliant is ; I would recommend changing the former colour to the latter. --  Alex_ 21 TALK 02:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Alex 21 Thanks for understanding. I just felt there was a need to further distinguish them for readers. I'm still currently considering doing what you suggested to single page articles without article episode lists and splitting off the recap specials on season pages. I'll be on it!--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 02:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Alex 21 Done. Here's an example.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 00:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Spidey and His Amazing Friends (2021 TV series)
Can you please make the episode list look similar to Star Wars: Young Jedi Adventures, where the shorts are listed first before the episodes, in this case real-world chronological info. After all, they came first and are even titled Meet Spidey and His Amazing Friends.

And if adding the NumParts format in the mix here is what I think the list would look like:

Season 1:

Season 2:

Please note that the director table is absent as every episode has the same director. Storyboard artists would also be in the opening credits and it has room to have its own column since the director table is gone. The first season doesn't have a storyboard column though, as every episode in that season had the same storyboard artist. If you want to combine columns, go ahead, though since the episodes have different writers and storyboard artists I would rather have them as their own columns as I said before, though I wouldn't do any split as you do you, since your a rollbacker. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 23:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @BaldiBasicsFan I can easily implement the parted accessiblity parameters, I'll do so over the weekend for you, no problems.
 * However, I would note that there's no standard for excluding a column solely due to the contents being the same between each episode. For example, note the following articles with colums of identical data:
 * Airdates at You (season 4) and The Umbrella Academy (season 1) (and every other binge-released series)
 * Writing credits between all seasons at List of Vikings episodes
 * Director credits at Obi-Wan Kenobi (TV series)
 * Writing and directing credits at Good Omens (TV series) and Les Misérables (British TV series)
 * Writing credits and airdates at Sense8
 * Directing credits and airdates at Midnight Mass (miniseries)
 * BOTH credits and airdates at Squid Game
 * However, given that I'm not a regular editor of the above article, I'll leave this particular issue to the discretion of its regular editors and to simply recommend taking note of the above examples. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 07:07, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

HouseBroken
There is a two-part episode for that show, that being the first season finale, but unfortunately the accessibility table keeps on getting revert by the page creator just because they’re separate. That is personal edit bias that annoys me so much, and having an excuse they’re always right and everyone else is wrong. You know that two-parts always have connections and as a result I want you to put accessibility on the page. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 01:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It has nothing to do with accessibility. They are two separate episodes that aired two different dates (not back-to-back episodes) just many many TV series such as Stargirl#Season 1 (2020) the last two episodes with separate entries for part 1 and part 2 on season 1, The Flash (season 9) which has two episodes with separate entries for part 1 and part 2 and also four episodes with separate entries for part 1, part 2, part 3, and part 4. — Young Forever (talk)   04:03, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly, examples like this are up to local consensus. There's the above examples from, where Part 1/Part 2/etc. are separate and these examples are all completely valid in their display of information, then there's examples where they're merged despite separate airdates, such as List of Legends of Tomorrow episodes, List of Star Trek: Discovery episodes, Star Trek: Picard, List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes, List of Power Rangers episodes (seasons 1–15), so there's no clear standard practice here. The "accessibility" parameters were not created for the merging of multi-part episodes, but rather to make multi-part episode entries comply with MOS:ACCESS (previous, they used to separate entries in a cell with in each cell, like this, but now they're hardcoded table rows). --  Alex_ 21 TALK 07:06, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Doctor Who series two
So I was lookign for an article to work on and I added a critical reception section to Doctor Who series two. I will look for further articles and I think it is fit for resubmittion to a good article OLI 04:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @OlifanofmrTennant That would be so greatly appreciated! I've recently started fulltime work, so I get a lot less downtime than normal to update articles with such detail. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 07:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

WT:TV
Proof? GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 02:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Of what? -- Alex_ 21 TALK 02:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Where is the source of said claim? Back it up with a consensus section.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 02:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Per WikiProject Television/FAQ, The Futon Critic is listed as a reliable source. It is also used in over 8,000 articles, and as a WP:TV editor of almost a decade, TFC has been used for airdates for that entire time. I have also posted your opinion on TFC at WT:TV. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 02:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems you've all agreed on a consensus regarding the situation on the show's production codes and the release dates sourced from TFC. We're all done now.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 01:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Chip 'n' Dale: Park Life
I want the episode list cleaned-up for the show for the accessibility tables to be in use. The separate a, b and c separating is outdated on episode lists nowadays. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 02:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Episode table + episode list
Hello, and how are you? For a recent draft of an article, I have been attempting to find out how to construct a table for episodes and format it correctly. I was looking for users on this site who had at least some expertise with and knowledge of every function to utilize when they were working on their articles. However, the real reason I am writing to you is to request that you at the very least provide me with a visual (video) instruction or screenshots showing me step-by-step how to set up a table with templates for episode creation, or you may edit it. I will provide you with a link to the draft I produced, and if you could structure the episode part in the same manner that you do, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Link: Draft:Small Town Potential Russell7890 (talk) 02:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Russell7890 You can view the template documentation and how to use them at Template:Episode table and Template:Episode list. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 01:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

"Proper indentation"
Your "proper indentation" edit made too many indentation levels, obscuring the fact that two people were in conversation. Please revert your change so I don't have to. Thanks. David Spector (talk) 10:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify policy: WP suggests that we never edit other people's Talk postings. David Spector (talk) 10:29, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Incorrect. Per WP:TPO, which is a behavioral guideline and not a policy, indentation is listed under "Examples of appropriately editing others' comments", then "Fixing format errors", which concernss issues "that render material difficult to read. In this case, restrict the edits to formatting changes only and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include: fixing indentation levels".
 * Glad I could provide clarification for you on that. --  Alex_ 21 TALK 10:40, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for fixing your confusing edit. David Spector (talk) 10:44, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, there you have it; my first edit was correct and not confusing at all. Cheers. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 01:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Doctor Who Christmas Special Air Date
Hello, sorry to disturb you. I know that there hasn't been any official announcements yet but do you really think the Christmas Special will air on an other date than Christmas Day ?

Have a nice day, Spectritus (talk) 13:54, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source that explicitly states so? -- Alex_ 21 TALK 13:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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Attack on Titan episode list
What’s your deal? You could argue that you going out of your way to undo them is such a minor thing to worry about in of itself, yet here you are removing them. And your additional claim on editing templates means absolutely nothing. The template source says it’s ok to have zeros in it, you have no solid grounding for your revert. There are much better things you can be doing than reverting such superficial edits.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

What I’m getting at here, you aren’t basing your reverts off anything solid like a WP or MOS, only that it's “unnecessary and extraneous padding”, which is a preposterous reason. Template:Start date which is only accessible by administrators allows it (and even exemplifies it) and the season pages are done in this way. I think you should just sit this one out and let me keep it in.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 19:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Are you actually trying to argue over extraneous zeroes? There are much better things you can be doing than forcing such superficial edits. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 20:56, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * So therefore, there should be no problem with it. Got it!--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 21:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Actually; you are right, this is silly. I’ll just remove them from season pages instead later for consistency. I mean no ill intent in my actions, I simply believed I was doing right.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Futurama - The Impossible Stream
Alex 21, the first 5 episodes of the new Futurama season have aired and no one made the articles, can you at least tell the story of "The Impossible Stream". PLEASE?! PowerRanger200 (talk) 23:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @PowerRanger200 I don't actually watch Futurama, I just edit the recent articles on it to keep them up to WP:TV standard given its popularity. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 08:01, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Giving Minus Reverting.
Giving Minus Reverting. 2601:240:4101:7350:AC39:F692:50F9:F539 (talk) 00:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Again in English? Use your words. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 01:03, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh, sure. Stop reverting and you can fix it.
 * Nobody's fixed them in at least four years. The onus is on those adding/restoring them - that's you, bud. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 01:27, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Me?
 * Yep. Or any other editor that feels the need to keep the summaries. You want them? Fix them. Else I'm removing content that's been tagged for years - tags are not an indefinite "let's just keep that tag and the material" sort of thing. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 01:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You've now also been reverted by another editor. I recommend taking the advice. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 02:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

“Rv nonsense”
I do not mean to be harsh, but in light of this two-word(?) edit message, I can only read the NPOV message you left on my talk page as sanctimonious in the extreme. I would guess that you either have some great emotional investment in a children’s cartoon (possible) or have just become addicted to some feeling of online point-scoring (very likely) but I regret to inform you that neither of these is enough to un-cancel Star Trek Prodigy, and that I am restoring the updated version of that page. John Ralston Galt (talk) 09:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @John Ralston Galt It massively violates WP:NPOV. You have provided no reason as to why you should be able to violate a fundamental Wikipedia policy. The series was indeed cancelled by Paramount+, but the second season is still continuing to be produced, this is very well-sourced. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 09:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

User:Alex 21/script-categoriessort
Hey there. Is there any way to have the script automatically mark its edits as minor? Either for everyone or as a custom setting. Thanks! InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:14, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @InfiniteNexus ✅ --  Alex_ 21 TALK 21:07, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Alex! InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:21, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Star Trek: Very Short Treks
Thanks for your work on this while I am busy off-wiki! - adamstom97 (talk) 02:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * No problems, welcome back! (I'm still very unsure on the position of VST within the canon of Star Trek, but I've done what I can.) -- Alex_ 21 TALK 03:57, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I've seen a couple sources explicitly call it non-canon that we should be able to use to keep it separate from the other TV shows. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Parts 3 & 4
I get that it's doing it the way it should be, but it's literally only 2 episodes, so the reader should already be able to already understand that Part 3 is TFC 1 and Part 4 is TFC 2, wouldn't you agree? If that's the case is there really a reason to divide single special episodes into 2 more separated sections? GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 00:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Are they not two distinctly separate parts, is it not exactly the same as the change I made to the series overview table? -- Alex_ 21 TALK 02:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The overview table has technical restrictions so you can't really get away such a thing on that, as it would imply both episodes are Part 3. But, the episode table is different. People can still understand that Parts 3 & 4 are Specials 1 & 2 on a single section header, respectively. I just saw the extra division of 2 single special episodes as no different than padding Start date with 0s, if you catch my drift.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 03:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Listing them as "Parts 3 & 4" would mean that both episodes are both categorized under both Part 3 and Part 4 simultaneously, when in fact the first special is only Part 3 and the second special is only Part 4; we don't assume what we think readers might understand. "Padding start dates with 0s" is entirely an editing scenario that results in no difference in visible display; this has a clear difference in visible display. It's no different to example like Doctor Who (series 7); we list the singular specials under their own header, when we could always just assume that the regular reader means an episode number of "–" means it's not a regular episode - but we don't assume that. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 11:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but unlike that example you just listed, these are single episodes, back-to-back, not one-off specials before or in the middle of the series. The point I was trying to get across using the 0 padding example was that it works in the same way where it adds another layer of bytes to get the exact same message across. Thinking people can’t understand Parts 3 & 4 are one after the other of single specials is preposterous. Parts 3 & Part 4 simultaneously, are you joking, who in the world would even think that? That doesn’t even make any sense.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 18:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I’ll let it slide, but your case for it is weak at best.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 18:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * "I’ll let it slide" Aren't you just the sweetest? -- Alex_ 21 TALK 21:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You provided some weak points when I gave you a clear understanding of my case on the part header matter. I gave you a simple explanation that this isn’t like the standard header dividers because it’s 2 single episodes back-to-back and simply decided to discontinue any further discussions regarding the matter because, while it’s not exactly a wrong format as it is now, it looks too cluttered for single individual episodes that are simply listed as Parts, and this is how you reply back? With a WP:RUDE remark assuming I’m asserting ownership? Don’t think you’re character immune here just because you’ve made major editing strides with a handful of TV templates, I want to keep my discussions with you civil, and there’s absolutely no negative undertones in my intentions. The entire point of talk pages is to come to mutual understanding through communication, is it not? Let’s start acting like it here.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 21:38, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Look, I get it. I may come off as pushy sometimes with my wording, I am not perfect. I have Asperger's Syndrome so even when I try my best to convey something it may not always come out that way. But at the same time, it feels like you are ignoring my very valid points here instead of trying to understand where I am getting at. There's no way you can't see where I was getting at with this. I could have simply reverted your edit, but then we'd be edit warring instead of making any real contribution progress.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 23:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Anyways, section talking done. I know what your next reply would have probably been: "But you're being a hypocrite because why do you think my counterpoints to your own case aren't valid here?" But don't worry; I see them, and I tried processing them through your eyes, but I just don't understand them. I don't understand how the reader would think that Parts 3 & 4 aren't just the two separated episodes below. But hey, maybe that's just me, and that's fair. Wikipedia isn't a cite to be dictated by a individual however they please, so if it has to be a simple format for whomever (which I personally believe, is nobody) might not understand that, then so be it. That's a fair case to be made in of itself.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 23:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Follow up to "Doctor Who series two"
So previously I expressed intrest in getting Doctor Who (series 2) relisted as a GA. I have met the last requirement and I would like to know your opinion before it is resubmitted, or if you want you can have the honour of doing it yourself. OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) Questions? 06:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @OlifanofmrTennant I've made some copyedit changes, but by all means, feel welcome to renominate the article. Thanks for your hard work! -- Alex_ 21 TALK 06:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Its been nominated OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) Questions? 17:23, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you like to work on getting series 13 to a GA, it would be a shame to lose the streak over flux. I'm currently working on getting it to GA OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) Questions? 01:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)